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[Laughter]

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[Laughter]

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even with the western winds

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don't need a telescope to see

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and this is for all the voices

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[Laughter]

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but it takes enough heart to bother

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unidentified aerial phenomena

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meaning is blurry as it gets attention

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filled up in my room with documents in

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gotta go the distance or you'll end up

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with torture

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positive in nature

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but harmful making me safer

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forget it started long ago

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many eyes on the sky

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but it takes enough heart

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phenomenon

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this is for all the voices

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these noises

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couldn't hear these noises

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you're muted

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i'm not muted you where you were

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how are you doing good how are you

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i'm good thank you yeah really good i'm

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we're here happy day evening happy day

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what a day

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so i hear that you have a very nice

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message from a one adam goldsack

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yes so we all know or maybe you don't

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but adam's been a big proponent for the

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nuap secrecy campaign in the last four

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years

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so

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will read that out now

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what can we say what can we even put

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into words that does that comes close to

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expressing the unbelievable magnitude of

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what we have all achieved

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how do we express such gratitude for

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those who have literally fought to

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change the world

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it was you them and us

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in ufo twitter who housed the uap

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revolution who contacted congress who

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emailed journalists who had the

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conversation who supported christopher

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mellon and luella zondo who went above

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and beyond to force the world to

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acknowledge the anomalous phenomena and

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its extreme significance

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what can we begin to say about such

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people

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to change the paradigm dared to fight a

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broken system and demand government

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transparency and accountability when an

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ignorant world pointed and laughed us

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mocked and trolled us called us crazy

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for knowing what they simply wouldn't

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accept you never gave up you stood up

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for what was right

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and now as president biden signs into

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law the ndaa bill uap accountability

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will finally become law after 74 long

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years congratulations the secret keepers

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are on the run for the darkest corner

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they can find

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patriotic heroes are coming forward in

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numbers and whilst this war is far from

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over the battle is very much won

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thank you team for everything you have

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done let's push onwards together as one

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united team and nuap secrecy once and

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for all

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that's beautiful

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now we have to bring everybody in at the

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same time to clap look at that everybody

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everybody's in wow look at that there it

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that was incredible

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yeah i was like

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my eyes are all juicy and gross now

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because it touches my heart

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much respect man that's awesome so

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yeah you know if you know me by now i'm

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very spontaneous so i wanted to surprise

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everybody and just throw you in here all

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at the same time it's just like there's

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john he's still looking at his computer

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hi john how are you

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can you hear us john

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no john's not there

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all right john

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yeah oh

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he's still there but

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uh we can't hear him so

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how how is everybody let's start with

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vinnie and go around the room

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i am great thank you i've been looking

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forward to this obviously since you

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first announced it um just counting down

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the days well you know it's a phenomenal

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day it's exactly four years to the day

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that the new york times article broke

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and that and that was a huge day i

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remember it vividly

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you know my daughter was born only a

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week or two beforehand so that whole

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month of 2017 december was is so

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important in my life and so yeah i'm

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just riding on a high right now it's

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it's been a long day it's 7 30 p.m here

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so i'm gonna try and ride through the

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whole eight hours so

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let's do this

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you think you're gonna make it

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yeah no fine you might need tea or isn't

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that what you guys drink there i got

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water i got back up don't worry don't

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worry okay

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um yeah priscilla how about you how are

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you doing i'm doing great look look

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great oh thank you i have no kids so

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that takes like

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lots of stress out of the face but um

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uh yeah i can't what you just read right

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now um you mentioned your child's being

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born my son was born in march of that

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and i was actually i just left alaska

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which was very hard for me and i

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remember sitting at this some house like

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with my son still nursing and seeing the

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news and that was like honestly like and

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i had to hold it to myself because i

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didn't have people like you then but i

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was just like that was like my one

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spark and all that like having to move

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with the baby alone and all that stuff

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so i remember that so hearing what you

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my face is going to hurt from smiling

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again today like it was the other day so

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linda it's awesome for you to join us um

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so helpful to me along the way

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and you've been here a lot longer than

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well maybe all of us maybe even longer

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than the spaghetti

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and you know we have a lot to thank you

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know uh you for

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so you know how are you how do you feel

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i'm doing well

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um this started for me in the

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1960s

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uh when it profoundly affected my whole

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family and even in the 60s and the 70s i

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was writing letters to the government

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to different people i wrote an article

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for my newspaper when i was in junior

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high school about

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you know nasa funding and what it could

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end up doing for the world you know and

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medical

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innovations and things like that

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um so i've been involved in this a long

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time and i was

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thrilled when this started being taken

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more seriously

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something that is

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high time

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that

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it is acknowledged and acknowledged as

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truth

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yeah well i gotta say like um whenever

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i'm feeling uh like tired or useless or

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whatever

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um

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you know all i have to do is think of

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people like yourself for half a second

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just uh because that's a real splash of

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cold water in my face and say

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get with it dude you've barely been here

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so

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are you feeling brother great to see you

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great thank you i'm great to be here man

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i appreciate it and this is an important

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day and i do remember exactly where i

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was four years ago on this morning when

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i heard that news it came across the tv

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i was i was getting my stepson ready to

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get on the bus and it came and i stopped

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in my tracks and i listened and it was

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the front page of the new york times and

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the government admitted that they had a

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ufo program and i looked at the boy who

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was 12 at the time and i said remember

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this day boy this is important he said

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why i said because this is the first

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time in over 40 years the government's

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admitting that and he's basically threw

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his backpack on and ran to the bus like

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it was nothing and then i expected um a

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tidal wave of phone calls because in my

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world in my social circles in my office

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i mean i'm the ufo guy i'm that guy you

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know and not everybody is and i expected

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everybody to start calling and it was

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kind of anticlimactic nobody did so it

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wasn't a tidal wave of interest it's

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more like a rising tide and there's a

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lot more of us in it now and this is a

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great time it's a great time for

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disclosure we're moving in the right

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direction and activism is important

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folks without it we're not going to gain

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any grounds this is an important

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movement

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so yeah who you have to call right who

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you have to write and might i say we

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should possibly start incorporating a

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little pressure on the press because

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um the news that broke a couple of days

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ago was great we're moving in the right

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direction it passed through the senate

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but i looked at the news stories real

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quick just a quick glance through the

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google you know at the main headline at

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the main news sources and there wasn't a

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lot of mention of it there was barely

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none

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um a lot of mention about other things

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in the bill but very little so this is

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still kind of a standoffish topic so we

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need to start to pressure the press if i

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may

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yes

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totally here totally hear that

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um benji my man what's up guys i am so

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i'm dude i'm i'm so honored to be here

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thanks for the invite man this is

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awesome

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yeah dude it's my pleasure i mean you've

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been just like uh spaghetti i mean you

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guys been

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watching my show

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you know since i can remember you know

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and that's huge that's real important to

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me um

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because

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i don't know you guys are you guys are

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down

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you know you guys are going for the

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cause i just wanted to say it's awesome

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to actually see you guys look face to

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face you know i interact with everybody

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on twitter all the time but at linda

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it's good to see you joey same everybody

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else like i know we talk daily but it's

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just cool to see your faces so

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yeah this is awesome sean thanks for

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doing this man yeah

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it's i mean honestly none of us would

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even have a show or a or a mouthpiece or

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a you know a platform if it wasn't for

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the people being supportive uh watching

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uh retweeting telling us you know

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uh how much you enjoy it appreciate it

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like without that it's really hard i

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mean

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that that really is the strength

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sometimes and sometimes just a little

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bit of strength that you need to get

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over whatever hump it is you're dealing

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with at the time so i mean that's huge

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josh artemis what's up i've also known

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you too for a long time now as well um

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it's awesome that you're here that you

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could make it um we're starting to

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develop bonds all over the place it

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seems like so how are you guys feeling

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great yeah trying to take it away

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i mean yeah i'm doing great um busy

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getting ready for the holidays too

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among all of this

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um

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[Music]

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stuff yeah

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like this whole thing but i can't

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believe

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you know it's already been four years

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um seems like

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i don't know just like i don't know it

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just doesn't feel that long ago already

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yeah and so much has happened it's weird

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i mean i can remember seeing that

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article come out i was in the uk at the

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time and it didn't really get the um

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the coverage but it deserved to really

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from like the uk side of things but i

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can remember my thoughts and i was just

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like shit's about to get real that's

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hold on hold on [\h__\h]

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[\h__\h] wasn't real before it wasn't real

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that was plastic before now it's uh it's

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real that's weird

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that is good

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it's not good for the toilets okay sorry

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about that

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yeah i was just saying and um

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like the journey since the articles come

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out and

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how far the topics come and how much the

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community's grown and

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you know i do know sometimes you know

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there's talks there's toxic stuff on

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twitter especially but but in the main i

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think

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it's been like a positive journey since

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like the articles come out so yeah

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keep going the way we're going and i

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think it's important to remember like

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we're not done either like this is a

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huge historic step right like one has

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ever been done but it's more of uh a

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game changer and an another activation

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piece you know like a big one

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so let me bring in mr ramirez how are

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you i'm doing great i was having

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computer problems

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um

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my keyboard start typing on its own so i

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don't know

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logger going on or what but um

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well

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random gibberish

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john i mean you've

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you've been one of those you know i

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don't

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you've been one of those like saints

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that the ufology waits for to come along

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and to be transparent and honest with

364
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how things work to help with boys to

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help with research

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um you know to

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basically move this topic forward like

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it's people like you that that really

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help the situation

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you know and i know you guys get beat up

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all the time you know

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for your beliefs or whatever you know

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conclusion you've come to about

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everything

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even while saying it's yours

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you know and

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that's how you put the pieces together

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for yourself uh based on what you know

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and what you've learned um

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so i really thank you for that because

381
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it can't be easy to get beat up like

382
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that um but you're a strong caa guy so

383
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you're trained for it but

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how are you feeling well

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if anything i'm

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have more information than i do to come

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forward

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um but for whatever reason and perhaps

389
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because of the fact that there's

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a great disbelief as to one's

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authenticity

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they don't want to get beat up and so i

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don't mind getting beat up because i

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know i stand on what i know

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and i stand on the truth that i know i

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don't make anything up

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i try to back up everything i say as

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much as possible with open source

399
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and i season it with the information i

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received to the extent that cia allows

401
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me to say it

402
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what i'm hoping for is that with this

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legislation that we have

404
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turning into a u.s law that now people

405
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like me will have a foundation to stand

406
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on so we can come forward

407
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um i'm offering myself up as a witness

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to the

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whatever congressional committee wants

410
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to talk to me i'd be happy to talk to

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them um

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so i hope that others will also line up

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behind me and with me

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and come forward and i think

415
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you might see a lot of that happening in

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the next few years

417
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so that's that's my hope that you know

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there's more information

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out there

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there's more information known by the

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folks who are already out there the

422
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people you know like uh lou elizondo

423
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that he would have the foundation now to

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stand up and say things that he couldn't

425
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have said before because when congress

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asks us questions we are obligated to

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answer them with the truth

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you know when you

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become a witness before a congressional

430
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testimony you swear

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like you do in a court of law that you

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will say the truth nothing but the truth

433
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and so there's no lying in front of

434
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congress um so i hope that would be the

435
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um outcome a really strong positive

436
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outcome for even more people to come

437
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forward with information

438
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yeah

439
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linda actually that makes me think of

440
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previous um you know attempts to have

441
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congressional hearings uh what do you

442
00:19:05,510 --> 00:19:03,200
recall from those times and and what did

443
00:19:07,669 --> 00:19:05,520
it seem like from the public perspective

444
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does it seem like there is we were even

445
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close to that or no

446
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i don't think so

447
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i think it was talk um

448
00:19:18,870 --> 00:19:16,880
you know there's been attempts of

449
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different people

450
00:19:26,070 --> 00:19:23,440
in ufology to step up and have their own

451
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panels to encourage congressional

452
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hearings

453
00:19:32,310 --> 00:19:29,919
but i think that's as far as it went

454
00:19:34,470 --> 00:19:32,320
we really need to have something like

455
00:19:38,549 --> 00:19:34,480
the watergate hearings

456
00:19:41,190 --> 00:19:38,559
for this to make a big enough splash

457
00:19:42,789 --> 00:19:41,200
you know the contra hearings that made a

458
00:19:45,830 --> 00:19:42,799
big splash

459
00:19:46,710 --> 00:19:45,840
um but we need to do something to bring

460
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out

461
00:19:51,350 --> 00:19:50,000
what has really been going on in the

462
00:19:54,310 --> 00:19:51,360
truth

463
00:19:55,669 --> 00:19:54,320
the deception the things that they don't

464
00:19:57,830 --> 00:19:55,679
want to come out

465
00:19:58,710 --> 00:19:57,840
um that's important

466
00:20:01,350 --> 00:19:58,720
yeah

467
00:20:02,870 --> 00:20:01,360
oh what about you joey have you ever

468
00:20:05,830 --> 00:20:02,880
remembered a time where things were like

469
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i remember a time where they did the

470
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stephen greer did the disclosure hearing

471
00:20:17,190 --> 00:20:14,400
there was a mock hearing you had retired

472
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congressional folks there doing a mock

473
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sort of a

474
00:20:22,870 --> 00:20:20,559
you know for the press corps but we need

475
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the real deal we really need the real

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deal like linda said a watergate type

477
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hearing i don't know watergate was a

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major crime by a major political figure

479
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i don't know what it would take for us

480
00:20:36,710 --> 00:20:34,559
to get this out there um i'm grateful

481
00:20:39,350 --> 00:20:36,720
for folks like robert salas who did just

482
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at a press conference there um

483
00:20:44,710 --> 00:20:42,799
you know it needs to be more

484
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there needs to be more emphasis in the

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public and the mainstream we

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as large as we are and as active as we

487
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are we're still sort of a subculture

488
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it's grown but it's not a mainstream

489
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topic most people

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have other things going on as they

491
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should you know life is life and it gets

492
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in the way and not everybody is is you

493
00:21:05,830 --> 00:21:04,559
know as committed as perhaps we in the

494
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community are

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so

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like linda said i don't know what it

497
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would take

498
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um just more

499
00:21:16,470 --> 00:21:15,200
mainstream acceptance of this as a

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legitimate

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00:21:19,830 --> 00:21:17,520
issue

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00:21:21,669 --> 00:21:19,840
um would probably take us

503
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further and get us closer to those

504
00:21:24,470 --> 00:21:23,760
congressional hearings

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00:21:26,470 --> 00:21:24,480
yeah

506
00:21:28,310 --> 00:21:26,480
can i just jump in there and say that i

507
00:21:30,950 --> 00:21:28,320
got a little bit excited back in about

508
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may early june when the media started

509
00:21:33,909 --> 00:21:32,720
picking up on the

510
00:21:36,149 --> 00:21:33,919
you know we were getting closer to the

511
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ua ptf preliminary assessment you know

512
00:21:40,950 --> 00:21:38,559
we were seeing five to ten articles

513
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across mainstream media daily and i got

514
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really excited about that because it was

515
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good to see it being taken seriously by

516
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them

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even though many people at the time were

518
00:21:49,669 --> 00:21:47,760
saying well you don't listen to

519
00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:49,679
mainstream media you know but this is

520
00:21:52,630 --> 00:21:51,120
what we've been crying out for for so

521
00:21:54,310 --> 00:21:52,640
long and then when it happens we say we

522
00:21:56,070 --> 00:21:54,320
don't want it like there's a bit of

523
00:21:58,390 --> 00:21:56,080
confusion there but then obviously it

524
00:22:01,350 --> 00:21:58,400
dipped down but i'm hoping that you know

525
00:22:03,750 --> 00:22:01,360
once or you know early 2022 if we go

526
00:22:05,750 --> 00:22:03,760
into it with this ndaa past that we see

527
00:22:07,590 --> 00:22:05,760
them pick back up again but then we just

528
00:22:08,310 --> 00:22:07,600
want them to hold on to it and just you

529
00:22:10,789 --> 00:22:08,320
know

530
00:22:13,669 --> 00:22:10,799
keep rolling with it so

531
00:22:16,950 --> 00:22:13,679
well how about how about uh when

532
00:22:19,350 --> 00:22:16,960
the first 100 day report

533
00:22:21,510 --> 00:22:19,360
is supposed to come out

534
00:22:23,990 --> 00:22:21,520
according to this legislation

535
00:22:26,230 --> 00:22:24,000
um that might be the impetus for

536
00:22:28,470 --> 00:22:26,240
congress to hold hearings on that 180

537
00:22:31,669 --> 00:22:28,480
day report the first one and it'll be

538
00:22:33,190 --> 00:22:31,679
another 180 day report after that

539
00:22:35,669 --> 00:22:33,200
and also i want to point out there's

540
00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:35,679
also a second track

541
00:22:39,750 --> 00:22:37,840
in the senate intelligence

542
00:22:43,190 --> 00:22:39,760
committee to call the intelligence

543
00:22:44,789 --> 00:22:43,200
authorization act of ffy22 and no one's

544
00:22:46,630 --> 00:22:44,799
ever said anything because we're all

545
00:22:49,110 --> 00:22:46,640
excited about the ndaa which is

546
00:22:51,510 --> 00:22:49,120
basically department of defense but the

547
00:22:52,630 --> 00:22:51,520
iaa fy 22

548
00:22:54,310 --> 00:22:52,640
is more

549
00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:54,320
the intelligence community the civilian

550
00:22:57,909 --> 00:22:55,760
side the cia

551
00:22:58,950 --> 00:22:57,919
and they have a 90-day reporting

552
00:23:02,789 --> 00:22:58,960
requirement

553
00:23:05,110 --> 00:23:02,799
90 days not 180 and also it says that

554
00:23:07,110 --> 00:23:05,120
you are to report on all

555
00:23:10,149 --> 00:23:07,120
ufo

556
00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:10,159
events prior to your first report

557
00:23:15,029 --> 00:23:12,480
prior to what you reported now you have

558
00:23:15,750 --> 00:23:15,039
to report prior events so they'll take

559
00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:15,760
it

560
00:23:18,310 --> 00:23:17,280
way back i mean that could go back

561
00:23:19,990 --> 00:23:18,320
decades

562
00:23:23,510 --> 00:23:20,000
they better call me

563
00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:23,520
and you know all right just

564
00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:27,120
i grappled with why is the 1947 roswell

565
00:23:31,909 --> 00:23:29,840
crash so secret

566
00:23:33,510 --> 00:23:31,919
i mean the argument was it was the cold

567
00:23:34,870 --> 00:23:33,520
war and we didn't want the russians and

568
00:23:37,510 --> 00:23:34,880
that blah blah blah

569
00:23:39,990 --> 00:23:37,520
uh well the soviet union collapsed

570
00:23:42,390 --> 00:23:40,000
and you know there's not that same kind

571
00:23:44,789 --> 00:23:42,400
of cold war mentality we had

572
00:23:46,789 --> 00:23:44,799
in the 40s 50s 60s and 70s and 80s

573
00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:46,799
leading up to that collapse

574
00:23:52,789 --> 00:23:49,679
and so what is so secret about

575
00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:52,799
a advanced technology spacecraft with

576
00:23:57,830 --> 00:23:55,200
possibly occupants in that spacecraft

577
00:24:01,350 --> 00:23:57,840
that were recovered that is so doggone

578
00:24:04,070 --> 00:24:01,360
secret why isn't civilian scientists on

579
00:24:06,149 --> 00:24:04,080
it why aren't they allowed to be the

580
00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:06,159
investigators not the government i want

581
00:24:09,909 --> 00:24:07,679
the government to like

582
00:24:11,430 --> 00:24:09,919
get out of that business and invite

583
00:24:13,590 --> 00:24:11,440
others and that's why i was disappointed

584
00:24:15,510 --> 00:24:13,600
that the participation of galileo

585
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:15,520
project was removed from that

586
00:24:20,950 --> 00:24:17,760
legislation i was disappointed that the

587
00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:20,960
scu was removed from this legislation

588
00:24:26,149 --> 00:24:23,039
um and i wish they were included because

589
00:24:28,630 --> 00:24:26,159
we do need more civilian science

590
00:24:30,549 --> 00:24:28,640
and the rest of us i mean i

591
00:24:32,230 --> 00:24:30,559
you know they should call witnesses

592
00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:32,240
of people who actually seen not

593
00:24:34,630 --> 00:24:33,600
government

594
00:24:37,430 --> 00:24:34,640
you know like

595
00:24:39,430 --> 00:24:37,440
pilots and whatnot but actual regular

596
00:24:41,909 --> 00:24:39,440
civilians regular citizens regular

597
00:24:44,070 --> 00:24:41,919
people in the united states who've seen

598
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:44,080
craft and can give evidence eyewitness

599
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:46,559
testimony this is what i saw

600
00:24:51,269 --> 00:24:49,039
and i gosh you know we convict people to

601
00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:51,279
go to jail based on eyewitness testimony

602
00:24:54,789 --> 00:24:53,520
exactly so why is this

603
00:24:56,950 --> 00:24:54,799
not a

604
00:24:59,990 --> 00:24:56,960
avenue of investigation by congress to

605
00:25:02,310 --> 00:25:00,000
call the rest of us forward and then

606
00:25:04,870 --> 00:25:02,320
like you say have that uh

607
00:25:07,269 --> 00:25:04,880
kind of a commission type

608
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:07,279
hearing a commission to gather together

609
00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:09,600
to go forward like we did in watergate

610
00:25:13,029 --> 00:25:11,679
iran contra and these other things which

611
00:25:14,710 --> 00:25:13,039
were crimes

612
00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:14,720
so i don't know what the crime would be

613
00:25:18,070 --> 00:25:16,799
other than withholding information i

614
00:25:19,669 --> 00:25:18,080
don't know what the crime would be other

615
00:25:21,909 --> 00:25:19,679
than to like they're withholding

616
00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:21,919
information because there's technology

617
00:25:25,990 --> 00:25:24,640
that uh they want to protect because it

618
00:25:26,950 --> 00:25:26,000
you know

619
00:25:29,909 --> 00:25:26,960
it

620
00:25:31,990 --> 00:25:29,919
completely uh destroys the current

621
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:32,000
uh dependence on fossil fuels and you

622
00:25:34,950 --> 00:25:32,880
know

623
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:34,960
everything else they related to that

624
00:25:38,310 --> 00:25:36,480
you know if that's what they're holding

625
00:25:39,990 --> 00:25:38,320
back then that that is a crime that

626
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:40,000
should be investigated yeah

627
00:25:43,430 --> 00:25:41,520
i'm thinking maybe some of the things

628
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:43,440
that they did back in those days say

629
00:25:47,110 --> 00:25:45,120
after the roswell some of the things

630
00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:47,120
that they did were to say the least

631
00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:49,200
unethical and i don't think they want to

632
00:25:54,549 --> 00:25:52,640
reach that for uh liability reasons

633
00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:54,559
i mean we all know that allegedly some

634
00:25:58,950 --> 00:25:56,960
people have been harmed really really

635
00:26:01,029 --> 00:25:58,960
harmed to keep this secret i think

636
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:01,039
that's probably why they're reluctant to

637
00:26:04,870 --> 00:26:02,880
look back too far

638
00:26:08,310 --> 00:26:04,880
it is understandable you know with the

639
00:26:09,510 --> 00:26:08,320
cold war mentality if you uh you know

640
00:26:11,669 --> 00:26:09,520
suddenly

641
00:26:13,029 --> 00:26:11,679
a piece of technology drops from the sky

642
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:13,039
you don't want your enemy to know what

643
00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:14,720
you have you know you don't show your

644
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:17,440
hand to the enemy so i understand that

645
00:26:21,909 --> 00:26:19,760
but i'm with you mr ramirez i want to

646
00:26:23,510 --> 00:26:21,919
know what happened let's not uh this

647
00:26:25,029 --> 00:26:23,520
didn't start with the tic tac off the

648
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:25,039
nimitz i want to know what happened here

649
00:26:29,669 --> 00:26:28,080
for the last 70 plus years exactly um my

650
00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:29,679
only theory as to why they continue to

651
00:26:35,190 --> 00:26:32,320
keep to avoid it is because of what they

652
00:26:37,830 --> 00:26:35,200
did to keep those things secret um just

653
00:26:39,830 --> 00:26:37,840
think of you know james forrestal right

654
00:26:41,750 --> 00:26:39,840
but uh you know what i mean

655
00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:41,760
so maybe that's why they don't want to

656
00:26:47,590 --> 00:26:44,080
you know open that box and look back

657
00:26:49,510 --> 00:26:47,600
that far and congress can grant immunity

658
00:26:51,430 --> 00:26:49,520
just like any court of law can

659
00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:51,440
so that's still an avenue that they can

660
00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:53,279
pursue but yeah i agree with you joy

661
00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:54,080
yeah

662
00:27:00,310 --> 00:26:59,190
is that a raw film that john's drinking

663
00:27:01,669 --> 00:27:00,320
out of sorry

664
00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:01,679
go ahead linda

665
00:27:07,909 --> 00:27:04,400
i have to think that initially

666
00:27:09,750 --> 00:27:07,919
with roswell the fact that it

667
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:09,760
came down

668
00:27:16,710 --> 00:27:13,200
near the bomber squadron that had

669
00:27:19,909 --> 00:27:16,720
dropped the nuclear bombs in japan

670
00:27:21,909 --> 00:27:19,919
that that had to have freaked them out

671
00:27:23,990 --> 00:27:21,919
you know that of all the places in the

672
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:24,000
world that came down there

673
00:27:29,029 --> 00:27:26,880
and then what they found of course you

674
00:27:30,630 --> 00:27:29,039
know if it was something they had never

675
00:27:35,269 --> 00:27:30,640
seen before

676
00:27:38,230 --> 00:27:35,279
know you could kind of say okay well

677
00:27:40,870 --> 00:27:38,240
yeah this was a you know

678
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:40,880
scary factor but i think they were most

679
00:27:47,110 --> 00:27:44,159
concerned at the time about the location

680
00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:47,120
that it had come down to the proximity

681
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:50,640
to the bomber squadron but that does not

682
00:27:55,750 --> 00:27:53,440
excuse everything since you know i would

683
00:27:56,710 --> 00:27:55,760
agree with that too i think um

684
00:27:58,549 --> 00:27:56,720
you know

685
00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:58,559
i guess part of me understands the

686
00:28:01,510 --> 00:28:00,320
necessity to keep secrets like that

687
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:01,520
especially if you don't have a good

688
00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:03,600
enough explanation as to

689
00:28:08,470 --> 00:28:05,360
you know the details the devil's always

690
00:28:10,470 --> 00:28:08,480
in the details with anything you know uh

691
00:28:12,389 --> 00:28:10,480
intelligence community related so you

692
00:28:14,070 --> 00:28:12,399
don't want to give out a message if you

693
00:28:16,149 --> 00:28:14,080
don't have all

694
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:16,159
you know of the of the necessary data so

695
00:28:20,470 --> 00:28:18,240
i get that part i just don't i don't

696
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:20,480
agree with the decisions that were made

697
00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:23,760
and still continue to be made apparently

698
00:28:26,950 --> 00:28:25,440
absolutely

699
00:28:28,870 --> 00:28:26,960
go ahead

700
00:28:30,149 --> 00:28:28,880
i think that my biggest worry with i

701
00:28:32,310 --> 00:28:30,159
definitely think that they should go as

702
00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:32,320
far back as possible i think that my

703
00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:34,080
biggest concern is

704
00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:37,200
how are they going to grab all the data

705
00:28:40,389 --> 00:28:38,960
that has been compartmentalized within

706
00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:40,399
different areas of the government and

707
00:28:45,110 --> 00:28:42,880
private sector in order to assess that

708
00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:45,120
in a way that um

709
00:28:48,389 --> 00:28:46,720
that we have every piece of the puzzle

710
00:28:49,269 --> 00:28:48,399
that they took do you know what i mean

711
00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:49,279
um

712
00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:51,120
definitely go back but i am worried that

713
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:52,399
some of that may have been lost in

714
00:28:58,389 --> 00:28:55,200
translation or skewed and we might be

715
00:28:59,830 --> 00:28:58,399
missing parts of that like indefinitely

716
00:29:02,310 --> 00:28:59,840
i think that's part of why it's been

717
00:29:04,549 --> 00:29:02,320
kept this long too you know

718
00:29:07,029 --> 00:29:04,559
yeah were you gonna say something josh

719
00:29:09,029 --> 00:29:07,039
um yeah i mean i was gonna say in terms

720
00:29:12,389 --> 00:29:09,039
of like the data and things go going

721
00:29:14,310 --> 00:29:12,399
back pre the tic tac case um why not

722
00:29:15,909 --> 00:29:14,320
just release what they haven't open

723
00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:15,919
source it so we can all kind of work

724
00:29:18,630 --> 00:29:17,039
together

725
00:29:20,710 --> 00:29:18,640
and do it ourselves

726
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:20,720
like that that's what should that's what

727
00:29:24,470 --> 00:29:22,559
should that's what should be going on in

728
00:29:26,149 --> 00:29:24,480
my opinion um

729
00:29:27,990 --> 00:29:26,159
you know like we all need to come

730
00:29:29,029 --> 00:29:28,000
together on this and that's what

731
00:29:30,870 --> 00:29:29,039
you know the people have been the

732
00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:30,880
government um

733
00:29:34,149 --> 00:29:32,399
you know they don't

734
00:29:35,830 --> 00:29:34,159
seem to get that that you know the only

735
00:29:37,510 --> 00:29:35,840
way that we can kind of work this out is

736
00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:37,520
to come together on it you know so

737
00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:39,520
that's that's always been my thing with

738
00:29:43,510 --> 00:29:41,760
this um we need to open source to data

739
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:43,520
we need to open source the information

740
00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:44,159
and

741
00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:47,760
yeah

742
00:29:52,630 --> 00:29:51,120
it in my opinion i think you know um

743
00:29:54,389 --> 00:29:52,640
you know the interesting thing is

744
00:29:56,310 --> 00:29:54,399
there's so many

745
00:29:59,350 --> 00:29:56,320
each and every one of you has like

746
00:30:01,110 --> 00:29:59,360
another good point

747
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:01,120
you know and that's what that's what i

748
00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:03,360
kind of take from this is there's you

749
00:30:09,029 --> 00:30:06,960
know eight good points here of of why

750
00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:09,039
it shouldn't have been handled that way

751
00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:10,240
um

752
00:30:14,470 --> 00:30:11,840
it's just the way the whole thing

753
00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:14,480
started you know they said

754
00:30:16,789 --> 00:30:15,600
flying

755
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:16,799
disk

756
00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:18,000
you know

757
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:20,159
they sent it to the newspaper

758
00:30:25,029 --> 00:30:22,080
it's a weird one though because i'm not

759
00:30:27,029 --> 00:30:25,039
sure if you've read um annie jacobson's

760
00:30:29,190 --> 00:30:27,039
books unlike the roswell incident from

761
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:29,200
like a few years ago but she you know

762
00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:31,840
she was in contact with me from darpa i

763
00:30:36,789 --> 00:30:33,840
think it was not um

764
00:30:39,990 --> 00:30:36,799
and apparently like the roswell case

765
00:30:41,350 --> 00:30:40,000
it was actually stalin who was actually

766
00:30:43,350 --> 00:30:41,360
the one who

767
00:30:45,350 --> 00:30:43,360
you know was it was like a russian craft

768
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:45,360
apparently that that was what

769
00:30:49,190 --> 00:30:47,279
yeah nurtures when

770
00:30:51,029 --> 00:30:49,200
i can tell you that that

771
00:30:52,070 --> 00:30:51,039
i don't think it's true myself but sure

772
00:30:54,149 --> 00:30:52,080
sure

773
00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:54,159
yeah i mean a part of my research is

774
00:30:59,350 --> 00:30:57,039
i've read so many

775
00:31:05,430 --> 00:30:59,360
internal documents internal briefings

776
00:31:07,110 --> 00:31:05,440
from that time 1949 of of sign um 1952

777
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:07,120
all sorts of them

778
00:31:12,950 --> 00:31:10,799
and even their hypothesis on

779
00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:12,960
all the different uh planes that it

780
00:31:18,549 --> 00:31:15,600
could be from the horton brothers to

781
00:31:20,950 --> 00:31:18,559
um the v to rockets to

782
00:31:23,029 --> 00:31:20,960
you know all sorts of things even ideas

783
00:31:25,029 --> 00:31:23,039
that weren't realistic yet which

784
00:31:27,430 --> 00:31:25,039
included things that went 60 000 miles

785
00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:27,440
an hour but they'd always say

786
00:31:31,509 --> 00:31:29,440
that doesn't exist it's an idea but

787
00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:31,519
there's absolutely no evidence that this

788
00:31:36,389 --> 00:31:34,080
thing you know is working and we're

789
00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:36,399
pretty far off from it being

790
00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:39,440
uh a real thing you know yeah um and

791
00:31:45,509 --> 00:31:41,760
graham rendell actually will be on later

792
00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:45,519
really nailed that home with uh it's not

793
00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:48,000
um foreign tech you know but it's also

794
00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:49,840
interesting to me that we're kind of in

795
00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:52,559
the same spot all this time later where

796
00:31:56,230 --> 00:31:54,640
people are still saying that's foreign

797
00:31:58,389 --> 00:31:56,240
tech that's foreign

798
00:31:59,750 --> 00:31:58,399
no that's our that could be our tech no

799
00:32:02,230 --> 00:31:59,760
that's foreign

800
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:02,240
you know but whatever you decide on

801
00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:04,080
these latest videos

802
00:32:11,509 --> 00:32:08,240
really is such a small small percentage

803
00:32:12,470 --> 00:32:11,519
of the 80 years of reports from credible

804
00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:12,480
people

805
00:32:17,350 --> 00:32:14,880
you know um testifying on

806
00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:17,360
uh incredible things

807
00:32:20,470 --> 00:32:18,320
so

808
00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:20,480
that's what i have to say

809
00:32:25,269 --> 00:32:22,159
the foreign tech

810
00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:25,279
thing um you know that plays into the

811
00:32:30,230 --> 00:32:27,120
cia

812
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:30,240
programs okay this was foreign tech

813
00:32:35,909 --> 00:32:32,640
it was foreign that way

814
00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:35,919
tech it was out of this world or

815
00:32:42,149 --> 00:32:38,880
you know however wherever

816
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:42,159
um so that was foreign to them and that

817
00:32:47,430 --> 00:32:45,120
is one of the reasons why so much of it

818
00:32:48,630 --> 00:32:47,440
was in the cia records from the very

819
00:32:50,710 --> 00:32:48,640
beginning

820
00:32:53,830 --> 00:32:50,720
was because of that and of course the

821
00:32:56,070 --> 00:32:53,840
cia was formed not long after this i

822
00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:56,080
mean it was just a matter of weeks which

823
00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:58,320
was convenient but

824
00:33:03,830 --> 00:33:00,720
you know i've i've read the whole

825
00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:03,840
background on all of that type of thing

826
00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:06,399
um but yeah so

827
00:33:11,029 --> 00:33:09,440
that's the thing it was foreign tech it

828
00:33:12,470 --> 00:33:11,039
was foreign to us

829
00:33:13,669 --> 00:33:12,480
yeah and then

830
00:33:16,149 --> 00:33:13,679
correct me if i'm wrong but the

831
00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:16,159
investigation kind of split to where the

832
00:33:22,149 --> 00:33:19,600
national security aspect went to the air

833
00:33:24,310 --> 00:33:22,159
defense commander air material command i

834
00:33:25,509 --> 00:33:24,320
think it was and the research and

835
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:25,519
development

836
00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:27,919
um pretty much stayed with the uh

837
00:33:32,710 --> 00:33:30,320
cia osi

838
00:33:33,669 --> 00:33:32,720
um not exactly no

839
00:33:36,789 --> 00:33:33,679
um

840
00:33:38,789 --> 00:33:36,799
it depends on the time period right yeah

841
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:38,799
at least from what i read then later the

842
00:33:42,149 --> 00:33:40,320
air force had their own research and

843
00:33:45,190 --> 00:33:42,159
development and then the university is

844
00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:45,200
very close to patel and so they split a

845
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:48,240
lot of it along with some other places

846
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:49,440
so yeah

847
00:33:55,590 --> 00:33:52,799
yeah but very very early on there were

848
00:33:58,389 --> 00:33:55,600
systems put in place to keep this secret

849
00:34:01,509 --> 00:33:58,399
systems to recover this wreckage

850
00:34:02,710 --> 00:34:01,519
make sure it stayed compartmentalized

851
00:34:05,269 --> 00:34:02,720
i don't know

852
00:34:07,430 --> 00:34:05,279
the exact details nobody really does but

853
00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:07,440
i'm resuming that once they started a

854
00:34:11,349 --> 00:34:09,760
process of compartmentalization

855
00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:11,359
the air force gathered their own data

856
00:34:14,470 --> 00:34:13,200
the navy gathered their own data the cia

857
00:34:16,470 --> 00:34:14,480
had their own data and there was no

858
00:34:19,510 --> 00:34:16,480
sharing in between then we'd entered the

859
00:34:21,750 --> 00:34:19,520
real dark days of complete secrecy

860
00:34:24,629 --> 00:34:21,760
so that happened very very early on

861
00:34:26,790 --> 00:34:24,639
there's documents showing in 4748

862
00:34:28,629 --> 00:34:26,800
that all this air material command with

863
00:34:30,149 --> 00:34:28,639
the air force you guys are in charge of

864
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:30,159
getting this stuff and keeping the stuff

865
00:34:33,270 --> 00:34:31,200
quiet

866
00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:33,280
um so there were systems in place very

867
00:34:37,430 --> 00:34:35,520
very early on to keep this quiet yeah

868
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:37,440
those systems are still in place it

869
00:34:40,790 --> 00:34:38,879
didn't take them very long to get it

870
00:34:43,109 --> 00:34:40,800
into hands of civilians either if you

871
00:34:45,829 --> 00:34:43,119
look at the timeline from 47 i think the

872
00:34:48,310 --> 00:34:45,839
cia and air force were created in what

873
00:34:50,869 --> 00:34:48,320
september and then bell research labs in

874
00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:50,879
december 1947. air force

875
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:53,520
uh yeah um

876
00:34:58,069 --> 00:34:55,919
and then in december they invent the

877
00:34:59,910 --> 00:34:58,079
first point-to-point transistor

878
00:35:02,390 --> 00:34:59,920
just i mean i know they were working on

879
00:35:04,150 --> 00:35:02,400
it before then but they perfected it and

880
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:04,160
coincidentally less than six months

881
00:35:07,829 --> 00:35:06,720
after an incident like that

882
00:35:09,829 --> 00:35:07,839
i don't know

883
00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:09,839
i've seen documents as early as 52 where

884
00:35:13,270 --> 00:35:11,520
they were sort of trying to reverse

885
00:35:15,910 --> 00:35:13,280
engineer a flying disc

886
00:35:18,069 --> 00:35:15,920
literally private you know documents um

887
00:35:18,870 --> 00:35:18,079
that were released in 2009

888
00:35:21,270 --> 00:35:18,880
um

889
00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:21,280
yeah it's pretty amazing i mean

890
00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:23,119
there's this book right here which i

891
00:35:27,750 --> 00:35:24,640
thought would blow the door off the

892
00:35:30,390 --> 00:35:27,760
hinges in the 90s

893
00:35:31,349 --> 00:35:30,400
fully explains the whole systematic

894
00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:31,359
uh

895
00:35:35,589 --> 00:35:33,119
you know foreign technology desk in the

896
00:35:37,589 --> 00:35:35,599
pentagon and uh it's pretty amazing how

897
00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:37,599
they were able to do this i saw like

898
00:35:40,069 --> 00:35:39,359
vinnie and john wanted to say something

899
00:35:42,150 --> 00:35:40,079
too

900
00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:42,160
oh yeah i go on john

901
00:35:47,190 --> 00:35:45,520
okay uh yeah linda's right that um and

902
00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:47,200
uh joey you're right there were there

903
00:35:51,510 --> 00:35:49,200
were mechanisms in place

904
00:35:53,829 --> 00:35:51,520
and it goes right after world war ii uh

905
00:35:56,550 --> 00:35:53,839
basically uh you know there was an

906
00:36:00,630 --> 00:35:56,560
effort to gather information from what

907
00:36:02,230 --> 00:36:00,640
the germans had um and so project

908
00:36:04,069 --> 00:36:02,240
paperclip or whatever you want to call

909
00:36:05,510 --> 00:36:04,079
it this is not about rocket scientists

910
00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:05,520
it's about all the other information

911
00:36:11,109 --> 00:36:06,960
that germans had

912
00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:11,119
um but you know in january of 46 uh as

913
00:36:15,510 --> 00:36:13,040
as linda knows that the national

914
00:36:18,150 --> 00:36:15,520
intelligence authority was created that

915
00:36:20,390 --> 00:36:18,160
wasn't a an agency that was basically

916
00:36:22,390 --> 00:36:20,400
the legal framework to then create the

917
00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:22,400
central intelligence group

918
00:36:25,829 --> 00:36:23,680
so

919
00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:25,839
a year and a half before the roswell

920
00:36:30,150 --> 00:36:28,800
event it was already in place

921
00:36:31,270 --> 00:36:30,160
an organized

922
00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:31,280
civilian

923
00:36:36,069 --> 00:36:33,440
intelligence effort

924
00:36:38,950 --> 00:36:36,079
to analyze what the germans have

925
00:36:40,390 --> 00:36:38,960
provided that was the crux of that

926
00:36:42,069 --> 00:36:40,400
national intelligence authority to

927
00:36:44,470 --> 00:36:42,079
protect the fact that we're working with

928
00:36:45,670 --> 00:36:44,480
nazis and we brought nazis over to work

929
00:36:47,109 --> 00:36:45,680
with us

930
00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:47,119
that was then considered extremely

931
00:36:51,430 --> 00:36:49,440
sensitive worthy of that protection and

932
00:36:53,270 --> 00:36:51,440
so when roswell happened

933
00:36:57,190 --> 00:36:53,280
basically yeah the mechanism was already

934
00:36:59,910 --> 00:36:57,200
there and the fact that cia was founded

935
00:37:01,349 --> 00:36:59,920
actually the law was passed in july 26

936
00:37:03,670 --> 00:37:01,359
of 47

937
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:03,680
and cia celebrates its annual birthday

938
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:05,200
in september

939
00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:08,400
even though that occurred the structure

940
00:37:11,829 --> 00:37:10,000
was already there and basically they

941
00:37:14,710 --> 00:37:11,839
just changed names they dropped the

942
00:37:16,310 --> 00:37:14,720
group and added the agency and cdia but

943
00:37:18,390 --> 00:37:16,320
everything was already there and the

944
00:37:20,069 --> 00:37:18,400
divisions with the military

945
00:37:22,630 --> 00:37:20,079
early on there was a lot of conflict

946
00:37:25,270 --> 00:37:22,640
between civilian cia

947
00:37:26,710 --> 00:37:25,280
the fbi which did not want cia to be

948
00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:26,720
created

949
00:37:30,550 --> 00:37:28,560
because they had foreign intelligence

950
00:37:32,230 --> 00:37:30,560
and domestic intelligence they took a

951
00:37:33,990 --> 00:37:32,240
lot of that away from the fbi the

952
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:34,000
foreign side and then you have the

953
00:37:39,430 --> 00:37:36,480
military intelligence guys and there

954
00:37:41,430 --> 00:37:39,440
were a lot of consternation about

955
00:37:42,870 --> 00:37:41,440
creating an air force out of the army

956
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:42,880
basically there was no air force that

957
00:37:45,829 --> 00:37:44,480
was part of the army right so there was

958
00:37:47,589 --> 00:37:45,839
all this bureaucratic infighting and

959
00:37:49,589 --> 00:37:47,599
along with that you're right they

960
00:37:51,349 --> 00:37:49,599
invented their own little compartments

961
00:37:54,150 --> 00:37:51,359
their own little what we call stove

962
00:37:56,950 --> 00:37:54,160
pipes to handle this

963
00:37:58,870 --> 00:37:56,960
but yeah 49 was the pivotal year that

964
00:38:01,109 --> 00:37:58,880
they created the office of scientific

965
00:38:02,630 --> 00:38:01,119
intelligence which collected all of the

966
00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:02,640
ufo data

967
00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:05,520
for cia and they had it there until the

968
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:07,760
defense intelligence agency took over

969
00:38:11,750 --> 00:38:09,599
and grabbed all of that out so that's

970
00:38:14,230 --> 00:38:11,760
why it's all in the dia

971
00:38:16,550 --> 00:38:14,240
so is it no wonder you go to uap task

972
00:38:19,030 --> 00:38:16,560
force look at the participants in the

973
00:38:21,990 --> 00:38:19,040
uap task force by agency you know what's

974
00:38:23,109 --> 00:38:22,000
who's missing cia not there not invited

975
00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:23,119
to the party

976
00:38:26,790 --> 00:38:24,960
we don't want you here

977
00:38:28,470 --> 00:38:26,800
this is just military folks so already

978
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:28,480
you know you're taking a lot of that

979
00:38:33,349 --> 00:38:30,960
history away from the uap task force in

980
00:38:35,109 --> 00:38:33,359
terms of our understanding of it because

981
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:35,119
they just wanted to narrowly focus it

982
00:38:38,630 --> 00:38:36,000
toward

983
00:38:42,950 --> 00:38:38,640
military encounters with the phenomenon

984
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:42,960
not everything cia did before 2004.

985
00:38:46,710 --> 00:38:44,880
john isn't it part of the cia mandate

986
00:38:49,829 --> 00:38:46,720
that they do not hey

987
00:38:51,510 --> 00:38:49,839
domestically good you skip any

988
00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:51,520
sorry i'm sorry no

989
00:38:53,589 --> 00:38:52,240
but

990
00:38:55,109 --> 00:38:53,599
if you don't mind because what john just

991
00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:55,119
said actually leads right into what i

992
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:57,200
was going to say about how as soon as

993
00:39:01,190 --> 00:38:59,280
you hit the early 50s you had annexes

994
00:39:03,589 --> 00:39:01,200
departments and groups here there and

995
00:39:06,150 --> 00:39:03,599
everywhere with name changes happening

996
00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:06,160
every few years i mean if you try and

997
00:39:10,470 --> 00:39:08,560
track that data then when it just gets

998
00:39:13,030 --> 00:39:10,480
lost here and it was there and it's now

999
00:39:14,710 --> 00:39:13,040
here like just imagine how difficult it

1000
00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:14,720
was and we've seen that now sean you

1001
00:39:18,150 --> 00:39:16,079
highlight that regularly with your

1002
00:39:19,990 --> 00:39:18,160
documents that you show us than that so

1003
00:39:22,390 --> 00:39:20,000
you know and you have things like atik

1004
00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:22,400
and and that and i mean they changed

1005
00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:25,119
names so often yeah and even atec it was

1006
00:39:30,790 --> 00:39:28,320
started as um air technical you know and

1007
00:39:32,550 --> 00:39:30,800
then that changed uh uh aeronautic i

1008
00:39:34,870 --> 00:39:32,560
think it was or something yeah so it

1009
00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:34,880
just highlights how much the data is not

1010
00:39:39,990 --> 00:39:37,200
just in one big suppository with one

1011
00:39:40,829 --> 00:39:40,000
group it's here there and everywhere and

1012
00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:40,839
yeah

1013
00:39:46,950 --> 00:39:45,760
they create code names like sign grudge

1014
00:39:49,589 --> 00:39:46,960
and blue book

1015
00:39:50,550 --> 00:39:49,599
to pretty much cover that attic is is

1016
00:40:01,829 --> 00:39:50,560
the

1017
00:40:02,950 --> 00:40:01,839
didn't have any um

1018
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:02,960
you know

1019
00:40:07,750 --> 00:40:06,000
tech surprise as far as um an

1020
00:40:09,270 --> 00:40:07,760
advancement from a foreign country they

1021
00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:09,280
weren't surprised by

1022
00:40:13,589 --> 00:40:11,920
a new russian thing that was way better

1023
00:40:16,390 --> 00:40:13,599
than what they had that was their main

1024
00:40:18,950 --> 00:40:16,400
job right but this was

1025
00:40:21,990 --> 00:40:18,960
a part of it as well

1026
00:40:23,589 --> 00:40:22,000
and blue book is like if you go

1027
00:40:26,710 --> 00:40:23,599
just for instance if you want to go

1028
00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:26,720
research the the history you go research

1029
00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:29,440
blue book on whether it's the cia

1030
00:40:34,069 --> 00:40:32,160
website or archives just type in blue

1031
00:40:36,309 --> 00:40:34,079
book you know you'll get some some

1032
00:40:40,790 --> 00:40:36,319
things here and there but you won't get

1033
00:40:42,790 --> 00:40:40,800
as much if you type in attic

1034
00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:42,800
you know because everything's underneath

1035
00:40:46,470 --> 00:40:45,200
attic so then you'll you'll get all the

1036
00:40:49,829 --> 00:40:46,480
different things

1037
00:40:52,710 --> 00:40:49,839
um but you know there is also air force

1038
00:40:55,030 --> 00:40:52,720
osi so it was basically both of them osi

1039
00:40:57,190 --> 00:40:55,040
would go do the field

1040
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:57,200
research and the investigations and the

1041
00:41:00,630 --> 00:40:59,280
interviews and stuff and they'd send it

1042
00:41:02,630 --> 00:41:00,640
back to attic and they'd do their

1043
00:41:04,870 --> 00:41:02,640
evaluation and make their maps and all

1044
00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:04,880
that kind of [\h__\h] so

1045
00:41:10,230 --> 00:41:07,920
yeah so and as it progressed there is a

1046
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:10,240
bunch of different acronyms you know and

1047
00:41:14,550 --> 00:41:11,760
a bunch of different

1048
00:41:16,550 --> 00:41:14,560
things like uh moon does for instance if

1049
00:41:19,190 --> 00:41:16,560
you just look up moon dust you're not

1050
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:19,200
gonna find much but if you look up

1051
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:23,760
one one two seven 127 field activities

1052
00:41:28,309 --> 00:41:26,160
or four bell four you'll start finding

1053
00:41:29,190 --> 00:41:28,319
more stuff you know

1054
00:41:31,349 --> 00:41:29,200
so

1055
00:41:32,829 --> 00:41:31,359
yeah and they they do that on purpose

1056
00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:32,839
you know

1057
00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:34,480
obviously

1058
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:35,200
yeah

1059
00:41:41,750 --> 00:41:38,960
you run out of money or you know if a

1060
00:41:44,069 --> 00:41:41,760
contract has an expiration date and you

1061
00:41:46,150 --> 00:41:44,079
want to continue that contract you don't

1062
00:41:47,670 --> 00:41:46,160
like revive the old name you create a

1063
00:41:49,190 --> 00:41:47,680
new name and a new contract it looks

1064
00:41:51,829 --> 00:41:49,200
like a new program and then you get more

1065
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:51,839
money so that happens a lot too that you

1066
00:41:55,589 --> 00:41:53,440
just you know

1067
00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:55,599
rearrange the deck chairs

1068
00:42:00,150 --> 00:41:57,920
yes and then you continue to program

1069
00:42:01,589 --> 00:42:00,160
under a different uh name and then you

1070
00:42:02,870 --> 00:42:01,599
have different managers running the

1071
00:42:04,790 --> 00:42:02,880
program it looks like a brand new

1072
00:42:06,309 --> 00:42:04,800
program for all intents and purposes and

1073
00:42:07,589 --> 00:42:06,319
then you continue to get funding for

1074
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:07,599
that program

1075
00:42:13,109 --> 00:42:09,599
yeah

1076
00:42:14,790 --> 00:42:13,119
that makes a lot of sense

1077
00:42:17,349 --> 00:42:14,800
and then all the different regulations

1078
00:42:19,589 --> 00:42:17,359
throughout the years too you know like

1079
00:42:22,390 --> 00:42:19,599
a lot of them were you know air force

1080
00:42:24,870 --> 00:42:22,400
regulation 200-2

1081
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:24,880
and that always changed i just found

1082
00:42:28,870 --> 00:42:26,400
that the their

1083
00:42:30,430 --> 00:42:28,880
ufo research

1084
00:42:34,309 --> 00:42:30,440
regulation was

1085
00:42:36,309 --> 00:42:34,319
80-17 and there was a 80-17a

1086
00:42:39,910 --> 00:42:36,319
you know so

1087
00:42:41,510 --> 00:42:39,920
stuff changes but bringing it up to now

1088
00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:41,520
you know i guess john you'd you'd be in

1089
00:42:47,109 --> 00:42:44,880
the obviously the closest that's it to

1090
00:42:48,950 --> 00:42:47,119
how it would work now

1091
00:42:51,670 --> 00:42:48,960
how do you think the the air force is

1092
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:51,680
feeling right now with with this recent

1093
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:53,280
thing fast

1094
00:42:56,230 --> 00:42:55,119
well um

1095
00:42:57,829 --> 00:42:56,240
i don't think it's all going to be the

1096
00:43:00,309 --> 00:42:57,839
air force um

1097
00:43:01,510 --> 00:43:00,319
yeah um they were pretty much uh missing

1098
00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:01,520
in action

1099
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:03,760
uh from the uap task force because it

1100
00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:05,440
was all navy and i think there was a

1101
00:43:08,550 --> 00:43:07,760
little bit of like inter-service rivalry

1102
00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:08,560
there

1103
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:09,760
um the

1104
00:43:13,510 --> 00:43:12,000
navy has been more involved in this than

1105
00:43:15,270 --> 00:43:13,520
you would think

1106
00:43:16,950 --> 00:43:15,280
they've been involved in this for a long

1107
00:43:19,829 --> 00:43:16,960
long time

1108
00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:19,839
having seen evidence of these craft

1109
00:43:24,150 --> 00:43:22,079
going in and out of the water

1110
00:43:26,710 --> 00:43:24,160
that's one of the things that

1111
00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:26,720
chase brandon who wrote that book

1112
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:28,880
as part of his fictionalization of what

1113
00:43:33,670 --> 00:43:31,440
happened he wrote that the navy was

1114
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:33,680
involved at the very beginning and he

1115
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:35,280
fictionalized it but he was saying the

1116
00:43:40,150 --> 00:43:38,160
navy detected um these craft going in

1117
00:43:42,870 --> 00:43:40,160
and out of the water

1118
00:43:44,230 --> 00:43:42,880
back in the 50s

1119
00:43:48,069 --> 00:43:44,240
and so

1120
00:43:49,990 --> 00:43:48,079
you know be that as it may the air force

1121
00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:50,000
i think they were involved mainly

1122
00:43:55,750 --> 00:43:53,040
because of the debris going to

1123
00:43:57,510 --> 00:43:55,760
t2 intelligence which later became air

1124
00:44:00,069 --> 00:43:57,520
technical intelligence center atec which

1125
00:44:02,790 --> 00:44:00,079
became ftd which became fast c which

1126
00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:02,800
came today nasic

1127
00:44:06,790 --> 00:44:04,640
it's the same place folks it's unlikely

1128
00:44:08,950 --> 00:44:06,800
yeah

1129
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:08,960
different names but there was one show i

1130
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:12,160
actually did where um i highlighted that

1131
00:44:17,030 --> 00:44:15,040
i made a slide that did the different

1132
00:44:19,510 --> 00:44:17,040
years from a tech to where it is now

1133
00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:19,520
still at wright patterson air force base

1134
00:44:22,470 --> 00:44:21,359
but yeah but being in the department of

1135
00:44:23,829 --> 00:44:22,480
defense

1136
00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:23,839
up there

1137
00:44:28,230 --> 00:44:25,440
under the secretary of defense and

1138
00:44:29,829 --> 00:44:28,240
probably under usdi and s

1139
00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:29,839
under secretary defense for intelligence

1140
00:44:33,990 --> 00:44:32,480
and security being there having that as

1141
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:34,000
the top cover

1142
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:36,000
they have their authority to reach into

1143
00:44:40,150 --> 00:44:38,560
any inter energy service

1144
00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:40,160
to get resources

1145
00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:43,680
um so the nda didn't specify

1146
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:45,040
where that would be other than

1147
00:44:50,950 --> 00:44:48,000
department of defense the iaa is

1148
00:44:53,750 --> 00:44:50,960
different it actually calls out uh nasic

1149
00:44:55,270 --> 00:44:53,760
as the office to manage

1150
00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:55,280
all of the information which is on the

1151
00:44:58,950 --> 00:44:56,880
air force side

1152
00:45:01,030 --> 00:44:58,960
so i i don't know i gotta wait for the

1153
00:45:03,190 --> 00:45:01,040
iaa to come out and then

1154
00:45:04,470 --> 00:45:03,200
why are there two different pieces of

1155
00:45:06,550 --> 00:45:04,480
legislation

1156
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:06,560
one that says the secretary of defense

1157
00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:08,079
is in charge and should get the

1158
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:10,400
cooperation of the dni

1159
00:45:14,950 --> 00:45:12,240
and on the intelligence

1160
00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:14,960
authorization side it says oh no no the

1161
00:45:18,870 --> 00:45:16,640
dni is in charge and should get the

1162
00:45:21,190 --> 00:45:18,880
cooperation of secretary of defense

1163
00:45:23,430 --> 00:45:21,200
and you know that's to me is like oh my

1164
00:45:25,510 --> 00:45:23,440
gosh there's going to be like funding

1165
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:25,520
battles and all kinds of rivalries and

1166
00:45:30,069 --> 00:45:27,440
stuff going on and congress needs to

1167
00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:30,079
sort that out why are there two tracks

1168
00:45:33,349 --> 00:45:31,920
it's almost like the senate put in one

1169
00:45:35,670 --> 00:45:33,359
track the house put in another track

1170
00:45:38,309 --> 00:45:35,680
hoping that something will pan out it

1171
00:45:40,230 --> 00:45:38,319
looks like they're both going to pay now

1172
00:45:42,550 --> 00:45:40,240
you never never expected that to happen

1173
00:45:44,829 --> 00:45:42,560
no and so you know president biden needs

1174
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:44,839
to sort that out you know like who's in

1175
00:45:47,670 --> 00:45:46,560
charge because they're gonna they're

1176
00:45:49,510 --> 00:45:47,680
gonna start fighting because the

1177
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:49,520
civilian side of the ic and the military

1178
00:45:52,069 --> 00:45:50,400
side

1179
00:45:54,470 --> 00:45:52,079
military intelligence we do not get

1180
00:45:56,230 --> 00:45:54,480
along we do not get along

1181
00:45:58,309 --> 00:45:56,240
uh we get along professionally as a

1182
00:46:00,069 --> 00:45:58,319
professional courtesy but a lot of our

1183
00:46:01,589 --> 00:46:00,079
analysis and a lot of their analysis we

1184
00:46:02,710 --> 00:46:01,599
clash and we have these coordination

1185
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:02,720
battles

1186
00:46:05,829 --> 00:46:04,400
of you know you say this i say this how

1187
00:46:08,069 --> 00:46:05,839
do you prove it well i prove it because

1188
00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:08,079
i have this data how do you prove it cia

1189
00:46:12,309 --> 00:46:10,319
well i got data but i can't tell you

1190
00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:12,319
and that really goes on i have special

1191
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:13,200
data

1192
00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:14,880
and so somehow you know you have a

1193
00:46:17,910 --> 00:46:16,640
national intelligence officer who's

1194
00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:17,920
supposed to be responsible for putting

1195
00:46:21,510 --> 00:46:18,960
together

1196
00:46:23,829 --> 00:46:21,520
and that's under the dni but that's not

1197
00:46:25,349 --> 00:46:23,839
under not under the secretary of defense

1198
00:46:27,510 --> 00:46:25,359
yeah who knows what's going to happen we

1199
00:46:29,109 --> 00:46:27,520
might have too much ua uf

1200
00:46:31,109 --> 00:46:29,119
information

1201
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:31,119
yeah john quick question for you john do

1202
00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:32,720
you think that the

1203
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:34,560
i guess the battle between the two sides

1204
00:46:38,870 --> 00:46:35,680
do you think that has anything to do

1205
00:46:40,390 --> 00:46:38,880
with just you know common human ego at

1206
00:46:41,589 --> 00:46:40,400
all

1207
00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:41,599
i don't think has anything to do with

1208
00:46:47,829 --> 00:46:44,720
ego because marco rubio who is the

1209
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:47,839
uh vice chair on the senate intelligence

1210
00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:48,880
committee

1211
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:52,000
um is supporting the uh hipsey the house

1212
00:46:55,430 --> 00:46:53,920
permanent select committee uh

1213
00:46:57,990 --> 00:46:55,440
legislation

1214
00:46:59,349 --> 00:46:58,000
um that the hips the

1215
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:59,359
ndaa comes out of the house of

1216
00:47:02,950 --> 00:47:00,720
representatives

1217
00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:02,960
and it gave the senate a chance

1218
00:47:06,630 --> 00:47:05,040
to weigh in on it so you have the armed

1219
00:47:09,349 --> 00:47:06,640
services committee

1220
00:47:11,349 --> 00:47:09,359
uh weighing in on it so what what's in

1221
00:47:13,109 --> 00:47:11,359
the ndaa comes from the senate armed

1222
00:47:15,349 --> 00:47:13,119
services committee

1223
00:47:18,870 --> 00:47:15,359
not the intelligence committee that's

1224
00:47:21,270 --> 00:47:18,880
all military but on the senate side um

1225
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:21,280
they also have that legislation and so i

1226
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:23,280
don't think it's like that at all i

1227
00:47:26,230 --> 00:47:24,960
think they were just trying to like hey

1228
00:47:28,069 --> 00:47:26,240
we want to get this done we're going to

1229
00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:28,079
get it done any way possible

1230
00:47:30,870 --> 00:47:29,760
let's throw our cards on the table and

1231
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:30,880
let's play them

1232
00:47:34,150 --> 00:47:32,160
because something's going to pan out

1233
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:34,160
that's going to be right if

1234
00:47:38,069 --> 00:47:35,760
the nda

1235
00:47:39,510 --> 00:47:38,079
legislation fails that we have the iaa

1236
00:47:41,349 --> 00:47:39,520
because the iaa

1237
00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:41,359
passed originally

1238
00:47:46,230 --> 00:47:43,520
which came out to be the first 180 day

1239
00:47:48,710 --> 00:47:46,240
report that we saw back in june so now

1240
00:47:51,589 --> 00:47:48,720
it's a little more robust and now it's

1241
00:47:53,510 --> 00:47:51,599
90 days and every 90 days after that not

1242
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:53,520
just a one-time thing and not just in

1243
00:47:56,630 --> 00:47:55,680
the navy so i think they were just i

1244
00:47:59,430 --> 00:47:56,640
think

1245
00:48:01,109 --> 00:47:59,440
the people in congress who know who are

1246
00:48:02,549 --> 00:48:01,119
briefed on this

1247
00:48:04,470 --> 00:48:02,559
at that level

1248
00:48:06,710 --> 00:48:04,480
want that information to come out and

1249
00:48:09,190 --> 00:48:06,720
they are ostensibly the representatives

1250
00:48:11,109 --> 00:48:09,200
of the american people so by extension

1251
00:48:13,430 --> 00:48:11,119
they are the american citizen

1252
00:48:15,030 --> 00:48:13,440
um sitting in their offices wanting this

1253
00:48:17,750 --> 00:48:15,040
information to come out

1254
00:48:19,190 --> 00:48:17,760
and i would point out in the ndaa it now

1255
00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:19,200
is a uh

1256
00:48:23,829 --> 00:48:21,040
it's now not legal

1257
00:48:25,349 --> 00:48:23,839
for the secretary of defense to withhold

1258
00:48:27,910 --> 00:48:25,359
any sap

1259
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:27,920
whatsoever and i put that in a twitter

1260
00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:29,760
feed there's a lot of things in there

1261
00:48:33,430 --> 00:48:31,680
which restricts them and they say you

1262
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:33,440
know you get so much money but if you

1263
00:48:37,030 --> 00:48:35,040
say i can't tell you the rest of the

1264
00:48:38,069 --> 00:48:37,040
story because of a sap you lose your

1265
00:48:42,790 --> 00:48:38,079
money

1266
00:48:44,230 --> 00:48:42,800
what drives washington

1267
00:48:46,309 --> 00:48:44,240
yeah

1268
00:48:48,790 --> 00:48:46,319
so that mandate has teeth now actually

1269
00:48:50,150 --> 00:48:48,800
it does it does

1270
00:48:51,829 --> 00:48:50,160
yeah nobody likes getting their money

1271
00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:51,839
taken away um

1272
00:48:58,230 --> 00:48:54,960
we have about like 12 minutes left with

1273
00:48:59,349 --> 00:48:58,240
uh linda joey josh and john

1274
00:49:04,470 --> 00:48:59,359
um

1275
00:49:07,990 --> 00:49:04,480
you know before you head out or any

1276
00:49:10,630 --> 00:49:08,000
questions for them from from you guys

1277
00:49:12,309 --> 00:49:10,640
i do have a question i'm sorry no go

1278
00:49:14,470 --> 00:49:12,319
ahead priscilla um i've had a couple

1279
00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:14,480
people actually message me because they

1280
00:49:19,349 --> 00:49:17,440
are concerned about some of the language

1281
00:49:21,270 --> 00:49:19,359
in the bill um

1282
00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:21,280
and they're saying that uh they're very

1283
00:49:27,670 --> 00:49:24,319
worried about the term captured being in

1284
00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:27,680
there uh and i understand that because

1285
00:49:31,190 --> 00:49:29,520
you know it has a lot of implications i

1286
00:49:33,030 --> 00:49:31,200
just wanted to know your

1287
00:49:34,549 --> 00:49:33,040
your thoughts on that john

1288
00:49:36,230 --> 00:49:34,559
um

1289
00:49:37,670 --> 00:49:36,240
yeah i was disturbed by that when i

1290
00:49:38,549 --> 00:49:37,680
first read it

1291
00:49:40,390 --> 00:49:38,559
um

1292
00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:40,400
and i on various interviews i pointed

1293
00:49:44,710 --> 00:49:42,000
that out you know capture to the

1294
00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:44,720
department of defense is a kinetic term

1295
00:49:47,990 --> 00:49:46,640
it means shoot it down

1296
00:49:49,510 --> 00:49:48,000
and i don't think they should shoot it

1297
00:49:51,670 --> 00:49:49,520
down but

1298
00:49:53,589 --> 00:49:51,680
in the back of my mind i'm wondering if

1299
00:49:55,109 --> 00:49:53,599
that means like okay we know you have

1300
00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:55,119
something already

1301
00:49:59,030 --> 00:49:56,960
just say you captured it we don't care

1302
00:50:00,950 --> 00:49:59,040
when you captured it

1303
00:50:03,430 --> 00:50:00,960
show us what you have already so that

1304
00:50:05,430 --> 00:50:03,440
might be the language that allows

1305
00:50:08,390 --> 00:50:05,440
the department of defense

1306
00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:08,400
to actually reveal the fact that we do

1307
00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:11,280
have in our possession these craft

1308
00:50:15,990 --> 00:50:13,760
which we may not have shot down maybe we

1309
00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:16,000
have shot down but we do have in our

1310
00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:17,920
possession and here it is

1311
00:50:21,670 --> 00:50:19,359
and so

1312
00:50:23,430 --> 00:50:21,680
i'm hoping that's what uh the language

1313
00:50:27,430 --> 00:50:23,440
actually intends to do

1314
00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:27,440
i don't recommend right i wouldn't do it

1315
00:50:32,950 --> 00:50:29,760
yeah yeah i don't know

1316
00:50:34,630 --> 00:50:32,960
i asked lou directly what does that mean

1317
00:50:36,470 --> 00:50:34,640
um on a

1318
00:50:37,670 --> 00:50:36,480
directly i asked them

1319
00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:37,680
you know you're in the department of

1320
00:50:41,510 --> 00:50:39,200
defense you know capture means capture

1321
00:50:43,109 --> 00:50:41,520
the flag i mean that means gravity

1322
00:50:45,190 --> 00:50:43,119
you know you're gonna yeah

1323
00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:45,200
um so what does that mean and he hasn't

1324
00:50:49,510 --> 00:50:47,520
really answered that back for me but

1325
00:50:51,109 --> 00:50:49,520
yeah if anybody interviews lou please

1326
00:50:53,589 --> 00:50:51,119
ask him what is that yeah whoever has

1327
00:50:55,589 --> 00:50:53,599
them next what about you linda

1328
00:50:59,349 --> 00:50:55,599
there have been

1329
00:51:02,230 --> 00:50:59,359
teams set up from the very beginning

1330
00:51:05,589 --> 00:51:02,240
that have trained to go out

1331
00:51:08,870 --> 00:51:05,599
to recover these craft and to recover

1332
00:51:11,510 --> 00:51:08,880
the bodies there's a procedure for it if

1333
00:51:12,710 --> 00:51:11,520
you follow the documents the procedure

1334
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:12,720
is the same

1335
00:51:17,430 --> 00:51:15,200
almost every single time

1336
00:51:20,069 --> 00:51:17,440
there's other countries that

1337
00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:20,079
specifically in south america

1338
00:51:24,470 --> 00:51:21,680
that will tell you

1339
00:51:26,390 --> 00:51:24,480
that these teams come in

1340
00:51:28,630 --> 00:51:26,400
from the u.s

1341
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:28,640
they'll come in there's a set procedure

1342
00:51:34,309 --> 00:51:31,200
i've written about it in post before

1343
00:51:35,190 --> 00:51:34,319
and they do this they recover the craft

1344
00:51:36,630 --> 00:51:35,200
they

1345
00:51:40,870 --> 00:51:36,640
do everything

1346
00:51:43,030 --> 00:51:40,880
so all this does is it legitimizes what

1347
00:51:46,150 --> 00:51:43,040
they're already doing and probably

1348
00:51:47,670 --> 00:51:46,160
provides additional funding for it

1349
00:51:50,309 --> 00:51:47,680
so i'm

1350
00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:50,319
certain this is not the only thing that

1351
00:51:56,790 --> 00:51:52,400
has been going on that's going to be

1352
00:52:01,910 --> 00:51:57,670
awesome

1353
00:52:03,589 --> 00:52:01,920
john mr ramirez

1354
00:52:05,270 --> 00:52:03,599
yeah as a former it's it's sort of a

1355
00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:05,280
broad question but it's also maybe

1356
00:52:08,710 --> 00:52:06,800
pertains to the work that you're doing

1357
00:52:11,349 --> 00:52:08,720
now um

1358
00:52:14,470 --> 00:52:11,359
as a former intelligence agent

1359
00:52:17,430 --> 00:52:14,480
who's bound by non-disclosure agreements

1360
00:52:20,230 --> 00:52:17,440
when you when when someone goes public

1361
00:52:21,510 --> 00:52:20,240
does interviews does presentations slide

1362
00:52:24,630 --> 00:52:21,520
shows

1363
00:52:26,630 --> 00:52:24,640
is there a process in place for you

1364
00:52:29,190 --> 00:52:26,640
say you want to do a slideshow and you

1365
00:52:32,630 --> 00:52:29,200
are concerned about coming dangerously

1366
00:52:35,190 --> 00:52:32,640
close to breaching that nda is there a

1367
00:52:37,750 --> 00:52:35,200
process in place for you to

1368
00:52:39,270 --> 00:52:37,760
confirm i mean is this

1369
00:52:40,630 --> 00:52:39,280
it sounds like a silly question but is

1370
00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:40,640
there someone you can call and get on

1371
00:52:45,190 --> 00:52:42,720
the phone and say hey am i getting close

1372
00:52:47,349 --> 00:52:45,200
am i breaching an nda with this or do

1373
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:47,359
you just wing it and

1374
00:52:52,309 --> 00:52:49,920
you no no we don't we don't wing it um

1375
00:52:54,230 --> 00:52:52,319
both jim semivan and myself and anybody

1376
00:52:56,870 --> 00:52:54,240
else who's in cia they've written books

1377
00:52:59,670 --> 00:52:56,880
not about uaps but about their careers

1378
00:53:01,990 --> 00:52:59,680
uh we go through a process uh with the

1379
00:53:03,430 --> 00:53:02,000
pre-publication classification review

1380
00:53:06,069 --> 00:53:03,440
board

1381
00:53:07,030 --> 00:53:06,079
we have the address to good there and we

1382
00:53:09,430 --> 00:53:07,040
submit

1383
00:53:10,790 --> 00:53:09,440
i wrote a letter of introduction they

1384
00:53:12,870 --> 00:53:10,800
already knew who i was but i wrote a

1385
00:53:14,470 --> 00:53:12,880
letter introduction explaining why i

1386
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:14,480
wanted to do this what the content would

1387
00:53:16,950 --> 00:53:15,280
be

1388
00:53:19,349 --> 00:53:16,960
in that letter of introduction and i

1389
00:53:22,630 --> 00:53:19,359
keep saying this um because i can't show

1390
00:53:25,670 --> 00:53:22,640
the letter yet i said i was at this

1391
00:53:28,549 --> 00:53:25,680
infamous hotel meeting about hybrids and

1392
00:53:30,549 --> 00:53:28,559
i named by name the officers who were

1393
00:53:33,109 --> 00:53:30,559
there and briefed

1394
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:33,119
who sponsored it who briefed it and the

1395
00:53:38,790 --> 00:53:36,000
officers i recognized who were there

1396
00:53:41,030 --> 00:53:38,800
in the context of that meeting uh and i

1397
00:53:43,030 --> 00:53:41,040
said we talked about alien dna and so

1398
00:53:44,710 --> 00:53:43,040
forth and so on i laid everything out in

1399
00:53:46,309 --> 00:53:44,720
that slide presentation

1400
00:53:48,950 --> 00:53:46,319
and they came back and said please send

1401
00:53:50,630 --> 00:53:48,960
us your slide presentation so i sent it

1402
00:53:52,950 --> 00:53:50,640
and i didn't want to get any of it

1403
00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:52,960
redacted so i kind of pulled back on

1404
00:53:55,829 --> 00:53:54,240
naming names

1405
00:53:56,870 --> 00:53:55,839
and in hindsight i wish i would have

1406
00:53:59,510 --> 00:53:56,880
named them

1407
00:54:01,270 --> 00:53:59,520
but i didn't want that to take the

1408
00:54:02,549 --> 00:54:01,280
presentation so i said i want that

1409
00:54:04,309 --> 00:54:02,559
information out

1410
00:54:05,430 --> 00:54:04,319
um so that's the process i went through

1411
00:54:07,109 --> 00:54:05,440
they came back saying there's nothing

1412
00:54:09,109 --> 00:54:07,119
here that's unclassified

1413
00:54:10,309 --> 00:54:09,119
so that is the process

1414
00:54:11,990 --> 00:54:10,319
so there is a process the

1415
00:54:13,510 --> 00:54:12,000
pre-publication

1416
00:54:17,910 --> 00:54:13,520
classification review

1417
00:54:19,510 --> 00:54:17,920
interesting that's really because ndas

1418
00:54:20,790 --> 00:54:19,520
really are what's keeping us from

1419
00:54:22,230 --> 00:54:20,800
knowing the truth there's people who

1420
00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:22,240
know the truth but they're bound by

1421
00:54:27,829 --> 00:54:25,200
these nba's right either by patriotism

1422
00:54:30,390 --> 00:54:27,839
or by fear of retribution no they have

1423
00:54:31,589 --> 00:54:30,400
they have current ndas in in

1424
00:54:33,270 --> 00:54:31,599
in effect

1425
00:54:35,589 --> 00:54:33,280
so guys like jim semivan and lou

1426
00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:35,599
elizondo and chris mellon they have

1427
00:54:40,710 --> 00:54:38,400
current ndas with the government

1428
00:54:43,990 --> 00:54:40,720
uh so that restricts what they do

1429
00:54:45,670 --> 00:54:44,000
i as a retiree with no ndas other than

1430
00:54:48,069 --> 00:54:45,680
what i signed before about protecting

1431
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:48,079
sources and methods i can go and instead

1432
00:54:51,670 --> 00:54:50,400
of going foia route

1433
00:54:54,309 --> 00:54:51,680
i go direct

1434
00:54:55,910 --> 00:54:54,319
and so um you know that i was hoping

1435
00:54:57,910 --> 00:54:55,920
that people would ask me you know can

1436
00:54:59,190 --> 00:54:57,920
you go direct with this to cia but no

1437
00:55:00,870 --> 00:54:59,200
one's asked me

1438
00:55:02,150 --> 00:55:00,880
to do anything and i you know i don't

1439
00:55:05,190 --> 00:55:02,160
want to like

1440
00:55:06,309 --> 00:55:05,200
count too much john does that cumbersome

1441
00:55:08,150 --> 00:55:06,319
is it a long if you want to do a

1442
00:55:10,630 --> 00:55:08,160
slideshow and they have to approve it is

1443
00:55:12,789 --> 00:55:10,640
it take six months for them to say no

1444
00:55:14,630 --> 00:55:12,799
they came back to me and say when do you

1445
00:55:16,390 --> 00:55:14,640
need this buy and i said well you know

1446
00:55:18,549 --> 00:55:16,400
not really

1447
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:18,559
anytime soon you know take your time i

1448
00:55:23,589 --> 00:55:20,640
know you got other things to do so they

1449
00:55:25,589 --> 00:55:23,599
came back within like very fast i mean

1450
00:55:27,510 --> 00:55:25,599
i did it over the summer they came back

1451
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:27,520
um

1452
00:55:30,309 --> 00:55:29,040
uh in

1453
00:55:32,710 --> 00:55:30,319
august

1454
00:55:34,950 --> 00:55:32,720
they came back and then um i sent it out

1455
00:55:36,309 --> 00:55:34,960
to everybody i knew um

1456
00:55:37,910 --> 00:55:36,319
and then whitley got a hold of it and

1457
00:55:42,549 --> 00:55:37,920
then i did my first

1458
00:55:46,870 --> 00:55:44,549
that's interesting and hey john i had a

1459
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:46,880
quick question really quick um time's up

1460
00:55:56,470 --> 00:55:48,370
basically

1461
00:56:00,789 --> 00:55:58,870
um i just wanted to ask you about um you

1462
00:56:02,789 --> 00:56:00,799
know just you being in groups that you

1463
00:56:04,549 --> 00:56:02,799
mentioned at the hotel uh with other

1464
00:56:07,109 --> 00:56:04,559
intelligence community members about the

1465
00:56:08,710 --> 00:56:07,119
hybrid hybridization program

1466
00:56:10,549 --> 00:56:08,720
and i just wanted to know your thoughts

1467
00:56:12,470 --> 00:56:10,559
on you know statements from

1468
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:12,480
people like the honorable paul hellyer

1469
00:56:17,030 --> 00:56:14,400
or um and i'm probably gonna butcher the

1470
00:56:19,109 --> 00:56:17,040
name but i hayama shed the former uh

1471
00:56:23,030 --> 00:56:19,119
yeah i think he was an intelligent the

1472
00:56:25,750 --> 00:56:23,040
space command in israel about yeah

1473
00:56:27,750 --> 00:56:25,760
i want to make clear it's not a program

1474
00:56:29,910 --> 00:56:27,760
it's not like cia's getting together

1475
00:56:31,829 --> 00:56:29,920
with aliens and we're making hybrids out

1476
00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:31,839
of humans yeah right something we

1477
00:56:36,230 --> 00:56:33,839
detected so it's not a program in that

1478
00:56:39,030 --> 00:56:36,240
sense the way ciao carl program it's

1479
00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:39,040
just this is what we found

1480
00:56:44,710 --> 00:56:42,240
uh and we're investigating this

1481
00:56:46,549 --> 00:56:44,720
um but um

1482
00:56:48,309 --> 00:56:46,559
yeah i mean you find like uh on some

1483
00:56:51,829 --> 00:56:48,319
abduction cases i believe

1484
00:56:56,230 --> 00:56:51,839
they found like really really old

1485
00:56:57,910 --> 00:56:56,240
like dna even um like prehist like i i

1486
00:57:00,789 --> 00:56:57,920
don't know the details so i can't go too

1487
00:57:02,230 --> 00:57:00,799
far into it but like ancient dna

1488
00:57:03,109 --> 00:57:02,240
linda might know more about that

1489
00:57:04,870 --> 00:57:03,119
actually

1490
00:57:07,430 --> 00:57:04,880
yeah yeah but to answer your question

1491
00:57:11,190 --> 00:57:07,440
really quick um

1492
00:57:12,950 --> 00:57:11,200
these gentlemen were in higher positions

1493
00:57:15,190 --> 00:57:12,960
in their governments

1494
00:57:16,549 --> 00:57:15,200
way above what my equivalent pay grade

1495
00:57:19,349 --> 00:57:16,559
would be in if i was in their

1496
00:57:21,349 --> 00:57:19,359
governments and so i got to defer to

1497
00:57:22,309 --> 00:57:21,359
what they're saying i i can't prove what

1498
00:57:24,789 --> 00:57:22,319
they're saying

1499
00:57:29,670 --> 00:57:24,799
but i saw evidence of the fact that what

1500
00:57:31,589 --> 00:57:29,680
they say could have some basis in truth

1501
00:57:34,150 --> 00:57:31,599
but i can't present evidence myself they

1502
00:57:36,309 --> 00:57:34,160
didn't show me the evidence they just

1503
00:57:37,990 --> 00:57:36,319
stated the fact and because of who they

1504
00:57:39,829 --> 00:57:38,000
were

1505
00:57:41,990 --> 00:57:39,839
i accepted the fact as being truthful

1506
00:57:43,430 --> 00:57:42,000
that they're not lying to us so that

1507
00:57:45,510 --> 00:57:43,440
would also have to mean that they

1508
00:57:46,630 --> 00:57:45,520
recognize what alien dna looks like

1509
00:57:48,710 --> 00:57:46,640
right

1510
00:57:51,430 --> 00:57:48,720
yeah

1511
00:57:53,030 --> 00:57:51,440
right so that's why i went back

1512
00:57:57,349 --> 00:57:53,040
that's why i went back to okay you guys

1513
00:58:00,789 --> 00:57:58,230
yeah

1514
00:58:03,670 --> 00:58:00,799
all right well i thank uh everyone for

1515
00:58:06,309 --> 00:58:03,680
their time here linda joey uh josh and

1516
00:58:09,990 --> 00:58:06,319
artemis teller joshua artemis thank you

1517
00:58:13,430 --> 00:58:11,430
anything

1518
00:58:15,190 --> 00:58:13,440
that any of you want to say before we

1519
00:58:17,829 --> 00:58:15,200
get out of here

1520
00:58:20,470 --> 00:58:17,839
thank you sean

1521
00:58:22,069 --> 00:58:20,480
thank you mr ramirez thank you for your

1522
00:58:23,670 --> 00:58:22,079
openness

1523
00:58:25,510 --> 00:58:23,680
i just want to say i wish there was more

1524
00:58:27,589 --> 00:58:25,520
time because i love all you guys you've

1525
00:58:30,069 --> 00:58:27,599
all got important things to say

1526
00:58:31,510 --> 00:58:30,079
so yeah we'll have to do this again i

1527
00:58:33,349 --> 00:58:31,520
just want to say this was

1528
00:58:35,589 --> 00:58:33,359
an honor and a privilege to be here this

1529
00:58:37,190 --> 00:58:35,599
is important work and i look forward to

1530
00:58:39,109 --> 00:58:37,200
speaking to each and every one of you

1531
00:58:41,109 --> 00:58:39,119
individually i hope in the near future

1532
00:58:42,950 --> 00:58:41,119
really absolutely spaghetti this is

1533
00:58:44,789 --> 00:58:42,960
great thank you and keeping up with the

1534
00:58:45,910 --> 00:58:44,799
activism folks and get well robert

1535
00:58:47,270 --> 00:58:45,920
culford

1536
00:58:48,870 --> 00:58:47,280
all right yes

1537
00:58:53,109 --> 00:58:48,880
hello

1538
00:58:54,630 --> 00:58:53,119
okay bye all right it's like

1539
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:54,640
oh where are you

1540
00:58:59,670 --> 00:58:56,210
that's that awkward pause

1541
00:59:01,750 --> 00:58:59,680
[Laughter]

1542
00:59:03,349 --> 00:59:01,760
it's me not nice

1543
00:59:05,430 --> 00:59:03,359
i can't i can't remove you the computer

1544
00:59:10,150 --> 00:59:05,440
won't oh you're stuck

1545
00:59:14,870 --> 00:59:12,069
all right so

1546
00:59:18,870 --> 00:59:14,880
we have a quick reshuffle here we got uh

1547
00:59:21,190 --> 00:59:18,880
the next hour coming up um and you know

1548
00:59:22,390 --> 00:59:21,200
when i did this yeah that was

1549
00:59:24,870 --> 00:59:22,400
that was pretty good

1550
00:59:27,510 --> 00:59:24,880
um when i did this i wanted to try my

1551
00:59:29,829 --> 00:59:27,520
best at least you know um i don't have

1552
00:59:31,910 --> 00:59:29,839
all the resources in the world but i

1553
00:59:34,390 --> 00:59:31,920
wanted to try my best to you know make a

1554
00:59:37,190 --> 00:59:34,400
global effort with this too because

1555
00:59:40,789 --> 00:59:37,200
um you know many of us know that uh the

1556
00:59:43,109 --> 00:59:40,799
uap thing the ufo thing is not just

1557
00:59:44,630 --> 00:59:43,119
about the united states

1558
00:59:46,950 --> 00:59:44,640
you know um

1559
00:59:49,910 --> 00:59:46,960
australia for instance i've looked at

1560
00:59:53,990 --> 00:59:49,920
their files same thing same freaking

1561
00:59:55,910 --> 00:59:54,000
thing as us france um speaking of france

1562
00:59:57,829 --> 00:59:55,920
i think we're we're gonna hit that too

1563
00:59:58,829 --> 00:59:57,839
united kingdom as well

1564
01:00:02,150 --> 00:59:58,839
um

1565
01:00:05,109 --> 01:00:02,160
so with that being said i want to bring

1566
01:00:06,150 --> 01:00:05,119
in our next group of guests

1567
01:00:08,630 --> 01:00:06,160
um

1568
01:00:10,549 --> 01:00:08,640
first i'll bring in uh baptist freeze

1569
01:00:11,750 --> 01:00:10,559
court how are you

1570
01:00:15,670 --> 01:00:11,760
oh

1571
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:18,789
[Music]

1572
01:00:24,470 --> 01:00:22,710
good uh do you want to introduce

1573
01:00:28,549 --> 01:00:24,480
your next um

1574
01:00:29,829 --> 01:00:28,559
uh colleague baptiste oh he's good i'm

1575
01:00:32,789 --> 01:00:29,839
asking if you could do it because you're

1576
01:00:35,910 --> 01:00:32,799
going to do it way better than me

1577
01:00:37,589 --> 01:00:35,920
uh which one do you have in line

1578
01:00:39,430 --> 01:00:37,599
oh you just want me to say the name

1579
01:00:41,270 --> 01:00:39,440
you're setting me up and i'm going to

1580
01:00:43,829 --> 01:00:41,280
screw it up to be honest

1581
01:00:46,630 --> 01:00:43,839
all right we'll just throw them in there

1582
01:00:48,630 --> 01:00:46,640
he's my co-host and trajectory

1583
01:00:51,109 --> 01:00:48,640
extraordinaire

1584
01:00:54,309 --> 01:00:51,119
funny hero

1585
01:00:56,710 --> 01:00:54,319
english teacher by trade and

1586
01:00:58,230 --> 01:00:56,720
one of the best uap activists we have in

1587
01:01:01,990 --> 01:00:58,240
france

1588
01:01:03,829 --> 01:01:02,000
which probably means there's only one

1589
01:01:05,990 --> 01:01:03,839
that's the only explanation for me being

1590
01:01:07,109 --> 01:01:06,000
the best but thank you

1591
01:01:09,270 --> 01:01:07,119
yeah you

1592
01:01:10,950 --> 01:01:09,280
you picked a good title then you know

1593
01:01:13,109 --> 01:01:10,960
it's like when you start a business you

1594
01:01:14,630 --> 01:01:13,119
got to find the need and and you'll get

1595
01:01:16,870 --> 01:01:14,640
all the

1596
01:01:17,910 --> 01:01:16,880
you'll get you'll get everything uh all

1597
01:01:20,549 --> 01:01:17,920
right i'll

1598
01:01:21,990 --> 01:01:20,559
uh bring in the next person who is a

1599
01:01:23,589 --> 01:01:22,000
dear friend of mine

1600
01:01:26,150 --> 01:01:23,599
um

1601
01:01:28,390 --> 01:01:26,160
i gotta say that he's been

1602
01:01:30,390 --> 01:01:28,400
on my show since the very beginning when

1603
01:01:31,430 --> 01:01:30,400
i would get you know 30 views or

1604
01:01:34,470 --> 01:01:31,440
whatever

1605
01:01:37,270 --> 01:01:34,480
um he's always been so kind to me to

1606
01:01:39,829 --> 01:01:37,280
um come on my program he's written an

1607
01:01:41,910 --> 01:01:39,839
amazing book they issued all

1608
01:01:45,270 --> 01:01:41,920
by right now

1609
01:01:47,270 --> 01:01:45,280
called uh ufos before roswell uh without

1610
01:01:48,950 --> 01:01:47,280
further ado i bring him in graham

1611
01:01:50,829 --> 01:01:48,960
rendell how are you

1612
01:01:53,349 --> 01:01:50,839
hello how is everybody

1613
01:01:54,789 --> 01:01:53,359
hello excellent how are you

1614
01:01:56,470 --> 01:01:54,799
fine thank you it's great to be here

1615
01:01:59,109 --> 01:01:56,480
thanks very much for the invitation i'm

1616
01:01:59,990 --> 01:01:59,119
proud to be part of this this networking

1617
01:02:02,950 --> 01:02:00,000
yeah

1618
01:02:05,510 --> 01:02:02,960
it's a pleasure to have you here sir and

1619
01:02:07,109 --> 01:02:05,520
then we have one more guest

1620
01:02:08,309 --> 01:02:07,119
um

1621
01:02:10,710 --> 01:02:08,319
and

1622
01:02:13,270 --> 01:02:10,720
you know i'm just going to bring him in

1623
01:02:14,470 --> 01:02:13,280
mr frank maura how are you

1624
01:02:17,270 --> 01:02:14,480
fine

1625
01:02:18,950 --> 01:02:17,280
good hello everybody

1626
01:02:20,470 --> 01:02:18,960
hi frank

1627
01:02:23,589 --> 01:02:20,480
um so to

1628
01:02:25,190 --> 01:02:23,599
the new guests in here let's just go

1629
01:02:27,190 --> 01:02:25,200
you know

1630
01:02:30,150 --> 01:02:27,200
through each one maybe just give a

1631
01:02:33,510 --> 01:02:30,160
little bit about uh yourself and how you

1632
01:02:35,109 --> 01:02:33,520
feel about um you know today's uap

1633
01:02:37,910 --> 01:02:35,119
climate and

1634
01:02:40,630 --> 01:02:37,920
it we can just move from there

1635
01:02:41,910 --> 01:02:40,640
so maybe we'll start with you um how do

1636
01:02:43,750 --> 01:02:41,920
you say your name

1637
01:02:45,829 --> 01:02:43,760
gillami

1638
01:02:47,430 --> 01:02:45,839
actually it's guillaume

1639
01:02:49,589 --> 01:02:47,440
guillaume yeah that's right it's the

1640
01:02:51,990 --> 01:02:49,599
french version of william

1641
01:02:53,109 --> 01:02:52,000
so technically you could call me bill

1642
01:02:54,870 --> 01:02:53,119
all right bill

1643
01:02:56,870 --> 01:02:54,880
ah no come on i think you can do it

1644
01:02:59,029 --> 01:02:56,880
guillermo

1645
01:03:00,810 --> 01:02:59,039
yeah it's perfect all right all right

1646
01:03:04,309 --> 01:03:00,820
all right bill you go first

1647
01:03:06,230 --> 01:03:04,319
[Laughter]

1648
01:03:07,750 --> 01:03:06,240
well uh first of all thank you very much

1649
01:03:09,190 --> 01:03:07,760
sean uh

1650
01:03:11,109 --> 01:03:09,200
for inviting uh

1651
01:03:13,190 --> 01:03:11,119
me of course and the rest of us but also

1652
01:03:16,470 --> 01:03:13,200
for all the work that you do i have to

1653
01:03:18,789 --> 01:03:16,480
say i i can't keep up you're just you're

1654
01:03:20,630 --> 01:03:18,799
doing too much i can't read all of what

1655
01:03:22,230 --> 01:03:20,640
you're posting on twitter can you please

1656
01:03:24,630 --> 01:03:22,240
slow down a little bit

1657
01:03:26,069 --> 01:03:24,640
i've got children to look after i don't

1658
01:03:28,150 --> 01:03:26,079
have time for

1659
01:03:29,109 --> 01:03:28,160
no you're just doing too much

1660
01:03:33,750 --> 01:03:29,119
yeah

1661
01:03:35,270 --> 01:03:33,760
reality

1662
01:03:37,029 --> 01:03:35,280
so um

1663
01:03:39,190 --> 01:03:37,039
well in a nutshell

1664
01:03:41,029 --> 01:03:39,200
i'm just some dude

1665
01:03:43,589 --> 01:03:41,039
i'm not an experiencer i've never seen

1666
01:03:45,349 --> 01:03:43,599
anything and i'm new to the subject i

1667
01:03:47,510 --> 01:03:45,359
came along like

1668
01:03:51,510 --> 01:03:47,520
probably nine months ago around right

1669
01:03:54,950 --> 01:03:53,430
and i went hey what

1670
01:03:57,109 --> 01:03:54,960
what's that all about

1671
01:03:59,510 --> 01:03:57,119
and then i saw

1672
01:04:02,150 --> 01:03:59,520
a document posted on twitter by a guy

1673
01:04:04,309 --> 01:04:02,160
named uh space cowboy 78 maybe you've

1674
01:04:06,150 --> 01:04:04,319
heard of him he keeps posting these

1675
01:04:08,390 --> 01:04:06,160
old documents all the time

1676
01:04:10,829 --> 01:04:08,400
and that was one particular

1677
01:04:13,270 --> 01:04:10,839
document from the australian ministry of

1678
01:04:16,309 --> 01:04:13,280
defense uh which

1679
01:04:18,630 --> 01:04:16,319
uh dealt with the us attitude on the ufo

1680
01:04:19,430 --> 01:04:18,640
phenomenon and and basically you had

1681
01:04:23,589 --> 01:04:19,440
um

1682
01:04:27,270 --> 01:04:23,599
you know the entire ufo cover-up history

1683
01:04:28,950 --> 01:04:27,280
uh summed up in on one sheet and

1684
01:04:30,309 --> 01:04:28,960
reading that thing on an official

1685
01:04:32,549 --> 01:04:30,319
document

1686
01:04:36,230 --> 01:04:32,559
had more effect on me than any other

1687
01:04:39,109 --> 01:04:36,240
video i had seen prior to that and i had

1688
01:04:42,150 --> 01:04:39,119
all this i had this kind of tingling

1689
01:04:45,190 --> 01:04:42,160
everywhere going oh [\h__\h] [\h__\h] it's real

1690
01:04:47,510 --> 01:04:45,200
actually so it really had this huge

1691
01:04:49,270 --> 01:04:47,520
effect on me and i went

1692
01:04:51,510 --> 01:04:49,280
how come

1693
01:04:52,870 --> 01:04:51,520
so i started watching stuff on youtube

1694
01:04:53,990 --> 01:04:52,880
your channel

1695
01:04:57,109 --> 01:04:54,000
luis

1696
01:04:58,309 --> 01:04:57,119
every alexander interview that there was

1697
01:05:00,950 --> 01:04:58,319
um

1698
01:05:04,150 --> 01:05:00,960
like the rest of us probably

1699
01:05:05,829 --> 01:05:04,160
and uh and i was shocked at

1700
01:05:08,950 --> 01:05:05,839
the amount of

1701
01:05:11,829 --> 01:05:08,960
[\h__\h] youthful content and i mean [\h__\h]

1702
01:05:14,390 --> 01:05:11,839
was going on in the us and nothing was

1703
01:05:17,029 --> 01:05:14,400
going on in france and i was i mean

1704
01:05:19,750 --> 01:05:17,039
almost nothing that i could see anyway

1705
01:05:22,630 --> 01:05:19,760
so uh i figured

1706
01:05:24,710 --> 01:05:22,640
oh why not try and do something like you

1707
01:05:25,910 --> 01:05:24,720
know what what just what um the big

1708
01:05:28,069 --> 01:05:25,920
phone home

1709
01:05:29,829 --> 01:05:28,079
said we should do why not try that in

1710
01:05:31,430 --> 01:05:29,839
france you know so i just

1711
01:05:33,109 --> 01:05:31,440
wrote a bunch of

1712
01:05:35,430 --> 01:05:33,119
letters to my reps

1713
01:05:38,470 --> 01:05:35,440
uh i got one reply

1714
01:05:40,470 --> 01:05:38,480
uh i first at first i posted it on

1715
01:05:43,430 --> 01:05:40,480
twitter and then baptist

1716
01:05:44,549 --> 01:05:43,440
who has this uh youtube channel explorer

1717
01:05:46,870 --> 01:05:44,559
lab

1718
01:05:48,630 --> 01:05:46,880
contacted me uh you know to talk about

1719
01:05:49,750 --> 01:05:48,640
that letter and it turns out that

1720
01:05:51,750 --> 01:05:49,760
baptist

1721
01:05:54,390 --> 01:05:51,760
had planned to do the same i just

1722
01:05:56,710 --> 01:05:54,400
happened to have posted my letter

1723
01:05:58,470 --> 01:05:56,720
i guess a few days before him and so he

1724
01:05:59,510 --> 01:05:58,480
invited me over

1725
01:06:01,910 --> 01:05:59,520
and

1726
01:06:04,549 --> 01:06:01,920
that's when our little

1727
01:06:06,470 --> 01:06:04,559
love story started

1728
01:06:09,589 --> 01:06:06,480
okay hold on before we get into love

1729
01:06:13,910 --> 01:06:09,599
stories jesus

1730
01:06:16,789 --> 01:06:13,920
uh let's go to uh frank um

1731
01:06:21,670 --> 01:06:16,799
first of all yet um you know what what's

1732
01:06:23,270 --> 01:06:21,680
your role i guess in in uap ufos have

1733
01:06:26,870 --> 01:06:23,280
you seen one

1734
01:06:32,309 --> 01:06:29,829
i am studying the ufo phenomenon since

1735
01:06:36,549 --> 01:06:32,319
10 years

1736
01:06:38,549 --> 01:06:36,559
i began to do historical research

1737
01:06:40,950 --> 01:06:38,559
in france

1738
01:06:42,069 --> 01:06:40,960
in europe and

1739
01:06:44,230 --> 01:06:42,079
even in

1740
01:06:45,589 --> 01:06:44,240
north american and south american

1741
01:06:48,710 --> 01:06:45,599
continental

1742
01:06:49,910 --> 01:06:48,720
i phoned many many achievements

1743
01:06:51,109 --> 01:06:49,920
and

1744
01:06:53,589 --> 01:06:51,119
i

1745
01:06:54,390 --> 01:06:53,599
that

1746
01:06:57,029 --> 01:06:54,400
the

1747
01:06:57,750 --> 01:06:57,039
ufo phenomenon is not natural

1748
01:06:59,829 --> 01:06:57,760
on

1749
01:07:02,390 --> 01:06:59,839
being drived by

1750
01:07:04,390 --> 01:07:02,400
unknown intelligence

1751
01:07:05,510 --> 01:07:04,400
and

1752
01:07:15,109 --> 01:07:05,520
i

1753
01:07:17,510 --> 01:07:15,119
effect

1754
01:07:20,710 --> 01:07:17,520
i'm also writing some books

1755
01:07:23,470 --> 01:07:20,720
the first of one is the books about you

1756
01:07:25,190 --> 01:07:23,480
for history until

1757
01:07:27,349 --> 01:07:25,200
2016.

1758
01:07:29,829 --> 01:07:27,359
on the second book

1759
01:07:32,390 --> 01:07:29,839
is called special enigma

1760
01:07:34,870 --> 01:07:32,400
on the aim

1761
01:07:37,349 --> 01:07:34,880
i am

1762
01:07:38,549 --> 01:07:37,359
presenting a subject about a special

1763
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:38,559
enema

1764
01:07:40,710 --> 01:07:39,450
like

1765
01:07:42,950 --> 01:07:40,720
[Music]

1766
01:07:46,870 --> 01:07:42,960
problem anomaly

1767
01:07:50,470 --> 01:07:46,880
on the around the sun in the moon on

1768
01:07:51,990 --> 01:07:50,480
mars and so on including euphores

1769
01:07:54,710 --> 01:07:52,000
since

1770
01:07:57,829 --> 01:07:54,720
several centuries

1771
01:07:58,950 --> 01:07:57,839
on now i belong to the movement called

1772
01:08:02,150 --> 01:07:58,960
sipo

1773
01:08:05,270 --> 01:08:02,160
and we try to promote uh serious

1774
01:08:07,829 --> 01:08:05,280
treatment of ufo in france

1775
01:08:09,349 --> 01:08:07,839
okay wow

1776
01:08:11,670 --> 01:08:09,359
baptiste

1777
01:08:14,630 --> 01:08:11,680
your turn

1778
01:08:19,669 --> 01:08:14,640
so i'm kind of new to the topic back in

1779
01:08:21,910 --> 01:08:19,679
2017 my students asked me what were ufos

1780
01:08:24,870 --> 01:08:21,920
and it was very puzzling for me because

1781
01:08:27,829 --> 01:08:24,880
i did not know the answer so i started

1782
01:08:30,149 --> 01:08:27,839
looking for it and two months later the

1783
01:08:33,110 --> 01:08:30,159
new york times articles eat that we are

1784
01:08:34,789 --> 01:08:33,120
celebrating the anniversary today and in

1785
01:08:36,950 --> 01:08:34,799
a very strange

1786
01:08:38,789 --> 01:08:36,960
kind of humor

1787
01:08:41,829 --> 01:08:38,799
yesterday the

1788
01:08:45,590 --> 01:08:41,839
day before the anniversary we had our

1789
01:08:49,110 --> 01:08:45,600
very first perfectly good french article

1790
01:08:51,990 --> 01:08:49,120
about the uap topic so it was very

1791
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:52,000
interesting to to read i will translate

1792
01:08:55,510 --> 01:08:53,930
it and spread it on you for twitter um

1793
01:08:57,669 --> 01:08:55,520
[Music]

1794
01:09:00,149 --> 01:08:57,679
it's really important that the americans

1795
01:09:01,910 --> 01:09:00,159
understand that they are pushing the

1796
01:09:05,269 --> 01:09:01,920
subject on

1797
01:09:07,430 --> 01:09:05,279
the the major area of the media it's

1798
01:09:08,550 --> 01:09:07,440
it's really important

1799
01:09:10,380 --> 01:09:08,560
yeah

1800
01:09:12,870 --> 01:09:10,390
um that's a lot of pressure

1801
01:09:15,749 --> 01:09:12,880
[Laughter]

1802
01:09:18,550 --> 01:09:15,759
uh graham what about you

1803
01:09:21,189 --> 01:09:18,560
i've been looking at uap ufos call them

1804
01:09:22,470 --> 01:09:21,199
what you will since the late 1970s so

1805
01:09:24,470 --> 01:09:22,480
i've been looking at this for quite a

1806
01:09:27,430 --> 01:09:24,480
long time um

1807
01:09:30,390 --> 01:09:27,440
wasn't so active in the sort of 1990s i

1808
01:09:32,470 --> 01:09:30,400
feel that was my kind of doldrums era

1809
01:09:35,189 --> 01:09:32,480
then the 2000s

1810
01:09:36,950 --> 01:09:35,199
when 2017 came along it was a real shot

1811
01:09:40,229 --> 01:09:36,960
in the arm not just for me but for

1812
01:09:40,950 --> 01:09:40,239
everybody everybody here certainly and

1813
01:09:42,950 --> 01:09:40,960
it

1814
01:09:44,950 --> 01:09:42,960
where you think you're never going to

1815
01:09:45,910 --> 01:09:44,960
say that in your lifetime and yet it

1816
01:09:48,470 --> 01:09:45,920
happened

1817
01:09:50,550 --> 01:09:48,480
um i felt it was also like an evolution

1818
01:09:52,229 --> 01:09:50,560
so we'd moved on from the kind of old

1819
01:09:54,149 --> 01:09:52,239
books that i used to read and the people

1820
01:09:56,070 --> 01:09:54,159
that i used to sort of you know listen

1821
01:09:58,630 --> 01:09:56,080
and read about and and see on

1822
01:10:00,390 --> 01:09:58,640
documentaries et cetera um it was always

1823
01:10:02,550 --> 01:10:00,400
about you know lights in the sky

1824
01:10:05,030 --> 01:10:02,560
they must be aliens from zeta reticuli

1825
01:10:07,350 --> 01:10:05,040
there's kind of these leaps in logic uh

1826
01:10:08,630 --> 01:10:07,360
whereas now we have we've evolved into

1827
01:10:10,390 --> 01:10:08,640
this kind of thing where we're not

1828
01:10:12,149 --> 01:10:10,400
entirely sure what's happening we're

1829
01:10:14,470 --> 01:10:12,159
sort of we're a bit more pragmatic

1830
01:10:17,510 --> 01:10:14,480
nowadays you know much more logical

1831
01:10:19,990 --> 01:10:17,520
we're not just racing to these strange

1832
01:10:22,550 --> 01:10:20,000
and crazy um kind of tinfoil hat

1833
01:10:24,630 --> 01:10:22,560
conclusions so you know the public can't

1834
01:10:26,709 --> 01:10:24,640
label people like us who look into this

1835
01:10:28,550 --> 01:10:26,719
subject as being nutters and fruitcakes

1836
01:10:31,110 --> 01:10:28,560
anymore you know and i think that's a

1837
01:10:33,590 --> 01:10:31,120
bit that credibility has really improved

1838
01:10:35,189 --> 01:10:33,600
in the whole subject and now obviously

1839
01:10:36,950 --> 01:10:35,199
with people like louisando and chris

1840
01:10:39,030 --> 01:10:36,960
mellon you know the people of impeccable

1841
01:10:41,189 --> 01:10:39,040
character but it's not just those people

1842
01:10:43,270 --> 01:10:41,199
there's hundreds and thousands of people

1843
01:10:44,950 --> 01:10:43,280
out there who have you know probably

1844
01:10:47,030 --> 01:10:44,960
proper representations that they're just

1845
01:10:48,870 --> 01:10:47,040
from all walks of life they're just

1846
01:10:50,630 --> 01:10:48,880
people like you and i professional

1847
01:10:52,470 --> 01:10:50,640
people people from you know the street

1848
01:10:55,030 --> 01:10:52,480
white collar workers blue collar workers

1849
01:10:56,550 --> 01:10:55,040
everybody and they're all interested in

1850
01:10:59,910 --> 01:10:56,560
this and they've all got something to

1851
01:11:01,430 --> 01:10:59,920
contribute and i think that's great and

1852
01:11:03,350 --> 01:11:01,440
you know i think it's lou might have

1853
01:11:05,270 --> 01:11:03,360
said something like you know one person

1854
01:11:07,590 --> 01:11:05,280
singing alone is just one person but

1855
01:11:09,270 --> 01:11:07,600
together they require and i think that's

1856
01:11:11,350 --> 01:11:09,280
true as well you know we're much better

1857
01:11:13,350 --> 01:11:11,360
as a group when we come together when we

1858
01:11:15,110 --> 01:11:13,360
do things like this when we talk to each

1859
01:11:16,229 --> 01:11:15,120
other when we offer each other mutual

1860
01:11:18,950 --> 01:11:16,239
support

1861
01:11:20,950 --> 01:11:18,960
and friendship and exchange knowledge

1862
01:11:22,950 --> 01:11:20,960
that can only be a good thing

1863
01:11:24,550 --> 01:11:22,960
yeah no

1864
01:11:26,550 --> 01:11:24,560
do you mind if i just jump in quickly

1865
01:11:29,030 --> 01:11:26,560
before i forget this is really for

1866
01:11:30,870 --> 01:11:29,040
guillaume baptiste franco or anybody

1867
01:11:32,870 --> 01:11:30,880
else's

1868
01:11:33,910 --> 01:11:32,880
the focus on france we hear little

1869
01:11:35,430 --> 01:11:33,920
things here and there but something

1870
01:11:37,910 --> 01:11:35,440
that's really stood out for me over the

1871
01:11:39,750 --> 01:11:37,920
past few years is the kameta reports

1872
01:11:41,510 --> 01:11:39,760
um which i assume you're familiar with

1873
01:11:43,430 --> 01:11:41,520
and i just wondered if if any of you

1874
01:11:45,669 --> 01:11:43,440
would mind explaining for anybody that

1875
01:11:47,830 --> 01:11:45,679
might not be quite familiar with it why

1876
01:11:51,030 --> 01:11:47,840
why it's important and what it entails

1877
01:11:54,390 --> 01:11:51,040
for kind of the french side of ufology

1878
01:11:56,709 --> 01:11:54,400
so for for a very long time

1879
01:11:58,390 --> 01:11:56,719
the french have been very intrigued by

1880
01:11:59,669 --> 01:11:58,400
the ufo phenomenon

1881
01:12:01,510 --> 01:11:59,679
and

1882
01:12:04,550 --> 01:12:01,520
we want to know what it is on the

1883
01:12:05,669 --> 01:12:04,560
scientific point of view so

1884
01:12:07,990 --> 01:12:05,679
back in

1885
01:12:10,790 --> 01:12:08,000
1977

1886
01:12:12,870 --> 01:12:10,800
we started the public office to gather

1887
01:12:13,990 --> 01:12:12,880
information about it and

1888
01:12:16,310 --> 01:12:14,000
discrete

1889
01:12:18,870 --> 01:12:16,320
scientific inquiries to starting

1890
01:12:21,590 --> 01:12:18,880
analyzing the data what is the phenomena

1891
01:12:23,110 --> 01:12:21,600
who is witnessing it where it happens

1892
01:12:26,870 --> 01:12:23,120
and

1893
01:12:34,709 --> 01:12:30,790
prince principally military personnel

1894
01:12:38,070 --> 01:12:34,719
former former officer

1895
01:12:40,550 --> 01:12:38,080
teacher in military school get together

1896
01:12:43,830 --> 01:12:40,560
created a free year

1897
01:12:45,030 --> 01:12:43,840
work of gathering every information they

1898
01:12:48,229 --> 01:12:45,040
could

1899
01:12:50,790 --> 01:12:48,239
about the topic and creating a report in

1900
01:12:53,350 --> 01:12:50,800
three parts a diagnostic of a situation

1901
01:12:54,790 --> 01:12:53,360
analysis of probable cause

1902
01:12:55,590 --> 01:12:54,800
and

1903
01:12:58,390 --> 01:12:55,600
what

1904
01:13:00,149 --> 01:12:58,400
the french government should do next it

1905
01:13:02,390 --> 01:13:00,159
was it was made outside the french

1906
01:13:04,709 --> 01:13:02,400
government but by

1907
01:13:06,229 --> 01:13:04,719
very high-ranking senior military

1908
01:13:09,110 --> 01:13:06,239
officer

1909
01:13:11,830 --> 01:13:09,120
and the reaction of the government was

1910
01:13:12,950 --> 01:13:11,840
non-existent and the press

1911
01:13:15,910 --> 01:13:12,960
hammered

1912
01:13:18,790 --> 01:13:15,920
every offer of a report and they

1913
01:13:21,030 --> 01:13:18,800
destroyed their reputation and it has

1914
01:13:23,510 --> 01:13:21,040
become silent for soviet committee is

1915
01:13:25,110 --> 01:13:23,520
the name of this association the title

1916
01:13:27,990 --> 01:13:25,120
of the report is

1917
01:13:29,030 --> 01:13:28,000
ufos and defense what to expect

1918
01:13:31,590 --> 01:13:29,040
and

1919
01:13:33,590 --> 01:13:31,600
it has just been erased from french

1920
01:13:34,709 --> 01:13:33,600
memory

1921
01:13:36,390 --> 01:13:34,719
yeah thank you

1922
01:13:39,830 --> 01:13:36,400
that's too bad so it's not a problem

1923
01:13:41,189 --> 01:13:39,840
that's unique to our country either

1924
01:13:43,910 --> 01:13:41,199
no no no

1925
01:13:45,350 --> 01:13:43,920
the cover is really strong and

1926
01:13:46,390 --> 01:13:45,360
everywhere

1927
01:13:47,430 --> 01:13:46,400
yeah

1928
01:13:49,189 --> 01:13:47,440
um

1929
01:13:52,550 --> 01:13:49,199
franklin in the uk as well vinnie is

1930
01:13:55,350 --> 01:13:52,560
that right the cover with with our mps

1931
01:13:56,630 --> 01:13:55,360
and our ministry of defense it's uh

1932
01:13:58,070 --> 01:13:56,640
there's a there's a phrase about things

1933
01:14:00,709 --> 01:13:58,080
being tighter than other ducks well you

1934
01:14:02,870 --> 01:14:00,719
know

1935
01:14:05,430 --> 01:14:02,880
so uh that's what we have to contend

1936
01:14:07,350 --> 01:14:05,440
with in the uk i'm afraid yeah there's a

1937
01:14:10,070 --> 01:14:07,360
layer of um so it's just it's basically

1938
01:14:12,870 --> 01:14:10,080
a brick wall and the hiding behind this

1939
01:14:15,750 --> 01:14:12,880
50 years worth of nothing happening and

1940
01:14:18,149 --> 01:14:15,760
every time anything so asked of the mod

1941
01:14:20,310 --> 01:14:18,159
or our mps it's oh yes nothing of

1942
01:14:21,990 --> 01:14:20,320
significance has happened in 50 years so

1943
01:14:23,750 --> 01:14:22,000
we're not even going to talk about it

1944
01:14:26,310 --> 01:14:23,760
when they're now even saying that they

1945
01:14:29,669 --> 01:14:26,320
haven't actually seen the classified

1946
01:14:31,510 --> 01:14:29,679
version of the preliminary report

1947
01:14:33,030 --> 01:14:31,520
yeah but didn't we also find out this

1948
01:14:36,390 --> 01:14:33,040
week that

1949
01:14:38,550 --> 01:14:36,400
gchq have access to places where the

1950
01:14:40,950 --> 01:14:38,560
report has been so it shows that there's

1951
01:14:43,669 --> 01:14:40,960
a lack of communication within the uk or

1952
01:14:45,430 --> 01:14:43,679
just a lack of interest

1953
01:14:49,030 --> 01:14:45,440
yeah but i mean you'd like to think that

1954
01:14:50,950 --> 01:14:49,040
someone in gchq would maybe contact mod

1955
01:14:52,149 --> 01:14:50,960
and go have you seen this

1956
01:14:53,830 --> 01:14:52,159
even for

1957
01:14:55,350 --> 01:14:53,840
you know just as a nonchalant

1958
01:14:56,630 --> 01:14:55,360
conversation

1959
01:14:58,630 --> 01:14:56,640
you know you'd think there'd just be

1960
01:14:59,910 --> 01:14:58,640
some communication even if it was on a

1961
01:15:02,390 --> 01:14:59,920
minimal level

1962
01:15:05,510 --> 01:15:02,400
you know behind closed doors not even an

1963
01:15:07,669 --> 01:15:05,520
unofficial kind of business let's say

1964
01:15:09,110 --> 01:15:07,679
but it just seems like you mentioned a

1965
01:15:10,790 --> 01:15:09,120
brick wall it

1966
01:15:13,030 --> 01:15:10,800
it i mean every brick wall can be

1967
01:15:14,470 --> 01:15:13,040
knocked down that's one thing i will say

1968
01:15:16,390 --> 01:15:14,480
it just might take this one a little bit

1969
01:15:19,350 --> 01:15:16,400
longer the foundations may be deeper but

1970
01:15:21,189 --> 01:15:19,360
hey we're not gonna stop

1971
01:15:23,510 --> 01:15:21,199
and there is a real difference between

1972
01:15:24,470 --> 01:15:23,520
the cover in france and in the uk in the

1973
01:15:26,790 --> 01:15:24,480
uk

1974
01:15:28,550 --> 01:15:26,800
the government is against it we can't

1975
01:15:30,950 --> 01:15:28,560
say the same in france in france it's

1976
01:15:33,350 --> 01:15:30,960
very much the ego of the journalists

1977
01:15:36,149 --> 01:15:33,360
that have been told that this subject is

1978
01:15:38,950 --> 01:15:36,159
ridiculed and it's not worth your time

1979
01:15:42,870 --> 01:15:38,960
and we we fight against that but the

1980
01:15:44,950 --> 01:15:42,880
government is silent but we have public

1981
01:15:45,669 --> 01:15:44,960
offices we have laboratories working on

1982
01:15:58,630 --> 01:15:45,679
it

1983
01:16:01,430 --> 01:15:58,640
very advanced scientific research so in

1984
01:16:04,470 --> 01:16:01,440
the uk i have a lot a lot of sympathy

1985
01:16:06,470 --> 01:16:04,480
for you because it's much harder to work

1986
01:16:08,070 --> 01:16:06,480
on that subject in the uk but then in

1987
01:16:08,790 --> 01:16:08,080
france

1988
01:16:10,630 --> 01:16:08,800
yeah

1989
01:16:11,910 --> 01:16:10,640
it seems like that it's always been that

1990
01:16:13,189 --> 01:16:11,920
way go ahead frank you were going to say

1991
01:16:14,070 --> 01:16:13,199
something

1992
01:16:16,630 --> 01:16:14,080
yes

1993
01:16:18,229 --> 01:16:16,640
uh for example in the uk you have the

1994
01:16:19,430 --> 01:16:18,239
calvin kass

1995
01:16:22,950 --> 01:16:19,440
the

1996
01:16:26,189 --> 01:16:25,110
it will be released

1997
01:16:32,550 --> 01:16:26,199
in

1998
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:35,510
76

1999
01:16:38,870 --> 01:16:37,030
well they're in for a rude awakening

2000
01:16:40,709 --> 01:16:38,880
when this whole live forever thing

2001
01:16:42,390 --> 01:16:40,719
finally happened

2002
01:16:43,110 --> 01:16:42,400
the thing is well well we'll say with

2003
01:17:00,229 --> 01:16:43,120
the

2004
01:17:02,550 --> 01:17:00,239
object that are withheld so it could be

2005
01:17:04,870 --> 01:17:02,560
that 2076 comes along

2006
01:17:08,310 --> 01:17:04,880
the file is opened and

2007
01:17:10,310 --> 01:17:08,320
no photos it is purely the identity

2008
01:17:12,229 --> 01:17:10,320
of the witnesses and that's what it sort

2009
01:17:13,669 --> 01:17:12,239
of points towards at the moment

2010
01:17:15,510 --> 01:17:13,679
the photographs

2011
01:17:17,430 --> 01:17:15,520
who knows where they are they could be

2012
01:17:19,110 --> 01:17:17,440
buried within mod somewhere they could

2013
01:17:21,430 --> 01:17:19,120
well be in the pentagon somewhere as

2014
01:17:22,470 --> 01:17:21,440
well we just don't know at this point

2015
01:17:24,950 --> 01:17:22,480
but you know there's some good people

2016
01:17:27,350 --> 01:17:24,960
working on this case so

2017
01:17:28,630 --> 01:17:27,360
who knows what's going to happen

2018
01:17:31,270 --> 01:17:28,640
yeah

2019
01:17:33,830 --> 01:17:31,280
no that's that's a little frustrating

2020
01:17:36,870 --> 01:17:33,840
but i think uh you know as baptiste said

2021
01:17:38,470 --> 01:17:36,880
if uh the good old usa keeps uh pressure

2022
01:17:39,590 --> 01:17:38,480
going maybe other people will follow

2023
01:17:41,750 --> 01:17:39,600
right

2024
01:17:46,310 --> 01:17:41,760
yeah i mean for better for offer worse

2025
01:17:47,990 --> 01:17:46,320
batista is really right on this the us

2026
01:17:49,669 --> 01:17:48,000
everything that happens in the u.s

2027
01:17:51,990 --> 01:17:49,679
ripples over

2028
01:17:54,390 --> 01:17:52,000
to the other side of the uh of the ocean

2029
01:17:57,830 --> 01:17:54,400
uh and i mean sure enough

2030
01:17:58,920 --> 01:17:57,840
i mean uh no offense sean but you

2031
01:18:01,590 --> 01:17:58,930
started it

2032
01:18:03,750 --> 01:18:01,600
[Laughter]

2033
01:18:05,430 --> 01:18:03,760
not you specifically obviously but uh i

2034
01:18:06,950 --> 01:18:05,440
mean

2035
01:18:10,149 --> 01:18:06,960
it's only normal that

2036
01:18:13,189 --> 01:18:10,159
the resolution of that problem

2037
01:18:15,590 --> 01:18:13,199
should come from uh from the u.s i i'm

2038
01:18:17,590 --> 01:18:15,600
i'm joking in a way but i mean uh

2039
01:18:20,950 --> 01:18:17,600
there's certainly uh an influence that

2040
01:18:23,030 --> 01:18:20,960
is i mean undeniable it's not a very

2041
01:18:25,510 --> 01:18:23,040
pleasant feeling for for some people in

2042
01:18:26,550 --> 01:18:25,520
france to know that we are pretty much

2043
01:18:27,350 --> 01:18:26,560
bound

2044
01:18:29,830 --> 01:18:27,360
by

2045
01:18:31,510 --> 01:18:29,840
whatever will happen or not and that's

2046
01:18:35,270 --> 01:18:31,520
why i actually uh

2047
01:18:36,550 --> 01:18:35,280
i participated in the uh uh in the

2048
01:18:39,270 --> 01:18:36,560
effort in

2049
01:18:41,430 --> 01:18:39,280
writing to us senators you know for a

2050
01:18:43,750 --> 01:18:41,440
brand amendment even though i i mean

2051
01:18:45,910 --> 01:18:43,760
friends you know so i had to lie in the

2052
01:18:47,830 --> 01:18:45,920
little form on the websites of the

2053
01:18:51,030 --> 01:18:47,840
senators

2054
01:18:52,950 --> 01:18:51,040
sure i live in massachusetts okay

2055
01:18:55,189 --> 01:18:52,960
but i i still mentioned that i was

2056
01:18:59,270 --> 01:18:55,199
french you know in the body of the of

2057
01:19:01,669 --> 01:18:59,280
the message uh and and so i i sent

2058
01:19:05,270 --> 01:19:01,679
a hundred emails to the senators

2059
01:19:08,630 --> 01:19:05,280
and uh no idea if that had an impact but

2060
01:19:10,229 --> 01:19:08,640
i know that's my only chance uh to have

2061
01:19:12,630 --> 01:19:10,239
any sort of

2062
01:19:15,270 --> 01:19:12,640
impact you know in france

2063
01:19:17,590 --> 01:19:15,280
we just have very little influence it's

2064
01:19:19,270 --> 01:19:17,600
sad to say so you know i try to do my

2065
01:19:21,110 --> 01:19:19,280
best and if i have to do a bit of

2066
01:19:23,350 --> 01:19:21,120
activism over there in the states i'm

2067
01:19:24,870 --> 01:19:23,360
gonna do it did you sign it guillaume or

2068
01:19:26,180 --> 01:19:24,880
did you go with bill on that one just to

2069
01:19:28,149 --> 01:19:26,190
sound more american

2070
01:19:30,310 --> 01:19:28,159
[Music]

2071
01:19:31,910 --> 01:19:30,320
maybe i shouldn't no actually

2072
01:19:34,390 --> 01:19:31,920
actually you know

2073
01:19:38,070 --> 01:19:34,400
no of course i i wrote a video because i

2074
01:19:39,910 --> 01:19:38,080
also wanted to to explain to whatever

2075
01:19:43,110 --> 01:19:39,920
senator was writing to

2076
01:19:45,110 --> 01:19:43,120
that i was not american and that their

2077
01:19:46,470 --> 01:19:45,120
decision was going to affect not just

2078
01:19:47,990 --> 01:19:46,480
their country but also the other

2079
01:19:52,149 --> 01:19:48,000
countries yeah so i thought that was

2080
01:19:53,750 --> 01:19:52,159
kind of a you know an important argument

2081
01:19:55,510 --> 01:19:53,760
yeah i'm just aware that we need maybe

2082
01:19:56,790 --> 01:19:55,520
five percent maybe even one percent of

2083
01:19:58,950 --> 01:19:56,800
humor thrown in because he's gonna go on

2084
01:20:00,550 --> 01:19:58,960
for eight hours here so

2085
01:20:02,470 --> 01:20:00,560
i'm sure everyone in the chat as well

2086
01:20:04,149 --> 01:20:02,480
likes a little bit you know

2087
01:20:05,430 --> 01:20:04,159
we need to support the americans though

2088
01:20:07,270 --> 01:20:05,440
don't they because that's where the the

2089
01:20:09,030 --> 01:20:07,280
headway has been making being made at

2090
01:20:10,709 --> 01:20:09,040
the moment that's where the decisions

2091
01:20:12,470 --> 01:20:10,719
have been taken that's where the most

2092
01:20:14,229 --> 01:20:12,480
influential people are and that's where

2093
01:20:16,390 --> 01:20:14,239
a lot of possibly the evidence is as

2094
01:20:19,110 --> 01:20:16,400
well if you look at it you know that way

2095
01:20:20,629 --> 01:20:19,120
so you know that's where we can help we

2096
01:20:22,550 --> 01:20:20,639
can support things like the big phone

2097
01:20:24,470 --> 01:20:22,560
home like this initiative we can do

2098
01:20:28,070 --> 01:20:24,480
other things as well we can support the

2099
01:20:28,870 --> 01:20:28,080
people who who make decisions by as as

2100
01:20:30,950 --> 01:20:28,880
they're

2101
01:20:32,790 --> 01:20:30,960
you know writing to them and saying look

2102
01:20:35,270 --> 01:20:32,800
it's not just america this has a

2103
01:20:37,270 --> 01:20:35,280
worldwide effect but that's where we can

2104
01:20:38,629 --> 01:20:37,280
help us probably might be at the moment

2105
01:20:40,629 --> 01:20:38,639
when we are banging our heads against

2106
01:20:43,510 --> 01:20:40,639
brick walls in our respective countries

2107
01:20:46,870 --> 01:20:43,520
is where we can make the most headway

2108
01:20:50,149 --> 01:20:46,880
yeah and you know speaking of headway

2109
01:20:52,070 --> 01:20:50,159
this person who just come at the tier

2110
01:20:53,110 --> 01:20:52,080
if you're not familiar with him he has

2111
01:20:55,590 --> 01:20:53,120
done a lot

2112
01:20:58,470 --> 01:20:55,600
for the uap uh world

2113
01:21:01,669 --> 01:20:58,480
uh for sure in writing amazing pieces

2114
01:21:03,510 --> 01:21:01,679
promoting amazing stuff um and i'm just

2115
01:21:05,910 --> 01:21:03,520
honored that he's actually here and

2116
01:21:09,990 --> 01:21:05,920
commenting so shout out to

2117
01:21:12,310 --> 01:21:10,000
shout out to him real quick hiya cam

2118
01:21:14,709 --> 01:21:12,320
yeah that no that's funny that you're uh

2119
01:21:16,950 --> 01:21:14,719
writing america for i remember seeing

2120
01:21:19,110 --> 01:21:16,960
that on twitter

2121
01:21:21,510 --> 01:21:19,120
right and i'm like holy cow i mean even

2122
01:21:24,229 --> 01:21:21,520
this guy's doing that so like we really

2123
01:21:27,669 --> 01:21:24,239
have no excuse not to do it here right

2124
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:27,679
and i really do hope that you signed it

2125
01:21:32,550 --> 01:21:30,250
um your french cowboy bill

2126
01:21:33,750 --> 01:21:32,560
[Laughter]

2127
01:21:36,550 --> 01:21:33,760
yeah but

2128
01:21:38,390 --> 01:21:36,560
um amazing so uh

2129
01:21:40,229 --> 01:21:38,400
break mr moran

2130
01:21:44,550 --> 01:21:40,239
how do you see

2131
01:21:46,470 --> 01:21:44,560
yourself moving forward in france

2132
01:21:48,470 --> 01:21:46,480
um with the

2133
01:21:51,189 --> 01:21:48,480
you know new investigations legal

2134
01:21:54,149 --> 01:21:51,199
investigations that we have going on now

2135
01:21:56,550 --> 01:21:54,159
here in america will that help you do

2136
01:21:57,990 --> 01:21:56,560
you think or or or change anything for

2137
01:22:00,709 --> 01:21:58,000
you

2138
01:22:04,229 --> 01:22:00,719
uh yes i think that this investigation

2139
01:22:05,910 --> 01:22:04,239
in america are a very good point for all

2140
01:22:08,629 --> 01:22:05,920
other countries the world

2141
01:22:11,830 --> 01:22:08,639
i continue that in france

2142
01:22:15,750 --> 01:22:11,840
beginning 2017

2143
01:22:17,510 --> 01:22:15,760
with the article of new york times

2144
01:22:20,149 --> 01:22:17,520
some newspapers

2145
01:22:25,430 --> 01:22:23,510
been interested by this information and

2146
01:22:27,270 --> 01:22:25,440
begin to speak about it

2147
01:22:28,790 --> 01:22:27,280
and in

2148
01:22:31,430 --> 01:22:28,800
on this year

2149
01:22:34,149 --> 01:22:31,440
with the pentagon reporter this small

2150
01:22:36,950 --> 01:22:34,159
pentagon report some news people have

2151
01:22:39,910 --> 01:22:36,960
decided to look more

2152
01:22:43,030 --> 01:22:39,920
on the they began to make a serious

2153
01:22:47,910 --> 01:22:45,750
not all but but some

2154
01:22:49,350 --> 01:22:47,920
so i think it's a good beginning

2155
01:22:51,830 --> 01:22:49,360
on the

2156
01:22:53,270 --> 01:22:51,840
some number of the people have been

2157
01:22:54,550 --> 01:22:53,280
interviewed

2158
01:22:57,830 --> 01:22:54,560
by this

2159
01:23:01,910 --> 01:22:57,840
this newspaper and media on the most of

2160
01:23:03,990 --> 01:23:01,920
the time it was serious not seriously

2161
01:23:05,510 --> 01:23:04,000
we saw that

2162
01:23:07,189 --> 01:23:05,520
many journalists

2163
01:23:09,270 --> 01:23:07,199
don't know

2164
01:23:12,149 --> 01:23:09,280
nothing about ufos

2165
01:23:13,910 --> 01:23:12,159
they ask me for example what is a new

2166
01:23:16,629 --> 01:23:13,920
photist

2167
01:23:18,149 --> 01:23:16,639
what are the best cases in france

2168
01:23:20,629 --> 01:23:18,159
etc

2169
01:23:23,750 --> 01:23:20,639
so i think that we have uh

2170
01:23:27,590 --> 01:23:23,760
many many work to produce seruc to

2171
01:23:30,310 --> 01:23:27,600
interest to interest journalists on the

2172
01:23:31,110 --> 01:23:30,320
to take contact with politicians maybe

2173
01:23:33,669 --> 01:23:31,120
yeah

2174
01:23:35,270 --> 01:23:33,679
i have seen a couple of uh or one french

2175
01:23:37,270 --> 01:23:35,280
story from i think it was from quite a

2176
01:23:38,390 --> 01:23:37,280
mainstream media outlet in france

2177
01:23:40,629 --> 01:23:38,400
regarding

2178
01:23:42,870 --> 01:23:40,639
a case over a nuclear site with some

2179
01:23:44,950 --> 01:23:42,880
unknown and i will say drones because

2180
01:23:48,310 --> 01:23:44,960
that's how they reported it are any of

2181
01:23:52,470 --> 01:23:48,320
you guys familiar with that case at all

2182
01:23:53,990 --> 01:23:52,480
yes there have been a great wave of u4

2183
01:23:59,830 --> 01:23:54,000
about

2184
01:24:00,830 --> 01:23:59,840
on above nuclear plant it was in 2014

2185
01:24:05,189 --> 01:24:00,840
and

2186
01:24:07,350 --> 01:24:05,199
2015 on the 1515

2187
01:24:09,590 --> 01:24:07,360
nuclear plant above

2188
01:24:11,830 --> 01:24:09,600
19 were

2189
01:24:13,830 --> 01:24:11,840
visited by a

2190
01:24:16,550 --> 01:24:13,840
very strange drone

2191
01:24:17,910 --> 01:24:16,560
because those drones were quicker

2192
01:24:19,830 --> 01:24:17,920
they

2193
01:24:20,870 --> 01:24:19,840
were able to

2194
01:24:24,310 --> 01:24:20,880
fly

2195
01:24:25,750 --> 01:24:24,320
faster than military helicopters

2196
01:24:27,030 --> 01:24:25,760
by night

2197
01:24:29,830 --> 01:24:27,040
under there

2198
01:24:34,550 --> 01:24:29,840
they were never taken

2199
01:24:37,590 --> 01:24:34,560
some say it was terrorist it was

2200
01:24:39,189 --> 01:24:37,600
it was ecologist but no proof

2201
01:24:41,270 --> 01:24:39,199
we

2202
01:24:43,669 --> 01:24:41,280
and it's

2203
01:24:46,070 --> 01:24:43,679
very very strange to see uh so many

2204
01:24:49,990 --> 01:24:46,080
drones and there were

2205
01:24:52,470 --> 01:24:50,000
there was also a case in 2018

2206
01:24:53,990 --> 01:24:52,480
on this old nuclear plant called

2207
01:24:57,030 --> 01:24:54,000
fascinaime

2208
01:24:59,990 --> 01:24:57,040
and there was a plant

2209
01:25:01,669 --> 01:25:00,000
i would say a protest by the director of

2210
01:25:03,830 --> 01:25:01,679
the nuclear plant

2211
01:25:04,950 --> 01:25:03,840
because an unknown

2212
01:25:07,830 --> 01:25:04,960
plane

2213
01:25:10,790 --> 01:25:07,840
cross over the nuclear plant but we have

2214
01:25:16,070 --> 01:25:13,510
who tells that there is several trillion

2215
01:25:19,830 --> 01:25:16,080
goals over this uh

2216
01:25:24,229 --> 01:25:21,350
what's what's the french government's

2217
01:25:27,510 --> 01:25:24,239
official stand on an ovnis is that what

2218
01:25:30,149 --> 01:25:27,520
would you call it

2219
01:25:32,070 --> 01:25:30,159
you have a baptist i think

2220
01:25:34,550 --> 01:25:32,080
oh there are none

2221
01:25:38,070 --> 01:25:34,560
an official statement by the

2222
01:25:41,510 --> 01:25:38,080
political core doesn't exist um

2223
01:25:44,390 --> 01:25:41,520
what we what we what you can have is

2224
01:25:46,950 --> 01:25:44,400
scientists saying um we are working on

2225
01:25:49,910 --> 01:25:46,960
it uh we are investigating it

2226
01:25:55,990 --> 01:25:53,110
it never reached the point that

2227
01:25:57,669 --> 01:25:56,000
the government published a statement you

2228
01:26:00,070 --> 01:25:57,679
you have some statements made by the

2229
01:26:01,030 --> 01:26:00,080
government but 20 years ago

2230
01:26:04,229 --> 01:26:01,040
right

2231
01:26:05,750 --> 01:26:04,239
yeah does uh mr valet ever help out over

2232
01:26:08,390 --> 01:26:05,760
there

2233
01:26:10,550 --> 01:26:08,400
oh let's be in french and everything

2234
01:26:13,990 --> 01:26:10,560
yeah

2235
01:26:16,229 --> 01:26:14,000
um and which how so

2236
01:26:17,990 --> 01:26:16,239
so above the

2237
01:26:20,070 --> 01:26:18,000
for my intelligence friends that are

2238
01:26:23,910 --> 01:26:20,080
listening to me he said it publicly in

2239
01:26:26,709 --> 01:26:23,920
the jorgen interview so kind of bash me

2240
01:26:29,750 --> 01:26:26,719
he explained that japan was there to

2241
01:26:33,030 --> 01:26:29,760
gather and filter out interesting

2242
01:26:35,350 --> 01:26:33,040
reports about ufos and above it the most

2243
01:26:37,750 --> 01:26:35,360
interesting case were investigated

2244
01:26:39,189 --> 01:26:37,760
by a public committee

2245
01:26:42,229 --> 01:26:39,199
with

2246
01:26:44,870 --> 01:26:42,239
12 to 20 experts on it depending on the

2247
01:26:46,870 --> 01:26:44,880
case and the question was what happens

2248
01:26:48,870 --> 01:26:46,880
to these reports that are

2249
01:26:50,629 --> 01:26:48,880
extremely

2250
01:26:53,510 --> 01:26:50,639
weird uh

2251
01:26:56,310 --> 01:26:53,520
very well verified and

2252
01:26:58,870 --> 01:26:56,320
the problem is that nothing happens

2253
01:27:01,189 --> 01:26:58,880
beyond that beyond that point

2254
01:27:02,629 --> 01:27:01,199
yeah no i hear you

2255
01:27:05,590 --> 01:27:02,639
um

2256
01:27:08,070 --> 01:27:05,600
so yeah that's it it has to be somewhat

2257
01:27:10,310 --> 01:27:08,080
frustrating knowing

2258
01:27:12,950 --> 01:27:10,320
how to continue you know when maybe your

2259
01:27:14,790 --> 01:27:12,960
best resources or technology to figure

2260
01:27:16,149 --> 01:27:14,800
out what's going on

2261
01:27:17,750 --> 01:27:16,159
isn't really

2262
01:27:19,350 --> 01:27:17,760
being used

2263
01:27:21,270 --> 01:27:19,360
is that accuracy

2264
01:27:23,669 --> 01:27:21,280
yes yes

2265
01:27:25,350 --> 01:27:23,679
but the problem is that you have a

2266
01:27:27,270 --> 01:27:25,360
national security that is involved

2267
01:27:30,149 --> 01:27:27,280
beyond that point because

2268
01:27:32,149 --> 01:27:30,159
uh for example if russia that is

2269
01:27:33,669 --> 01:27:32,159
extremely aggressive right now on the

2270
01:27:36,310 --> 01:27:33,679
ukraine border

2271
01:27:38,470 --> 01:27:36,320
is trying to identify where french

2272
01:27:41,270 --> 01:27:38,480
forces are and the time they will need

2273
01:27:42,229 --> 01:27:41,280
to deploy to protect ukraine they will

2274
01:27:45,830 --> 01:27:42,239
send

2275
01:27:49,030 --> 01:27:45,840
very high speed drones to locate us

2276
01:27:52,709 --> 01:27:49,040
what the satellite can identify so you

2277
01:27:55,830 --> 01:27:52,719
can perfectly have uaps that are not

2278
01:27:56,790 --> 01:27:55,840
identified but really are very advanced

2279
01:27:59,430 --> 01:27:56,800
uh

2280
01:28:00,870 --> 01:27:59,440
recognizance drones sent by foreign

2281
01:28:03,910 --> 01:28:00,880
nations so

2282
01:28:05,750 --> 01:28:03,920
until it's proven that it is not that

2283
01:28:07,669 --> 01:28:05,760
it's really hard for the intelligence

2284
01:28:08,870 --> 01:28:07,679
service to declassify

2285
01:28:15,350 --> 01:28:08,880
such

2286
01:28:16,870 --> 01:28:15,360
very old data but also very accurate

2287
01:28:20,149 --> 01:28:16,880
from a time that

2288
01:28:22,390 --> 01:28:20,159
we had military radar that didn't have

2289
01:28:25,910 --> 01:28:22,400
an automatic filter so everything

2290
01:28:27,990 --> 01:28:25,920
recorded was seen on the screen computer

2291
01:28:30,470 --> 01:28:28,000
and everything was noted in a log book

2292
01:28:32,229 --> 01:28:30,480
and these logbooks still exist but they

2293
01:28:34,470 --> 01:28:32,239
are very hard to

2294
01:28:37,189 --> 01:28:34,480
to obtain from the military and we are

2295
01:28:38,709 --> 01:28:37,199
we are several working on that point

2296
01:28:39,990 --> 01:28:38,719
graeme i just wanted to ask if you've

2297
01:28:41,270 --> 01:28:40,000
come across merch obviously i think

2298
01:28:43,030 --> 01:28:41,280
you've come across quite a lot of french

2299
01:28:44,870 --> 01:28:43,040
things with regards to foo fighters from

2300
01:28:47,270 --> 01:28:44,880
the 40s have you come across anything

2301
01:28:48,870 --> 01:28:47,280
kind of after the war good question yeah

2302
01:28:50,470 --> 01:28:48,880
um i'm working on something at the

2303
01:28:52,470 --> 01:28:50,480
moment which is to do with the early

2304
01:28:54,390 --> 01:28:52,480
1850s that's all i'm about to say at the

2305
01:28:57,430 --> 01:28:54,400
moment but yeah there's a lot of

2306
01:28:59,430 --> 01:28:57,440
documentation to do with that as well um

2307
01:29:01,110 --> 01:28:59,440
i mean sean knows you've looked into

2308
01:29:03,830 --> 01:29:01,120
this kind you know that this area as

2309
01:29:05,910 --> 01:29:03,840
well so there are a lot of sightings of

2310
01:29:08,070 --> 01:29:05,920
what now would be called drones the

2311
01:29:10,870 --> 01:29:08,080
lights moving very very quickly around

2312
01:29:12,950 --> 01:29:10,880
civil airliners um in the sort of

2313
01:29:14,870 --> 01:29:12,960
vicinity of nuclear power plants even

2314
01:29:19,430 --> 01:29:14,880
and other research facilities and this

2315
01:29:21,510 --> 01:29:19,440
is in the early 1950s 50 51 52 so

2316
01:29:23,270 --> 01:29:21,520
there's quite a rich vein of reports

2317
01:29:25,430 --> 01:29:23,280
from back then and there are actually

2318
01:29:28,310 --> 01:29:25,440
some quite detailed sighting reports as

2319
01:29:30,149 --> 01:29:28,320
well but this is the kind of time when

2320
01:29:32,629 --> 01:29:30,159
the american government and

2321
01:29:34,470 --> 01:29:32,639
pure like air material command

2322
01:29:36,870 --> 01:29:34,480
atec that you mentioned before they're

2323
01:29:39,830 --> 01:29:36,880
all writing these things off um either

2324
01:29:43,030 --> 01:29:39,840
as balloons or other aircraft or just

2325
01:29:44,629 --> 01:29:43,040
stars venus all the usual tropes um and

2326
01:29:45,590 --> 01:29:44,639
they back it up with this kind of pseudo

2327
01:29:48,470 --> 01:29:45,600
science

2328
01:29:49,830 --> 01:29:48,480
in some ways um and of course blue books

2329
01:29:51,110 --> 01:29:49,840
started there as well there's quite a

2330
01:29:53,110 --> 01:29:51,120
lot of stuff in the in the blue book

2331
01:29:55,910 --> 01:29:53,120
files which you can find online if you

2332
01:29:57,750 --> 01:29:55,920
know where to look but in in those cases

2333
01:29:59,110 --> 01:29:57,760
as well they're quite happy just to

2334
01:30:01,590 --> 01:29:59,120
write it off to make the whole program

2335
01:30:02,950 --> 01:30:01,600
whole thing just go away it was

2336
01:30:04,390 --> 01:30:02,960
you can't work out whether actually it

2337
01:30:05,669 --> 01:30:04,400
was a source of embarrassment to the air

2338
01:30:08,070 --> 01:30:05,679
force because they couldn't do anything

2339
01:30:09,830 --> 01:30:08,080
about it or they genuinely believed that

2340
01:30:11,110 --> 01:30:09,840
there was just nothing going on or at

2341
01:30:13,430 --> 01:30:11,120
least the people who had some kind of

2342
01:30:16,310 --> 01:30:13,440
clout that is or whether there was just

2343
01:30:17,910 --> 01:30:16,320
a head in the sand mentality um you know

2344
01:30:19,590 --> 01:30:17,920
there's a whole lot of things going on

2345
01:30:21,990 --> 01:30:19,600
and i'm not abreast of you know which

2346
01:30:23,830 --> 01:30:22,000
one is the actual truth because i don't

2347
01:30:25,430 --> 01:30:23,840
think anybody is at this stage i think

2348
01:30:26,950 --> 01:30:25,440
people have theories and there's a lot

2349
01:30:28,870 --> 01:30:26,960
of suggestion and there's a lot of

2350
01:30:30,390 --> 01:30:28,880
people who make educated guesses but

2351
01:30:32,229 --> 01:30:30,400
actually knowing what the truth is back

2352
01:30:34,629 --> 01:30:32,239
then and because we're looking now what

2353
01:30:36,310 --> 01:30:34,639
70 years ago and more i think it's very

2354
01:30:37,750 --> 01:30:36,320
difficult to get into the heads of the

2355
01:30:40,709 --> 01:30:37,760
people who were making the decisions

2356
01:30:43,350 --> 01:30:40,719
then even like now and try to

2357
01:30:45,669 --> 01:30:43,360
work out what the hell was going on um

2358
01:30:47,669 --> 01:30:45,679
but yes to answer your question vinnie

2359
01:30:49,830 --> 01:30:47,679
there's a lot of documentation then it's

2360
01:30:51,830 --> 01:30:49,840
not as probably in terms of

2361
01:30:54,229 --> 01:30:51,840
what baptiste was saying about you know

2362
01:30:56,229 --> 01:30:54,239
radar tapes and about this kind of rich

2363
01:30:58,229 --> 01:30:56,239
information that you can actually use to

2364
01:31:00,550 --> 01:30:58,239
determine things you're only going on

2365
01:31:02,629 --> 01:31:00,560
oral test oral and written testimony in

2366
01:31:04,310 --> 01:31:02,639
menu in many respects there's not much

2367
01:31:06,550 --> 01:31:04,320
else to go on because the radar then

2368
01:31:08,070 --> 01:31:06,560
were much less sophisticated but in

2369
01:31:09,750 --> 01:31:08,080
terms of looking at is the historical

2370
01:31:12,149 --> 01:31:09,760
perspective to find out what they were

2371
01:31:14,310 --> 01:31:12,159
looking at and comparing that to now

2372
01:31:15,590 --> 01:31:14,320
that's very important that's very very

2373
01:31:18,229 --> 01:31:15,600
useful

2374
01:31:19,830 --> 01:31:18,239
uh we have another guest that i'm going

2375
01:31:21,110 --> 01:31:19,840
to bring in here

2376
01:31:23,510 --> 01:31:21,120
um

2377
01:31:25,830 --> 01:31:23,520
how hi how are you is it miriam hello

2378
01:31:28,830 --> 01:31:25,840
hello every everyone

2379
01:31:34,070 --> 01:31:31,990
hello our uh thank you so much for

2380
01:31:35,830 --> 01:31:34,080
joining us i do appreciate that

2381
01:31:39,830 --> 01:31:35,840
thank you thank you

2382
01:31:40,550 --> 01:31:39,840
yeah uh okay i'm going to introduce me

2383
01:31:45,189 --> 01:31:40,560
to

2384
01:31:48,709 --> 01:31:46,870
yeah why don't you introduce yourself

2385
01:31:50,149 --> 01:31:48,719
and help us get to know you a little bit

2386
01:31:53,830 --> 01:31:50,159
okay okay

2387
01:31:55,510 --> 01:31:53,840
um so i'm an expert experiencer french

2388
01:31:57,030 --> 01:31:55,520
experiencer

2389
01:31:59,270 --> 01:31:57,040
and

2390
01:32:01,430 --> 01:31:59,280
i created a

2391
01:32:02,870 --> 01:32:01,440
non-profit organization

2392
01:32:04,709 --> 01:32:02,880
in france

2393
01:32:05,910 --> 01:32:04,719
to collect

2394
01:32:08,709 --> 01:32:05,920
everyone

2395
01:32:10,470 --> 01:32:08,719
who

2396
01:32:14,149 --> 01:32:10,480
has been abducted

2397
01:32:16,149 --> 01:32:14,159
because i've been abducted many times

2398
01:32:17,590 --> 01:32:16,159
and

2399
01:32:19,350 --> 01:32:17,600
i created an

2400
01:32:20,790 --> 01:32:19,360
association a nonprofit orgasm

2401
01:32:22,229 --> 01:32:20,800
organization

2402
01:32:24,229 --> 01:32:22,239
with the

2403
01:32:25,030 --> 01:32:24,239
psychologist

2404
01:32:27,750 --> 01:32:25,040
and

2405
01:32:32,709 --> 01:32:27,760
our the name of our association

2406
01:32:36,870 --> 01:32:32,719
association three is zero c e r o

2407
01:32:37,910 --> 01:32:36,880
like uh in usa sero international with

2408
01:32:39,270 --> 01:32:37,920
even

2409
01:32:41,110 --> 01:32:39,280
uh smith

2410
01:32:44,070 --> 01:32:41,120
maybe someone

2411
01:32:46,390 --> 01:32:44,080
knows it her some no

2412
01:32:47,830 --> 01:32:46,400
i bet the name yeah yeah

2413
01:32:51,990 --> 01:32:47,840
evan smith

2414
01:32:53,030 --> 01:32:52,000
so uh i credited cyril france

2415
01:32:54,390 --> 01:32:53,040
and

2416
01:32:57,270 --> 01:32:54,400
we are

2417
01:32:59,350 --> 01:32:57,280
we have a lot of abductees

2418
01:33:03,270 --> 01:32:59,360
in the association

2419
01:33:07,110 --> 01:33:03,280
and we we are helped by with the

2420
01:33:10,709 --> 01:33:07,120
psychologist hypnotist

2421
01:33:18,709 --> 01:33:12,870
so

2422
01:33:27,110 --> 01:33:23,110
and it still works now and

2423
01:33:29,750 --> 01:33:27,120
and we tried to to uh to go further

2424
01:33:31,590 --> 01:33:29,760
you know because uh at the beginning it

2425
01:33:35,990 --> 01:33:31,600
was really hard

2426
01:33:36,950 --> 01:33:36,000
but it's better now because we as frank

2427
01:33:39,910 --> 01:33:36,960
said

2428
01:33:42,629 --> 01:33:39,920
and guillaume i think

2429
01:33:44,070 --> 01:33:42,639
we have some reviews

2430
01:33:45,510 --> 01:33:44,080
uh some

2431
01:33:49,110 --> 01:33:45,520
papers

2432
01:33:50,390 --> 01:33:49,120
very serious and they they ask us they

2433
01:33:51,910 --> 01:33:50,400
interviewed

2434
01:33:52,629 --> 01:33:51,920
us to

2435
01:33:54,470 --> 01:33:52,639
with

2436
01:33:57,750 --> 01:33:54,480
very seriously

2437
01:33:59,669 --> 01:33:57,760
to know what happened to us and what

2438
01:34:01,910 --> 01:33:59,679
exactly as

2439
01:34:03,430 --> 01:34:01,920
what is an abductee

2440
01:34:05,990 --> 01:34:03,440
and

2441
01:34:06,790 --> 01:34:06,000
yeah

2442
01:34:09,270 --> 01:34:06,800
um

2443
01:34:11,910 --> 01:34:09,280
how what's the best way to explain that

2444
01:34:18,070 --> 01:34:15,110
the best to to to know what an abductee

2445
01:34:18,790 --> 01:34:18,080
is you mean yeah if someone is asking

2446
01:34:20,310 --> 01:34:18,800
you

2447
01:34:24,070 --> 01:34:20,320
about it like that

2448
01:34:25,669 --> 01:34:24,080
uh we tried to uh explain that to we

2449
01:34:26,950 --> 01:34:25,679
have been

2450
01:34:27,750 --> 01:34:26,960
we have met

2451
01:34:29,510 --> 01:34:27,760
uh

2452
01:34:32,149 --> 01:34:29,520
some aliens

2453
01:34:35,910 --> 01:34:32,159
it's very strange of of course in france

2454
01:34:37,990 --> 01:34:35,920
because because it's so crazy you know

2455
01:34:40,310 --> 01:34:38,000
but in usa

2456
01:34:43,910 --> 01:34:40,320
it's a long time that you

2457
01:34:45,430 --> 01:34:43,920
you have groups many groups

2458
01:34:48,470 --> 01:34:45,440
of abductees

2459
01:34:49,590 --> 01:34:48,480
but in france it's uh i would say it's

2460
01:34:52,070 --> 01:34:49,600
new

2461
01:34:55,109 --> 01:34:52,080
and very strange weird

2462
01:34:56,310 --> 01:34:55,119
word sorry and um

2463
01:34:59,510 --> 01:34:56,320
so

2464
01:35:03,990 --> 01:34:59,520
you know it's the the the

2465
01:35:06,229 --> 01:35:04,000
the country of pascal russo and so on

2466
01:35:07,350 --> 01:35:06,239
i mean they were

2467
01:35:11,750 --> 01:35:07,360
writers

2468
01:35:15,430 --> 01:35:11,760
for for many so for long ago and uh it's

2469
01:35:18,550 --> 01:35:15,440
um they want to in france they want to

2470
01:35:20,229 --> 01:35:18,560
that everything be logical you know and

2471
01:35:24,070 --> 01:35:20,239
um

2472
01:35:27,270 --> 01:35:24,080
and so we try to be serious and

2473
01:35:32,950 --> 01:35:30,390
we we have uh

2474
01:35:35,510 --> 01:35:32,960
more and more uh

2475
01:35:37,109 --> 01:35:35,520
i would say um

2476
01:35:39,350 --> 01:35:37,119
more

2477
01:35:41,270 --> 01:35:39,360
people coming to us

2478
01:35:44,870 --> 01:35:41,280
and uh listening

2479
01:35:47,430 --> 01:35:44,880
what we we were our experience

2480
01:35:49,990 --> 01:35:47,440
and um

2481
01:35:52,629 --> 01:35:50,000
and with the psychologist

2482
01:35:54,870 --> 01:35:52,639
it's a good thing to

2483
01:35:57,910 --> 01:35:54,880
they will be with us they help us

2484
01:36:00,950 --> 01:35:57,920
because in france you know

2485
01:36:03,990 --> 01:36:00,960
a psychologist

2486
01:36:06,229 --> 01:36:04,000
usually will never come with us

2487
01:36:08,390 --> 01:36:06,239
will never try to be with us because

2488
01:36:11,030 --> 01:36:08,400
it's so crazy

2489
01:36:13,910 --> 01:36:11,040
to see psychologists

2490
01:36:15,270 --> 01:36:13,920
like a doctor you know

2491
01:36:17,430 --> 01:36:15,280
uh

2492
01:36:20,070 --> 01:36:17,440
listening what happened and

2493
01:36:22,070 --> 01:36:20,080
analyzing what happened to us

2494
01:36:26,790 --> 01:36:22,080
so uh it's uh

2495
01:36:31,910 --> 01:36:29,270
miriam if you don't mind would you be

2496
01:36:34,310 --> 01:36:31,920
able to give us a sort of description of

2497
01:36:36,709 --> 01:36:34,320
either the beings or the craft that were

2498
01:36:39,430 --> 01:36:36,719
involved in your abductions yeah thank

2499
01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:39,440
you

2500
01:36:40,950 --> 01:36:39,850
um

2501
01:36:43,990 --> 01:36:40,960
[Music]

2502
01:36:47,590 --> 01:36:44,000
as as uh it was so

2503
01:36:49,590 --> 01:36:47,600
strange but it's like uh usa

2504
01:36:50,550 --> 01:36:49,600
i mean uh we we have

2505
01:36:52,790 --> 01:36:50,560
several

2506
01:36:54,870 --> 01:36:52,800
elements

2507
01:36:59,270 --> 01:36:54,880
species you know but

2508
01:37:01,030 --> 01:36:59,280
mainly it's they are grays you know

2509
01:37:03,109 --> 01:37:01,040
small grays and

2510
01:37:04,070 --> 01:37:03,119
tall grays

2511
01:37:07,270 --> 01:37:04,080
and

2512
01:37:09,990 --> 01:37:07,280
we have

2513
01:37:11,750 --> 01:37:10,000
other other aliens like

2514
01:37:13,590 --> 01:37:11,760
blue skin

2515
01:37:15,990 --> 01:37:13,600
people

2516
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:19,990
and tall white

2517
01:37:24,070 --> 01:37:22,950
and we have some others but the

2518
01:37:26,470 --> 01:37:24,080
mainly

2519
01:37:28,870 --> 01:37:26,480
grace you know and

2520
01:37:31,669 --> 01:37:28,880
yeah also we have

2521
01:37:33,030 --> 01:37:31,679
some reptilians

2522
01:37:35,910 --> 01:37:33,040
um

2523
01:37:39,350 --> 01:37:35,920
because we have some some people in the

2524
01:37:40,950 --> 01:37:39,360
association with the red students

2525
01:37:45,910 --> 01:37:40,960
sorry

2526
01:37:49,109 --> 01:37:45,920
mainly it's uh grace yes grace and uh

2527
01:37:50,870 --> 01:37:49,119
are you aware of the the the

2528
01:37:53,669 --> 01:37:50,880
the objects they take you into are they

2529
01:37:55,510 --> 01:37:53,679
sources or or triangles or

2530
01:37:57,990 --> 01:37:55,520
craft yeah yeah yeah

2531
01:37:59,750 --> 01:37:58,000
we we have uh

2532
01:38:00,790 --> 01:37:59,760
triangles yes

2533
01:38:05,189 --> 01:38:00,800
wow

2534
01:38:09,750 --> 01:38:06,550
i saw

2535
01:38:13,130 --> 01:38:09,760
uh eight times um

2536
01:38:14,550 --> 01:38:13,140
oh you fools but

2537
01:38:16,160 --> 01:38:14,560
[Music]

2538
01:38:24,950 --> 01:38:16,170
how do you

2539
01:38:27,990 --> 01:38:26,870
and triangle

2540
01:38:29,109 --> 01:38:28,000
and

2541
01:38:30,470 --> 01:38:29,119
balloon

2542
01:38:36,950 --> 01:38:30,480
like

2543
01:38:39,350 --> 01:38:37,750
so

2544
01:38:42,830 --> 01:38:39,360
yes i saw

2545
01:38:47,510 --> 01:38:45,910
cigar and um

2546
01:38:49,189 --> 01:38:47,520
and

2547
01:38:51,990 --> 01:38:49,199
like a ball

2548
01:38:53,189 --> 01:38:52,000
ball a red bone

2549
01:38:55,590 --> 01:38:53,199
and

2550
01:39:00,950 --> 01:38:55,600
but other people in the other session

2551
01:39:03,990 --> 01:39:00,960
they they saw uh triangles many times

2552
01:39:05,590 --> 01:39:04,000
black like my triangles

2553
01:39:06,310 --> 01:39:05,600
and um

2554
01:39:10,950 --> 01:39:06,320
but

2555
01:39:15,189 --> 01:39:13,189
um i have a question if you don't mind

2556
01:39:18,790 --> 01:39:15,199
there you go um

2557
01:39:21,270 --> 01:39:18,800
when an experiencer comes to you

2558
01:39:22,870 --> 01:39:21,280
is there a sort of protocol that they go

2559
01:39:26,550 --> 01:39:22,880
through

2560
01:39:29,750 --> 01:39:26,560
when you take their information

2561
01:39:33,590 --> 01:39:29,760
when someone i mean an abductee

2562
01:39:36,629 --> 01:39:33,600
he says or she says i've been abducted

2563
01:39:37,990 --> 01:39:36,639
uh we have a protocol you know uh i mean

2564
01:39:41,910 --> 01:39:38,000
they they

2565
01:39:43,350 --> 01:39:41,920
write they sent an email to our

2566
01:39:46,470 --> 01:39:43,360
dress mail

2567
01:39:47,830 --> 01:39:46,480
from cerro france to say reference

2568
01:39:50,870 --> 01:39:47,840
and then

2569
01:39:52,390 --> 01:39:50,880
we called back the the people

2570
01:39:54,790 --> 01:39:52,400
and we

2571
01:39:56,149 --> 01:39:54,800
talked together

2572
01:39:59,430 --> 01:39:56,159
and

2573
01:40:04,229 --> 01:39:59,440
first we have two two two um

2574
01:40:08,470 --> 01:40:07,590
we talked with with two twice twice i

2575
01:40:12,070 --> 01:40:08,480
mean

2576
01:40:14,229 --> 01:40:12,080
me or someone in the office

2577
01:40:18,229 --> 01:40:14,239
of the the association

2578
01:40:20,950 --> 01:40:18,239
take the call and we we talk together we

2579
01:40:25,669 --> 01:40:20,960
try to analyze what happened exactly

2580
01:40:29,669 --> 01:40:25,679
and what she saw was her his souls

2581
01:40:32,229 --> 01:40:29,679
uh you see i mean uh and

2582
01:40:33,030 --> 01:40:32,239
what happened exactly if

2583
01:40:35,510 --> 01:40:33,040
uh

2584
01:40:37,669 --> 01:40:35,520
they have some marks on on on

2585
01:40:39,830 --> 01:40:37,679
the body for example because we have

2586
01:40:41,109 --> 01:40:39,840
marks on the body too

2587
01:40:42,550 --> 01:40:41,119
and uh

2588
01:40:43,830 --> 01:40:42,560
sometimes

2589
01:40:46,390 --> 01:40:43,840
cheap

2590
01:40:47,990 --> 01:40:46,400
inside but we because we

2591
01:40:49,430 --> 01:40:48,000
we have

2592
01:40:51,430 --> 01:40:49,440
we we

2593
01:40:54,950 --> 01:40:51,440
made some radio or

2594
01:40:57,430 --> 01:40:54,960
graphi and something to to or scan a

2595
01:40:59,510 --> 01:40:57,440
scanner you know to to analyze if we

2596
01:41:01,109 --> 01:40:59,520
have a chip inside

2597
01:41:02,390 --> 01:41:01,119
and

2598
01:41:06,149 --> 01:41:02,400
we we talked

2599
01:41:09,990 --> 01:41:06,159
together we we listen very much

2600
01:41:13,030 --> 01:41:10,000
and then if we i think and or

2601
01:41:15,350 --> 01:41:13,040
someone in the the office

2602
01:41:18,629 --> 01:41:15,360
that it seems to be

2603
01:41:21,270 --> 01:41:18,639
correct or current or i mean

2604
01:41:22,149 --> 01:41:21,280
it seems to be

2605
01:41:23,750 --> 01:41:22,159
like

2606
01:41:26,870 --> 01:41:23,760
abduction

2607
01:41:29,510 --> 01:41:26,880
we transferred the call to the

2608
01:41:31,590 --> 01:41:29,520
psychologist then

2609
01:41:32,390 --> 01:41:31,600
and the psychologist called back the

2610
01:41:33,590 --> 01:41:32,400
person

2611
01:41:37,350 --> 01:41:33,600
and

2612
01:41:39,510 --> 01:41:37,360
she or her try she tries to

2613
01:41:40,550 --> 01:41:39,520
listen again

2614
01:41:43,590 --> 01:41:40,560
you know

2615
01:41:45,430 --> 01:41:43,600
with a technical

2616
01:41:46,629 --> 01:41:45,440
listening

2617
01:41:51,030 --> 01:41:46,639
and

2618
01:41:54,070 --> 01:41:51,040
agree

2619
01:41:55,990 --> 01:41:54,080
this person okay has been addicted

2620
01:41:57,270 --> 01:41:56,000
or not

2621
01:41:59,270 --> 01:41:57,280
but

2622
01:42:01,830 --> 01:41:59,280
it takes times you know

2623
01:42:05,750 --> 01:42:01,840
they can't come in in the in the

2624
01:42:07,830 --> 01:42:05,760
association at the first call

2625
01:42:08,870 --> 01:42:07,840
and then we have a we have

2626
01:42:09,990 --> 01:42:08,880
many

2627
01:42:11,430 --> 01:42:10,000
process

2628
01:42:13,430 --> 01:42:11,440
we have uh

2629
01:42:14,950 --> 01:42:13,440
groups we have

2630
01:42:18,550 --> 01:42:14,960
talking group

2631
01:42:22,310 --> 01:42:18,560
and we we have uh

2632
01:42:23,510 --> 01:42:22,320
we organize a meeting together and and

2633
01:42:26,390 --> 01:42:23,520
so on

2634
01:42:28,070 --> 01:42:26,400
during the the year you know

2635
01:42:29,990 --> 01:42:28,080
thank you i was just curious what that

2636
01:42:32,550 --> 01:42:30,000
looked like because it looks every uh it

2637
01:42:34,070 --> 01:42:32,560
looks different everywhere so thank you

2638
01:42:35,189 --> 01:42:34,080
sean i was just going to say megan t

2639
01:42:36,310 --> 01:42:35,199
made a good point there with that

2640
01:42:38,310 --> 01:42:36,320
comment you brought up weren't you going

2641
01:42:41,510 --> 01:42:38,320
to read that out

2642
01:42:42,870 --> 01:42:41,520
oh yeah sure i'll read it um let's see

2643
01:42:46,470 --> 01:42:42,880
i lost it

2644
01:42:50,790 --> 01:42:49,109
oh darn it oh well pontificator though

2645
01:42:51,830 --> 01:42:50,800
has a great point

2646
01:42:53,270 --> 01:42:51,840
um

2647
01:42:56,149 --> 01:42:53,280
do you notice

2648
01:42:58,149 --> 01:42:56,159
that was a good one penny by the way

2649
01:42:58,950 --> 01:42:58,159
have you noticed

2650
01:43:05,030 --> 01:42:58,960
what

2651
01:43:07,669 --> 01:43:05,040
you know abductees are told

2652
01:43:11,430 --> 01:43:07,679
by these beings whatever they may be

2653
01:43:14,310 --> 01:43:11,440
does it seem deceptive or is it seem

2654
01:43:16,310 --> 01:43:14,320
uniform like are they always kind of the

2655
01:43:18,070 --> 01:43:16,320
same things like for instance

2656
01:43:21,830 --> 01:43:18,080
you know there's a lot of

2657
01:43:24,709 --> 01:43:21,840
um apocalyptic things sometimes um with

2658
01:43:27,270 --> 01:43:24,719
nuclear weapons or you know destroying

2659
01:43:28,070 --> 01:43:27,280
your earth uh things of that sort

2660
01:43:30,870 --> 01:43:28,080
um

2661
01:43:34,229 --> 01:43:30,880
are you hearing a lot there of that type

2662
01:43:36,229 --> 01:43:34,239
of thing we we we have some you know

2663
01:43:39,270 --> 01:43:36,239
with the abductees it's

2664
01:43:40,550 --> 01:43:39,280
someone they they say that

2665
01:43:41,990 --> 01:43:40,560
um

2666
01:43:43,910 --> 01:43:42,000
they all

2667
01:43:44,870 --> 01:43:43,920
it's okay so

2668
01:43:46,470 --> 01:43:44,880
the the

2669
01:43:49,189 --> 01:43:46,480
addiction was

2670
01:43:51,590 --> 01:43:49,199
the contact was correct and the

2671
01:43:54,390 --> 01:43:51,600
feeling uh with the with the

2672
01:43:57,270 --> 01:43:54,400
love i would say with the

2673
01:43:58,950 --> 01:43:57,280
with friendship with the you know but

2674
01:44:00,229 --> 01:43:58,960
some others

2675
01:44:01,270 --> 01:44:00,239
they feel

2676
01:44:05,030 --> 01:44:01,280
really

2677
01:44:08,070 --> 01:44:05,040
scared you know

2678
01:44:09,830 --> 01:44:08,080
with the the the contact and they

2679
01:44:13,350 --> 01:44:09,840
the

2680
01:44:16,070 --> 01:44:13,360
friend

2681
01:44:18,070 --> 01:44:16,080
were not uh

2682
01:44:18,870 --> 01:44:18,080
you know at all

2683
01:44:22,390 --> 01:44:18,880
so

2684
01:44:24,390 --> 01:44:22,400
listening

2685
01:44:26,149 --> 01:44:24,400
many for uh

2686
01:44:27,990 --> 01:44:26,159
six years

2687
01:44:31,669 --> 01:44:28,000
a lot of people

2688
01:44:36,790 --> 01:44:31,679
adjectives

2689
01:44:39,350 --> 01:44:36,800
we noticed that um some of them are very

2690
01:44:42,950 --> 01:44:39,360
i would say

2691
01:44:45,430 --> 01:44:42,960
they they want the peace on our earth

2692
01:44:47,030 --> 01:44:45,440
they want to

2693
01:44:50,229 --> 01:44:47,040
that

2694
01:44:51,990 --> 01:44:50,239
the earth be preserved you know will

2695
01:44:55,270 --> 01:44:52,000
but some others

2696
01:44:56,390 --> 01:44:55,280
it's that is very difficult to us

2697
01:45:00,629 --> 01:44:56,400
to to

2698
01:45:03,510 --> 01:45:00,639
test or to know to uh not to test to

2699
01:45:06,229 --> 01:45:03,520
to try to understand who

2700
01:45:07,350 --> 01:45:06,239
are they and what they want exactly

2701
01:45:09,510 --> 01:45:07,360
because

2702
01:45:10,390 --> 01:45:09,520
it's almost like it's on purpose

2703
01:45:13,430 --> 01:45:10,400
yes

2704
01:45:14,870 --> 01:45:13,440
it's so um

2705
01:45:16,709 --> 01:45:14,880
it's so

2706
01:45:18,470 --> 01:45:16,719
complicated you know

2707
01:45:20,229 --> 01:45:18,480
because some of them

2708
01:45:21,910 --> 01:45:20,239
come to us

2709
01:45:24,870 --> 01:45:21,920
on a way

2710
01:45:27,189 --> 01:45:24,880
as a friend and after all they are not

2711
01:45:30,310 --> 01:45:27,199
friends at all

2712
01:45:31,430 --> 01:45:30,320
during the addiction and and so on after

2713
01:45:34,709 --> 01:45:31,440
after

2714
01:45:35,750 --> 01:45:34,719
time or

2715
01:45:37,750 --> 01:45:35,760
so

2716
01:45:39,350 --> 01:45:37,760
it's difficult you know very difficult

2717
01:45:42,790 --> 01:45:39,360
to

2718
01:45:44,629 --> 01:45:42,800
you know you're probably wrestle with

2719
01:45:46,790 --> 01:45:44,639
the idea of

2720
01:45:49,030 --> 01:45:46,800
is it a real craft

2721
01:45:51,270 --> 01:45:49,040
that i'm in or is

2722
01:45:52,950 --> 01:45:51,280
this some sort of control system for

2723
01:45:55,189 --> 01:45:52,960
instance or

2724
01:45:58,310 --> 01:45:55,199
you know a projection of some sort that

2725
01:45:59,590 --> 01:45:58,320
i'm looking at by other beings or what

2726
01:46:02,550 --> 01:45:59,600
have you

2727
01:46:05,430 --> 01:46:02,560
um you know are these

2728
01:46:06,870 --> 01:46:05,440
bodies or what they see you know

2729
01:46:09,430 --> 01:46:06,880
whatever the

2730
01:46:11,590 --> 01:46:09,440
non-human entity wants you to see not

2731
01:46:13,510 --> 01:46:11,600
necessarily what it is

2732
01:46:16,390 --> 01:46:13,520
you know um

2733
01:46:18,790 --> 01:46:16,400
so yeah um i think saying complicated

2734
01:46:20,870 --> 01:46:18,800
probably is is the least you could say

2735
01:46:22,470 --> 01:46:20,880
that's probably

2736
01:46:24,390 --> 01:46:22,480
you know when you start bringing in

2737
01:46:26,550 --> 01:46:24,400
interdimensional or

2738
01:46:29,669 --> 01:46:26,560
all the different other possibilities

2739
01:46:32,629 --> 01:46:29,679
for sure and i even hear some abductees

2740
01:46:35,430 --> 01:46:32,639
don't feel anything not love not

2741
01:46:46,390 --> 01:46:35,440
hate it's just coldness just absolutely

2742
01:46:51,270 --> 01:46:49,669
attitude yes behavior yes so it's

2743
01:46:53,189 --> 01:46:51,280
interesting that

2744
01:46:56,390 --> 01:46:53,199
you know different people

2745
01:46:57,510 --> 01:46:56,400
feel the different realm of emotions

2746
01:46:58,310 --> 01:46:57,520
right

2747
01:47:02,149 --> 01:46:58,320
and

2748
01:47:03,750 --> 01:47:02,159
um see different things different beings

2749
01:47:05,910 --> 01:47:03,760
um it's

2750
01:47:08,870 --> 01:47:05,920
you know almost seems like the pat

2751
01:47:12,229 --> 01:47:08,880
there's a patent and the pattern is to

2752
01:47:13,750 --> 01:47:12,239
um infuse confusion

2753
01:47:16,149 --> 01:47:13,760
you know

2754
01:47:17,109 --> 01:47:16,159
and no straight answer

2755
01:47:19,030 --> 01:47:17,119
but

2756
01:47:21,510 --> 01:47:19,040
i mean you can almost see it seems that

2757
01:47:24,470 --> 01:47:21,520
way with you know our investigations

2758
01:47:27,189 --> 01:47:24,480
of nuts and bolts investigations or

2759
01:47:29,189 --> 01:47:27,199
anything else like every craft almost

2760
01:47:32,709 --> 01:47:29,199
seems different every uh witness

2761
01:47:34,550 --> 01:47:32,719
testimony has a little nuance to it

2762
01:47:36,629 --> 01:47:34,560
you can never grab a really clear

2763
01:47:39,510 --> 01:47:36,639
photograph you know

2764
01:47:40,870 --> 01:47:39,520
um things are on radar but

2765
01:47:42,470 --> 01:47:40,880
sorry

2766
01:47:46,629 --> 01:47:42,480
we tried to go then

2767
01:47:48,390 --> 01:47:46,639
get the photography yes but some summer

2768
01:47:49,109 --> 01:47:48,400
objectives

2769
01:47:53,750 --> 01:47:49,119
they

2770
01:47:55,830 --> 01:47:53,760
uh burned

2771
01:48:00,790 --> 01:47:55,840
burn

2772
01:48:06,790 --> 01:48:03,750
picture they tried to take a picture

2773
01:48:09,990 --> 01:48:06,800
the the camera burned

2774
01:48:13,189 --> 01:48:10,000
you know so it's very hard to have a

2775
01:48:17,189 --> 01:48:15,510
of the

2776
01:48:18,390 --> 01:48:17,199
the ufo or

2777
01:48:19,430 --> 01:48:18,400
even even

2778
01:48:23,669 --> 01:48:19,440
the the

2779
01:48:27,590 --> 01:48:23,679
the alien we we can't get the photograph

2780
01:48:28,709 --> 01:48:27,600
because the you know really the camera

2781
01:48:30,390 --> 01:48:28,719
is uh

2782
01:48:32,870 --> 01:48:30,400
crashed

2783
01:48:35,669 --> 01:48:32,880
doesn't work anymore yeah

2784
01:48:37,990 --> 01:48:35,679
graham uh just kind of switched to you a

2785
01:48:39,270 --> 01:48:38,000
little bit graeme rendell um

2786
01:48:42,950 --> 01:48:39,280
are you awake

2787
01:48:46,149 --> 01:48:44,310
i've been writing since about how i'm

2788
01:48:47,910 --> 01:48:46,159
half six this morning so yes i'm still

2789
01:48:50,390 --> 01:48:47,920
with you don't worry

2790
01:48:54,149 --> 01:48:50,400
i'll just stop to do this yeah no no

2791
01:48:56,070 --> 01:48:54,159
that's uh i'm just decent um when it

2792
01:48:57,990 --> 01:48:56,080
in relation to

2793
01:49:00,390 --> 01:48:58,000
you know kind of how she's described the

2794
01:49:02,950 --> 01:49:00,400
different uh abductees stories

2795
01:49:06,070 --> 01:49:02,960
how can you relate that to maybe the

2796
01:49:08,310 --> 01:49:06,080
different testimonies you've read during

2797
01:49:10,149 --> 01:49:08,320
world war ii or what you're researching

2798
01:49:11,510 --> 01:49:10,159
now as far as

2799
01:49:14,870 --> 01:49:11,520
you know i guess i would assume

2800
01:49:17,510 --> 01:49:14,880
differences in just confusion

2801
01:49:20,070 --> 01:49:17,520
i think if let's just put it this way if

2802
01:49:22,790 --> 01:49:20,080
there'd been one narrative at play here

2803
01:49:24,709 --> 01:49:22,800
since whenever 1947 1942 whatever

2804
01:49:26,470 --> 01:49:24,719
whatever you want to put a date to it

2805
01:49:27,910 --> 01:49:26,480
then it would be a lot easier for people

2806
01:49:30,149 --> 01:49:27,920
because everybody would have a shared

2807
01:49:32,390 --> 01:49:30,159
experience so it would be one type of

2808
01:49:35,030 --> 01:49:32,400
craft it'd be one type of alien doing

2809
01:49:36,470 --> 01:49:35,040
the abducting or whatever or people

2810
01:49:39,189 --> 01:49:36,480
would be seeing the same kind of thing

2811
01:49:41,669 --> 01:49:39,199
in the skies so there would be one thing

2812
01:49:43,350 --> 01:49:41,679
and everybody knows what it would be it

2813
01:49:45,350 --> 01:49:43,360
would just be a matter of when you saw

2814
01:49:47,750 --> 01:49:45,360
it or when you were experienced or when

2815
01:49:49,669 --> 01:49:47,760
you were taken away or whatever but

2816
01:49:51,350 --> 01:49:49,679
there's all these different things going

2817
01:49:52,870 --> 01:49:51,360
on so you've got different types of

2818
01:49:54,950 --> 01:49:52,880
craft you've got triangles you've got

2819
01:49:56,709 --> 01:49:54,960
discs you've got cigars you've got

2820
01:49:58,470 --> 01:49:56,719
things which are just lights and you've

2821
01:50:00,550 --> 01:49:58,480
got you know the the whole gamut of all

2822
01:50:02,310 --> 01:50:00,560
these different shapes and sizes never

2823
01:50:04,070 --> 01:50:02,320
mind what they actually do or what they

2824
01:50:05,910 --> 01:50:04,080
don't do and then of course when you

2825
01:50:07,510 --> 01:50:05,920
look at the abductee realm and the

2826
01:50:08,709 --> 01:50:07,520
experiences of you know as they're

2827
01:50:10,470 --> 01:50:08,719
calling the

2828
01:50:12,070 --> 01:50:10,480
people call themselves nowadays there's

2829
01:50:14,629 --> 01:50:12,080
a whole different sort of things going

2830
01:50:16,870 --> 01:50:14,639
on there people say you know they they

2831
01:50:18,709 --> 01:50:16,880
preach love and light or they preach you

2832
01:50:21,189 --> 01:50:18,719
know death and destruction or somewhere

2833
01:50:22,229 --> 01:50:21,199
in between or nothing um and then you've

2834
01:50:24,310 --> 01:50:22,239
got all these different types of

2835
01:50:27,030 --> 01:50:24,320
examinations or not or sometimes to have

2836
01:50:29,350 --> 01:50:27,040
conversations so it's hard to know

2837
01:50:31,750 --> 01:50:29,360
what's actually going on and it's almost

2838
01:50:34,790 --> 01:50:31,760
it's set up to confuse everybody you

2839
01:50:37,030 --> 01:50:34,800
know me most of all you know i i i'm not

2840
01:50:39,109 --> 01:50:37,040
an expert on any of this i write about

2841
01:50:40,390 --> 01:50:39,119
and i talk about ufos but i wouldn't

2842
01:50:41,669 --> 01:50:40,400
like to say i'm an expert in fact i

2843
01:50:43,510 --> 01:50:41,679
don't think there are any experts on

2844
01:50:45,350 --> 01:50:43,520
ufos how can you be an expert in

2845
01:50:47,669 --> 01:50:45,360
something that you don't understand

2846
01:50:49,430 --> 01:50:47,679
but it's it's almost like you know we

2847
01:50:51,510 --> 01:50:49,440
take one step forward in this field and

2848
01:50:53,350 --> 01:50:51,520
two steps back because next person who

2849
01:50:54,629 --> 01:50:53,360
comes along has a completely different

2850
01:50:56,629 --> 01:50:54,639
story to tell

2851
01:50:59,189 --> 01:50:56,639
um and trying to mesh those stories

2852
01:51:01,270 --> 01:50:59,199
together it's an incredibly hard task

2853
01:51:03,189 --> 01:51:01,280
and and that's why you know we've been

2854
01:51:04,870 --> 01:51:03,199
doing this for for how long since the

2855
01:51:07,270 --> 01:51:04,880
40s people have been looking at this

2856
01:51:08,870 --> 01:51:07,280
subject actively since then

2857
01:51:12,390 --> 01:51:08,880
if it was easy

2858
01:51:14,870 --> 01:51:12,400
given up long ago or we would have

2859
01:51:16,550 --> 01:51:14,880
solved it long ago but now we're still

2860
01:51:18,310 --> 01:51:16,560
those of us here and everybody else in

2861
01:51:20,070 --> 01:51:18,320
the wider world are still looking at

2862
01:51:21,750 --> 01:51:20,080
this we're still talking to each other

2863
01:51:23,350 --> 01:51:21,760
we're still trying to work out what's

2864
01:51:25,189 --> 01:51:23,360
happening we're still arguing with each

2865
01:51:26,790 --> 01:51:25,199
other occasionally we're otherwise we're

2866
01:51:29,030 --> 01:51:26,800
cooperating with each other and that's

2867
01:51:31,030 --> 01:51:29,040
actually great um yeah the only thing

2868
01:51:31,990 --> 01:51:31,040
you know you see everybody here and i

2869
01:51:34,310 --> 01:51:32,000
just wish there were people from

2870
01:51:36,950 --> 01:51:34,320
switzerland from germany and from from

2871
01:51:39,189 --> 01:51:36,960
austria from norway from india you know

2872
01:51:41,189 --> 01:51:39,199
from from you name even russian people

2873
01:51:43,430 --> 01:51:41,199
looking at and talking to us about

2874
01:51:44,870 --> 01:51:43,440
what's going on um and people from south

2875
01:51:46,550 --> 01:51:44,880
america excited we should have those

2876
01:51:48,790 --> 01:51:46,560
people on here as well

2877
01:51:51,270 --> 01:51:48,800
and it should be a you know a kind of

2878
01:51:52,870 --> 01:51:51,280
not a truly a national effort

2879
01:51:55,030 --> 01:51:52,880
too much from here

2880
01:51:56,790 --> 01:51:55,040
from america and a smattering of other

2881
01:51:59,109 --> 01:51:56,800
people like us ourselves from around the

2882
01:52:00,629 --> 01:51:59,119
globe but also i'd encourage people to

2883
01:52:02,390 --> 01:52:00,639
look at other countries you know if

2884
01:52:04,550 --> 01:52:02,400
you're in america it's not just an

2885
01:52:06,310 --> 01:52:04,560
american-centric kind of phenomenon you

2886
01:52:09,830 --> 01:52:06,320
know look at other things look at books

2887
01:52:11,589 --> 01:52:09,840
like this there's a french book for you

2888
01:52:15,510 --> 01:52:11,599
okay so you know

2889
01:52:19,990 --> 01:52:18,709
the black book of um flying saucers yes

2890
01:52:22,790 --> 01:52:20,000
is that about right

2891
01:52:24,629 --> 01:52:22,800
yeah yes yeah okay and that's uh henry

2892
01:52:25,990 --> 01:52:24,639
duran or dds series i believe they're

2893
01:52:28,629 --> 01:52:26,000
called that's his real name that was

2894
01:52:31,510 --> 01:52:28,639
written in 1970 so i collect books from

2895
01:52:33,350 --> 01:52:31,520
around the world and i painstakingly

2896
01:52:35,510 --> 01:52:33,360
sort of you know translate them and read

2897
01:52:36,629 --> 01:52:35,520
them myself time you know bit after bit

2898
01:52:38,790 --> 01:52:36,639
and i

2899
01:52:40,310 --> 01:52:38,800
sort of make a build up a bit of

2900
01:52:41,830 --> 01:52:40,320
knowledge about different countries i

2901
01:52:43,189 --> 01:52:41,840
mean i'm not i say again i'm not an

2902
01:52:45,669 --> 01:52:43,199
expert and i wouldn't like to say i know

2903
01:52:48,149 --> 01:52:45,679
chapter and verse but i do like to try

2904
01:52:49,830 --> 01:52:48,159
and see from other perspectives and from

2905
01:52:51,350 --> 01:52:49,840
other countries it's not just an

2906
01:52:53,510 --> 01:52:51,360
american thing it's not just a british

2907
01:52:55,910 --> 01:52:53,520
thing and that's you know where i like

2908
01:52:57,270 --> 01:52:55,920
to come from so i like to give credit to

2909
01:52:59,189 --> 01:52:57,280
people like you know the people around

2910
01:53:00,390 --> 01:52:59,199
me here on the screen and the work

2911
01:53:02,070 --> 01:53:00,400
they're doing in their countries and i

2912
01:53:04,149 --> 01:53:02,080
want to see more of it and i'd like to

2913
01:53:06,070 --> 01:53:04,159
see more of them participating in

2914
01:53:07,589 --> 01:53:06,080
discussions like this not just ones like

2915
01:53:09,350 --> 01:53:07,599
this where we're talking about people

2916
01:53:11,189 --> 01:53:09,360
from around the world but just generally

2917
01:53:15,430 --> 01:53:11,199
the week to week discussions we have on

2918
01:53:16,629 --> 01:53:15,440
youtube and on podcasts et cetera so

2919
01:53:17,990 --> 01:53:16,639
beautiful

2920
01:53:19,430 --> 01:53:18,000
sean if you don't mind i'm gonna have to

2921
01:53:20,790 --> 01:53:19,440
nip off for 10 minutes i just wanted to

2922
01:53:24,950 --> 01:53:20,800
take this opportunity

2923
01:53:27,750 --> 01:53:24,960
to thank graham um merci miriam merci

2924
01:53:30,550 --> 01:53:27,760
monsieurs frank guillaume baptiste

2925
01:53:34,550 --> 01:53:32,550
he's been practicing all day haven't you

2926
01:53:36,390 --> 01:53:34,560
[Laughter]

2927
01:53:37,910 --> 01:53:36,400
but i'll be back in 10 15 minutes i just

2928
01:53:40,310 --> 01:53:37,920
wanted to say to you guys if i don't get

2929
01:53:42,070 --> 01:53:40,320
back in time thank you so much i'll see

2930
01:53:42,870 --> 01:53:42,080
everyone else

2931
01:53:44,950 --> 01:53:42,880
thanks

2932
01:53:47,350 --> 01:53:44,960
see you vinny

2933
01:53:50,310 --> 01:53:47,360
he's now coming back

2934
01:53:51,750 --> 01:53:50,320
i'm just kidding no i wanted to uh bring

2935
01:53:54,390 --> 01:53:51,760
this up because

2936
01:53:56,229 --> 01:53:54,400
i wanted to see if any of you had any

2937
01:53:58,550 --> 01:53:56,239
you know knowledge on this french

2938
01:54:01,589 --> 01:53:58,560
government ufo study that's on the nsa

2939
01:54:06,709 --> 01:54:04,629
sure the shipper

2940
01:54:08,709 --> 01:54:06,719
well batiste knows a lot more on the

2941
01:54:10,550 --> 01:54:08,719
japan than i personally do i'm still new

2942
01:54:12,070 --> 01:54:10,560
to the subject uh i know it's an

2943
01:54:14,870 --> 01:54:12,080
official thing

2944
01:54:17,270 --> 01:54:14,880
and that it's it's described sometimes

2945
01:54:19,189 --> 01:54:17,280
it's brought up in every press article

2946
01:54:23,430 --> 01:54:19,199
in france whenever

2947
01:54:25,030 --> 01:54:23,440
subject is tackled uh but unfortunately

2948
01:54:28,709 --> 01:54:25,040
the conclusion is pretty much always the

2949
01:54:31,430 --> 01:54:28,719
same uh 95 percent of the cases are

2950
01:54:35,030 --> 01:54:31,440
perfectly explainable and there are uh

2951
01:54:38,390 --> 01:54:35,040
3.4 i think something like that that

2952
01:54:39,589 --> 01:54:38,400
that that is potentially bizarre and

2953
01:54:42,149 --> 01:54:39,599
then the

2954
01:54:44,870 --> 01:54:42,159
the press article stops there so it

2955
01:54:46,629 --> 01:54:44,880
always leaves the reader with a a very

2956
01:54:48,390 --> 01:54:46,639
comfortable conclusion

2957
01:54:50,790 --> 01:54:48,400
and it never really goes any further

2958
01:54:53,030 --> 01:54:50,800
than that so that's a frustrating part

2959
01:54:55,510 --> 01:54:53,040
i think but this knows a lot about the

2960
01:54:57,189 --> 01:54:55,520
japan and he'll be able to tell you

2961
01:54:59,669 --> 01:54:57,199
everything about it

2962
01:55:02,310 --> 01:54:59,679
uh what will be more so

2963
01:55:04,550 --> 01:55:02,320
to first hear about frank about that

2964
01:55:08,070 --> 01:55:04,560
frank what is the opinion of your of the

2965
01:55:10,870 --> 01:55:08,080
ufologist in france about the japan

2966
01:55:13,470 --> 01:55:10,880
uh japan has a long history

2967
01:55:15,430 --> 01:55:13,480
when it created in

2968
01:55:18,149 --> 01:55:15,440
1977

2969
01:55:21,830 --> 01:55:18,159
one year after the first conclusion what

2970
01:55:24,709 --> 01:55:21,840
ufos were flying flying machines

2971
01:55:27,589 --> 01:55:24,719
but the time coming

2972
01:55:30,629 --> 01:55:27,599
this opinion changed with

2973
01:55:33,270 --> 01:55:30,639
the different directors of japan

2974
01:55:37,270 --> 01:55:33,280
and actually there is a small conflict

2975
01:55:40,390 --> 01:55:37,280
between uh private ufology on

2976
01:55:42,310 --> 01:55:40,400
this organism because of this conclusion

2977
01:55:44,310 --> 01:55:42,320
because he thinks that two fours are not

2978
01:55:46,629 --> 01:55:44,320
real or

2979
01:55:48,709 --> 01:55:46,639
maybe a psychological

2980
01:55:51,510 --> 01:55:48,719
psychological influence

2981
01:55:53,750 --> 01:55:51,520
social influence so there are

2982
01:55:55,910 --> 01:55:53,760
some conflict

2983
01:55:58,229 --> 01:55:55,920
we don't know what will be the future

2984
01:56:00,950 --> 01:55:58,239
nowadays there is a new director so

2985
01:56:04,310 --> 01:56:00,960
we'll see what happens but um

2986
01:56:06,629 --> 01:56:04,320
in fact the most important point of um

2987
01:56:10,390 --> 01:56:06,639
japan is that he offers

2988
01:56:16,790 --> 01:56:10,400
more than a free frozen case

2989
01:56:20,070 --> 01:56:18,950
which can be uh

2990
01:56:21,589 --> 01:56:20,080
freely

2991
01:56:24,629 --> 01:56:21,599
consultated

2992
01:56:25,510 --> 01:56:24,639
read and it's a good pointer

2993
01:56:26,709 --> 01:56:25,520
okay

2994
01:56:29,030 --> 01:56:26,719
i'm actually going to take this

2995
01:56:30,709 --> 01:56:29,040
opportunity to say thank you as well i'm

2996
01:56:32,950 --> 01:56:30,719
going to be gone for a little bit i'm

2997
01:56:35,910 --> 01:56:32,960
going to hand it off to priscilla here

2998
01:56:37,350 --> 01:56:35,920
to man the fort and benji they need the

2999
01:56:38,470 --> 01:56:37,360
experience

3000
01:56:43,430 --> 01:56:38,480
i'm going to be

3001
01:56:45,589 --> 01:56:43,440
just so you know so awful yeah

3002
01:56:46,950 --> 01:56:45,599
so if you start to screw up i'm going to

3003
01:56:48,950 --> 01:56:46,960
come back

3004
01:56:51,030 --> 01:56:48,960
pop in and yell at me yeah no i'll be

3005
01:56:53,669 --> 01:56:51,040
back again i'll be back in a second so

3006
01:56:55,189 --> 01:56:53,679
all right great okay so in my point of

3007
01:56:58,629 --> 01:56:55,199
view there is a

3008
01:57:00,950 --> 01:56:58,639
great misunderstanding between uh

3009
01:57:03,589 --> 01:57:00,960
almost all parts of those interested in

3010
01:57:06,470 --> 01:57:03,599
this topic in france so

3011
01:57:09,910 --> 01:57:06,480
there is several japan that have

3012
01:57:12,229 --> 01:57:09,920
existed throughout the years and the the

3013
01:57:15,350 --> 01:57:12,239
purpose was different so you have a

3014
01:57:17,910 --> 01:57:15,360
golden period in the first years where

3015
01:57:20,310 --> 01:57:17,920
and we just dig into it with some of my

3016
01:57:22,229 --> 01:57:20,320
contacts they made incredible

3017
01:57:25,510 --> 01:57:22,239
discoveries by

3018
01:57:27,350 --> 01:57:25,520
with very poor tools they were very

3019
01:57:29,910 --> 01:57:27,360
smart people

3020
01:57:32,589 --> 01:57:29,920
uh at the time that were in charge of it

3021
01:57:35,189 --> 01:57:32,599
and you can take the data from

3022
01:57:37,750 --> 01:57:35,199
1977 and compare it to today and you

3023
01:57:40,629 --> 01:57:37,760
have the same accuracy it's it's a

3024
01:57:41,910 --> 01:57:40,639
really nice work

3025
01:57:43,189 --> 01:57:41,920
after that

3026
01:57:46,070 --> 01:57:43,199
it was

3027
01:57:48,310 --> 01:57:46,080
discretely used to absorb the

3028
01:57:50,950 --> 01:57:48,320
questioning of the population

3029
01:57:53,750 --> 01:57:50,960
but the purpose at that time

3030
01:57:57,109 --> 01:57:53,760
was just to create the data to gather

3031
01:58:00,149 --> 01:57:57,119
reports standardize them ask the swim

3032
01:58:03,109 --> 01:58:00,159
question every time so we can compare

3033
01:58:06,470 --> 01:58:03,119
each report to each other the very weird

3034
01:58:08,790 --> 01:58:06,480
reports were investigated on the field

3035
01:58:11,589 --> 01:58:08,800
the problem is that the funding is

3036
01:58:14,070 --> 01:58:11,599
almost on existence most is benevolent

3037
01:58:15,109 --> 01:58:14,080
works they are not paid

3038
01:58:17,990 --> 01:58:15,119
and

3039
01:58:21,270 --> 01:58:18,000
you can't ask too much of them to do

3040
01:58:22,470 --> 01:58:21,280
that so we have a real problem of uh

3041
01:58:25,510 --> 01:58:22,480
of funds

3042
01:58:26,550 --> 01:58:25,520
to cr to to make that research without

3043
01:58:29,189 --> 01:58:26,560
research

3044
01:58:31,510 --> 01:58:29,199
across the whole territory of france

3045
01:58:34,790 --> 01:58:31,520
across the whole population of france we

3046
01:58:36,629 --> 01:58:34,800
have the second largest marine territory

3047
01:58:38,709 --> 01:58:36,639
on earth we are

3048
01:58:41,109 --> 01:58:38,719
we just can't cover it with the funds we

3049
01:58:44,070 --> 01:58:41,119
have so

3050
01:58:46,790 --> 01:58:44,080
the purpose of the of the japan today is

3051
01:58:48,589 --> 01:58:46,800
just to create the data what we lack is

3052
01:58:51,109 --> 01:58:48,599
a real laboratory

3053
01:58:54,950 --> 01:58:51,119
transdisciplinary with all fields of

3054
01:58:58,149 --> 01:58:54,960
science represented inside but use that

3055
01:59:00,470 --> 01:58:58,159
data to create conclusions

3056
01:59:02,310 --> 01:59:00,480
absolutely um we're barely kind of doing

3057
01:59:03,750 --> 01:59:02,320
that here in the u.s like we have avi

3058
01:59:05,830 --> 01:59:03,760
loeb who's kind of

3059
01:59:07,669 --> 01:59:05,840
uh not with the government and raising

3060
01:59:09,270 --> 01:59:07,679
all this uh money and all these

3061
01:59:11,189 --> 01:59:09,280
wonderful scientists to get an actual

3062
01:59:13,189 --> 01:59:11,199
scientific view on things

3063
01:59:14,950 --> 01:59:13,199
and i think that everybody that is

3064
01:59:16,629 --> 01:59:14,960
coming around to this sort of research

3065
01:59:18,229 --> 01:59:16,639
all lacks funding if it's going to be

3066
01:59:21,189 --> 01:59:18,239
done by um

3067
01:59:22,709 --> 01:59:21,199
by the general population and even the

3068
01:59:24,790 --> 01:59:22,719
experts that are non-military or

3069
01:59:27,430 --> 01:59:24,800
non-government so i think that's a big

3070
01:59:29,030 --> 01:59:27,440
hurdle for everybody to get through but

3071
01:59:31,589 --> 01:59:29,040
i see what you mean and i did look at

3072
01:59:33,589 --> 01:59:31,599
the j pawn and i was trying to uh

3073
01:59:35,750 --> 01:59:33,599
translate it and i mean i took some

3074
01:59:36,709 --> 01:59:35,760
french in high school but nope this is

3075
01:59:39,189 --> 01:59:36,719
not here

3076
01:59:42,070 --> 01:59:39,199
um yeah you don't want to hear it

3077
01:59:43,510 --> 01:59:42,080
so the what for what i understand and

3078
01:59:45,030 --> 01:59:43,520
what i did understand from it is there

3079
01:59:47,030 --> 01:59:45,040
are different ratings on each of the

3080
01:59:48,709 --> 01:59:47,040
reports like this is a more serious one

3081
01:59:51,510 --> 01:59:48,719
or this one is more unexplainable than

3082
01:59:58,550 --> 01:59:55,350
yes so you have a standardized way to

3083
01:59:59,830 --> 01:59:58,560
classify the data so either it's

3084
02:00:03,350 --> 01:59:59,840
perfectly

3085
02:00:05,589 --> 02:00:03,360
explainable and we have plenty of data

3086
02:00:08,229 --> 02:00:05,599
either it's

3087
02:00:10,629 --> 02:00:08,239
we lack data to really create a

3088
02:00:12,870 --> 02:00:10,639
conclusion another part

3089
02:00:15,189 --> 02:00:12,880
we have a lot of data and it's really

3090
02:00:17,270 --> 02:00:15,199
really extremely strange it's almost

3091
02:00:19,189 --> 02:00:17,280
non-existent in the statistics because

3092
02:00:21,030 --> 02:00:19,199
when it is really strange you don't have

3093
02:00:24,070 --> 02:00:21,040
the tools to

3094
02:00:25,109 --> 02:00:24,080
gather data from it so you

3095
02:00:28,550 --> 02:00:25,119
that's why

3096
02:00:30,149 --> 02:00:28,560
the the 3.5 percent that is already is

3097
02:00:32,550 --> 02:00:30,159
often used by the press is really

3098
02:00:35,510 --> 02:00:32,560
misleading you can consider that among

3099
02:00:39,270 --> 02:00:35,520
all the cases you have 20 percent but

3100
02:00:42,229 --> 02:00:39,280
what we call you usually ufos 20 of the

3101
02:00:43,510 --> 02:00:42,239
reports are ufos uh

3102
02:00:46,470 --> 02:00:43,520
be hon

3103
02:00:49,350 --> 02:00:46,480
beyond that they try to limit the data

3104
02:00:54,709 --> 02:00:51,830
they try to focus on the most accurate

3105
02:00:58,390 --> 02:00:54,719
data possible so when a scientist

3106
02:01:02,550 --> 02:00:58,400
studied it it doesn't waste time on a

3107
02:01:06,229 --> 02:01:02,560
ufo case but that doesn't have many data

3108
02:01:07,350 --> 02:01:06,239
attached to it so the 3.5 percent are

3109
02:01:13,350 --> 02:01:07,360
the

3110
02:01:15,270 --> 02:01:13,360
all right that makes sense because when

3111
02:01:17,589 --> 02:01:15,280
i was trying to read it obviously i

3112
02:01:19,030 --> 02:01:17,599
don't speak french but i was trying and

3113
02:01:21,430 --> 02:01:19,040
uh yeah i noticed that there was

3114
02:01:23,030 --> 02:01:21,440
different like a you know

3115
02:01:26,070 --> 02:01:23,040
like different ratings for each one i

3116
02:01:28,629 --> 02:01:26,080
was reading um it's all very interesting

3117
02:01:31,109 --> 02:01:28,639
but i wanted to say thank you to gulen

3118
02:01:31,910 --> 02:01:31,119
for sorry i'm not going to be able to

3119
02:01:33,109 --> 02:01:31,920
um

3120
02:01:34,149 --> 02:01:33,119
thank you

3121
02:01:36,629 --> 02:01:34,159
okay

3122
02:01:38,070 --> 02:01:36,639
i wanted to say thank you for um you

3123
02:01:40,310 --> 02:01:38,080
know writing our

3124
02:01:41,910 --> 02:01:40,320
our people here because we try to rally

3125
02:01:43,750 --> 02:01:41,920
as many people here in the states to do

3126
02:01:46,310 --> 02:01:43,760
it there was even the big phone home

3127
02:01:50,149 --> 02:01:46,320
event um put down by you know

3128
02:01:52,070 --> 02:01:50,159
uh ucr and it was so hard because people

3129
02:01:54,149 --> 02:01:52,080
wanted to say oh this doesn't help this

3130
02:01:56,550 --> 02:01:54,159
doesn't help there was that talk

3131
02:01:59,430 --> 02:01:56,560
everywhere do you confront or do you get

3132
02:02:01,589 --> 02:01:59,440
a lot of that as well with your activism

3133
02:02:03,750 --> 02:02:01,599
work in france these are the people that

3134
02:02:06,950 --> 02:02:03,760
are saying it doesn't matter what we say

3135
02:02:10,870 --> 02:02:06,960
they're never going to tell us the truth

3136
02:02:13,430 --> 02:02:10,880
um i get that around me in my little

3137
02:02:16,229 --> 02:02:13,440
social circle um pretty much everybody

3138
02:02:20,950 --> 02:02:16,239
thinks that i'm wasting my time

3139
02:02:23,910 --> 02:02:22,310
the way i

3140
02:02:25,270 --> 02:02:23,920
my thinking is

3141
02:02:28,870 --> 02:02:25,280
you never know

3142
02:02:30,790 --> 02:02:28,880
um who's gonna be the last drop

3143
02:02:32,629 --> 02:02:30,800
in the bucket right that's gonna make

3144
02:02:33,669 --> 02:02:32,639
the i don't know if my metaphor is okay

3145
02:02:35,830 --> 02:02:33,679
there but

3146
02:02:37,910 --> 02:02:35,840
it's just a nice metaphor it works so

3147
02:02:40,390 --> 02:02:37,920
well

3148
02:02:42,470 --> 02:02:40,400
uh so you you never know you know who's

3149
02:02:45,589 --> 02:02:42,480
gonna be the the guy who's gonna make a

3150
02:02:48,390 --> 02:02:45,599
difference so uh

3151
02:02:49,830 --> 02:02:48,400
why not just try it and i know there's

3152
02:02:51,510 --> 02:02:49,840
very little chance that i'm gonna have

3153
02:02:54,390 --> 02:02:51,520
any kind of influence

3154
02:02:56,229 --> 02:02:54,400
but i would blame myself forever if i

3155
02:02:58,790 --> 02:02:56,239
didn't do my part and i mean it's like

3156
02:03:01,189 --> 02:02:58,800
voting when you go voting your voice

3157
02:03:04,070 --> 02:03:01,199
your vote is

3158
02:03:05,830 --> 02:03:04,080
insignificant but you still go vote yeah

3159
02:03:08,149 --> 02:03:05,840
you do your part it's the same with

3160
02:03:11,189 --> 02:03:08,159
activism you do your part

3161
02:03:14,390 --> 02:03:12,629
actually i had a question for you

3162
02:03:16,709 --> 02:03:14,400
specifically guillaume

3163
02:03:18,149 --> 02:03:16,719
you said that you kind of just got into

3164
02:03:19,270 --> 02:03:18,159
this topic about what i think you

3165
02:03:22,310 --> 02:03:19,280
mentioned nine months ago is that

3166
02:03:23,830 --> 02:03:22,320
correct yep sure i i find that ironic

3167
02:03:26,629 --> 02:03:23,840
because that's around the same time i

3168
02:03:28,550 --> 02:03:26,639
got into it too and i'm wondering if you

3169
02:03:30,149 --> 02:03:28,560
have experienced or if you have any

3170
02:03:31,910 --> 02:03:30,159
thoughts about the apparent

3171
02:03:35,669 --> 02:03:31,920
synchronicities that are involved with

3172
02:03:43,830 --> 02:03:37,030
uh

3173
02:03:45,990 --> 02:03:43,840
i found it a bit

3174
02:03:47,750 --> 02:03:46,000
interesting that sure

3175
02:03:50,149 --> 02:03:47,760
i mean i feel very lucky that i came

3176
02:03:51,510 --> 02:03:50,159
along when i came along because that's

3177
02:03:53,430 --> 02:03:51,520
precisely when

3178
02:03:56,069 --> 02:03:53,440
things started accelerating at an

3179
02:03:56,790 --> 02:03:56,079
incredible rate uh after a few weeks

3180
02:03:58,870 --> 02:03:56,800
like

3181
02:04:00,950 --> 02:03:58,880
every week there was a this new a new

3182
02:04:02,229 --> 02:04:00,960
scoop something amazing this is a new

3183
02:04:03,750 --> 02:04:02,239
election

3184
02:04:04,629 --> 02:04:03,760
yeah yeah

3185
02:04:06,550 --> 02:04:04,639
uh

3186
02:04:09,430 --> 02:04:06,560
every few days that's something so yeah

3187
02:04:10,390 --> 02:04:09,440
so i can't keep up as i like i said

3188
02:04:13,030 --> 02:04:10,400
earlier

3189
02:04:15,510 --> 02:04:13,040
and i i i did feel there was the

3190
02:04:17,430 --> 02:04:15,520
rascoltar book that came out

3191
02:04:19,270 --> 02:04:17,440
uh which as i understand it is one of

3192
02:04:22,149 --> 02:04:19,280
the first mainstream journalists to

3193
02:04:22,830 --> 02:04:22,159
really uh be tackling the subject around

3194
02:04:25,109 --> 02:04:22,840
the

3195
02:04:27,270 --> 02:04:25,119
world for those who don't invest this

3196
02:04:29,030 --> 02:04:27,280
there you go great great book

3197
02:04:31,109 --> 02:04:29,040
it really is and uh i'm still waiting

3198
02:04:33,589 --> 02:04:31,119
for the french translation to

3199
02:04:36,790 --> 02:04:33,599
to offer it you know to my friends and

3200
02:04:39,430 --> 02:04:36,800
family um and so there was that there's

3201
02:04:40,390 --> 02:04:39,440
obviously the ui ptf report that came

3202
02:04:43,030 --> 02:04:40,400
along

3203
02:04:44,790 --> 02:04:43,040
uh there's a bunch of of stuff that that

3204
02:04:47,750 --> 02:04:44,800
came along at the same time

3205
02:04:49,510 --> 02:04:47,760
that i guess kind of goes uh you know in

3206
02:04:51,830 --> 02:04:49,520
the direction that you're trying to pull

3207
02:04:54,310 --> 02:04:51,840
me into uh

3208
02:04:57,109 --> 02:04:54,320
that's all i got i guess i really i just

3209
02:04:59,030 --> 02:04:57,119
feel a coincidence uh i just fell in

3210
02:05:01,589 --> 02:04:59,040
that i mean it's not the first time that

3211
02:05:02,790 --> 02:05:01,599
i had heard of the subject

3212
02:05:03,750 --> 02:05:02,800
obviously

3213
02:05:06,390 --> 02:05:03,760
but

3214
02:05:07,510 --> 02:05:06,400
it's the first time that i realized

3215
02:05:09,189 --> 02:05:07,520
uh

3216
02:05:11,189 --> 02:05:09,199
there has to be

3217
02:05:12,950 --> 02:05:11,199
something to this there's just

3218
02:05:14,390 --> 02:05:12,960
too many people talking about it too

3219
02:05:17,350 --> 02:05:14,400
many witnesses

3220
02:05:19,750 --> 02:05:17,360
uh too many elements for it to be a big

3221
02:05:22,149 --> 02:05:19,760
joke a big hoax it's just impossible you

3222
02:05:23,430 --> 02:05:22,159
can't organize a hoax at such a

3223
02:05:24,229 --> 02:05:23,440
planetary

3224
02:05:26,310 --> 02:05:24,239
uh

3225
02:05:28,069 --> 02:05:26,320
level and also time-wise it's been going

3226
02:05:30,229 --> 02:05:28,079
on for just too long

3227
02:05:31,669 --> 02:05:30,239
and i think on top of that too you know

3228
02:05:33,830 --> 02:05:31,679
there's there's definitely the people

3229
02:05:35,350 --> 02:05:33,840
out there that have you know spent their

3230
02:05:37,589 --> 02:05:35,360
fair share of time

3231
02:05:39,589 --> 02:05:37,599
trying to disinform people and you know

3232
02:05:41,270 --> 02:05:39,599
do it for the wrong reasons

3233
02:05:42,870 --> 02:05:41,280
but i mean there's two

3234
02:05:46,149 --> 02:05:42,880
i agree with you there's just too many

3235
02:05:48,390 --> 02:05:46,159
people nowadays they can't all just be

3236
02:05:49,669 --> 02:05:48,400
making it up on the whim there's too

3237
02:05:51,669 --> 02:05:49,679
many there's too many points that

3238
02:05:53,589 --> 02:05:51,679
intersect oh hey vinnie

3239
02:05:55,990 --> 02:05:53,599
night

3240
02:05:57,990 --> 02:05:56,000
sean said you wouldn't come back

3241
02:05:59,750 --> 02:05:58,000
hey he was like

3242
02:06:02,870 --> 02:05:59,760
i'm in this for the long haul i'm going

3243
02:06:03,669 --> 02:06:02,880
to 3 30 a.m what time is it there right

3244
02:06:07,350 --> 02:06:03,679
now

3245
02:06:09,589 --> 02:06:07,360
it's 9 30 p.m oh wow

3246
02:06:11,589 --> 02:06:09,599
that's crazy i've got a question for you

3247
02:06:13,430 --> 02:06:11,599
and benji actually since like the two of

3248
02:06:14,870 --> 02:06:13,440
you have been relatively sort of new to

3249
02:06:16,709 --> 02:06:14,880
this issue

3250
02:06:19,030 --> 02:06:16,719
how much time do you the two of you

3251
02:06:21,109 --> 02:06:19,040
personally look backwards you know in

3252
02:06:22,550 --> 02:06:21,119
history in terms of you know since say

3253
02:06:24,550 --> 02:06:22,560
you know well what i meant with what

3254
02:06:26,790 --> 02:06:24,560
happened in the foo fighters from then

3255
02:06:28,950 --> 02:06:26,800
onwards uh or do you concentrate all of

3256
02:06:31,510 --> 02:06:28,960
your energies about what's happening you

3257
02:06:33,189 --> 02:06:31,520
know now and what's coming um is is it

3258
02:06:35,270 --> 02:06:33,199
simply just too much information to wrap

3259
02:06:37,669 --> 02:06:35,280
your heads around you know how much time

3260
02:06:40,149 --> 02:06:37,679
did you devote to things that happened

3261
02:06:41,910 --> 02:06:40,159
you know 10 20 30 40 50 years ago you

3262
02:06:43,910 --> 02:06:41,920
know how much did how much time do you

3263
02:06:46,870 --> 02:06:43,920
spend on those that's a good question

3264
02:06:48,629 --> 02:06:46,880
graham i am i do spend a lot of my time

3265
02:06:50,149 --> 02:06:48,639
trying to keep up with what's going on

3266
02:06:51,669 --> 02:06:50,159
just to try to get the information out

3267
02:06:54,310 --> 02:06:51,679
to people i think that's what i'm here

3268
02:07:04,709 --> 02:06:54,320
to do personally um but if this is any

3269
02:07:09,109 --> 02:07:07,030
yeah you know i do go back and i i do

3270
02:07:11,109 --> 02:07:09,119
look at the old stuff because i think we

3271
02:07:12,709 --> 02:07:11,119
as a species in general i think we need

3272
02:07:14,390 --> 02:07:12,719
to learn from our mistakes

3273
02:07:16,790 --> 02:07:14,400
i think we've made a lot of mistakes

3274
02:07:19,189 --> 02:07:16,800
with this stuff over the years clearly

3275
02:07:21,350 --> 02:07:19,199
yeah um and i don't know i just think

3276
02:07:22,470 --> 02:07:21,360
it's it there's too many

3277
02:07:24,629 --> 02:07:22,480
i don't want to say there's too much

3278
02:07:27,350 --> 02:07:24,639
toothpaste out of the tube now so i

3279
02:07:28,709 --> 02:07:27,360
think at this point in time

3280
02:07:29,910 --> 02:07:28,719
it doesn't really matter why it's

3281
02:07:32,069 --> 02:07:29,920
happening right now the fact of the

3282
02:07:34,629 --> 02:07:32,079
matter it is happening right now so

3283
02:07:36,149 --> 02:07:34,639
um i try i try to go back and i look at

3284
02:07:38,069 --> 02:07:36,159
things that have happened just so i

3285
02:07:39,589 --> 02:07:38,079
don't fall into the same patterns people

3286
02:07:41,830 --> 02:07:39,599
have gone through already

3287
02:07:43,109 --> 02:07:41,840
if that answers your question it does

3288
02:07:48,310 --> 02:07:43,119
yeah thank you

3289
02:07:49,669 --> 02:07:48,320
it's really hard to to decide what

3290
02:07:51,030 --> 02:07:49,679
you're gonna read next because there's

3291
02:07:53,510 --> 02:07:51,040
just so much so

3292
02:07:54,870 --> 02:07:53,520
i do try to split my time between

3293
02:07:57,669 --> 02:07:54,880
following uh

3294
02:08:00,390 --> 02:07:57,679
you know the news uh on ufo

3295
02:08:03,109 --> 02:08:00,400
in ufo realm and yeah

3296
02:08:05,910 --> 02:08:03,119
going back to uh what happened

3297
02:08:08,550 --> 02:08:05,920
uh early on i just finished jacques

3298
02:08:10,310 --> 02:08:08,560
valley's book trinity

3299
02:08:11,910 --> 02:08:10,320
1945

3300
02:08:13,669 --> 02:08:11,920
and i actually went to the the

3301
02:08:15,830 --> 02:08:13,679
conference jack that he gave

3302
02:08:17,189 --> 02:08:15,840
last week that's amazing with a few

3303
02:08:20,229 --> 02:08:17,199
friends

3304
02:08:21,510 --> 02:08:20,239
and uh that was uh that was really cool

3305
02:08:24,470 --> 02:08:21,520
to see this

3306
02:08:26,629 --> 02:08:24,480
uh living history book jacques vale is

3307
02:08:28,470 --> 02:08:26,639
like i mean he was there like probably i

3308
02:08:30,180 --> 02:08:28,480
think he he was there when the pyramids

3309
02:08:32,709 --> 02:08:30,190
were built

3310
02:08:34,069 --> 02:08:32,719
[Laughter]

3311
02:08:36,229 --> 02:08:34,079
that was really interesting full of

3312
02:08:37,669 --> 02:08:36,239
insight there uh but yeah i think it's

3313
02:08:40,629 --> 02:08:37,679
really important to not just look at

3314
02:08:42,550 --> 02:08:40,639
what's what's going on now because uh

3315
02:08:45,030 --> 02:08:42,560
just like benji said there have

3316
02:08:45,910 --> 02:08:45,040
there's been mistakes made and we don't

3317
02:08:47,589 --> 02:08:45,920
wanna

3318
02:08:50,629 --> 02:08:47,599
fall into

3319
02:08:53,589 --> 02:08:50,639
yet another dod trap because there's

3320
02:08:56,149 --> 02:08:53,599
been some in the past right uh oh yeah

3321
02:08:58,310 --> 02:08:56,159
grudge blue book and stuff so uh when

3322
02:08:59,109 --> 02:08:58,320
the dod announced

3323
02:09:01,189 --> 02:08:59,119
their

3324
02:09:11,350 --> 02:09:01,199
a-a-o-i-s-m

3325
02:09:13,750 --> 02:09:12,629
i think

3326
02:09:15,990 --> 02:09:13,760
you know

3327
02:09:17,350 --> 02:09:16,000
all the people who had read a little bit

3328
02:09:20,550 --> 02:09:17,360
what had happened

3329
02:09:23,589 --> 02:09:20,560
you know in the 40s and 50s around the

3330
02:09:25,589 --> 02:09:23,599
us cover-up knew that oh

3331
02:09:28,870 --> 02:09:25,599
we should be careful about this

3332
02:09:32,470 --> 02:09:28,880
and that's why i was uh

3333
02:09:34,390 --> 02:09:32,480
adamant that i did my part uh writing to

3334
02:09:36,069 --> 02:09:34,400
the u.s senators in support of the

3335
02:09:37,750 --> 02:09:36,079
guillermo amendment

3336
02:09:39,750 --> 02:09:37,760
yeah well those who forget their history

3337
02:09:41,990 --> 02:09:39,760
are condemned to repeat it as the old

3338
02:09:43,990 --> 02:09:42,000
saying goes so yeah we definitely have

3339
02:09:46,310 --> 02:09:44,000
to learn from our press mistakes in this

3340
02:09:47,669 --> 02:09:46,320
field so yeah i think you've both sort

3341
02:09:51,430 --> 02:09:47,679
of hit it on the head there thanks

3342
02:09:53,669 --> 02:09:51,440
thanks both yeah yeah my pleasure

3343
02:09:56,470 --> 02:09:53,679
it's still ongoing today because i was

3344
02:09:58,870 --> 02:09:56,480
absolutely baffled because with my team

3345
02:10:00,229 --> 02:09:58,880
we gathered the calibrator moment and

3346
02:10:03,990 --> 02:10:00,239
the uh

3347
02:10:06,229 --> 02:10:04,000
iaa amendment and everything and the

3348
02:10:07,750 --> 02:10:06,239
first article that was published in

3349
02:10:10,390 --> 02:10:07,760
france about

3350
02:10:12,870 --> 02:10:10,400
that part was the statement by the

3351
02:10:14,229 --> 02:10:12,880
department of defense of the creation of

3352
02:10:15,109 --> 02:10:14,239
the iambs

3353
02:10:17,430 --> 02:10:15,119
so

3354
02:10:21,510 --> 02:10:17,440
i was baffled agents france press which

3355
02:10:23,910 --> 02:10:21,520
is one of the three major

3356
02:10:26,390 --> 02:10:23,920
news spreaders around the world that

3357
02:10:29,669 --> 02:10:26,400
every newspaper feed on

3358
02:10:33,109 --> 02:10:29,679
absolutely stayed silent on the on the

3359
02:10:35,589 --> 02:10:33,119
wall part of the public investigation in

3360
02:10:38,629 --> 02:10:35,599
scientific investigation ufos and

3361
02:10:41,830 --> 02:10:38,639
published the creation by the the

3362
02:10:46,069 --> 02:10:41,840
american department of defense of the

3363
02:10:48,310 --> 02:10:46,079
creation of a uefa group that was insane

3364
02:10:50,470 --> 02:10:48,320
yeah and actually that's part of one of

3365
02:10:52,149 --> 02:10:50,480
my efforts as well i'm just not writing

3366
02:10:53,270 --> 02:10:52,159
to uh politicians i'm also writing to

3367
02:10:56,149 --> 02:10:53,280
journalists

3368
02:10:58,629 --> 02:10:56,159
uh i mean one of you i think it's uh mr

3369
02:11:01,669 --> 02:10:58,639
randall who said that the press is just

3370
02:11:03,750 --> 02:11:01,679
uninformed uh or all that was frank i

3371
02:11:05,430 --> 02:11:03,760
think i'm sorry um

3372
02:11:07,830 --> 02:11:05,440
and the press and i'm sure that's the

3373
02:11:09,990 --> 02:11:07,840
case i used to be uh i mean

3374
02:11:11,350 --> 02:11:10,000
i did some journalism studies back in

3375
02:11:14,069 --> 02:11:11,360
the day

3376
02:11:14,950 --> 02:11:14,079
so i i vaguely did the job for for a few

3377
02:11:17,430 --> 02:11:14,960
months

3378
02:11:18,870 --> 02:11:17,440
uh i'm certainly no no journalist but i

3379
02:11:21,350 --> 02:11:18,880
know that

3380
02:11:24,390 --> 02:11:21,360
you're just caught in in in the news the

3381
02:11:26,629 --> 02:11:24,400
24 hour cycle and there's just no time

3382
02:11:29,510 --> 02:11:26,639
to go back there's no time to go read

3383
02:11:32,310 --> 02:11:29,520
the blue book files or to look into the

3384
02:11:34,390 --> 02:11:32,320
the uh the us cover-up so

3385
02:11:35,830 --> 02:11:34,400
i just thought it was important to help

3386
02:11:38,069 --> 02:11:35,840
journalists

3387
02:11:40,870 --> 02:11:38,079
not you know blame them that that's

3388
02:11:42,629 --> 02:11:40,880
that's the that's pointless and just

3389
02:11:45,030 --> 02:11:42,639
understand that they're they're caught

3390
02:11:47,270 --> 02:11:45,040
in this new cycle this crazy new cycle

3391
02:11:49,589 --> 02:11:47,280
that's getting uh west and west

3392
02:11:51,189 --> 02:11:49,599
it's the current work of frank moran

3393
02:11:53,589 --> 02:11:51,199
inside the support that is briefing

3394
02:11:54,550 --> 02:11:53,599
journalist frank can you talk about it

3395
02:11:55,589 --> 02:11:54,560
sure

3396
02:11:56,470 --> 02:11:55,599
yes

3397
02:11:58,069 --> 02:11:56,480
one

3398
02:12:01,350 --> 02:11:58,079
part of our job

3399
02:12:03,350 --> 02:12:01,360
was to send a letter to the terminal

3400
02:12:06,550 --> 02:12:03,360
macron french president

3401
02:12:07,669 --> 02:12:06,560
on in newsletter we have a

3402
02:12:10,790 --> 02:12:07,679
spoke

3403
02:12:15,189 --> 02:12:14,069
encounters between military pilots

3404
02:12:18,470 --> 02:12:15,199
on the

3405
02:12:21,430 --> 02:12:18,480
euphrates and we have for example spoken

3406
02:12:24,470 --> 02:12:21,440
of the foo fighters

3407
02:12:26,149 --> 02:12:24,480
and the fact to have sent this letter to

3408
02:12:29,189 --> 02:12:26,159
the president

3409
02:12:31,669 --> 02:12:29,199
have provocated some reaction in a few

3410
02:12:35,510 --> 02:12:31,679
majors because there was a they were

3411
02:12:38,470 --> 02:12:35,520
interested and they come and ask us some

3412
02:12:42,709 --> 02:12:38,480
questions about you you for the

3413
02:12:47,830 --> 02:12:44,149
this is

3414
02:12:51,109 --> 02:12:47,840
the interesting point and i can tell you

3415
02:12:52,310 --> 02:12:51,119
about my history historical researchers

3416
02:12:55,189 --> 02:12:52,320
that there are

3417
02:12:57,990 --> 02:12:55,199
there are many common points because

3418
02:13:00,629 --> 02:12:58,000
between the ufologic histories in

3419
02:13:03,990 --> 02:13:00,639
america and in europe

3420
02:13:06,629 --> 02:13:04,000
and if i can share document i could uh

3421
02:13:08,629 --> 02:13:06,639
show you a few few pages

3422
02:13:12,390 --> 02:13:08,639
of a great uh

3423
02:13:17,430 --> 02:13:14,470
shaunie there share screen

3424
02:13:18,950 --> 02:13:17,440
i i can try zata controls

3425
02:13:21,589 --> 02:13:18,960
i don't know

3426
02:13:23,270 --> 02:13:21,599
with the plan i know he's in the chat

3427
02:13:25,589 --> 02:13:23,280
i may i just

3428
02:13:27,910 --> 02:13:25,599
screen and i will open my uh my power

3429
02:13:35,189 --> 02:13:27,920
pointer

3430
02:13:41,109 --> 02:13:37,669
we need an adult

3431
02:13:41,119 --> 02:13:49,109
do you see french field of ufology

3432
02:13:53,669 --> 02:13:51,669
no i don't see it

3433
02:13:54,790 --> 02:13:53,679
it's not popped up at the bottom

3434
02:13:59,030 --> 02:13:54,800
nope

3435
02:14:00,550 --> 02:13:59,040
okay

3436
02:14:02,310 --> 02:14:00,560
nothing

3437
02:14:04,790 --> 02:14:02,320
did you click share and click on the

3438
02:14:06,149 --> 02:14:04,800
actual screen

3439
02:14:09,350 --> 02:14:06,159
really

3440
02:14:09,360 --> 02:14:14,149
okay

3441
02:14:17,910 --> 02:14:15,750
all right there she blows

3442
02:14:21,669 --> 02:14:17,920
do you say it no

3443
02:14:24,229 --> 02:14:21,679
french photography is that it

3444
02:14:26,470 --> 02:14:24,239
i can comment

3445
02:14:28,149 --> 02:14:26,480
um that's it that's an email are you

3446
02:14:31,589 --> 02:14:28,159
sure that's right

3447
02:14:34,550 --> 02:14:31,599
no that's not the powerpoint

3448
02:14:36,709 --> 02:14:34,560
because my email was

3449
02:14:38,830 --> 02:14:36,719
but now you know what you're getting you

3450
02:14:40,950 --> 02:14:38,840
in your private time

3451
02:14:43,270 --> 02:14:40,960
break okay

3452
02:14:47,510 --> 02:14:43,280
i can't i i don't i can't read branches

3453
02:14:47,520 --> 02:14:53,109
uh yes guys i'm gonna have to um

3454
02:14:58,790 --> 02:14:55,830
in the 50s you have many uh graham's got

3455
02:15:07,189 --> 02:14:59,830
bye everybody

3456
02:15:13,350 --> 02:15:09,830
i thought he'd never leave

3457
02:15:16,470 --> 02:15:14,870
no when you're yeah when you're sharing

3458
02:15:18,629 --> 02:15:16,480
make sure you're sharing the right uh

3459
02:15:20,709 --> 02:15:18,639
chrome tab right because

3460
02:15:22,550 --> 02:15:20,719
you should have options

3461
02:15:24,950 --> 02:15:22,560
yeah okay while you do that i'm just

3462
02:15:26,550 --> 02:15:24,960
going to plug graham's book for everyone

3463
02:15:28,470 --> 02:15:26,560
if you want to look back into the

3464
02:15:30,629 --> 02:15:28,480
history and see some absolutely

3465
02:15:31,910 --> 02:15:30,639
incredible research you have to read

3466
02:15:33,990 --> 02:15:31,920
graham's book

3467
02:15:36,950 --> 02:15:34,000
ufos before roswell foo fighters

3468
02:15:39,990 --> 02:15:36,960
1940-1945

3469
02:15:42,149 --> 02:15:40,000
it's a whopper it's a beast of a book

3470
02:15:43,109 --> 02:15:42,159
but it's incredible so

3471
02:15:45,109 --> 02:15:43,119
yeah

3472
02:15:46,550 --> 02:15:45,119
check it out it's on amazon go and read

3473
02:15:53,430 --> 02:15:46,560
it

3474
02:15:55,830 --> 02:15:53,440
i'm very interested in foo fighters

3475
02:15:59,350 --> 02:15:55,840
because it's the first time here to see

3476
02:16:00,790 --> 02:15:59,360
so many testimony of pirates

3477
02:16:03,270 --> 02:16:00,800
and the

3478
02:16:06,390 --> 02:16:03,280
some foo fighters were spherical

3479
02:16:09,669 --> 02:16:06,400
and on nowadays even nowadays we cannot

3480
02:16:11,750 --> 02:16:09,679
produce a very spherical object that can

3481
02:16:14,310 --> 02:16:11,760
uh

3482
02:16:15,830 --> 02:16:14,320
go faster than the jetta

3483
02:16:18,470 --> 02:16:15,840
yeah

3484
02:16:20,069 --> 02:16:18,480
now it's the it's the best foo fighter

3485
02:16:22,229 --> 02:16:20,079
i've ever seen but like

3486
02:16:24,629 --> 02:16:22,239
text written on the foo fighter subject

3487
02:16:25,990 --> 02:16:24,639
ever it's incredible cannot recommend it

3488
02:16:28,629 --> 02:16:26,000
enough so

3489
02:16:34,549 --> 02:16:28,639
and it's really easy to read it's really

3490
02:16:38,709 --> 02:16:36,629
too much vinnie

3491
02:16:40,469 --> 02:16:38,719
you can never have too much money

3492
02:16:42,549 --> 02:16:40,479
never ever i just like how graham's like

3493
02:16:44,709 --> 02:16:42,559
i'm not an expert i'm like did you not

3494
02:16:48,950 --> 02:16:44,719
read your book that's like this you're

3495
02:16:51,509 --> 02:16:50,549
yeah there we go

3496
02:16:52,790 --> 02:16:51,519
yeah

3497
02:16:53,669 --> 02:16:52,800
so

3498
02:16:56,150 --> 02:16:53,679
that's

3499
02:16:58,150 --> 02:16:56,160
hi miriam mario

3500
02:16:59,940 --> 02:16:58,160
fine thank you good just making sure

3501
02:17:01,669 --> 02:16:59,950
you're still with us

3502
02:17:03,589 --> 02:17:01,679
[Laughter]

3503
02:17:06,549 --> 02:17:03,599
so what do you make of all the the

3504
02:17:08,150 --> 02:17:06,559
french ufo investigations

3505
02:17:10,950 --> 02:17:08,160
um

3506
02:17:13,990 --> 02:17:10,960
do you think they're making any headway

3507
02:17:14,950 --> 02:17:14,000
any progress

3508
02:17:16,709 --> 02:17:14,960
you mean

3509
02:17:18,760 --> 02:17:16,719
the question for me

3510
02:17:23,349 --> 02:17:18,770
yeah for you oh sorry

3511
02:17:25,509 --> 02:17:23,359
[Laughter]

3512
02:17:26,549 --> 02:17:25,519
yes yes really

3513
02:17:34,790 --> 02:17:26,559
because

3514
02:17:36,950 --> 02:17:34,800
scientists

3515
02:17:37,209 --> 02:17:36,960
interested in what we

3516
02:17:38,389 --> 02:17:37,219
we

3517
02:17:39,349 --> 02:17:38,399
[Music]

3518
02:17:41,030 --> 02:17:39,359
live

3519
02:17:44,549 --> 02:17:41,040
and

3520
02:17:46,309 --> 02:17:44,559
we because some of them some of uh of

3521
02:17:47,990 --> 02:17:46,319
some abductees

3522
02:17:50,790 --> 02:17:48,000
um

3523
02:17:52,309 --> 02:17:50,800
for example they didn't know anything

3524
02:17:54,870 --> 02:17:52,319
about science

3525
02:17:57,509 --> 02:17:54,880
i mean astrophysics or something like

3526
02:17:59,750 --> 02:17:57,519
that and they become

3527
02:18:03,270 --> 02:17:59,760
very uh

3528
02:18:08,709 --> 02:18:03,280
involved in in it and they got

3529
02:18:12,870 --> 02:18:11,190
teached or something like that

3530
02:18:16,629 --> 02:18:12,880
and uh

3531
02:18:19,349 --> 02:18:16,639
it's very strange because you you don't

3532
02:18:22,709 --> 02:18:19,359
study science at all

3533
02:18:23,910 --> 02:18:22,719
and you you become a very uh

3534
02:18:28,150 --> 02:18:23,920
i would say

3535
02:18:31,030 --> 02:18:28,160
someone who knows very well or

3536
02:18:34,790 --> 02:18:31,040
knows many things about science

3537
02:18:36,709 --> 02:18:34,800
and uh so we have some cases like that

3538
02:18:39,669 --> 02:18:36,719
in the association

3539
02:18:43,030 --> 02:18:39,679
and sorry because you you show a book

3540
02:18:45,190 --> 02:18:43,040
and we we we wrote a book we work on uh

3541
02:18:46,629 --> 02:18:45,200
for three years on it

3542
02:18:48,389 --> 02:18:46,639
i mean uh

3543
02:18:51,429 --> 02:18:48,399
uh meeting

3544
02:18:53,429 --> 02:18:51,439
uh aliens and this is a

3545
02:18:54,950 --> 02:18:53,439
sorry

3546
02:18:56,950 --> 02:18:54,960
um

3547
02:19:00,870 --> 02:18:56,960
from cerro france

3548
02:19:02,469 --> 02:19:00,880
and this is the first book we we

3549
02:19:03,990 --> 02:19:02,479
worked on

3550
02:19:04,830 --> 02:19:04,000
and uh

3551
02:19:06,629 --> 02:19:04,840
there

3552
02:19:07,910 --> 02:19:06,639
are uh

3553
02:19:09,270 --> 02:19:07,920
19

3554
02:19:10,389 --> 02:19:09,280
abductees

3555
02:19:12,469 --> 02:19:10,399
um

3556
02:19:15,910 --> 02:19:12,479
telling of talking about their

3557
02:19:17,830 --> 02:19:15,920
experience with some pictures

3558
02:19:22,230 --> 02:19:17,840
and

3559
02:19:24,549 --> 02:19:22,240
with the photos because i talked about

3560
02:19:26,629 --> 02:19:24,559
implants or shapes

3561
02:19:30,150 --> 02:19:26,639
inside in the body

3562
02:19:30,950 --> 02:19:30,160
and we have some some photographies

3563
02:19:32,790 --> 02:19:30,960
like

3564
02:19:34,469 --> 02:19:32,800
in usa you

3565
02:19:36,469 --> 02:19:34,479
with the doctor

3566
02:19:39,110 --> 02:19:36,479
roger lear

3567
02:19:42,309 --> 02:19:39,120
who died now

3568
02:19:46,070 --> 02:19:42,319
and but he was very very a very uh i

3569
02:19:48,469 --> 02:19:46,080
would say a scientist very open mind

3570
02:19:50,070 --> 02:19:48,479
and we help in france to to have the

3571
02:19:52,950 --> 02:19:50,080
same we

3572
02:19:54,870 --> 02:19:52,960
we every time we made a lecture

3573
02:19:57,910 --> 02:19:54,880
in france we

3574
02:20:01,510 --> 02:19:57,920
asked for some medical people

3575
02:20:03,190 --> 02:20:01,520
or a doctor or scientist to come to help

3576
02:20:04,790 --> 02:20:03,200
us to

3577
02:20:06,630 --> 02:20:04,800
to um

3578
02:20:09,110 --> 02:20:06,640
to search to

3579
02:20:12,230 --> 02:20:09,120
to find out exactly what's happened to

3580
02:20:13,030 --> 02:20:12,240
us and what the the this alien once and

3581
02:20:14,389 --> 02:20:13,040
the

3582
02:20:16,710 --> 02:20:14,399
and so on

3583
02:20:18,070 --> 02:20:16,720
and in this book uh

3584
02:20:20,550 --> 02:20:18,080
three

3585
02:20:24,550 --> 02:20:20,560
psychologists wrote something about

3586
02:20:25,670 --> 02:20:24,560
regression because we have a hypnosis

3587
02:20:26,710 --> 02:20:25,680
with them

3588
02:20:29,349 --> 02:20:26,720
we

3589
02:20:32,230 --> 02:20:29,359
some aggression

3590
02:20:34,070 --> 02:20:32,240
to find more information

3591
02:20:36,230 --> 02:20:34,080
during the because

3592
02:20:38,550 --> 02:20:36,240
of what happened to us

3593
02:20:41,110 --> 02:20:38,560
and um

3594
02:20:43,830 --> 02:20:41,120
and we have some statistics we wrote

3595
02:20:46,230 --> 02:20:43,840
some set we gave some

3596
02:20:48,230 --> 02:20:46,240
because we we tried we uh

3597
02:20:51,590 --> 02:20:48,240
we created an uh

3598
02:20:54,309 --> 02:20:51,600
a small group inside in the association

3599
02:20:58,070 --> 02:20:54,319
of first research

3600
02:20:59,590 --> 02:20:58,080
to uh to know uh to analyze

3601
02:21:01,190 --> 02:20:59,600
um

3602
02:21:05,349 --> 02:21:01,200
lights

3603
02:21:07,830 --> 02:21:05,359
when they they become they approach us

3604
02:21:09,349 --> 02:21:07,840
for example blue blue

3605
02:21:10,389 --> 02:21:09,359
blue light

3606
02:21:16,469 --> 02:21:10,399
we

3607
02:21:19,030 --> 02:21:16,479
inside during in in the the room for

3608
02:21:21,190 --> 02:21:19,040
example during the night when they come

3609
02:21:23,429 --> 02:21:21,200
when the the alien came

3610
02:21:24,870 --> 02:21:23,439
and we tried to analyze

3611
02:21:26,870 --> 02:21:24,880
what the this

3612
02:21:32,230 --> 02:21:26,880
light is

3613
02:21:39,110 --> 02:21:33,110
group

3614
02:21:41,190 --> 02:21:39,120
for people coming in in the other haven

3615
02:21:43,510 --> 02:21:41,200
have been abducted

3616
02:21:45,349 --> 02:21:43,520
we tried to analyze uh

3617
02:21:48,150 --> 02:21:45,359
many things

3618
02:21:51,670 --> 02:21:48,160
but you know we we just created the the

3619
02:21:53,190 --> 02:21:51,680
group um one year ago and it's the

3620
02:21:55,670 --> 02:21:53,200
beginning you know

3621
02:21:57,030 --> 02:21:55,680
to analyze um

3622
02:21:58,870 --> 02:21:57,040
that as

3623
02:22:01,910 --> 02:21:58,880
we we got

3624
02:22:05,590 --> 02:22:01,920
for during our abduction

3625
02:22:08,630 --> 02:22:05,600
i mean also uh when we have uh

3626
02:22:12,230 --> 02:22:08,640
we we are on a table and we

3627
02:22:17,990 --> 02:22:14,309
experiment on us

3628
02:22:20,870 --> 02:22:18,000
and we we analyze what exactly

3629
02:22:23,349 --> 02:22:20,880
we try to remember because it's very

3630
02:22:26,230 --> 02:22:23,359
hard sometimes to remember what happened

3631
02:22:29,429 --> 02:22:26,240
exactly so with the with the

3632
02:22:32,870 --> 02:22:29,439
hypnosis hypnosis

3633
02:22:34,389 --> 02:22:32,880
hypnosis or what you say hypnosis

3634
02:22:38,389 --> 02:22:34,399
hypnosis

3635
02:22:40,630 --> 02:22:38,399
we find more information

3636
02:22:41,590 --> 02:22:40,640
and it's very strange because sometimes

3637
02:22:46,150 --> 02:22:41,600
we have

3638
02:22:47,349 --> 02:22:46,160
uh

3639
02:22:49,270 --> 02:22:47,359
with the with

3640
02:22:51,750 --> 02:22:49,280
with

3641
02:22:52,480 --> 02:22:51,760
some wrong um

3642
02:22:54,469 --> 02:22:52,490
wrong

3643
02:22:54,900 --> 02:22:54,479
[Music]

3644
02:22:56,230 --> 02:22:54,910
uh

3645
02:22:59,670 --> 02:22:56,240
[Music]

3646
02:23:05,830 --> 02:23:02,710
like a screen a round screen i mean for

3647
02:23:08,950 --> 02:23:05,840
example you see uh you remember you have

3648
02:23:10,469 --> 02:23:08,960
seen a uh um

3649
02:23:12,230 --> 02:23:10,479
a rabbit

3650
02:23:12,950 --> 02:23:12,240
in the the in the

3651
02:23:15,270 --> 02:23:12,960
the

3652
02:23:18,710 --> 02:23:15,280
wood for example you were walking and

3653
02:23:20,950 --> 02:23:18,720
you remember that you've seen a rabbit a

3654
02:23:24,710 --> 02:23:20,960
very big rabbit

3655
02:23:27,750 --> 02:23:24,720
and when you when you go on a regression

3656
02:23:28,870 --> 02:23:27,760
it's it's not the rabbit it's a small

3657
02:23:31,429 --> 02:23:28,880
gray

3658
02:23:32,309 --> 02:23:31,439
people alien you see

3659
02:23:35,110 --> 02:23:32,319
and

3660
02:23:38,710 --> 02:23:35,120
you see it's very strange because we

3661
02:23:40,790 --> 02:23:38,720
we we have this kind of screen wrong

3662
02:23:44,230 --> 02:23:40,800
screen you know

3663
02:23:46,710 --> 02:23:44,240
and uh this is why we need to be helped

3664
02:23:49,670 --> 02:23:46,720
by up psychologists

3665
02:23:52,550 --> 02:23:49,680
to understand exactly what

3666
02:23:56,550 --> 02:23:54,230
could meet

3667
02:23:59,270 --> 02:23:56,560
during the addiction

3668
02:24:03,270 --> 02:23:59,280
and we have missing time

3669
02:24:06,550 --> 02:24:03,280
sometimes we notice the missing times

3670
02:24:09,050 --> 02:24:06,560
many things because it's so

3671
02:24:11,510 --> 02:24:09,060
so um

3672
02:24:12,790 --> 02:24:11,520
[Music]

3673
02:24:15,590 --> 02:24:12,800
complex

3674
02:24:17,270 --> 02:24:15,600
i would say the abduction and around the

3675
02:24:21,030 --> 02:24:17,280
abduction

3676
02:24:23,510 --> 02:24:21,040
and we tried to analyze also

3677
02:24:25,270 --> 02:24:23,520
the object the ufo

3678
02:24:27,510 --> 02:24:25,280
how was the ufo

3679
02:24:29,429 --> 02:24:27,520
how it

3680
02:24:30,469 --> 02:24:29,439
inside

3681
02:24:34,550 --> 02:24:30,479
i think

3682
02:24:36,950 --> 02:24:34,560
the in usa maybe groups do the same but

3683
02:24:39,190 --> 02:24:36,960
i'm not sure uh

3684
02:24:42,630 --> 02:24:39,200
but in france in the group in our

3685
02:24:45,670 --> 02:24:42,640
association we we do that

3686
02:24:48,469 --> 02:24:45,680
so the the new group

3687
02:24:50,070 --> 02:24:48,479
sorry oh i was just gonna ask you do you

3688
02:24:53,429 --> 02:24:50,080
ever

3689
02:24:56,309 --> 02:24:53,439
look to people like um bud hopkins for

3690
02:24:58,630 --> 02:24:56,319
instance or

3691
02:25:00,950 --> 02:24:58,640
or or any you know

3692
02:25:03,190 --> 02:25:00,960
let's say um

3693
02:25:05,830 --> 02:25:03,200
an american psychologist that you know

3694
02:25:07,910 --> 02:25:05,840
has been doing it for a while

3695
02:25:10,150 --> 02:25:07,920
not that he he wasn't a psychologist but

3696
02:25:11,750 --> 02:25:10,160
you know any groups in america do you

3697
02:25:13,910 --> 02:25:11,760
try to replicate that at all or do you

3698
02:25:15,910 --> 02:25:13,920
do your own thing

3699
02:25:18,070 --> 02:25:15,920
um

3700
02:25:19,750 --> 02:25:18,080
in usa we met

3701
02:25:21,750 --> 02:25:19,760
dr

3702
02:25:25,750 --> 02:25:21,760
jacobs

3703
02:25:26,429 --> 02:25:25,760
because he came to he came to france

3704
02:25:30,710 --> 02:25:26,439
in

3705
02:25:33,190 --> 02:25:30,720
2018 and we talked about what he with

3706
02:25:33,640 --> 02:25:33,200
about butter kings and what brother

3707
02:25:35,270 --> 02:25:33,650
prince

3708
02:25:36,830 --> 02:25:35,280
[Music]

3709
02:25:38,710 --> 02:25:36,840
used to

3710
02:25:41,670 --> 02:25:38,720
to

3711
02:25:44,790 --> 02:25:41,680
found out

3712
02:25:56,309 --> 02:25:44,800
with the object is that

3713
02:25:59,590 --> 02:25:57,910
we have

3714
02:26:02,630 --> 02:25:59,600
the vice president

3715
02:26:08,740 --> 02:26:02,640
who created the the association with me

3716
02:26:13,349 --> 02:26:09,990
[Music]

3717
02:26:14,790 --> 02:26:13,359
was very impressed by the work of

3718
02:26:15,910 --> 02:26:14,800
of dr

3719
02:26:18,070 --> 02:26:15,920
john mack

3720
02:26:19,110 --> 02:26:18,080
and we

3721
02:26:20,630 --> 02:26:19,120
we met

3722
02:26:21,990 --> 02:26:20,640
sever a lot of

3723
02:26:25,030 --> 02:26:22,000
adoptees

3724
02:26:26,389 --> 02:26:25,040
when they read the book you know offer

3725
02:26:30,630 --> 02:26:26,399
this uh

3726
02:26:32,830 --> 02:26:30,640
psych secret see cup

3727
02:26:35,750 --> 02:26:32,840
excuse me

3728
02:26:38,550 --> 02:26:35,760
um uh

3729
02:26:40,630 --> 02:26:38,560
was they were very uh

3730
02:26:43,590 --> 02:26:40,640
shocked because they

3731
02:26:45,670 --> 02:26:43,600
they said yes i i'm

3732
02:26:46,469 --> 02:26:45,680
remember something

3733
02:26:52,469 --> 02:26:46,479
uh

3734
02:26:53,750 --> 02:26:52,479
experience

3735
02:26:57,110 --> 02:26:53,760
and it was

3736
02:26:59,510 --> 02:26:57,120
my uh the same for me you know

3737
02:27:01,110 --> 02:26:59,520
because i remember i remember

3738
02:27:02,630 --> 02:27:01,120
some

3739
02:27:04,550 --> 02:27:02,640
memories

3740
02:27:07,580 --> 02:27:04,560
when i was young

3741
02:27:08,950 --> 02:27:07,590
and then one as i was a

3742
02:27:10,309 --> 02:27:08,960
[Music]

3743
02:27:14,830 --> 02:27:10,319
young woman

3744
02:27:18,710 --> 02:27:14,840
and i used to see during the night some

3745
02:27:21,190 --> 02:27:18,720
small small people like not like not

3746
02:27:22,710 --> 02:27:21,200
alien but it was like you know in the

3747
02:27:27,510 --> 02:27:22,720
fairy tale

3748
02:27:28,309 --> 02:27:27,520
some people very small

3749
02:27:32,150 --> 02:27:28,319
but

3750
02:27:33,510 --> 02:27:32,160
the face was where was sorry the face

3751
02:27:35,990 --> 02:27:33,520
was uh

3752
02:27:37,270 --> 02:27:36,000
uh weird you know

3753
02:27:41,110 --> 02:27:37,280
and uh

3754
02:27:43,190 --> 02:27:41,120
but i thought it was in my mind so i i

3755
02:27:45,510 --> 02:27:43,200
thought it was a nightmare or something

3756
02:27:49,190 --> 02:27:45,520
like that every time yeah

3757
02:27:51,910 --> 02:27:49,200
so when i read and i i talked to some

3758
02:27:54,790 --> 02:27:51,920
other advocates in france

3759
02:27:57,910 --> 02:27:54,800
and we met together and we

3760
02:27:59,510 --> 02:27:57,920
we found out that we we met this we have

3761
02:28:02,550 --> 02:27:59,520
the same

3762
02:28:04,950 --> 02:28:02,560
same uh description you know

3763
02:28:09,830 --> 02:28:04,960
and uh

3764
02:28:10,870 --> 02:28:09,840
we we found out that it was gray grace

3765
02:28:13,349 --> 02:28:10,880
you know

3766
02:28:16,070 --> 02:28:13,359
and um

3767
02:28:21,030 --> 02:28:18,469
it's uh it's it's difficult to explain

3768
02:28:23,190 --> 02:28:21,040
in english i try my best oh you're do

3769
02:28:23,910 --> 02:28:23,200
you're doing a fantastic job really and

3770
02:28:27,270 --> 02:28:23,920
i

3771
02:28:30,469 --> 02:28:27,280
want to thank you for the the strength

3772
02:28:32,950 --> 02:28:30,479
to come on here and do this because

3773
02:28:35,670 --> 02:28:32,960
you know being an experiencer in general

3774
02:28:37,590 --> 02:28:35,680
um i'm not an abductee but you know an

3775
02:28:40,630 --> 02:28:37,600
experiencer and even that

3776
02:28:43,270 --> 02:28:40,640
is hard to to come out in public and

3777
02:28:45,030 --> 02:28:43,280
tell people about you know because most

3778
02:28:47,830 --> 02:28:45,040
of the time you're just wondering if if

3779
02:28:49,270 --> 02:28:47,840
you're crazy or not yeah you know and

3780
02:28:50,469 --> 02:28:49,280
and when you do come out and say

3781
02:28:53,590 --> 02:28:50,479
something

3782
02:28:55,270 --> 02:28:53,600
about your experience it's almost like

3783
02:28:57,910 --> 02:28:55,280
um

3784
02:29:00,550 --> 02:28:57,920
it's like a final decision type of thing

3785
02:29:01,590 --> 02:29:00,560
you know like once i do this

3786
02:29:05,110 --> 02:29:01,600
you know

3787
02:29:06,790 --> 02:29:05,120
um and telling people about this like i

3788
02:29:12,070 --> 02:29:06,800
i'm committed

3789
02:29:13,990 --> 02:29:12,080
you know at least verbally that

3790
02:29:16,550 --> 02:29:14,000
this happened to me

3791
02:29:17,510 --> 02:29:16,560
you know physically and really

3792
02:29:18,389 --> 02:29:17,520
you know

3793
02:29:20,469 --> 02:29:18,399
um

3794
02:29:23,830 --> 02:29:20,479
versus you know continuing to battle

3795
02:29:25,750 --> 02:29:23,840
with it in your own head you know so

3796
02:29:27,910 --> 02:29:25,760
it's like when when you make that choice

3797
02:29:30,550 --> 02:29:27,920
to come out and tell people it's a big

3798
02:29:33,349 --> 02:29:30,560
deal because you're almost admitting it

3799
02:29:34,870 --> 02:29:33,359
to yourself at that point too yeah

3800
02:29:37,270 --> 02:29:34,880
exactly yeah right

3801
02:29:39,349 --> 02:29:37,280
and it's not easy and then to come on

3802
02:29:41,030 --> 02:29:39,359
and do a public forum

3803
02:29:43,429 --> 02:29:41,040
you know like this or

3804
02:29:45,349 --> 02:29:43,439
even in in real life

3805
02:29:47,429 --> 02:29:45,359
you know in front of real

3806
02:29:50,070 --> 02:29:47,439
physical human beings like

3807
02:29:52,469 --> 02:29:50,080
um that's that's not easy and then to go

3808
02:29:54,389 --> 02:29:52,479
further into details and and you know

3809
02:29:56,230 --> 02:29:54,399
try to explain it to

3810
02:29:57,830 --> 02:29:56,240
a bunch of people like us

3811
02:30:01,110 --> 02:29:57,840
you know at least you know

3812
02:30:02,550 --> 02:30:01,120
english-speaking um knobs like vinnie

3813
02:30:04,870 --> 02:30:02,560
and i are

3814
02:30:07,190 --> 02:30:04,880
and you know we really appreciate you

3815
02:30:09,349 --> 02:30:07,200
taking the time to do that um

3816
02:30:10,710 --> 02:30:09,359
and and the strength and courage it

3817
02:30:11,670 --> 02:30:10,720
takes

3818
02:30:13,910 --> 02:30:11,680
for you

3819
02:30:17,750 --> 02:30:13,920
to do that is is really

3820
02:30:19,510 --> 02:30:17,760
um respectable you know and admirable um

3821
02:30:20,870 --> 02:30:19,520
because not everyone can do it a lot of

3822
02:30:21,830 --> 02:30:20,880
people just live with it their whole

3823
02:30:24,550 --> 02:30:21,840
lives and

3824
02:30:27,110 --> 02:30:24,560
and they don't really um you know

3825
02:30:29,110 --> 02:30:27,120
say anything to anyone so with that

3826
02:30:32,550 --> 02:30:29,120
being said i want to bring in someone

3827
02:30:35,190 --> 02:30:32,560
from a group called um uh the

3828
02:30:37,110 --> 02:30:35,200
experiencers uh he's become a really

3829
02:30:39,110 --> 02:30:37,120
great friend to me

3830
02:30:41,590 --> 02:30:39,120
um and i joined that group and it's you

3831
02:30:44,389 --> 02:30:41,600
know i want to be more a part of it as

3832
02:30:46,469 --> 02:30:44,399
time goes on um but the couple sessions

3833
02:30:48,230 --> 02:30:46,479
i've taken part in were immensely

3834
02:30:50,389 --> 02:30:48,240
helpful and informative

3835
02:30:52,309 --> 02:30:50,399
so without further ado

3836
02:30:53,590 --> 02:30:52,319
mr j christopher king

3837
02:30:55,190 --> 02:30:53,600
how are you

3838
02:30:57,910 --> 02:30:55,200
hey you're doing well it's great to see

3839
02:30:59,429 --> 02:30:57,920
you oh my gosh i get applause

3840
02:31:02,389 --> 02:30:59,439
that's wonderful

3841
02:31:05,110 --> 02:31:02,399
no i i i deeply appreciate um what she

3842
02:31:07,190 --> 02:31:05,120
was just speaking of and and

3843
02:31:09,429 --> 02:31:07,200
uh i kind of had to tap in you know i

3844
02:31:11,030 --> 02:31:09,439
tapped in a little bit early because i i

3845
02:31:14,230 --> 02:31:11,040
feel where she's coming from

3846
02:31:15,830 --> 02:31:14,240
um it's so wonderful to be here and i'm

3847
02:31:17,830 --> 02:31:15,840
i'm psyched and you know one of the

3848
02:31:18,550 --> 02:31:17,840
things that that's most amazing to me is

3849
02:31:20,790 --> 02:31:18,560
just

3850
02:31:24,309 --> 02:31:20,800
looking at this group and having this

3851
02:31:25,270 --> 02:31:24,319
day and this week and this anniversary

3852
02:31:34,150 --> 02:31:25,280
and

3853
02:31:36,309 --> 02:31:34,160
having more colleagues important

3854
02:31:37,910 --> 02:31:36,319
colleagues significant colleagues uh

3855
02:31:40,150 --> 02:31:37,920
from around the world participating in

3856
02:31:43,110 --> 02:31:40,160
this conversation which is incredible

3857
02:31:45,429 --> 02:31:43,120
you know i mean one of the things along

3858
02:31:47,349 --> 02:31:45,439
with with what miriam and others here

3859
02:31:48,630 --> 02:31:47,359
have been speaking about you know

3860
02:31:49,429 --> 02:31:48,640
um

3861
02:31:51,670 --> 02:31:49,439
and

3862
02:31:53,110 --> 02:31:51,680
sean was just mentioning with with

3863
02:31:54,469 --> 02:31:53,120
support groups and things like that for

3864
02:31:57,270 --> 02:31:54,479
experiencers

3865
02:32:00,230 --> 02:31:57,280
i've been in hundreds of hours of

3866
02:32:01,590 --> 02:32:00,240
support groups for experiencers and

3867
02:32:03,110 --> 02:32:01,600
and one

3868
02:32:04,389 --> 02:32:03,120
one of the most

3869
02:32:05,590 --> 02:32:04,399
um

3870
02:32:08,309 --> 02:32:05,600
sadly

3871
02:32:10,469 --> 02:32:08,319
like one group that that that has

3872
02:32:11,910 --> 02:32:10,479
the hardest time these days are people

3873
02:32:17,510 --> 02:32:11,920
from the eu

3874
02:32:18,790 --> 02:32:17,520
because it's so maligned you know like

3875
02:32:21,110 --> 02:32:18,800
there's i mean

3876
02:32:24,309 --> 02:32:21,120
there's always a broad range

3877
02:32:26,309 --> 02:32:24,319
everywhere you know um but but some of

3878
02:32:27,510 --> 02:32:26,319
the cases that i've heard from the eu

3879
02:32:29,429 --> 02:32:27,520
it's just

3880
02:32:31,910 --> 02:32:29,439
you're between a rock and a hard place

3881
02:32:34,950 --> 02:32:31,920
because you're the there's there's the

3882
02:32:35,990 --> 02:32:34,960
ontological shock of the event itself

3883
02:32:37,990 --> 02:32:36,000
and then

3884
02:32:40,389 --> 02:32:38,000
facing a community that absolutely

3885
02:32:42,309 --> 02:32:40,399
doesn't want to hear about it whatsoever

3886
02:32:43,349 --> 02:32:42,319
you know at least in the u.s we have

3887
02:32:48,309 --> 02:32:43,359
enough

3888
02:32:50,630 --> 02:32:48,319
that there's a little bit of a tether

3889
02:32:53,590 --> 02:32:50,640
and even still you know this year it was

3890
02:32:56,389 --> 02:32:53,600
challenging for myself to to

3891
02:32:58,389 --> 02:32:56,399
come out of the closet so uh miriam i i

3892
02:32:59,590 --> 02:32:58,399
really appreciate uh what are you doing

3893
02:33:01,190 --> 02:32:59,600
here today

3894
02:33:02,790 --> 02:33:01,200
it's great to be here

3895
02:33:04,150 --> 02:33:02,800
first of all this is my new favorite way

3896
02:33:06,550 --> 02:33:04,160
of doing it because whenever i want to

3897
02:33:10,550 --> 02:33:06,560
butt in it's like my face is taking up

3898
02:33:11,990 --> 02:33:10,560
the whole screen so it's my turn

3899
02:33:13,910 --> 02:33:12,000
no but um

3900
02:33:16,630 --> 02:33:13,920
that's that's a great point

3901
02:33:19,030 --> 02:33:16,640
um that mr gm made like um

3902
02:33:21,670 --> 02:33:19,040
he was anonymous for a long time you

3903
02:33:22,469 --> 02:33:21,680
know in in dolan books and and

3904
02:33:24,469 --> 02:33:22,479
in

3905
02:33:26,550 --> 02:33:24,479
that article that came out by mr ralph

3906
02:33:27,429 --> 02:33:26,560
blumenthal who lucky enough we're going

3907
02:33:29,990 --> 02:33:27,439
to be

3908
02:33:31,830 --> 02:33:30,000
uh having him on here later

3909
02:33:34,550 --> 02:33:31,840
um that was a

3910
02:33:36,150 --> 02:33:34,560
big deal can you imagine like

3911
02:33:38,230 --> 02:33:36,160
you know when i came out and talked

3912
02:33:41,110 --> 02:33:38,240
about my experience on my show i had

3913
02:33:43,590 --> 02:33:41,120
like 15 or 10 people watching me at the

3914
02:33:45,349 --> 02:33:43,600
time like not many people were aware of

3915
02:33:47,270 --> 02:33:45,359
what i was doing or whatever so that you

3916
02:33:48,710 --> 02:33:47,280
know it it's kind of easy and i did it

3917
02:33:51,270 --> 02:33:48,720
that way because i didn't really have

3918
02:33:53,750 --> 02:33:51,280
anyone in in real life in my

3919
02:33:56,150 --> 02:33:53,760
in this life you know outside here that

3920
02:33:58,070 --> 02:33:56,160
i thought i could tell so that was like

3921
02:33:58,790 --> 02:33:58,080
unique in that way

3922
02:33:59,670 --> 02:33:58,800
but

3923
02:34:00,630 --> 02:33:59,680
um

3924
02:34:02,389 --> 02:34:00,640
his

3925
02:34:04,950 --> 02:34:02,399
decision to

3926
02:34:06,790 --> 02:34:04,960
go public with his story

3927
02:34:10,790 --> 02:34:06,800
went out to

3928
02:34:11,750 --> 02:34:10,800
like everybody at the same time you know

3929
02:34:12,790 --> 02:34:11,760
um

3930
02:34:14,150 --> 02:34:12,800
i don't know

3931
02:34:17,110 --> 02:34:14,160
how you

3932
02:34:19,429 --> 02:34:17,120
deal with that and people who may have

3933
02:34:20,150 --> 02:34:19,439
not known that you had that experience

3934
02:34:23,910 --> 02:34:20,160
and

3935
02:34:25,830 --> 02:34:23,920
you know

3936
02:34:27,510 --> 02:34:25,840
um and egos and

3937
02:34:29,750 --> 02:34:27,520
and all that sort of stuff i i don't

3938
02:34:31,270 --> 02:34:29,760
know how you deal with that

3939
02:34:33,910 --> 02:34:31,280
let alone when there's no support

3940
02:34:35,030 --> 02:34:33,920
systems and you're in a country

3941
02:34:37,270 --> 02:34:35,040
where

3942
02:34:39,510 --> 02:34:37,280
there isn't really any attention going

3943
02:34:43,349 --> 02:34:39,520
towards making support systems

3944
02:34:45,349 --> 02:34:43,359
um so you know it's super respect

3945
02:34:46,469 --> 02:34:45,359
to everybody all you guys who who have

3946
02:34:48,870 --> 02:34:46,479
done that

3947
02:34:52,630 --> 02:34:48,880
um i really admire that and even to

3948
02:34:55,110 --> 02:34:52,640
people who aren't experiencers

3949
02:34:57,270 --> 02:34:55,120
but are still here

3950
02:34:58,550 --> 02:34:57,280
without judgment

3951
02:35:01,590 --> 02:34:58,560
and listening

3952
02:35:03,830 --> 02:35:01,600
yes you know without um

3953
02:35:06,870 --> 02:35:03,840
you know posing their will or opinion on

3954
02:35:08,150 --> 02:35:06,880
everybody else you know it's it's okay

3955
02:35:10,950 --> 02:35:08,160
to say

3956
02:35:13,429 --> 02:35:10,960
i don't know but i care

3957
02:35:14,630 --> 02:35:13,439
you know i care i'm listening i don't

3958
02:35:20,230 --> 02:35:14,640
understand

3959
02:35:23,349 --> 02:35:20,240
you know to a certain extent because

3960
02:35:27,510 --> 02:35:23,359
mine was different and vice versa but

3961
02:35:29,670 --> 02:35:27,520
it's i think the more we can say i don't

3962
02:35:31,429 --> 02:35:29,680
know but i care

3963
02:35:34,710 --> 02:35:31,439
like the better off we're going to be dr

3964
02:35:36,230 --> 02:35:34,720
sean espeon um noed excited says right

3965
02:35:37,670 --> 02:35:36,240
the first uh

3966
02:35:40,389 --> 02:35:37,680
um

3967
02:35:41,830 --> 02:35:40,399
he's got like the first program

3968
02:35:43,510 --> 02:35:41,840
uh where you can actually like get a

3969
02:35:44,389 --> 02:35:43,520
degree for it

3970
02:35:45,590 --> 02:35:44,399
you know

3971
02:35:47,590 --> 02:35:45,600
and um

3972
02:35:50,389 --> 02:35:47,600
he really said something that i still

3973
02:35:52,870 --> 02:35:50,399
say to this day and it's really how we

3974
02:35:54,630 --> 02:35:52,880
should treat each other and not even

3975
02:35:57,750 --> 02:35:54,640
just this sense but like almost all

3976
02:35:59,830 --> 02:35:57,760
senses which is take it seriously

3977
02:36:01,910 --> 02:35:59,840
hold it lightly right

3978
02:36:03,910 --> 02:36:01,920
yeah absolutely i'd just like to say one

3979
02:36:04,710 --> 02:36:03,920
thing is that for anybody watching this

3980
02:36:07,590 --> 02:36:04,720
that

3981
02:36:09,349 --> 02:36:07,600
has had a sighting or an experience or

3982
02:36:12,469 --> 02:36:09,359
anything

3983
02:36:14,550 --> 02:36:12,479
in we do see the focus being on military

3984
02:36:16,710 --> 02:36:14,560
sightings and military experiences in

3985
02:36:19,750 --> 02:36:16,720
the media and that's what seems to be

3986
02:36:21,670 --> 02:36:19,760
pushed out there in the broader picture

3987
02:36:23,830 --> 02:36:21,680
but i don't want that to stop people

3988
02:36:25,590 --> 02:36:23,840
coming forward you know i'm not an

3989
02:36:27,510 --> 02:36:25,600
experiencer i've never seen anything but

3990
02:36:30,389 --> 02:36:27,520
i certainly provide a platform where

3991
02:36:32,630 --> 02:36:30,399
people can come forward and talk

3992
02:36:35,270 --> 02:36:32,640
without fear of ridicule or any

3993
02:36:37,429 --> 02:36:35,280
negativity towards them you know and if

3994
02:36:39,830 --> 02:36:37,439
that could help help you that i'm all

3995
02:36:41,990 --> 02:36:39,840
for that i may not be able to be the one

3996
02:36:44,309 --> 02:36:42,000
helping you but i can certainly then

3997
02:36:46,550 --> 02:36:44,319
direct you in a direction to people like

3998
02:36:48,150 --> 02:36:46,560
jay from the experience of group or or

3999
02:36:49,910 --> 02:36:48,160
other people but

4000
02:36:51,510 --> 02:36:49,920
you know the there are people that you

4001
02:36:53,270 --> 02:36:51,520
can talk to and i don't want anybody out

4002
02:36:54,870 --> 02:36:53,280
there to feel alone you know and like i

4003
02:36:57,030 --> 02:36:54,880
said i'm not from that background i'm a

4004
02:36:59,429 --> 02:36:57,040
very nuts and bolts researcher but my

4005
02:37:00,790 --> 02:36:59,439
platform is for everybody so i don't

4006
02:37:02,790 --> 02:37:00,800
want anybody to ever feel like they

4007
02:37:06,790 --> 02:37:02,800
can't come forward so i just wanted to

4008
02:37:09,110 --> 02:37:06,800
say that um i wanted to thank miriam uh

4009
02:37:10,790 --> 02:37:09,120
for speaking about it and jay i had no

4010
02:37:13,750 --> 02:37:10,800
idea that you just

4011
02:37:15,990 --> 02:37:13,760
talked about your experience um

4012
02:37:17,670 --> 02:37:16,000
it's i had my first my first my

4013
02:37:20,230 --> 02:37:17,680
experiences started when i was five and

4014
02:37:22,790 --> 02:37:20,240
i don't offer this a lot um i kind of

4015
02:37:24,150 --> 02:37:22,800
went all out and offered the whole story

4016
02:37:27,270 --> 02:37:24,160
on that one time i was abducted by

4017
02:37:29,429 --> 02:37:27,280
aliens podcast which i i feel that in

4018
02:37:30,950 --> 02:37:29,439
your stomach like uh like

4019
02:37:32,469 --> 02:37:30,960
like when you when you're about to talk

4020
02:37:34,230 --> 02:37:32,479
about it to anybody

4021
02:37:35,830 --> 02:37:34,240
it's like your stomach knots up because

4022
02:37:38,469 --> 02:37:35,840
you don't know

4023
02:37:40,630 --> 02:37:38,479
how somebody's going to react and

4024
02:37:42,150 --> 02:37:40,640
after i did that podcast

4025
02:37:44,309 --> 02:37:42,160
i was like

4026
02:37:47,590 --> 02:37:44,319
wow like i just said all this craziness

4027
02:37:49,590 --> 02:37:47,600
and it's out there forever um but i want

4028
02:37:51,670 --> 02:37:49,600
to hold space for people

4029
02:37:53,590 --> 02:37:51,680
in this topic if whether their

4030
02:37:56,630 --> 02:37:53,600
experience was just a light in the sky

4031
02:37:58,870 --> 02:37:56,640
or whether they had an actual abduction

4032
02:38:00,389 --> 02:37:58,880
how can i do that without talking about

4033
02:38:02,469 --> 02:38:00,399
my experience

4034
02:38:04,870 --> 02:38:02,479
but um wow i did not know that i because

4035
02:38:06,469 --> 02:38:04,880
i've went since i found out about jay he

4036
02:38:07,910 --> 02:38:06,479
would have always been um

4037
02:38:09,990 --> 02:38:07,920
you know experiencer group so i just

4038
02:38:11,510 --> 02:38:10,000
assumed that you were open about it

4039
02:38:12,870 --> 02:38:11,520
and then um i didn't realize that was

4040
02:38:15,830 --> 02:38:12,880
the first time that you talked about it

4041
02:38:18,389 --> 02:38:15,840
publicly so i have so much love for you

4042
02:38:19,830 --> 02:38:18,399
and miriam right now and um

4043
02:38:22,230 --> 02:38:19,840
really like a lot of the things that you

4044
02:38:25,510 --> 02:38:22,240
guys describe that i thought

4045
02:38:28,070 --> 02:38:25,520
was weird um around my experience

4046
02:38:30,630 --> 02:38:28,080
uh it was kind of like wow like that is

4047
02:38:33,030 --> 02:38:30,640
very common uh so thank you for being

4048
02:38:35,670 --> 02:38:33,040
advocates for that and uh

4049
02:38:37,910 --> 02:38:35,680
making the experiences listening he now

4050
02:38:40,830 --> 02:38:37,920
and in the future like feel less uh

4051
02:38:44,309 --> 02:38:42,950
oh of course yeah of course and i and

4052
02:38:45,670 --> 02:38:44,319
that's that's

4053
02:38:48,309 --> 02:38:45,680
that's why

4054
02:38:50,389 --> 02:38:48,319
me karen robin others in that article

4055
02:38:51,990 --> 02:38:50,399
did that and and why it's so good to

4056
02:38:53,750 --> 02:38:52,000
have miriam here and others you know

4057
02:38:55,349 --> 02:38:53,760
this this conversation

4058
02:38:57,990 --> 02:38:55,359
needs to develop when we're talking

4059
02:38:59,990 --> 02:38:58,000
about disclosure

4060
02:39:02,469 --> 02:39:00,000
from a political a governmental

4061
02:39:03,990 --> 02:39:02,479
perspective that is very important but

4062
02:39:06,309 --> 02:39:04,000
you know there are other pressure points

4063
02:39:07,750 --> 02:39:06,319
that we can work on here as well

4064
02:39:08,710 --> 02:39:07,760
and and

4065
02:39:12,309 --> 02:39:08,720
so it's

4066
02:39:13,910 --> 02:39:12,319
there's one very important one that i i

4067
02:39:15,510 --> 02:39:13,920
like to think about is the personal

4068
02:39:18,870 --> 02:39:15,520
disclosure aspect

4069
02:39:21,429 --> 02:39:18,880
the the aspect of of talking about your

4070
02:39:24,309 --> 02:39:21,439
own experiences with just even the

4071
02:39:25,910 --> 02:39:24,319
people around you that you know that

4072
02:39:28,389 --> 02:39:25,920
they care about you

4073
02:39:30,550 --> 02:39:28,399
that you love you know your families

4074
02:39:33,270 --> 02:39:30,560
your friends even that can be very very

4075
02:39:36,230 --> 02:39:33,280
difficult but but with the people in

4076
02:39:37,990 --> 02:39:36,240
your circle that you trust being able to

4077
02:39:41,110 --> 02:39:38,000
think and try to approach those

4078
02:39:43,750 --> 02:39:41,120
situations this the this

4079
02:39:45,990 --> 02:39:43,760
the moment that we're in here which is

4080
02:39:48,630 --> 02:39:46,000
things are coalescing in such an amazing

4081
02:39:50,230 --> 02:39:48,640
rate right now you know i mean look at

4082
02:39:51,910 --> 02:39:50,240
what we're doing here look at what

4083
02:39:55,030 --> 02:39:51,920
happened this week look at what happened

4084
02:39:57,110 --> 02:39:55,040
for just four years ago it's incredible

4085
02:39:59,270 --> 02:39:57,120
and so the idea of being able to grow

4086
02:40:02,150 --> 02:39:59,280
these things organically grow grow these

4087
02:40:05,429 --> 02:40:02,160
conversations organically is is

4088
02:40:09,990 --> 02:40:07,670
maybe as important or maybe even more

4089
02:40:12,550 --> 02:40:10,000
important than us being able to get

4090
02:40:15,110 --> 02:40:12,560
paperwork or admissions and things like

4091
02:40:15,990 --> 02:40:15,120
that um from a governmental perspective

4092
02:40:20,790 --> 02:40:16,000
because

4093
02:40:22,230 --> 02:40:20,800
power you know like that's that's always

4094
02:40:23,030 --> 02:40:22,240
been the case and it always will be the

4095
02:40:24,870 --> 02:40:23,040
case

4096
02:40:27,510 --> 02:40:24,880
yeah the more people the better off you

4097
02:40:29,429 --> 02:40:27,520
are i think the the side of the the

4098
02:40:32,630 --> 02:40:29,439
government aspect and the paperwork or

4099
02:40:35,030 --> 02:40:32,640
the admissions or whatever is

4100
02:40:36,950 --> 02:40:35,040
you know for better for worse it's

4101
02:40:39,510 --> 02:40:36,960
it's something that you can point to

4102
02:40:42,309 --> 02:40:39,520
right for for other people um that may

4103
02:40:45,590 --> 02:40:42,319
not be looking at this stuff so where

4104
02:40:47,990 --> 02:40:45,600
you can say hey uh the government has a

4105
02:40:50,469 --> 02:40:48,000
task force where they're investigating

4106
02:40:53,750 --> 02:40:50,479
ufos and they're sending people out in

4107
02:40:56,950 --> 02:40:53,760
the field to do this stuff you know um

4108
02:40:59,830 --> 02:40:56,960
and it's it's just because right like

4109
02:41:03,510 --> 02:40:59,840
experiencers or even ufologists or

4110
02:41:05,349 --> 02:41:03,520
researchers like we're always a peg down

4111
02:41:07,110 --> 02:41:05,359
when we try to explain anything to

4112
02:41:08,710 --> 02:41:07,120
anyone else you know

4113
02:41:11,429 --> 02:41:08,720
um that may not

4114
02:41:13,910 --> 02:41:11,439
really care about this subject

4115
02:41:15,910 --> 02:41:13,920
we're always running uphill

4116
02:41:17,510 --> 02:41:15,920
you know when we try to talk about it

4117
02:41:19,990 --> 02:41:17,520
and so

4118
02:41:23,110 --> 02:41:20,000
the way i look at it is um anything

4119
02:41:23,990 --> 02:41:23,120
that's positive you know i'll take it so

4120
02:41:24,950 --> 02:41:24,000
like

4121
02:41:27,030 --> 02:41:24,960
um

4122
02:41:29,429 --> 02:41:27,040
the more people that we have from all

4123
02:41:31,750 --> 02:41:29,439
facets of ufology experiences

4124
02:41:33,830 --> 02:41:31,760
researchers coming together like this as

4125
02:41:34,870 --> 02:41:33,840
you said jay is is what's going to bake

4126
02:41:37,670 --> 02:41:34,880
the cake

4127
02:41:40,870 --> 02:41:37,680
you know and um the government and

4128
02:41:43,030 --> 02:41:40,880
paperwork and you know ending secrecy is

4129
02:41:44,950 --> 02:41:43,040
you know so to speak the the sprinkles

4130
02:41:47,670 --> 02:41:44,960
on top and the cream in the middle and

4131
02:41:49,590 --> 02:41:47,680
all that kind of stuff you know but none

4132
02:41:51,990 --> 02:41:49,600
of that would happen for instance if it

4133
02:41:55,429 --> 02:41:52,000
wasn't for us people

4134
02:41:58,389 --> 02:41:55,439
um who cared with conviction and passion

4135
02:42:00,870 --> 02:41:58,399
um to hit on um you know as many

4136
02:42:02,950 --> 02:42:00,880
pressure points as we can as you know to

4137
02:42:05,670 --> 02:42:02,960
take that from j i love that

4138
02:42:06,790 --> 02:42:05,680
um we can tap many other pressure points

4139
02:42:09,030 --> 02:42:06,800
yeah

4140
02:42:10,230 --> 02:42:09,040
so with that being said um

4141
02:42:13,910 --> 02:42:10,240
baptiste

4142
02:42:16,469 --> 02:42:13,920
uh frank uh miriam is there anything um

4143
02:42:18,389 --> 02:42:16,479
bill is there any

4144
02:42:20,790 --> 02:42:18,399
guillaume

4145
02:42:22,790 --> 02:42:20,800
thank you jerry that's nice actually i

4146
02:42:24,309 --> 02:42:22,800
had a quick question for miami that's

4147
02:42:28,070 --> 02:42:24,319
fine

4148
02:42:32,550 --> 02:42:30,630
i'll be quick i promise

4149
02:42:35,110 --> 02:42:32,560
to what extent has

4150
02:42:38,830 --> 02:42:35,120
creating your ciro group

4151
02:42:40,630 --> 02:42:38,840
helped you deal with your own experience

4152
02:42:42,150 --> 02:42:40,640
um

4153
02:42:43,830 --> 02:42:42,160
uh uh you know

4154
02:42:44,950 --> 02:42:43,840
i searched uh

4155
02:42:47,830 --> 02:42:44,960
in uh

4156
02:42:51,990 --> 02:42:47,840
2012

4157
02:42:52,870 --> 02:42:52,000
a place in france to to uh

4158
02:42:53,590 --> 02:42:52,880
because

4159
02:42:55,750 --> 02:42:53,600
of

4160
02:42:57,110 --> 02:42:55,760
my experiences

4161
02:42:58,950 --> 02:42:57,120
during

4162
02:43:00,469 --> 02:42:58,960
years many years

4163
02:43:03,190 --> 02:43:00,479
about abduction

4164
02:43:05,830 --> 02:43:03,200
so i tried to find the place where i

4165
02:43:06,790 --> 02:43:05,840
could talk about that and

4166
02:43:08,630 --> 02:43:06,800
really

4167
02:43:09,990 --> 02:43:08,640
be um

4168
02:43:12,950 --> 02:43:10,000
uh

4169
02:43:16,070 --> 02:43:12,960
yes to talk about that you know without

4170
02:43:19,990 --> 02:43:16,080
uh be uh judged or be

4171
02:43:23,910 --> 02:43:20,000
um radicalized or and so on

4172
02:43:31,510 --> 02:43:25,830
stefan alex

4173
02:43:34,309 --> 02:43:31,520
a group

4174
02:43:36,630 --> 02:43:34,319
named inres in france

4175
02:43:39,110 --> 02:43:36,640
and he was uh

4176
02:43:41,190 --> 02:43:39,120
i would say the

4177
02:43:44,469 --> 02:43:41,200
maybe the first

4178
02:43:45,590 --> 02:43:44,479
people the first man to create the group

4179
02:43:51,510 --> 02:43:45,600
uh

4180
02:43:53,190 --> 02:43:51,520
ufo um experiment

4181
02:43:55,269 --> 02:43:53,200
for the people

4182
02:43:58,550 --> 02:43:55,279
paranormal activity

4183
02:43:59,910 --> 02:43:58,560
uh for people and so on and he created

4184
02:44:03,030 --> 02:43:59,920
groups

4185
02:44:05,590 --> 02:44:03,040
where you could talk explain

4186
02:44:08,230 --> 02:44:05,600
together what happened exactly

4187
02:44:10,550 --> 02:44:08,240
so i asked to stefan

4188
02:44:15,110 --> 02:44:12,630
if he

4189
02:44:18,870 --> 02:44:15,120
thought or he will think

4190
02:44:21,110 --> 02:44:18,880
to create to create um

4191
02:44:22,710 --> 02:44:21,120
more extension

4192
02:44:27,269 --> 02:44:22,720
about

4193
02:44:29,349 --> 02:44:27,279
he said no no

4194
02:44:30,830 --> 02:44:29,359
he couldn't because he was

4195
02:44:32,870 --> 02:44:30,840
he focused on

4196
02:44:35,429 --> 02:44:32,880
on on

4197
02:44:38,389 --> 02:44:35,439
how to to understand what

4198
02:44:40,469 --> 02:44:38,399
uh what was what were

4199
02:44:44,710 --> 02:44:40,479
the phenomenon

4200
02:44:48,950 --> 02:44:44,720
and uh with the psychologist

4201
02:44:53,110 --> 02:44:48,960
with him so it was a well a good a good

4202
02:44:54,150 --> 02:44:53,120
thing but i i said no i have to create a

4203
02:44:55,349 --> 02:44:54,160
group

4204
02:44:58,469 --> 02:44:55,359
um

4205
02:45:00,870 --> 02:44:58,479
especially on abduction because i didn't

4206
02:45:04,389 --> 02:45:00,880
find any any places

4207
02:45:08,950 --> 02:45:04,399
uh to talk about that uh

4208
02:45:16,630 --> 02:45:13,269
uh in a way i heard i heard many several

4209
02:45:20,550 --> 02:45:16,640
times by telepathy

4210
02:45:23,030 --> 02:45:20,560
to um it's very strange but i heard that

4211
02:45:24,309 --> 02:45:23,040
in in my my mind in my

4212
02:45:25,269 --> 02:45:24,319
my brain

4213
02:45:28,469 --> 02:45:25,279
um

4214
02:45:31,750 --> 02:45:28,479
create a group and uh

4215
02:45:33,990 --> 02:45:31,760
and uh because we gathered you

4216
02:45:36,630 --> 02:45:34,000
we are going to gather you

4217
02:45:37,910 --> 02:45:36,640
about abductees you know in france so i

4218
02:45:39,830 --> 02:45:37,920
was uh

4219
02:45:43,110 --> 02:45:39,840
surprised and

4220
02:45:45,269 --> 02:45:43,120
i was you know i i was uh

4221
02:45:48,870 --> 02:45:45,279
engineer on computer i worked on

4222
02:45:51,510 --> 02:45:48,880
computer because i'm retired now but i'm

4223
02:45:52,550 --> 02:45:51,520
still working on many things

4224
02:45:55,349 --> 02:45:52,560
but

4225
02:45:57,750 --> 02:45:55,359
i i'm i like to um

4226
02:45:58,870 --> 02:45:57,760
to uh

4227
02:46:01,910 --> 02:45:58,880
um

4228
02:46:04,950 --> 02:46:01,920
to check to check to be sure that it's

4229
02:46:06,230 --> 02:46:04,960
not a fake or something like that you do

4230
02:46:07,910 --> 02:46:06,240
always

4231
02:46:11,830 --> 02:46:07,920
trying to understand what happens

4232
02:46:14,950 --> 02:46:11,840
exactly not to believe and so on i i

4233
02:46:18,070 --> 02:46:14,960
asked i searched uh i tried to

4234
02:46:21,670 --> 02:46:18,080
understand what happened exactly so i

4235
02:46:23,590 --> 02:46:21,680
created um i heard i heard in my in my

4236
02:46:25,590 --> 02:46:23,600
mind

4237
02:46:28,950 --> 02:46:25,600
created the group

4238
02:46:31,670 --> 02:46:28,960
and

4239
02:46:35,750 --> 02:46:31,680
so i find i found the

4240
02:46:38,950 --> 02:46:35,760
the psychologist because i asked to

4241
02:46:40,630 --> 02:46:38,960
two or three others before created the

4242
02:46:42,070 --> 02:46:40,640
to create my

4243
02:46:44,630 --> 02:46:42,080
association

4244
02:46:46,230 --> 02:46:44,640
and they said no no sorry it's a good

4245
02:46:47,030 --> 02:46:46,240
idea it's very

4246
02:46:51,190 --> 02:46:47,040
uh

4247
02:46:53,590 --> 02:46:51,200
but i can't because if i go with you

4248
02:46:55,110 --> 02:46:53,600
my job is over

4249
02:46:57,510 --> 02:46:55,120
reputation so

4250
02:47:00,950 --> 02:46:57,520
reputation yes right

4251
02:47:02,710 --> 02:47:00,960
so we with the staff analysts

4252
02:47:05,590 --> 02:47:02,720
stefan

4253
02:47:08,870 --> 02:47:05,600
gave me some names you know in the group

4254
02:47:09,990 --> 02:47:08,880
in his group in association

4255
02:47:11,990 --> 02:47:10,000
and uh

4256
02:47:14,469 --> 02:47:12,000
one of them

4257
02:47:17,030 --> 02:47:14,479
nicola nicola dumont

4258
02:47:19,030 --> 02:47:17,040
said yes i'm very interested interested

4259
02:47:22,710 --> 02:47:19,040
in in the phenomena

4260
02:47:23,750 --> 02:47:22,720
and okay it's okay for me i come with

4261
02:47:28,790 --> 02:47:23,760
you

4262
02:47:30,230 --> 02:47:28,800
and so i i created the in 2014

4263
02:47:32,230 --> 02:47:30,240
14

4264
02:47:36,389 --> 02:47:32,240
the association with him

4265
02:47:39,510 --> 02:47:36,399
so i was very uh very happy and

4266
02:47:40,389 --> 02:47:39,520
i said okay i think it's uh it's right

4267
02:47:43,190 --> 02:47:40,399
uh

4268
02:47:46,830 --> 02:47:43,200
it's okay for me and for the for the

4269
02:47:49,830 --> 02:47:46,840
group because i i got the psychologist i

4270
02:47:51,030 --> 02:47:49,840
wanted very much to have psychologists

4271
02:47:52,230 --> 02:47:51,040
with us

4272
02:47:54,469 --> 02:47:52,240
because uh

4273
02:47:55,830 --> 02:47:54,479
you have some group in france i know

4274
02:47:58,630 --> 02:47:55,840
some

4275
02:48:00,630 --> 02:47:58,640
not very well but i have been told that

4276
02:48:01,750 --> 02:48:00,640
some group

4277
02:48:04,389 --> 02:48:01,760
in france

4278
02:48:05,429 --> 02:48:04,399
of abductees

4279
02:48:08,230 --> 02:48:05,439
uh

4280
02:48:09,349 --> 02:48:08,240
i've been though they were in a group

4281
02:48:11,750 --> 02:48:09,359
but

4282
02:48:12,950 --> 02:48:11,760
i don't know exactly exactly how they

4283
02:48:14,389 --> 02:48:12,960
work

4284
02:48:17,830 --> 02:48:14,399
you know

4285
02:48:21,910 --> 02:48:17,840
but i will i wanted to be uh to have a

4286
02:48:23,830 --> 02:48:21,920
psychologist and psychologist with us

4287
02:48:25,590 --> 02:48:23,840
to um

4288
02:48:27,910 --> 02:48:25,600
to be sure that

4289
02:48:29,670 --> 02:48:27,920
we don't we will not have

4290
02:48:32,630 --> 02:48:29,680
um

4291
02:48:33,510 --> 02:48:32,640
mr man how do you say that people

4292
02:48:36,550 --> 02:48:33,520
lying

4293
02:48:38,150 --> 02:48:36,560
chronic liars liars yes chronic liars

4294
02:48:40,389 --> 02:48:38,160
and and

4295
02:48:41,349 --> 02:48:40,399
some

4296
02:48:43,429 --> 02:48:41,359
people

4297
02:48:45,349 --> 02:48:43,439
ill or sick you know

4298
02:48:47,030 --> 02:48:45,359
mental sick

4299
02:48:48,710 --> 02:48:47,040
because it happened

4300
02:48:50,550 --> 02:48:48,720
and

4301
02:48:51,990 --> 02:48:50,560
yeah so

4302
02:48:53,590 --> 02:48:52,000
this is

4303
02:48:56,950 --> 02:48:53,600
like that that accredited the

4304
02:49:01,670 --> 02:48:56,960
association and then i found out

4305
02:49:04,710 --> 02:49:01,680
and i i got other psychologies coming

4306
02:49:08,309 --> 02:49:04,720
because with nicola we we have

4307
02:49:09,110 --> 02:49:08,319
we've done a very very strong work

4308
02:49:11,190 --> 02:49:09,120
uh

4309
02:49:12,790 --> 02:49:11,200
with abductees

4310
02:49:14,230 --> 02:49:12,800
because he's uh

4311
02:49:16,469 --> 02:49:14,240
someone

4312
02:49:20,309 --> 02:49:16,479
very

4313
02:49:21,910 --> 02:49:20,319
professional

4314
02:49:24,230 --> 02:49:21,920
and

4315
02:49:26,469 --> 02:49:24,240
helpful with us

4316
02:49:30,230 --> 02:49:26,479
and then so we got

4317
02:49:31,110 --> 02:49:30,240
other psychologists with us and um

4318
02:49:32,389 --> 02:49:31,120
and

4319
02:49:33,429 --> 02:49:32,399
now when

4320
02:49:35,990 --> 02:49:33,439
some

4321
02:49:38,389 --> 02:49:36,000
uh abductees not

4322
02:49:41,670 --> 02:49:38,399
not yet in the association they come and

4323
02:49:45,190 --> 02:49:41,680
they say i ask them how do

4324
02:49:48,710 --> 02:49:45,200
why you you come to sarah france and

4325
02:49:51,269 --> 02:49:48,720
what who told you to come and they said

4326
02:49:53,110 --> 02:49:51,279
to me it's very strange but they say to

4327
02:49:56,309 --> 02:49:53,120
me

4328
02:49:57,349 --> 02:49:56,319
it's it's alien they say go there

4329
02:49:59,670 --> 02:49:57,359
go there

4330
02:50:02,070 --> 02:49:59,680
their work it's good they what they how

4331
02:50:03,110 --> 02:50:02,080
they work and what they do

4332
02:50:06,070 --> 02:50:03,120
so um

4333
02:50:07,670 --> 02:50:06,080
every time i'm very surprised because uh

4334
02:50:09,990 --> 02:50:07,680
because

4335
02:50:12,790 --> 02:50:10,000
the the these people coming it's it's a

4336
02:50:13,990 --> 02:50:12,800
new people a new uh abductee that i

4337
02:50:17,510 --> 02:50:14,000
don't know

4338
02:50:18,870 --> 02:50:17,520
and they say to me uh i've been told by

4339
02:50:20,230 --> 02:50:18,880
the alien

4340
02:50:22,710 --> 02:50:20,240
go there

4341
02:50:23,429 --> 02:50:22,720
so you know it's uh it's very strange

4342
02:50:27,670 --> 02:50:23,439
but

4343
02:50:32,630 --> 02:50:30,230
miriam like again thank you thank you so

4344
02:50:35,190 --> 02:50:32,640
much for your courage and and donating

4345
02:50:39,269 --> 02:50:35,200
your time to the show today uh

4346
02:50:40,230 --> 02:50:39,279
and baptiste frank um guillermo

4347
02:50:47,190 --> 02:50:40,240
that that's fine

4348
02:50:51,830 --> 02:50:50,309
i can give you french

4349
02:50:53,190 --> 02:50:51,840
all right so let's try this again

4350
02:50:55,030 --> 02:50:53,200
guillaume i'm going to go first that's

4351
02:50:58,150 --> 02:50:55,040
perfect

4352
02:50:59,429 --> 02:50:58,160
uh marion if they can add two things if

4353
02:51:01,510 --> 02:50:59,439
we have time

4354
02:51:04,230 --> 02:51:01,520
no yes

4355
02:51:05,190 --> 02:51:04,240
gentlemen i have to say goodbye um in

4356
02:51:07,110 --> 02:51:05,200
case you didn't see the little guy

4357
02:51:08,870 --> 02:51:07,120
running around my sitter had to go early

4358
02:51:10,469 --> 02:51:08,880
oh put him on

4359
02:51:11,510 --> 02:51:10,479
oh my gosh he would be like talking

4360
02:51:14,880 --> 02:51:11,520
about

4361
02:51:20,630 --> 02:51:18,309
[Laughter]

4362
02:51:22,389 --> 02:51:20,640
i don't even know he did have a whole

4363
02:51:24,070 --> 02:51:22,399
alien story for his speech therapist

4364
02:51:26,309 --> 02:51:24,080
that they thought that was weird that he

4365
02:51:27,830 --> 02:51:26,319
was talking about ufos but yeah

4366
02:51:29,830 --> 02:51:27,840
thank you so much for having me on it's

4367
02:51:31,590 --> 02:51:29,840
great meeting everybody especially

4368
02:51:33,349 --> 02:51:31,600
especially like uh from france i've

4369
02:51:35,349 --> 02:51:33,359
never i was i've always wondered how

4370
02:51:37,429 --> 02:51:35,359
things were there and i'd seen many of

4371
02:51:39,030 --> 02:51:37,439
you on panels and interviews before but

4372
02:51:40,070 --> 02:51:39,040
it's so nice to interface with you face

4373
02:51:41,990 --> 02:51:40,080
to face

4374
02:51:43,670 --> 02:51:42,000
and have a great day everybody i'll see

4375
02:51:48,469 --> 02:51:43,680
you soon bye

4376
02:51:53,349 --> 02:51:49,670
so uh

4377
02:51:56,469 --> 02:51:53,359
just a point that we only think of

4378
02:51:58,950 --> 02:51:56,479
v military or v army but it's all

4379
02:52:01,269 --> 02:51:58,960
military personnel and a lot of them are

4380
02:52:03,990 --> 02:52:01,279
experiences and a lot of them are

4381
02:52:04,950 --> 02:52:04,000
forbidden by law to talk about it

4382
02:52:07,750 --> 02:52:04,960
so

4383
02:52:10,550 --> 02:52:07,760
please when when you talk about the

4384
02:52:13,110 --> 02:52:10,560
military be precise that you talk about

4385
02:52:14,630 --> 02:52:13,120
the hierarchical military of the

4386
02:52:15,990 --> 02:52:14,640
structure of the military because the

4387
02:52:19,110 --> 02:52:16,000
military spec

4388
02:52:20,150 --> 02:52:19,120
the military personnel suffers also that

4389
02:52:21,830 --> 02:52:20,160
stigma

4390
02:52:23,640 --> 02:52:21,840
and the second part

4391
02:52:25,030 --> 02:52:23,650
was that if you

4392
02:52:27,429 --> 02:52:25,040
[Music]

4393
02:52:28,550 --> 02:52:27,439
search the advance because it was a

4394
02:52:30,070 --> 02:52:28,560
question for

4395
02:52:32,630 --> 02:52:30,080
for vinnie before

4396
02:52:35,670 --> 02:52:32,640
he asked what was the advancement of the

4397
02:52:37,510 --> 02:52:35,680
science of ufos in france if you are of

4398
02:52:40,950 --> 02:52:37,520
a screen share

4399
02:52:44,230 --> 02:52:40,960
it is a free report a free preview of a

4400
02:52:46,389 --> 02:52:44,240
report made by free af signature you can

4401
02:52:49,030 --> 02:52:46,399
download it for free on their website

4402
02:52:51,990 --> 02:52:49,040
and you have all the scientific analysis

4403
02:52:53,110 --> 02:52:52,000
they done on very recent cases

4404
02:52:54,070 --> 02:52:53,120
and

4405
02:52:55,030 --> 02:52:54,080
it will

4406
02:52:58,150 --> 02:52:55,040
give you

4407
02:53:00,950 --> 02:52:58,160
uh a preview of what we can do uh on the

4408
02:53:02,389 --> 02:53:00,960
science side and it will induce a

4409
02:53:04,790 --> 02:53:02,399
cooperation and international

4410
02:53:06,950 --> 02:53:04,800
international cooperation that will be

4411
02:53:09,269 --> 02:53:06,960
launched between several scientific

4412
02:53:10,630 --> 02:53:09,279
groups around the globe

4413
02:53:11,990 --> 02:53:10,640
awesome

4414
02:53:13,429 --> 02:53:12,000
super cool

4415
02:53:14,630 --> 02:53:13,439
thank you so much for showing that and

4416
02:53:17,429 --> 02:53:14,640
sharing that

4417
02:53:19,269 --> 02:53:17,439
i i have seen sigma that the artic paper

4418
02:53:21,429 --> 02:53:19,279
before it's absolutely that should be

4419
02:53:23,510 --> 02:53:21,439
the standard globally for the way that

4420
02:53:25,990 --> 02:53:23,520
the science is done on those reports

4421
02:53:27,750 --> 02:53:26,000
absolutely fantastic work so

4422
02:53:29,990 --> 02:53:27,760
yeah love it

4423
02:53:31,830 --> 02:53:30,000
i baptised i hope to make more uh have

4424
02:53:33,990 --> 02:53:31,840
more interviews too that you asked me to

4425
02:53:35,590 --> 02:53:34,000
translate because that's always uh quite

4426
02:53:36,790 --> 02:53:35,600
the honor when you ask me if you can do

4427
02:53:37,830 --> 02:53:36,800
that

4428
02:53:38,790 --> 02:53:37,840
i'm

4429
02:53:40,710 --> 02:53:38,800
what

4430
02:53:43,110 --> 02:53:40,720
me yeah of course

4431
02:53:46,150 --> 02:53:43,120
you guys are so insane do you have the

4432
02:53:49,190 --> 02:53:46,160
idea the amount of content i have yet to

4433
02:53:53,670 --> 02:53:49,200
translate with the amount of content you

4434
02:53:54,700 --> 02:53:53,680
still produce i am 120 hours of content

4435
02:53:56,550 --> 02:53:54,710
behind

4436
02:53:58,550 --> 02:53:56,560
[Laughter]

4437
02:54:01,830 --> 02:53:58,560
well i'm not gonna apologize for working

4438
02:54:06,469 --> 02:54:03,670
that's why he deserves a big chair like

4439
02:54:08,950 --> 02:54:06,479
that to like take a breather yeah

4440
02:54:11,590 --> 02:54:08,960
that's so cool i love it

4441
02:54:13,750 --> 02:54:11,600
i will bid you adieu i appreciate you

4442
02:54:15,110 --> 02:54:13,760
very much we'll get to know you uh even

4443
02:54:17,590 --> 02:54:15,120
more hopefully you'll come back to my

4444
02:54:20,550 --> 02:54:17,600
show and we'll do some more stuff so

4445
02:54:23,830 --> 02:54:20,560
all of you so uh with that

4446
02:54:26,389 --> 02:54:23,840
it's been a pleasure thank you

4447
02:54:27,990 --> 02:54:26,399
thank you thank you all so much

4448
02:54:31,429 --> 02:54:28,000
thanks beautiful to get to know you

4449
02:54:36,630 --> 02:54:34,870
wow um man i guess he's staying you're

4450
02:54:38,710 --> 02:54:36,640
staying no no no no no no i'm not i'm

4451
02:54:41,269 --> 02:54:38,720
trying to find the button

4452
02:54:43,510 --> 02:54:41,279
oh wait wait wait wait wait no all right

4453
02:54:46,070 --> 02:54:43,520
what did you have to say say it go ahead

4454
02:54:47,349 --> 02:54:46,080
no we're just we're just gonna keep

4455
02:54:50,150 --> 02:54:47,359
we're just gonna keep guillaume all

4456
02:54:52,150 --> 02:54:50,160
night it's okay i don't know no i i i

4457
02:54:53,830 --> 02:54:52,160
just want to congratulate you uh for

4458
02:54:55,269 --> 02:54:53,840
this event that that's just that's just

4459
02:54:57,830 --> 02:54:55,279
great you know uh

4460
02:54:59,510 --> 02:54:57,840
more exposure is uh more opportunities

4461
02:55:01,590 --> 02:54:59,520
to have the conversation and ultimately

4462
02:55:03,830 --> 02:55:01,600
that's what i've been working for you

4463
02:55:06,550 --> 02:55:03,840
know to be able to have the conversation

4464
02:55:08,870 --> 02:55:06,560
uh selfishly myself i want to be able to

4465
02:55:11,349 --> 02:55:08,880
talk about it with my friends uh right

4466
02:55:13,910 --> 02:55:11,359
now it's just not possible so hey we're

4467
02:55:16,309 --> 02:55:13,920
friends so oh yeah

4468
02:55:17,910 --> 02:55:16,319
thanks sean thank you bye everyone thank

4469
02:55:22,550 --> 02:55:17,920
you

4470
02:55:24,469 --> 02:55:22,560
man that was incredible that was awesome

4471
02:55:26,070 --> 02:55:24,479
that's great yeah i just want to say

4472
02:55:28,309 --> 02:55:26,080
really quick i know i didn't get get

4473
02:55:29,590 --> 02:55:28,319
really involved in this last one but i'm

4474
02:55:31,269 --> 02:55:29,600
just i was sitting here the whole time

4475
02:55:32,150 --> 02:55:31,279
just enamored by the whole conversation

4476
02:55:34,150 --> 02:55:32,160
because

4477
02:55:35,830 --> 02:55:34,160
it's it's so

4478
02:55:37,670 --> 02:55:35,840
it resonates so much

4479
02:55:39,190 --> 02:55:37,680
and i'm i guess i'm someone who's still

4480
02:55:41,110 --> 02:55:39,200
trying to figure out

4481
02:55:42,389 --> 02:55:41,120
my own experiences with this phenomena

4482
02:55:44,309 --> 02:55:42,399
so

4483
02:55:45,349 --> 02:55:44,319
it's just it's cool this is this is

4484
02:55:46,950 --> 02:55:45,359
awesome

4485
02:55:49,910 --> 02:55:46,960
yeah just giving you more work to do

4486
02:55:51,429 --> 02:55:49,920
benji yeah absolutely

4487
02:55:52,630 --> 02:55:51,439
more questions man that's just how it

4488
02:55:53,750 --> 02:55:52,640
goes you know

4489
02:55:57,990 --> 02:55:53,760
oh yeah

4490
02:56:03,269 --> 02:56:01,510
where was that okay we're gonna

4491
02:56:05,110 --> 02:56:03,279
uh it might have been me did you hear

4492
02:56:05,990 --> 02:56:05,120
like a motorcycle i think it was over

4493
02:56:08,630 --> 02:56:06,000
here

4494
02:56:11,140 --> 02:56:08,640
okay yeah that was you oh yeah jersey

4495
02:56:12,870 --> 02:56:11,150
makes me jealous

4496
02:56:14,870 --> 02:56:12,880
[Music]

4497
02:56:16,389 --> 02:56:14,880
okay so we're going to have mr bassett

4498
02:56:17,510 --> 02:56:16,399
on soon

4499
02:56:18,870 --> 02:56:17,520
um

4500
02:56:20,150 --> 02:56:18,880
and

4501
02:56:21,910 --> 02:56:20,160
um

4502
02:56:23,030 --> 02:56:21,920
kristen thompson's

4503
02:56:30,710 --> 02:56:23,040
all right

4504
02:56:36,630 --> 02:56:32,950
that is gonna be awesome

4505
02:56:38,150 --> 02:56:36,640
um i need to take a break i have to go

4506
02:56:41,590 --> 02:56:38,160
to the bathroom

4507
02:56:43,590 --> 02:56:41,600
and let my dogs out

4508
02:56:45,830 --> 02:56:43,600
all right so so to speak

4509
02:56:47,670 --> 02:56:45,840
so it sounds like a metaphor yeah yeah

4510
02:56:49,670 --> 02:56:47,680
can you guys handle it for like 10

4511
02:56:51,750 --> 02:56:49,680
minutes or so

4512
02:56:53,510 --> 02:56:51,760
i'm sure we can manage

4513
02:56:56,150 --> 02:56:53,520
i think we could probably do that yeah

4514
02:56:58,469 --> 02:56:56,160
for sure just don't you know do anything

4515
02:57:01,030 --> 02:56:58,479
that makes people hate this stream or

4516
02:57:02,230 --> 02:57:01,040
report us to the cops or anything oh

4517
02:57:05,750 --> 02:57:02,240
we'll just make sure that you have to

4518
02:57:08,870 --> 02:57:05,760
run back as soon as humanly possible

4519
02:57:10,550 --> 02:57:08,880
still got these babies in

4520
02:57:12,230 --> 02:57:10,560
i know you do

4521
02:57:13,910 --> 02:57:12,240
all right i'll be right back you better

4522
02:57:16,230 --> 02:57:13,920
stay in bluetooth range

4523
02:57:17,349 --> 02:57:16,240
for sure

4524
02:57:19,030 --> 02:57:17,359
let's have a look

4525
02:57:20,389 --> 02:57:19,040
right now let's have a listen how's

4526
02:57:21,830 --> 02:57:20,399
everyone doing in the live chat tonight

4527
02:57:23,030 --> 02:57:21,840
i've seen a lot of good conversation

4528
02:57:24,710 --> 02:57:23,040
going on so

4529
02:57:26,710 --> 02:57:24,720
does anyone have any thoughts on what

4530
02:57:28,870 --> 02:57:26,720
you've seen already i think it's been

4531
02:57:30,389 --> 02:57:28,880
awesome we've we've covered so much in

4532
02:57:33,030 --> 02:57:30,399
the first three hours and we've still

4533
02:57:35,590 --> 02:57:33,040
got five to go it's incredible

4534
02:57:37,030 --> 02:57:35,600
it's amazing to be honest i don't even i

4535
02:57:38,630 --> 02:57:37,040
just kind of looked at the clock right

4536
02:57:39,990 --> 02:57:38,640
now and realized it's three hours in

4537
02:57:42,230 --> 02:57:40,000
it's wild

4538
02:57:44,790 --> 02:57:42,240
it's it's beautiful and and thank you

4539
02:57:46,389 --> 02:57:44,800
and thanks to both of you for i know

4540
02:57:47,990 --> 02:57:46,399
vinnie you're planning on being here the

4541
02:57:52,230 --> 02:57:48,000
whole time i don't know about you benji

4542
02:57:54,710 --> 02:57:52,240
but i i really appreciate uh you you

4543
02:57:57,030 --> 02:57:54,720
putting in the early innings because i i

4544
02:58:00,469 --> 02:57:57,040
felt like i could kind of hang back and

4545
02:58:01,750 --> 02:58:00,479
i i i did the laundry i went to the gym

4546
02:58:03,190 --> 02:58:01,760
i was listening to you guys the whole

4547
02:58:05,190 --> 02:58:03,200
time and i was like oh just take it a

4548
02:58:06,790 --> 02:58:05,200
little bit easy you know like i'll come

4549
02:58:07,750 --> 02:58:06,800
in for the late innings like a relief

4550
02:58:11,510 --> 02:58:07,760
pitcher

4551
02:58:13,510 --> 02:58:11,520
um but we still have so much more to go

4552
02:58:16,230 --> 02:58:13,520
there's so many more wonderful guests

4553
02:58:17,670 --> 02:58:16,240
today i mean absolutely it's going to be

4554
02:58:20,630 --> 02:58:17,680
incredible and

4555
02:58:24,630 --> 02:58:23,269
again like just having just being able

4556
02:58:26,710 --> 02:58:24,640
to broaden the conversation

4557
02:58:28,950 --> 02:58:26,720
internationally like this and and

4558
02:58:31,190 --> 02:58:28,960
finding more colleagues

4559
02:58:34,309 --> 02:58:31,200
to be able to have these conversations

4560
02:58:36,070 --> 02:58:34,319
and being able to help remove stigma in

4561
02:58:38,550 --> 02:58:36,080
these different cultures

4562
02:58:40,469 --> 02:58:38,560
publicly being able to talk more and

4563
02:58:43,429 --> 02:58:40,479
being able to compare notes and things

4564
02:58:44,469 --> 02:58:43,439
like that it's so critically important

4565
02:58:47,190 --> 02:58:44,479
and so

4566
02:58:50,150 --> 02:58:47,200
and it feels you know i'm not a huge

4567
02:58:52,309 --> 02:58:50,160
astrological guy you know but like it it

4568
02:58:53,990 --> 02:58:52,319
feels good to be doing it on a day like

4569
02:58:56,070 --> 02:58:54,000
today you know on the four year

4570
02:58:57,030 --> 02:58:56,080
anniversary of leslie and ralph's

4571
02:59:00,389 --> 02:58:57,040
article

4572
02:59:02,630 --> 02:59:00,399
that this week with with the con with um

4573
02:59:04,870 --> 02:59:02,640
the new ufo office it's absolutely

4574
02:59:07,110 --> 02:59:04,880
wonderful and thanks to everybody in the

4575
02:59:09,910 --> 02:59:07,120
chat i i've been looking at the chat and

4576
02:59:10,870 --> 02:59:09,920
it's it's been such a positive

4577
02:59:12,710 --> 02:59:10,880
space

4578
02:59:15,910 --> 02:59:12,720
and you know that you're working

4579
02:59:18,309 --> 02:59:15,920
miracles when a youtube live chat

4580
02:59:20,469 --> 02:59:18,319
is filled with positivity that's like a

4581
02:59:22,389 --> 02:59:20,479
minor mirror it's how we roll

4582
02:59:24,630 --> 02:59:22,399
that's right right

4583
02:59:26,550 --> 02:59:24,640
absolutely i think it just shows that we

4584
02:59:28,070 --> 02:59:26,560
can come together you know we can take a

4585
02:59:30,469 --> 02:59:28,080
day off from the infighting from the

4586
02:59:32,790 --> 02:59:30,479
little petty differences which is fine

4587
02:59:33,670 --> 02:59:32,800
because it's all you know most of the

4588
02:59:35,190 --> 02:59:33,680
time

4589
02:59:37,269 --> 02:59:35,200
it is good to have differences of

4590
02:59:39,110 --> 02:59:37,279
opinions we can feed off of each other

4591
02:59:41,190 --> 02:59:39,120
learn off of each other sometimes it

4592
02:59:42,790 --> 02:59:41,200
goes a little bit past the kind of line

4593
02:59:43,910 --> 02:59:42,800
that we like but you know it looks like

4594
02:59:46,070 --> 02:59:43,920
today

4595
02:59:48,469 --> 02:59:46,080
you know on this important day as you

4596
02:59:50,309 --> 02:59:48,479
say jay this fourth anniversary of the

4597
02:59:51,670 --> 02:59:50,319
the kind of breaking new york times

4598
02:59:54,630 --> 02:59:51,680
article and the

4599
02:59:56,389 --> 02:59:54,640
re revelations of atip and lou elizondo

4600
02:59:57,830 --> 02:59:56,399
and everything it seems everyone really

4601
02:59:59,590 --> 02:59:57,840
is on the same page today and it's a

4602
03:00:01,670 --> 02:59:59,600
beautiful thing so

4603
03:00:03,510 --> 03:00:01,680
i'm just so happy to be here i'm gonna

4604
03:00:05,510 --> 03:00:03,520
battle through no matter what because

4605
03:00:07,269 --> 03:00:05,520
you guys are keeping me going the chat

4606
03:00:11,110 --> 03:00:07,279
are keeping me going

4607
03:00:12,389 --> 03:00:11,120
yeah so i'm just vibing right now

4608
03:00:15,429 --> 03:00:12,399
cheers

4609
03:00:20,230 --> 03:00:15,439
oh it's beautiful oh yeah

4610
03:00:25,190 --> 03:00:23,190
it's 10 30 p.m here so i'm allowed and

4611
03:00:27,269 --> 03:00:25,200
i'm told or it's kind of

4612
03:00:30,389 --> 03:00:27,279
become known that the unofficial drink

4613
03:00:32,870 --> 03:00:30,399
or the official drink of nuap secrecy is

4614
03:00:34,150 --> 03:00:32,880
red wine so of course i'm happy it's a

4615
03:00:35,750 --> 03:00:34,160
good title

4616
03:00:37,590 --> 03:00:35,760
oh my gosh

4617
03:00:40,710 --> 03:00:37,600
i got a question called my partner

4618
03:00:42,710 --> 03:00:40,720
yeah sure um you know a lot of people

4619
03:00:45,429 --> 03:00:42,720
again i'm kind of new like to the

4620
03:00:46,630 --> 03:00:45,439
conversation having within this stuff

4621
03:00:50,230 --> 03:00:46,640
you know so

4622
03:00:52,070 --> 03:00:50,240
i wasn't really up to speed on the 2017

4623
03:00:53,910 --> 03:00:52,080
new york times when it actually came out

4624
03:00:57,110 --> 03:00:53,920
but uh to my understanding it was kind

4625
03:01:00,790 --> 03:00:58,950
it's like a like kind of like a 911 or

4626
03:01:02,230 --> 03:01:00,800
like a like an assassination of somebody

4627
03:01:04,230 --> 03:01:02,240
important like you know where you were

4628
03:01:05,429 --> 03:01:04,240
when it happened do you guys feel that

4629
03:01:07,510 --> 03:01:05,439
way about it do you remember kind of

4630
03:01:09,910 --> 03:01:07,520
where you were when

4631
03:01:11,510 --> 03:01:09,920
this i guess the start of disclosure

4632
03:01:14,150 --> 03:01:11,520
kind of took place

4633
03:01:16,550 --> 03:01:14,160
100 fenney you want to go first

4634
03:01:18,790 --> 03:01:16,560
yeah why not so as i mentioned earlier

4635
03:01:21,269 --> 03:01:18,800
on if anyone was listening my daughter

4636
03:01:24,550 --> 03:01:21,279
was born only about a week and a half

4637
03:01:26,950 --> 03:01:24,560
before the 17th and so

4638
03:01:28,870 --> 03:01:26,960
you know newborn baby co-sleeping in one

4639
03:01:31,110 --> 03:01:28,880
of those little add-on beds that joins

4640
03:01:32,870 --> 03:01:31,120
onto the parents bed so i was up a lot

4641
03:01:35,510 --> 03:01:32,880
of nights and stuff so

4642
03:01:37,110 --> 03:01:35,520
she'd woken up for a feed one one night

4643
03:01:39,830 --> 03:01:37,120
and so i'm like okay i'm awake i'm going

4644
03:01:41,190 --> 03:01:39,840
to check my phone and boom there it was

4645
03:01:42,550 --> 03:01:41,200
and i was like

4646
03:01:44,630 --> 03:01:42,560
oh my because i've even i've been

4647
03:01:47,190 --> 03:01:44,640
researching this for a decade so i was

4648
03:01:49,349 --> 03:01:47,200
always aware and looking out just every

4649
03:01:51,750 --> 03:01:49,359
day for anything and of course it's it's

4650
03:01:52,790 --> 03:01:51,760
mundane usually or it was for those

4651
03:01:55,030 --> 03:01:52,800
years

4652
03:01:57,750 --> 03:01:55,040
you weren't expecting any breaking news

4653
03:01:59,750 --> 03:01:57,760
and when i saw it i i

4654
03:02:01,349 --> 03:01:59,760
almost took like this huge intake and i

4655
03:02:04,389 --> 03:02:01,359
think i even remember my partner was

4656
03:02:06,469 --> 03:02:04,399
like what what well i've like

4657
03:02:09,349 --> 03:02:06,479
kind of explained it to her and she was

4658
03:02:14,070 --> 03:02:11,990
but to me i was just like oh my god it's

4659
03:02:16,469 --> 03:02:14,080
happening

4660
03:02:17,830 --> 03:02:16,479
so yeah it was just pure excitement and

4661
03:02:19,349 --> 03:02:17,840
and that's why i mean obviously i'm

4662
03:02:20,870 --> 03:02:19,359
going to look back on that month fondly

4663
03:02:21,910 --> 03:02:20,880
on that year fondly because of my

4664
03:02:24,070 --> 03:02:21,920
daughter but

4665
03:02:27,429 --> 03:02:24,080
it just seems strange that so much

4666
03:02:29,110 --> 03:02:27,439
happened in like these two weeks of 2017

4667
03:02:30,950 --> 03:02:29,120
and one thing i will say is that there

4668
03:02:33,269 --> 03:02:30,960
was a good inkling

4669
03:02:35,349 --> 03:02:33,279
in october of that month when

4670
03:02:37,030 --> 03:02:35,359
to the stars academy had that

4671
03:02:38,790 --> 03:02:37,040
kind of conference type thing on stage

4672
03:02:40,710 --> 03:02:38,800
with tom delong louis elizondo jim

4673
03:02:42,469 --> 03:02:40,720
semivan and everyone that really piqued

4674
03:02:44,790 --> 03:02:42,479
my interest massively as well but i

4675
03:02:46,550 --> 03:02:44,800
thought after that

4676
03:02:47,910 --> 03:02:46,560
it sounded good

4677
03:02:49,110 --> 03:02:47,920
were we going to get anything from it i

4678
03:02:50,309 --> 03:02:49,120
was dubious

4679
03:02:53,030 --> 03:02:50,319
because nothing had really happened

4680
03:02:55,190 --> 03:02:53,040
since kind of 2013 with the citizens

4681
03:02:57,349 --> 03:02:55,200
hearings on disclosure

4682
03:02:58,950 --> 03:02:57,359
um so i was a bit dubious but then of

4683
03:02:59,990 --> 03:02:58,960
course

4684
03:03:01,429 --> 03:03:00,000
yeah

4685
03:03:05,190 --> 03:03:01,439
maybe we have

4686
03:03:11,429 --> 03:03:08,070
always ready let's go always ready

4687
03:03:13,750 --> 03:03:11,439
up first batting it number i don't know

4688
03:03:16,710 --> 03:03:13,760
where we're at but

4689
03:03:18,469 --> 03:03:16,720
it is mr uapd how are you

4690
03:03:24,150 --> 03:03:18,479
christian

4691
03:03:26,469 --> 03:03:24,160
the man

4692
03:03:27,830 --> 03:03:26,479
the writer the author the super cool

4693
03:03:30,550 --> 03:03:27,840
dude

4694
03:03:31,910 --> 03:03:30,560
yeah that's you dave is it all right yep

4695
03:03:34,550 --> 03:03:31,920
that's you

4696
03:03:37,030 --> 03:03:34,560
and then after you we have

4697
03:03:39,750 --> 03:03:37,040
um the mover the shaker

4698
03:03:41,030 --> 03:03:39,760
the end truth embargo order slash

4699
03:03:43,590 --> 03:03:41,040
comedian

4700
03:03:48,070 --> 03:03:43,600
steve bassett how are you

4701
03:03:52,469 --> 03:03:50,150
good to see you steve christian dave as

4702
03:03:53,990 --> 03:03:52,479
always pleasure thank you for being here

4703
03:03:55,830 --> 03:03:54,000
gentlemen it's a pleasure to actually

4704
03:03:57,269 --> 03:03:55,840
see you guys face to face it's nice to

4705
03:03:58,150 --> 03:03:57,279
meet you all

4706
03:04:00,309 --> 03:03:58,160
yeah

4707
03:04:01,590 --> 03:04:00,319
um the pleasure's all mine benji i do

4708
03:04:04,309 --> 03:04:01,600
appreciate it

4709
03:04:08,469 --> 03:04:06,309
i wanted to first start out and say

4710
03:04:10,790 --> 03:04:08,479
thank you everyone for for joining this

4711
03:04:12,550 --> 03:04:10,800
event it means a lot to me i've had

4712
03:04:13,429 --> 03:04:12,560
interactions with you all in different

4713
03:04:16,870 --> 03:04:13,439
ways

4714
03:04:19,429 --> 03:04:16,880
um mr bassett has about a half hour i

4715
03:04:22,230 --> 03:04:19,439
told him and he's gonna have a really

4716
03:04:24,469 --> 03:04:22,240
hard time doing this i'm sure but i told

4717
03:04:26,150 --> 03:04:24,479
him well if you're only here for a half

4718
03:04:27,269 --> 03:04:26,160
hour you better make sure you talk the

4719
03:04:27,680 --> 03:04:27,279
whole time

4720
03:04:30,309 --> 03:04:27,690
so

4721
03:04:31,910 --> 03:04:30,319
[Laughter]

4722
03:04:36,230 --> 03:04:31,920
yeah

4723
03:04:37,750 --> 03:04:36,240
you know if you if you don't mind i

4724
03:04:41,750 --> 03:04:37,760
would love to

4725
03:04:43,750 --> 03:04:41,760
uh get started with you um and maybe you

4726
03:04:46,950 --> 03:04:43,760
can kind of tell us

4727
03:04:49,670 --> 03:04:46,960
uh your thoughts on the the the passing

4728
03:04:51,750 --> 03:04:49,680
of uh this amendment and where do we go

4729
03:04:53,190 --> 03:04:51,760
from here what do you see happening

4730
03:04:54,550 --> 03:04:53,200
well i'm going to talk about something

4731
03:04:56,230 --> 03:04:54,560
more important than the passing of that

4732
03:04:57,990 --> 03:04:56,240
amendment sure

4733
03:04:59,670 --> 03:04:58,000
um

4734
03:05:01,510 --> 03:04:59,680
there was never doubt that it would it

4735
03:05:03,830 --> 03:05:01,520
would pass

4736
03:05:06,790 --> 03:05:03,840
and we know the history leading up to it

4737
03:05:09,030 --> 03:05:06,800
going all the way back to 2017

4738
03:05:11,910 --> 03:05:09,040
and we know where this is going

4739
03:05:13,990 --> 03:05:11,920
uh this only ends up one place this ends

4740
03:05:15,590 --> 03:05:14,000
up as congressional hearings

4741
03:05:18,469 --> 03:05:15,600
and um

4742
03:05:19,990 --> 03:05:18,479
those hearings will be in front of key

4743
03:05:21,269 --> 03:05:20,000
committees starting with the intel

4744
03:05:22,710 --> 03:05:21,279
committee

4745
03:05:24,550 --> 03:05:22,720
so a lot has happened it's been slow

4746
03:05:26,230 --> 03:05:24,560
it's taken a lot longer than we had

4747
03:05:27,590 --> 03:05:26,240
hoped

4748
03:05:30,230 --> 03:05:27,600
but

4749
03:05:32,389 --> 03:05:30,240
something was issued on december the 9th

4750
03:05:34,230 --> 03:05:32,399
and i'm going to read from it

4751
03:05:36,389 --> 03:05:34,240
and this is

4752
03:05:38,070 --> 03:05:36,399
sums it all up beautifully this came out

4753
03:05:40,550 --> 03:05:38,080
december the 9th my birthday initially

4754
03:05:41,750 --> 03:05:40,560
enough best birthday present ever got

4755
03:05:43,349 --> 03:05:41,760
and what is it

4756
03:05:45,990 --> 03:05:43,359
it's a press release from the office of

4757
03:05:47,910 --> 03:05:46,000
marco rubio

4758
03:05:49,750 --> 03:05:47,920
on the regarding the passing of this

4759
03:05:51,429 --> 03:05:49,760
bill

4760
03:05:53,910 --> 03:05:51,439
you may recall that rubio was the one

4761
03:05:56,710 --> 03:05:53,920
that started the political response to

4762
03:05:58,389 --> 03:05:56,720
everything the ttsa had started up and

4763
03:05:59,910 --> 03:05:58,399
the articles and the press coverage and

4764
03:06:02,870 --> 03:05:59,920
the witnesses coming forward and all the

4765
03:06:04,469 --> 03:06:02,880
hullabaloo 17 18 19 20

4766
03:06:05,910 --> 03:06:04,479
plus of course the briefings on the hill

4767
03:06:07,429 --> 03:06:05,920
by mellon

4768
03:06:09,110 --> 03:06:07,439
of members of congress particularly

4769
03:06:10,950 --> 03:06:09,120
members of the intel committee and other

4770
03:06:12,070 --> 03:06:10,960
committees

4771
03:06:15,510 --> 03:06:12,080
so

4772
03:06:17,030 --> 03:06:15,520
ultimately we got language in that 2021

4773
03:06:19,349 --> 03:06:17,040
bill and then we got more language in

4774
03:06:21,190 --> 03:06:19,359
the 22 bill

4775
03:06:23,990 --> 03:06:21,200
more people got involved statements came

4776
03:06:27,110 --> 03:06:24,000
from various ci former cia directors

4777
03:06:29,750 --> 03:06:27,120
so on the ninth we get this

4778
03:06:31,429 --> 03:06:29,760
u.s senators marco rubio

4779
03:06:33,910 --> 03:06:31,439
republican florida and kirsten

4780
03:06:36,309 --> 03:06:33,920
gillibrand democrat new york

4781
03:06:38,309 --> 03:06:36,319
along with congressman ruben gallego

4782
03:06:40,950 --> 03:06:38,319
democrat arizona

4783
03:06:43,910 --> 03:06:40,960
applauded the inclusion of their undead

4784
03:06:46,790 --> 03:06:43,920
their unidentified aerial phenomena uap

4785
03:06:48,150 --> 03:06:46,800
amendment in the fiscal 2022 national

4786
03:06:52,150 --> 03:06:48,160
defense act

4787
03:06:54,630 --> 03:06:52,160
uh in the aaa now let's just parse that

4788
03:06:59,030 --> 03:06:57,590
former presidential candidate

4789
03:07:01,349 --> 03:06:59,040
and republican

4790
03:07:03,750 --> 03:07:01,359
and almost certainly future presidential

4791
03:07:05,910 --> 03:07:03,760
candidate marco rubio

4792
03:07:08,389 --> 03:07:05,920
and former presidential candidate

4793
03:07:10,630 --> 03:07:08,399
kirsten gillibrand and very likely

4794
03:07:12,870 --> 03:07:10,640
future presidential candidate

4795
03:07:14,389 --> 03:07:12,880
along with a very nice democratic

4796
03:07:17,510 --> 03:07:14,399
congressman

4797
03:07:19,910 --> 03:07:17,520
are applauding the inclusion of their

4798
03:07:21,510 --> 03:07:19,920
unidentified aerophenomena amendment in

4799
03:07:24,389 --> 03:07:21,520
the physical bill

4800
03:07:27,190 --> 03:07:24,399
you see how bipartisan this is

4801
03:07:29,429 --> 03:07:27,200
you see how normal that sounds

4802
03:07:30,550 --> 03:07:29,439
and do you understand the implications

4803
03:07:32,469 --> 03:07:30,560
when two

4804
03:07:34,150 --> 03:07:32,479
former candidates for president who

4805
03:07:36,550 --> 03:07:34,160
still plan to maybe

4806
03:07:38,950 --> 03:07:36,560
become president attach themselves to

4807
03:07:40,389 --> 03:07:38,960
this issue in this way is part of a

4808
03:07:42,230 --> 03:07:40,399
major bill

4809
03:07:44,150 --> 03:07:42,240
do you think that's just they just felt

4810
03:07:46,230 --> 03:07:44,160
like doing that

4811
03:07:48,550 --> 03:07:46,240
they're doing it because one they know

4812
03:07:50,230 --> 03:07:48,560
what's coming and two they actually

4813
03:07:52,230 --> 03:07:50,240
believe that attaching themselves to

4814
03:07:54,469 --> 03:07:52,240
this issue will improve their

4815
03:07:56,230 --> 03:07:54,479
presidential prospects

4816
03:07:57,590 --> 03:07:56,240
that definitely has not happened in the

4817
03:07:59,590 --> 03:07:57,600
past

4818
03:08:02,150 --> 03:07:59,600
going on uaps pose a significant

4819
03:08:04,230 --> 03:08:02,160
challenge to our national security

4820
03:08:07,750 --> 03:08:04,240
technically true

4821
03:08:09,510 --> 03:08:07,760
uh appearing in sensitive u.s airspace

4822
03:08:11,590 --> 03:08:09,520
read nuclear

4823
03:08:13,510 --> 03:08:11,600
weapons facilities and around military

4824
03:08:15,190 --> 03:08:13,520
personnel

4825
03:08:16,630 --> 03:08:15,200
the amendment would establish an office

4826
03:08:18,950 --> 03:08:16,640
that would replace the current

4827
03:08:20,710 --> 03:08:18,960
unidentified aerophenomena task force

4828
03:08:22,790 --> 03:08:20,720
why is that important

4829
03:08:25,349 --> 03:08:22,800
the uap task force was originally set up

4830
03:08:27,590 --> 03:08:25,359
by the dod off to the side

4831
03:08:29,670 --> 03:08:27,600
uh with the office of naval intelligence

4832
03:08:31,510 --> 03:08:29,680
the o and i parked i don't know where

4833
03:08:33,670 --> 03:08:31,520
the rumor was it was one office one

4834
03:08:35,910 --> 03:08:33,680
person in a water cooler it was

4835
03:08:38,150 --> 03:08:35,920
essentially a placeholder it was a

4836
03:08:40,309 --> 03:08:38,160
catcher's mitt set up to

4837
03:08:42,550 --> 03:08:40,319
to catch the pitch that was coming and

4838
03:08:47,750 --> 03:08:42,560
that pitch was of course the language

4839
03:08:52,309 --> 03:08:50,309
national defense authorization act

4840
03:08:53,830 --> 03:08:52,319
and so they're requesting that now it

4841
03:08:54,950 --> 03:08:53,840
will be set up in the department of

4842
03:08:57,030 --> 03:08:54,960
defense where of course it should have

4843
03:08:58,630 --> 03:08:57,040
been all along

4844
03:09:00,469 --> 03:08:58,640
by doing so the office will have the

4845
03:09:03,750 --> 03:09:00,479
authority to establish a coordinated

4846
03:09:05,190 --> 03:09:03,760
effort to report and respond to uaps

4847
03:09:06,950 --> 03:09:05,200
by the way

4848
03:09:10,070 --> 03:09:06,960
i'm working on this

4849
03:09:13,030 --> 03:09:10,080
but the s in uaps is redundant

4850
03:09:16,389 --> 03:09:13,040
it's just uap this is going to take some

4851
03:09:17,830 --> 03:09:16,399
time because ufos had an s on the end

4852
03:09:19,269 --> 03:09:17,840
and that's that

4853
03:09:20,550 --> 03:09:19,279
is going to be hard to get rid of but it

4854
03:09:22,630 --> 03:09:20,560
has to go

4855
03:09:26,630 --> 03:09:22,640
okay

4856
03:09:28,550 --> 03:09:26,640
aerial phenomena it is plural

4857
03:09:30,469 --> 03:09:28,560
and we don't need that s i hated that s

4858
03:09:32,790 --> 03:09:30,479
i didn't know whether to put a comma

4859
03:09:34,309 --> 03:09:32,800
there you know i mean a um what do they

4860
03:09:35,830 --> 03:09:34,319
call a single

4861
03:09:37,030 --> 03:09:35,840
posture

4862
03:09:38,950 --> 03:09:37,040
yeah whatever

4863
03:09:40,630 --> 03:09:38,960
so people say that they just think of

4864
03:09:42,229 --> 03:09:40,640
you every time now we're eliminated

4865
03:09:44,950 --> 03:09:42,239
significantly improved data sharing

4866
03:09:47,110 --> 03:09:44,960
between agencies on uap sightings

4867
03:09:49,990 --> 03:09:47,120
address national security concerns and

4868
03:09:50,950 --> 03:09:50,000
report health effects this was new

4869
03:09:52,710 --> 03:09:50,960
uh

4870
03:09:55,750 --> 03:09:52,720
people may have experienced in relation

4871
03:09:56,950 --> 03:09:55,760
to uap events i don't know travis walton

4872
03:10:01,670 --> 03:09:56,960
uh

4873
03:10:03,590 --> 03:10:01,680
her name i forgotten her she had some

4874
03:10:06,469 --> 03:10:03,600
health effects and others the office

4875
03:10:08,710 --> 03:10:06,479
will be administered jointly between the

4876
03:10:10,710 --> 03:10:08,720
secretary of defense and the director of

4877
03:10:13,269 --> 03:10:10,720
national intelligence that's kind of

4878
03:10:16,229 --> 03:10:13,279
high up uh that's pretty much high up in

4879
03:10:18,150 --> 03:10:16,239
a food chain just saying all right

4880
03:10:21,510 --> 03:10:18,160
and we'll empower the military and

4881
03:10:22,309 --> 03:10:21,520
civilian personnel we've just brought in

4882
03:10:25,990 --> 03:10:22,319
the

4883
03:10:28,790 --> 03:10:26,000
intelligence community to report

4884
03:10:29,910 --> 03:10:28,800
incidents and information involving uaps

4885
03:10:32,870 --> 03:10:29,920
and now

4886
03:10:35,750 --> 03:10:32,880
the second paragraph

4887
03:10:38,150 --> 03:10:35,760
rubio and gillibrand were joined by

4888
03:10:41,590 --> 03:10:38,160
senator lindsey graham

4889
03:10:43,190 --> 03:10:41,600
republican south carolina heard of him

4890
03:10:44,790 --> 03:10:43,200
martin

4891
03:10:47,750 --> 03:10:44,800
heinrich

4892
03:10:50,150 --> 03:10:47,760
democrat new mexico and roy blunt

4893
03:10:53,429 --> 03:10:50,160
republican missouri

4894
03:10:54,950 --> 03:10:53,439
now this is kind of new and why is it

4895
03:10:56,389 --> 03:10:54,960
significant

4896
03:10:59,750 --> 03:10:56,399
they're saying

4897
03:11:03,429 --> 03:10:59,760
that three other senators are

4898
03:11:05,830 --> 03:11:03,439
are sponsoring the bill

4899
03:11:07,590 --> 03:11:05,840
and and one of them is pretty well known

4900
03:11:09,750 --> 03:11:07,600
lindsey graham

4901
03:11:12,870 --> 03:11:09,760
one of them is from an interesting state

4902
03:11:15,429 --> 03:11:12,880
called new mexico i recall

4903
03:11:18,150 --> 03:11:15,439
had some interesting events happen back

4904
03:11:19,190 --> 03:11:18,160
in july 1947 i vaguely forget what

4905
03:11:20,469 --> 03:11:19,200
happened remember what happened it was

4906
03:11:23,190 --> 03:11:20,479
something all right

4907
03:11:24,469 --> 03:11:23,200
and roy blunt and i should add that roy

4908
03:11:26,309 --> 03:11:24,479
blunt

4909
03:11:28,950 --> 03:11:26,319
martin heinrich

4910
03:11:31,110 --> 03:11:28,960
kirsten gillibrand and marco rubio are

4911
03:11:32,389 --> 03:11:31,120
all on wait for it

4912
03:11:36,070 --> 03:11:32,399
the senate

4913
03:11:38,389 --> 03:11:36,080
select committee on intelligence

4914
03:11:40,550 --> 03:11:38,399
which i can assure you will be the first

4915
03:11:41,750 --> 03:11:40,560
committee to hold hearings for military

4916
03:11:44,070 --> 03:11:41,760
witnesses

4917
03:11:46,229 --> 03:11:44,080
uh when the time comes and it shouldn't

4918
03:11:47,590 --> 03:11:46,239
be much longer

4919
03:11:49,349 --> 03:11:47,600
and so

4920
03:11:51,510 --> 03:11:49,359
and then they go on with some quotes

4921
03:11:53,269 --> 03:11:51,520
from rubio and gillibrand and basically

4922
03:11:56,389 --> 03:11:53,279
just layer it on

4923
03:11:59,670 --> 03:11:56,399
and this is in his website

4924
03:12:02,150 --> 03:11:59,680
it remain on his website forever

4925
03:12:03,590 --> 03:12:02,160
it's kind of it's more personal than he

4926
03:12:04,950 --> 03:12:03,600
turns up in an article in the new york

4927
03:12:09,110 --> 03:12:04,960
times

4928
03:12:10,309 --> 03:12:09,120
he and gillibrand gallego blunt graham

4929
03:12:13,750 --> 03:12:10,319
and heinrich

4930
03:12:15,429 --> 03:12:13,760
have just put their political future

4931
03:12:17,830 --> 03:12:15,439
connected to

4932
03:12:19,190 --> 03:12:17,840
the unfolding of the truth embargo

4933
03:12:21,190 --> 03:12:19,200
itself

4934
03:12:22,710 --> 03:12:21,200
they plan on being the first committee

4935
03:12:26,150 --> 03:12:22,720
to take the witnesses

4936
03:12:27,670 --> 03:12:26,160
they and they view their attachment

4937
03:12:29,830 --> 03:12:27,680
to this issue

4938
03:12:31,510 --> 03:12:29,840
as a

4939
03:12:34,150 --> 03:12:31,520
plus

4940
03:12:37,110 --> 03:12:34,160
in terms of their political aspirations

4941
03:12:38,070 --> 03:12:37,120
including the white house

4942
03:12:41,990 --> 03:12:38,080
now

4943
03:12:45,030 --> 03:12:42,000
this is not 1969

4944
03:12:48,070 --> 03:12:45,040
or 77 when carter was stonewalled or 93

4945
03:12:49,750 --> 03:12:48,080
to 96 when clinton was stonewalled

4946
03:12:52,469 --> 03:12:49,760
this isn't

4947
03:12:54,070 --> 03:12:52,479
this is even past the uh the the clinton

4948
03:12:56,710 --> 03:12:54,080
campaign where she talked about it all

4949
03:13:00,309 --> 03:12:56,720
the time i take total credit for that

4950
03:13:03,030 --> 03:13:00,319
this is another place altogether

4951
03:13:07,510 --> 03:13:03,040
and so the next thing you can expect

4952
03:13:13,590 --> 03:13:09,750
and or gillibrand

4953
03:13:16,070 --> 03:13:13,600
and or rubio but warner is the the chair

4954
03:13:17,910 --> 03:13:16,080
most likely it will be all three of them

4955
03:13:19,590 --> 03:13:17,920
together

4956
03:13:21,190 --> 03:13:19,600
who will call

4957
03:13:23,190 --> 03:13:21,200
for the first congressional hearing

4958
03:13:25,750 --> 03:13:23,200
since 1968.

4959
03:13:27,429 --> 03:13:25,760
they will announce a time frame for it i

4960
03:13:29,750 --> 03:13:27,439
don't think this is going to happen

4961
03:13:31,269 --> 03:13:29,760
until march

4962
03:13:32,070 --> 03:13:31,279
because

4963
03:13:33,670 --> 03:13:32,080
the

4964
03:13:36,870 --> 03:13:33,680
virus from hell

4965
03:13:38,790 --> 03:13:36,880
has had its 14th mutation

4966
03:13:41,590 --> 03:13:38,800
and is going to slaughter a lot more

4967
03:13:43,830 --> 03:13:41,600
people whose political views of

4968
03:13:45,670 --> 03:13:43,840
how would you say conflicted with their

4969
03:13:47,830 --> 03:13:45,680
understanding of epidemiology but

4970
03:13:49,030 --> 03:13:47,840
whatever the point is is that things are

4971
03:13:50,389 --> 03:13:49,040
going to get rough for the next couple

4972
03:13:51,990 --> 03:13:50,399
months and so

4973
03:13:53,750 --> 03:13:52,000
it's just not going to be appropriate to

4974
03:13:56,389 --> 03:13:53,760
try to bring an issue like this of this

4975
03:13:59,190 --> 03:13:56,399
magnitude into the news into the wash in

4976
03:14:01,670 --> 03:13:59,200
washington dc hold hearings which need

4977
03:14:03,750 --> 03:14:01,680
to be in person it can't be zoom

4978
03:14:05,670 --> 03:14:03,760
and nothing against zoom or stream yard

4979
03:14:07,190 --> 03:14:05,680
trust me i i love it

4980
03:14:09,110 --> 03:14:07,200
i can't get enough of it but the point

4981
03:14:10,389 --> 03:14:09,120
is is it for hearings of this magnitude

4982
03:14:12,229 --> 03:14:10,399
we got to be in person

4983
03:14:15,190 --> 03:14:12,239
they got to be on camera they've got to

4984
03:14:17,030 --> 03:14:15,200
be in 4k being broadcast to the world so

4985
03:14:17,890 --> 03:14:17,040
that's what i've got for you guys any

4986
03:14:19,910 --> 03:14:17,900
questions

4987
03:14:21,510 --> 03:14:19,920
[Laughter]

4988
03:14:22,710 --> 03:14:21,520
i'm available

4989
03:14:30,550 --> 03:14:22,720
yes

4990
03:14:37,110 --> 03:14:34,070
yeah steve um question when these um

4991
03:14:39,110 --> 03:14:37,120
hearings go before the senate

4992
03:14:41,269 --> 03:14:39,120
congress when they call the witnesses do

4993
03:14:43,590 --> 03:14:41,279
you think they'll be strictly military

4994
03:14:45,750 --> 03:14:43,600
witnesses or will they bring in citizen

4995
03:14:47,190 --> 03:14:45,760
witnesses at some point military

4996
03:14:50,309 --> 03:14:47,200
witnesses only

4997
03:14:53,510 --> 03:14:50,319
the reason for the hearings

4998
03:14:54,309 --> 03:14:53,520
is to set the stage for disclosure

4999
03:14:56,229 --> 03:14:54,319
all right

5000
03:14:58,790 --> 03:14:56,239
to us to to

5001
03:15:01,670 --> 03:14:58,800
show that the congress is

5002
03:15:03,990 --> 03:15:01,680
participating now doing the right thing

5003
03:15:05,110 --> 03:15:04,000
the department of defense is definitely

5004
03:15:07,670 --> 03:15:05,120
doing the right thing you know what

5005
03:15:09,590 --> 03:15:07,680
happened with the department of defense

5006
03:15:11,910 --> 03:15:09,600
gillibrand's language in the senate bill

5007
03:15:14,469 --> 03:15:11,920
said look 90 days from the signing of

5008
03:15:17,269 --> 03:15:14,479
the bill we would like you to set up a a

5009
03:15:19,269 --> 03:15:17,279
a a task force or set up the operation

5010
03:15:22,070 --> 03:15:19,279
in the dod and do some cross

5011
03:15:23,750 --> 03:15:22,080
communications whatever

5012
03:15:25,510 --> 03:15:23,760
they didn't wait they could have waited

5013
03:15:26,790 --> 03:15:25,520
until the end of march

5014
03:15:29,110 --> 03:15:26,800
they announced they had done it in

5015
03:15:31,030 --> 03:15:29,120
november 23 they were setting it up that

5016
03:15:33,510 --> 03:15:31,040
was at a press release

5017
03:15:35,190 --> 03:15:33,520
these are two press releases of enormous

5018
03:15:37,190 --> 03:15:35,200
political significance and historical

5019
03:15:39,429 --> 03:15:37,200
importance a press release on november

5020
03:15:41,670 --> 03:15:39,439
23 from the dod itself and one from

5021
03:15:43,750 --> 03:15:41,680
rubio's office about the passing of the

5022
03:15:46,070 --> 03:15:43,760
bill and so on that no i don't i won't

5023
03:15:47,750 --> 03:15:46,080
read it because i i i've already taken

5024
03:15:50,070 --> 03:15:47,760
up too much time but on the bill from

5025
03:15:51,349 --> 03:15:50,080
the the pentagon it said we set up we

5026
03:15:54,389 --> 03:15:51,359
set up this

5027
03:15:56,630 --> 03:15:54,399
very weirdly sounding uh organization

5028
03:15:58,790 --> 03:15:56,640
synchronization monetization whatever it

5029
03:16:00,950 --> 03:15:58,800
was that it's going to be

5030
03:16:02,870 --> 03:16:00,960
a a essentially a

5031
03:16:04,790 --> 03:16:02,880
what they call a working group it's

5032
03:16:06,070 --> 03:16:04,800
going to be bringing in material from

5033
03:16:07,990 --> 03:16:06,080
all across the government it's going to

5034
03:16:10,630 --> 03:16:08,000
be coordinating it's going to be under

5035
03:16:12,229 --> 03:16:10,640
the the the the uh the the top

5036
03:16:14,070 --> 03:16:12,239
directorate of

5037
03:16:16,229 --> 03:16:14,080
deputy secretary hicks

5038
03:16:19,830 --> 03:16:16,239
would say underline in other words it

5039
03:16:22,389 --> 03:16:19,840
was basically the whole enchilada

5040
03:16:23,670 --> 03:16:22,399
but there was something they didn't say

5041
03:16:26,469 --> 03:16:23,680
which is okay

5042
03:16:28,870 --> 03:16:26,479
i will say it for them on this show and

5043
03:16:31,510 --> 03:16:28,880
many many other shows and hopefully soon

5044
03:16:34,710 --> 03:16:31,520
on cnn and naval coup

5045
03:16:37,429 --> 03:16:34,720
enable cable news networks that learn

5046
03:16:39,110 --> 03:16:37,439
surprisingly that i'm not dead and call

5047
03:16:41,110 --> 03:16:39,120
me and call me up and say steve you

5048
03:16:42,790 --> 03:16:41,120
should come on right

5049
03:16:44,790 --> 03:16:42,800
um

5050
03:16:46,150 --> 03:16:44,800
everything that was is being set up by

5051
03:16:48,070 --> 03:16:46,160
the pentagon

5052
03:16:51,110 --> 03:16:48,080
all of that structure

5053
03:16:52,550 --> 03:16:51,120
is simply the public facing

5054
03:16:55,190 --> 03:16:52,560
architecture

5055
03:16:58,469 --> 03:16:55,200
to engage this issue appropriately

5056
03:17:01,590 --> 03:16:58,479
that should have been set up 20 30

5057
03:17:02,950 --> 03:17:01,600
40 50 years ago all right and so now

5058
03:17:05,110 --> 03:17:02,960
they're setting it up and the people are

5059
03:17:07,269 --> 03:17:05,120
going oh wonderful that well of course

5060
03:17:09,269 --> 03:17:07,279
that's what we should have

5061
03:17:12,150 --> 03:17:09,279
what they're not mentioning is that for

5062
03:17:15,830 --> 03:17:12,160
the last 74 years there has been a

5063
03:17:19,750 --> 03:17:15,840
perfectly substantial well-funded inward

5064
03:17:22,070 --> 03:17:19,760
facing substructure doing all of that

5065
03:17:23,750 --> 03:17:22,080
under full classification status

5066
03:17:25,590 --> 03:17:23,760
in other words all they're doing is

5067
03:17:27,030 --> 03:17:25,600
saying it's just saying okay we're going

5068
03:17:28,870 --> 03:17:27,040
to create up a public create a public

5069
03:17:30,710 --> 03:17:28,880
version of this because you've been

5070
03:17:32,710 --> 03:17:30,720
bugging us now for 70 years you're

5071
03:17:34,389 --> 03:17:32,720
clearly never going to give up and we're

5072
03:17:37,269 --> 03:17:34,399
sick of dealing with you and so we're

5073
03:17:39,429 --> 03:17:37,279
going to do it damn you all to hell

5074
03:17:41,510 --> 03:17:39,439
but they're not going to mention that oh

5075
03:17:43,990 --> 03:17:41,520
yeah but we're still going to keep that

5076
03:17:47,190 --> 03:17:44,000
fully classified infrastructure in place

5077
03:17:49,750 --> 03:17:47,200
as well all right uh because we don't

5078
03:17:51,910 --> 03:17:49,760
want to get carried away here but should

5079
03:17:53,269 --> 03:17:51,920
the president call here and we if the

5080
03:17:55,349 --> 03:17:53,279
clearings are held and the president

5081
03:17:57,110 --> 03:17:55,359
finally confirms the e.t presence which

5082
03:17:59,110 --> 03:17:57,120
i think will happen late spring early

5083
03:18:00,229 --> 03:17:59,120
summer

5084
03:18:02,309 --> 03:18:00,239
we're set up

5085
03:18:03,670 --> 03:18:02,319
we did the right thing a little late

5086
03:18:05,030 --> 03:18:03,680
don't you love us

5087
03:18:06,150 --> 03:18:05,040
but there's one other aspect of this

5088
03:18:08,550 --> 03:18:06,160
that i'll add

5089
03:18:11,190 --> 03:18:08,560
and this is non-trivial and this is one

5090
03:18:12,550 --> 03:18:11,200
of the reasons they did it

5091
03:18:14,389 --> 03:18:12,560
wholeheartedly

5092
03:18:16,710 --> 03:18:14,399
is that everything that was announced in

5093
03:18:19,110 --> 03:18:16,720
that november 23 press conference all of

5094
03:18:20,710 --> 03:18:19,120
that you know the acronyms and the fancy

5095
03:18:21,510 --> 03:18:20,720
names and who's running what everything

5096
03:18:24,950 --> 03:18:21,520
else

5097
03:18:26,550 --> 03:18:24,960
every bit of that is going to be needed

5098
03:18:28,870 --> 03:18:26,560
after the president confirms the

5099
03:18:30,870 --> 03:18:28,880
extraterrestrial presence

5100
03:18:33,030 --> 03:18:30,880
i'm sure you after disclosure takes

5101
03:18:35,510 --> 03:18:33,040
place the the demand from the public to

5102
03:18:38,389 --> 03:18:35,520
oh yeah monitor this investigate that

5103
03:18:41,429 --> 03:18:38,399
report this do all of this do it even

5104
03:18:43,910 --> 03:18:41,439
more now we want all of it it's already

5105
03:18:46,150 --> 03:18:43,920
set up so they have now set themselves

5106
03:18:47,990 --> 03:18:46,160
up to slide very nicely into the

5107
03:18:50,710 --> 03:18:48,000
post-disclosure world

5108
03:18:52,550 --> 03:18:50,720
where all is forgiven and we start

5109
03:18:53,990 --> 03:18:52,560
learning about the tech and everything

5110
03:18:56,070 --> 03:18:54,000
else they know and then in the

5111
03:18:58,630 --> 03:18:56,080
post-disclosure world these citizens

5112
03:19:01,030 --> 03:18:58,640
will get a chance to to testify

5113
03:19:03,349 --> 03:19:01,040
has to be military witness and before

5114
03:19:04,630 --> 03:19:03,359
disclosure because those are the safest

5115
03:19:08,469 --> 03:19:04,640
witnesses

5116
03:19:11,429 --> 03:19:08,479
we're not going to be getting into some

5117
03:19:13,110 --> 03:19:11,439
of the more exotic areas of the issue

5118
03:19:15,030 --> 03:19:13,120
they've taken an oath to serve they take

5119
03:19:16,309 --> 03:19:15,040
an oath to sit in front of the committee

5120
03:19:18,550 --> 03:19:16,319
and their their testimony is

5121
03:19:20,070 --> 03:19:18,560
extraordinary and it's national security

5122
03:19:22,150 --> 03:19:20,080
based and that is what the president

5123
03:19:24,469 --> 03:19:22,160
needs to make that announcement

5124
03:19:26,389 --> 03:19:24,479
after the hearings well after disclosure

5125
03:19:28,469 --> 03:19:26,399
rather

5126
03:19:31,429 --> 03:19:28,479
who knows who may turn up at hearings in

5127
03:19:32,550 --> 03:19:31,439
washington d.c i'm available my office

5128
03:19:34,070 --> 03:19:32,560
is just too

5129
03:19:36,070 --> 03:19:34,080
blocked from the capitol i'm happy to

5130
03:19:38,150 --> 03:19:36,080
come down and testify

5131
03:19:40,389 --> 03:19:38,160
um and i i know some other of my

5132
03:19:42,309 --> 03:19:40,399
colleagues would like to testify

5133
03:19:44,150 --> 03:19:42,319
and after we've had a bunch of those

5134
03:19:45,429 --> 03:19:44,160
hearings and things are getting really

5135
03:19:47,750 --> 03:19:45,439
interesting

5136
03:19:49,670 --> 03:19:47,760
there's a lot of contactees that would

5137
03:19:51,429 --> 03:19:49,680
like to come and testify and we'll

5138
03:19:53,830 --> 03:19:51,439
eventually get to them and the

5139
03:19:56,150 --> 03:19:53,840
researchers involved but that will be

5140
03:19:57,429 --> 03:19:56,160
down the line because that is a pretty

5141
03:20:00,389 --> 03:19:57,439
big cookie

5142
03:20:02,790 --> 03:20:00,399
to take uh but uh it will happen there's

5143
03:20:05,510 --> 03:20:02,800
no way we won't eventually get there and

5144
03:20:08,550 --> 03:20:05,520
so you can just imagine how interesting

5145
03:20:09,429 --> 03:20:08,560
2022 is going to be

5146
03:20:12,790 --> 03:20:09,439
uh

5147
03:20:14,790 --> 03:20:12,800
all year even as the omega variant

5148
03:20:16,710 --> 03:20:14,800
finally comes in to finish this all off

5149
03:20:18,309 --> 03:20:16,720
we're still going to be

5150
03:20:20,070 --> 03:20:18,319
steve i've got a question for you one

5151
03:20:21,990 --> 03:20:20,080
thing i've noticed recently especially

5152
03:20:24,790 --> 03:20:22,000
in these last couple of months

5153
03:20:26,790 --> 03:20:24,800
where we you know the ndaa has been a

5154
03:20:29,190 --> 03:20:26,800
little bit more in the mainstream not

5155
03:20:31,990 --> 03:20:29,200
necessarily surrounding the uap topic

5156
03:20:34,550 --> 03:20:32,000
but i've noticed a few more people who

5157
03:20:37,349 --> 03:20:34,560
maybe have not followed the subject

5158
03:20:39,269 --> 03:20:37,359
very um in depth before and now coming

5159
03:20:41,269 --> 03:20:39,279
forward with curiosity

5160
03:20:44,070 --> 03:20:41,279
but then they're saying you know well

5161
03:20:45,670 --> 03:20:44,080
they've been hiding us for 70 80 years

5162
03:20:47,190 --> 03:20:45,680
this isn't any different

5163
03:20:48,550 --> 03:20:47,200
what make what what can you tell me that

5164
03:20:49,670 --> 03:20:48,560
makes me think that this is any

5165
03:20:51,670 --> 03:20:49,680
different to what they've been doing

5166
03:20:53,510 --> 03:20:51,680
before where's the difference in this

5167
03:20:56,070 --> 03:20:53,520
new office what would you say to those

5168
03:20:58,150 --> 03:20:56,080
people the difference in the new office

5169
03:21:00,229 --> 03:20:58,160
well there never was such an office

5170
03:21:02,550 --> 03:21:00,239
we had we had an investigation back in

5171
03:21:04,550 --> 03:21:02,560
the 50s called project blue book was a

5172
03:21:06,630 --> 03:21:04,560
complete whitewash

5173
03:21:08,870 --> 03:21:06,640
a new office set up in the pentagon with

5174
03:21:12,389 --> 03:21:08,880
cross-agency capability under the as

5175
03:21:14,790 --> 03:21:12,399
under secretary of defense like

5176
03:21:17,110 --> 03:21:14,800
nah we've had that before look now

5177
03:21:19,110 --> 03:21:17,120
here's the here's the real answer

5178
03:21:21,510 --> 03:21:19,120
the government understands that when

5179
03:21:23,590 --> 03:21:21,520
you've been lying for 75 years

5180
03:21:25,990 --> 03:21:23,600
ending that lie is not going to be like

5181
03:21:28,550 --> 03:21:26,000
hey hey we're lying that's okay they're

5182
03:21:30,950 --> 03:21:28,560
here now leave us alone no no no no not

5183
03:21:33,429 --> 03:21:30,960
in the age of an internet

5184
03:21:35,510 --> 03:21:33,439
they know that they're facing a massive

5185
03:21:37,990 --> 03:21:35,520
public relations problem they're going

5186
03:21:39,349 --> 03:21:38,000
to be inundated with media and questions

5187
03:21:41,269 --> 03:21:39,359
in the public and all kinds of

5188
03:21:42,309 --> 03:21:41,279
conspiracy theorists and everything is

5189
03:21:43,990 --> 03:21:42,319
going to be thrown out there in fact

5190
03:21:46,550 --> 03:21:44,000
that's already started

5191
03:21:48,309 --> 03:21:46,560
but ultimately it won't matter

5192
03:21:49,910 --> 03:21:48,319
all that matters is the world finally

5193
03:21:52,710 --> 03:21:49,920
learns they're not alone and that

5194
03:21:55,429 --> 03:21:52,720
there's extraterrestrials here and it

5195
03:21:57,750 --> 03:21:55,439
will ultimately all work out

5196
03:21:59,830 --> 03:21:57,760
but in this last phase as we move

5197
03:22:01,269 --> 03:21:59,840
towards disclosure itself not

5198
03:22:03,190 --> 03:22:01,279
surprisingly

5199
03:22:05,510 --> 03:22:03,200
plenty of people have plenty of views

5200
03:22:07,190 --> 03:22:05,520
about it have lots of theories about it

5201
03:22:09,990 --> 03:22:07,200
are putting in all kinds of exotic

5202
03:22:12,710 --> 03:22:10,000
explanations very distrustful

5203
03:22:13,590 --> 03:22:12,720
and telling us already in advance it's a

5204
03:22:15,670 --> 03:22:13,600
lie

5205
03:22:18,070 --> 03:22:15,680
it's a false flag

5206
03:22:18,870 --> 03:22:18,080
they're going to do a project bluebeam

5207
03:22:21,030 --> 03:22:18,880
right

5208
03:22:22,710 --> 03:22:21,040
uh and the dracos who have been living

5209
03:22:25,429 --> 03:22:22,720
here all along under the atlantic ocean

5210
03:22:27,750 --> 03:22:25,439
are going to take over look i get that

5211
03:22:29,590 --> 03:22:27,760
but you know i don't really blame the

5212
03:22:31,030 --> 03:22:29,600
people that are doing that because the

5213
03:22:33,429 --> 03:22:31,040
fact is

5214
03:22:36,790 --> 03:22:33,439
the government by making the choice for

5215
03:22:40,389 --> 03:22:36,800
national security reasons back way back

5216
03:22:42,950 --> 03:22:40,399
i was just a little baby in 1947

5217
03:22:45,510 --> 03:22:42,960
i was one year old no no no in july of

5218
03:22:47,429 --> 03:22:45,520
1947 i was seven months old so i wasn't

5219
03:22:49,110 --> 03:22:47,439
really getting the picture right then

5220
03:22:51,030 --> 03:22:49,120
the point is is that

5221
03:22:56,389 --> 03:22:51,040
they

5222
03:22:58,550 --> 03:22:56,399
the truth embargo by denying this issue

5223
03:23:00,309 --> 03:22:58,560
for all these years it created a space

5224
03:23:03,910 --> 03:23:00,319
between the truth

5225
03:23:06,309 --> 03:23:03,920
and the the faults of this right and and

5226
03:23:08,870 --> 03:23:06,319
and and and nature doesn't like a vacuum

5227
03:23:11,670 --> 03:23:08,880
and so they created the space that

5228
03:23:13,429 --> 03:23:11,680
people all around the world filled up

5229
03:23:15,670 --> 03:23:13,439
with whatever they wanted to stick in

5230
03:23:19,670 --> 03:23:15,680
that space whether that was years of

5231
03:23:20,870 --> 03:23:19,680
hard research a couple of fine books

5232
03:23:24,150 --> 03:23:20,880
or

5233
03:23:26,550 --> 03:23:24,160
complete and utter confabulations sci-fi

5234
03:23:28,150 --> 03:23:26,560
whatever we filled up that space

5235
03:23:30,469 --> 03:23:28,160
because there was nothing in it it was a

5236
03:23:32,229 --> 03:23:30,479
vacuum that's the government's fault and

5237
03:23:34,309 --> 03:23:32,239
so all the nonsense all the things that

5238
03:23:38,150 --> 03:23:34,319
people like to criticize now when they

5239
03:23:39,990 --> 03:23:38,160
still continue to call uh us nutters

5240
03:23:41,750 --> 03:23:40,000
right who just did that recently that

5241
03:23:43,510 --> 03:23:41,760
really irritated the hell out of me oh

5242
03:23:45,670 --> 03:23:43,520
yeah a guy named

5243
03:23:46,790 --> 03:23:45,680
calaveto in an article in the new

5244
03:23:47,670 --> 03:23:46,800
republic

5245
03:23:50,229 --> 03:23:47,680
right

5246
03:23:52,309 --> 03:23:50,239
he's he's just trashing the ufo people

5247
03:23:53,190 --> 03:23:52,319
the nutters for all the stuff they've

5248
03:23:55,750 --> 03:23:53,200
done

5249
03:23:57,429 --> 03:23:55,760
and now you've got another um did i get

5250
03:23:59,190 --> 03:23:57,439
that right

5251
03:24:01,830 --> 03:23:59,200
new republic

5252
03:24:04,229 --> 03:24:01,840
and then oh oh a guy named brynn

5253
03:24:07,110 --> 03:24:04,239
right a brilliant guy he's written some

5254
03:24:09,750 --> 03:24:07,120
top-selling sci-fi books just published

5255
03:24:12,309 --> 03:24:09,760
uh he's a futurist he's a genius he has

5256
03:24:14,710 --> 03:24:12,319
a phd in physics and he just wrote an

5257
03:24:17,030 --> 03:24:14,720
absolutely asinine article

5258
03:24:18,870 --> 03:24:17,040
uh in which he completely shows he's

5259
03:24:20,950 --> 03:24:18,880
missed the whole deal about the the

5260
03:24:23,190 --> 03:24:20,960
truth embargo and what's happened

5261
03:24:25,830 --> 03:24:23,200
and he's making ridiculous statements

5262
03:24:27,830 --> 03:24:25,840
and the beauty of this bryn article

5263
03:24:29,830 --> 03:24:27,840
which i forget where was published easy

5264
03:24:31,830 --> 03:24:29,840
to find

5265
03:24:33,990 --> 03:24:31,840
is that it shows again

5266
03:24:35,910 --> 03:24:34,000
that even if you've got a phd in physics

5267
03:24:37,590 --> 03:24:35,920
even if you're a brilliant man and

5268
03:24:39,750 --> 03:24:37,600
you've read all kinds of science and

5269
03:24:41,990 --> 03:24:39,760
you've written successful sci-fi novels

5270
03:24:44,550 --> 03:24:42,000
and won the hugo award

5271
03:24:46,870 --> 03:24:44,560
right that you can be taken in by that

5272
03:24:49,510 --> 03:24:46,880
truth embargo you can be completely

5273
03:24:51,830 --> 03:24:49,520
bamboozled by it you bought it hook line

5274
03:24:53,510 --> 03:24:51,840
and sinker right and you're going well

5275
03:24:55,190 --> 03:24:53,520
the government says there's no bts here

5276
03:24:57,110 --> 03:24:55,200
and this person over here is just a

5277
03:24:59,269 --> 03:24:57,120
citizen researcher and they don't have a

5278
03:25:00,870 --> 03:24:59,279
phd in physics so why not would i pay

5279
03:25:01,750 --> 03:25:00,880
attention to them

5280
03:25:03,429 --> 03:25:01,760
yeah

5281
03:25:05,510 --> 03:25:03,439
that's how good it was

5282
03:25:07,510 --> 03:25:05,520
so mr brynn is a brilliant guy no

5283
03:25:10,309 --> 03:25:07,520
question hell of a lot smarter than me

5284
03:25:12,229 --> 03:25:10,319
but he that they he he get rolled over

5285
03:25:14,389 --> 03:25:12,239
by the government's truth embargo he's

5286
03:25:16,389 --> 03:25:14,399
not the only one

5287
03:25:18,630 --> 03:25:16,399
thousands upon thousands of top

5288
03:25:21,190 --> 03:25:18,640
scientists are going to wake up in about

5289
03:25:23,910 --> 03:25:21,200
a year and go what uh

5290
03:25:27,269 --> 03:25:23,920
what uh you you

5291
03:25:29,510 --> 03:25:27,279
you mean they really are here

5292
03:25:30,469 --> 03:25:29,520
you mean that liz linda milton howe was

5293
03:25:31,910 --> 03:25:30,479
right

5294
03:25:33,910 --> 03:25:31,920
you mean

5295
03:25:35,750 --> 03:25:33,920
that that richard hogan was right you

5296
03:25:38,550 --> 03:25:35,760
mean all of these people who don't have

5297
03:25:41,349 --> 03:25:38,560
the advanced degrees that i have were

5298
03:25:43,190 --> 03:25:41,359
right and the government lied to me and

5299
03:25:44,309 --> 03:25:43,200
i'm a phd

5300
03:25:45,590 --> 03:25:44,319
that's what they're going to be feeling

5301
03:25:47,910 --> 03:25:45,600
that's what they're going to be seeing

5302
03:25:49,510 --> 03:25:47,920
sometime next year and the lesson is

5303
03:25:52,469 --> 03:25:49,520
this

5304
03:25:54,150 --> 03:25:52,479
do not underestimate the power of the of

5305
03:25:55,670 --> 03:25:54,160
any government including the united

5306
03:25:57,349 --> 03:25:55,680
states government

5307
03:26:00,950 --> 03:25:57,359
to bamboozle you

5308
03:26:02,870 --> 03:26:00,960
con you fool you lie to you misrepresent

5309
03:26:05,190 --> 03:26:02,880
and take you in

5310
03:26:09,510 --> 03:26:05,200
and the smarter you think you are the

5311
03:26:14,309 --> 03:26:12,710
let me ask you this uh steve that was

5312
03:26:16,950 --> 03:26:14,319
beautiful

5313
03:26:18,870 --> 03:26:16,960
and whenever i whenever whenever i need

5314
03:26:20,870 --> 03:26:18,880
some gusto i'm going to go back to this

5315
03:26:22,710 --> 03:26:20,880
and just blast it on 11 in my car

5316
03:26:24,870 --> 03:26:22,720
beautiful

5317
03:26:27,269 --> 03:26:24,880
but i thank you sean thank you

5318
03:26:29,590 --> 03:26:27,279
fired up man but yeah

5319
03:26:31,030 --> 03:26:29,600
well what i wanted to ask is

5320
03:26:33,670 --> 03:26:31,040
you know um

5321
03:26:35,590 --> 03:26:33,680
are they definitely extraterrestrial is

5322
03:26:37,510 --> 03:26:35,600
it interdimensional

5323
03:26:39,349 --> 03:26:37,520
ultra dimension you know any of that

5324
03:26:40,790 --> 03:26:39,359
you're just laughing all that off and

5325
03:26:44,150 --> 03:26:40,800
it's just e.t

5326
03:26:47,190 --> 03:26:44,160
all the way home how many how many how

5327
03:26:50,790 --> 03:26:47,200
many goldilocks planets do they have to

5328
03:26:53,670 --> 03:26:50,800
find you know 50 million 100 million a

5329
03:26:57,510 --> 03:26:53,680
billion 10 billion a trillion

5330
03:26:59,670 --> 03:26:57,520
right uh before people go hmm

5331
03:27:01,510 --> 03:26:59,680
we evolved the sensitive species and had

5332
03:27:03,670 --> 03:27:01,520
technology on this planet could that

5333
03:27:05,990 --> 03:27:03,680
have happened on another planet

5334
03:27:08,630 --> 03:27:06,000
well i don't know what are the odds

5335
03:27:10,870 --> 03:27:08,640
99.999

5336
03:27:13,990 --> 03:27:10,880
to 1.

5337
03:27:15,590 --> 03:27:14,000
one of the reasons i think is that

5338
03:27:16,630 --> 03:27:15,600
well first of all there's the relativity

5339
03:27:19,269 --> 03:27:16,640
thing

5340
03:27:21,590 --> 03:27:19,279
which as you know was discovered in 1903

5341
03:27:23,190 --> 03:27:21,600
and we're really fond of it it's 120

5342
03:27:27,190 --> 03:27:23,200
years old and we're absolutely certain

5343
03:27:28,950 --> 03:27:27,200
it is the ultimate some bonum of physics

5344
03:27:30,710 --> 03:27:28,960
in other words there's nothing more to

5345
03:27:33,349 --> 03:27:30,720
know about how you move around in space

5346
03:27:35,830 --> 03:27:33,359
than the relativity theory from 1903

5347
03:27:38,070 --> 03:27:35,840
okay and so for a lot of scientists it's

5348
03:27:40,309 --> 03:27:38,080
their safe haven hey look don't talk to

5349
03:27:42,229 --> 03:27:40,319
me about extraterrestrials i understand

5350
03:27:44,550 --> 03:27:42,239
general relativity and they can't get

5351
03:27:46,950 --> 03:27:44,560
here from here they're from here

5352
03:27:48,070 --> 03:27:46,960
well guess what they can

5353
03:27:49,830 --> 03:27:48,080
all right

5354
03:27:51,349 --> 03:27:49,840
and so somebody's and there are other

5355
03:27:53,830 --> 03:27:51,359
people that just are not comfortable

5356
03:27:57,110 --> 03:27:53,840
with the idea that they're they're from

5357
03:27:59,030 --> 03:27:57,120
other planets because if a species in

5358
03:28:01,670 --> 03:27:59,040
fact there's a number of them with us

5359
03:28:03,269 --> 03:28:01,680
now right just to ask any contact d that

5360
03:28:06,229 --> 03:28:03,279
said the full monty

5361
03:28:07,429 --> 03:28:06,239
uh if a species can come from planet

5362
03:28:11,670 --> 03:28:07,439
y

5363
03:28:14,229 --> 03:28:11,680
and d and that means there's a lot of

5364
03:28:16,550 --> 03:28:14,239
potential species out there and that's a

5365
03:28:18,229 --> 03:28:16,560
kind of crowded situation and one of

5366
03:28:19,269 --> 03:28:18,239
them is going to come to eat us i get

5367
03:28:21,670 --> 03:28:19,279
that

5368
03:28:23,510 --> 03:28:21,680
but if they're coming from our future

5369
03:28:25,910 --> 03:28:23,520
they're just us in the future well

5370
03:28:27,110 --> 03:28:25,920
that's a lot safer hey that's just us in

5371
03:28:28,550 --> 03:28:27,120
the future they're not going to do

5372
03:28:30,790 --> 03:28:28,560
anything really bad they're just coming

5373
03:28:33,349 --> 03:28:30,800
back to help us out right all you need

5374
03:28:36,070 --> 03:28:33,359
is time travel everybody knows that's

5375
03:28:38,710 --> 03:28:36,080
easy i've seen the movies i've read the

5376
03:28:40,950 --> 03:28:38,720
books or they've been living here all

5377
03:28:42,229 --> 03:28:40,960
along under the atlantic ocean and and

5378
03:28:43,910 --> 03:28:42,239
they've been around but now they're

5379
03:28:45,269 --> 03:28:43,920
going to let us know

5380
03:28:48,469 --> 03:28:45,279
well okay they've been living here all

5381
03:28:49,670 --> 03:28:48,479
along they're earthians they're like us

5382
03:28:51,670 --> 03:28:49,680
there's nothing

5383
03:28:52,550 --> 03:28:51,680
please people

5384
03:28:55,349 --> 03:28:52,560
right

5385
03:28:56,229 --> 03:28:55,359
time travel odds against it billions to

5386
03:28:57,750 --> 03:28:56,239
one

5387
03:28:59,910 --> 03:28:57,760
interdimensional

5388
03:29:01,910 --> 03:28:59,920
simultaneous dimensions you cross back

5389
03:29:05,590 --> 03:29:01,920
and forth it's good for movies

5390
03:29:07,349 --> 03:29:05,600
scientific basis zilch nada nietzsche

5391
03:29:09,429 --> 03:29:07,359
bupkus okay

5392
03:29:11,830 --> 03:29:09,439
but the fact that there may be planets

5393
03:29:14,790 --> 03:29:11,840
out there that have life is a guaranteed

5394
03:29:18,150 --> 03:29:14,800
certainty and the surveys now show there

5395
03:29:20,550 --> 03:29:18,160
may very well be more planets capable of

5396
03:29:23,269 --> 03:29:20,560
sustaining life in this universe then

5397
03:29:25,269 --> 03:29:23,279
all of the grains of sand on the beaches

5398
03:29:28,469 --> 03:29:25,279
of the earth and all the leaves on all

5399
03:29:29,510 --> 03:29:28,479
the trees on the trees of earth combined

5400
03:29:30,630 --> 03:29:29,520
so

5401
03:29:32,150 --> 03:29:30,640
forgive me

5402
03:29:33,349 --> 03:29:32,160
i'm gonna go with there from another

5403
03:29:35,190 --> 03:29:33,359
planet

5404
03:29:37,269 --> 03:29:35,200
steve i got a question you're forgiven

5405
03:29:38,550 --> 03:29:37,279
wait um

5406
03:29:41,429 --> 03:29:38,560
i forgive you

5407
03:29:46,150 --> 03:29:43,990
it's the zoom thing it's okay

5408
03:29:48,550 --> 03:29:46,160
hey um first and foremost i just want to

5409
03:29:50,630 --> 03:29:48,560
say your work bar none i don't really

5410
03:29:53,750 --> 03:29:50,640
think there's anybody that rivals you

5411
03:29:55,670 --> 03:29:53,760
know your tenacity for that matter um i

5412
03:29:57,590 --> 03:29:55,680
think there is

5413
03:29:59,750 --> 03:29:57,600
a lot of us in this community who have a

5414
03:30:01,190 --> 03:29:59,760
hard time talking to our you know

5415
03:30:02,469 --> 03:30:01,200
significant others or our friends about

5416
03:30:04,550 --> 03:30:02,479
this so

5417
03:30:06,389 --> 03:30:04,560
i agree with you that we are it's more

5418
03:30:08,790 --> 03:30:06,399
of a when we get to congressional

5419
03:30:10,469 --> 03:30:08,800
hearings not an if but when that does

5420
03:30:12,630 --> 03:30:10,479
happen how do we get our friends how do

5421
03:30:14,070 --> 03:30:12,640
we get the layman to care about this

5422
03:30:16,389 --> 03:30:14,080
stuff considering we have all these

5423
03:30:18,150 --> 03:30:16,399
other obstacles like kovid

5424
03:30:19,590 --> 03:30:18,160
and i mean in the states there's many

5425
03:30:21,990 --> 03:30:19,600
things to name but do you have any

5426
03:30:23,670 --> 03:30:22,000
comments on that oh i do i most

5427
03:30:26,469 --> 03:30:23,680
certainly do one

5428
03:30:27,510 --> 03:30:26,479
i assure you when they call when they

5429
03:30:30,070 --> 03:30:27,520
announce

5430
03:30:32,309 --> 03:30:30,080
that some military military witnesses

5431
03:30:34,710 --> 03:30:32,319
are going to start testifying before the

5432
03:30:36,389 --> 03:30:34,720
senate intel committee and and then the

5433
03:30:38,150 --> 03:30:36,399
other committees start chiming in

5434
03:30:39,910 --> 03:30:38,160
because i can assure you

5435
03:30:41,990 --> 03:30:39,920
given the audience for these hearings is

5436
03:30:44,630 --> 03:30:42,000
going to be in the hundreds of millions

5437
03:30:45,670 --> 03:30:44,640
every committee chair the agricultural

5438
03:30:47,110 --> 03:30:45,680
committee is going to want to have

5439
03:30:48,870 --> 03:30:47,120
hearings right

5440
03:30:51,910 --> 03:30:48,880
because if you're a senator or

5441
03:30:53,670 --> 03:30:51,920
congressperson nothing beats being in uh

5442
03:30:56,070 --> 03:30:53,680
in a committee hearing that's got 100

5443
03:30:58,309 --> 03:30:56,080
200 million people watching it and so

5444
03:31:00,229 --> 03:30:58,319
the in the house intel house armed

5445
03:31:01,670 --> 03:31:00,239
services synonym services probably the

5446
03:31:03,429 --> 03:31:01,680
homeland security committees they're all

5447
03:31:05,429 --> 03:31:03,439
going to jump in

5448
03:31:06,950 --> 03:31:05,439
and i you won't have to convince your

5449
03:31:08,309 --> 03:31:06,960
friends right

5450
03:31:09,510 --> 03:31:08,319
i assure you

5451
03:31:10,790 --> 03:31:09,520
you're not going to have to call them up

5452
03:31:12,469 --> 03:31:10,800
and say look

5453
03:31:14,229 --> 03:31:12,479
before the hearing start can i finally

5454
03:31:15,990 --> 03:31:14,239
convince you there's et's here no no no

5455
03:31:17,910 --> 03:31:16,000
no just

5456
03:31:20,469 --> 03:31:17,920
send them an email and say the hearings

5457
03:31:22,229 --> 03:31:20,479
start on monday they will be glued to

5458
03:31:24,630 --> 03:31:22,239
their television sets

5459
03:31:27,110 --> 03:31:24,640
for days and weeks whatever okay it's

5460
03:31:29,510 --> 03:31:27,120
there won't be any cars on the roads all

5461
03:31:30,870 --> 03:31:29,520
right and they will figure it out on

5462
03:31:33,429 --> 03:31:30,880
their own

5463
03:31:34,950 --> 03:31:33,439
right and nothing personal to you

5464
03:31:36,870 --> 03:31:34,960
but when the nuclear witnesses start

5465
03:31:38,150 --> 03:31:36,880
testifying about them shutting off our

5466
03:31:39,590 --> 03:31:38,160
nukes and stuff

5467
03:31:41,830 --> 03:31:39,600
they're going to be impressed by that

5468
03:31:42,950 --> 03:31:41,840
because they're nuclear sac based

5469
03:31:45,190 --> 03:31:42,960
officers

5470
03:31:46,790 --> 03:31:45,200
so but i didn't need a nuclear sac based

5471
03:31:49,110 --> 03:31:46,800
officer to convince me i knew it when i

5472
03:31:51,269 --> 03:31:49,120
was 18 from reading the news but

5473
03:31:52,950 --> 03:31:51,279
everybody is different and everybody

5474
03:31:55,190 --> 03:31:52,960
needs what they need to get convinced

5475
03:31:57,990 --> 03:31:55,200
let them get convinced in their own you

5476
03:31:59,750 --> 03:31:58,000
know good time all right

5477
03:32:01,910 --> 03:31:59,760
and then i think the uh

5478
03:32:03,830 --> 03:32:01,920
what was the other question it was

5479
03:32:05,590 --> 03:32:03,840
uh how how do we convince them and there

5480
03:32:07,190 --> 03:32:05,600
was another part of that question oh

5481
03:32:08,710 --> 03:32:07,200
just considering all the other obstacles

5482
03:32:10,870 --> 03:32:08,720
that people have their attention focused

5483
03:32:13,110 --> 03:32:10,880
on that you answered oh yeah i think the

5484
03:32:14,950 --> 03:32:13,120
point is is that yeah no these hearings

5485
03:32:17,349 --> 03:32:14,960
when they take place will be the most

5486
03:32:19,590 --> 03:32:17,359
watched hearings in american history

5487
03:32:22,389 --> 03:32:19,600
and given the issue is completely global

5488
03:32:25,309 --> 03:32:22,399
in its importance they will be watched

5489
03:32:29,190 --> 03:32:25,319
worldwide they will be translated semi

5490
03:32:31,910 --> 03:32:29,200
simultaneously in bulgarian uh i i

5491
03:32:34,550 --> 03:32:31,920
predict that not maybe right away

5492
03:32:36,070 --> 03:32:34,560
but after we get into it and the press

5493
03:32:37,830 --> 03:32:36,080
gets on it and people start hearing the

5494
03:32:39,429 --> 03:32:37,840
word that the number of people watching

5495
03:32:41,429 --> 03:32:39,439
these hearings at some point will

5496
03:32:43,830 --> 03:32:41,439
approach two

5497
03:32:45,590 --> 03:32:43,840
two and a half billion people worldwide

5498
03:32:46,469 --> 03:32:45,600
that's how big it is

5499
03:32:48,389 --> 03:32:46,479
right

5500
03:32:50,309 --> 03:32:48,399
it's going to be bigger than the oj

5501
03:32:51,990 --> 03:32:50,319
simpson thing it's going to be bigger

5502
03:32:53,429 --> 03:32:52,000
than the benghazi parents and it's going

5503
03:32:55,030 --> 03:32:53,439
to yeah

5504
03:32:56,950 --> 03:32:55,040
and that's why

5505
03:32:58,710 --> 03:32:56,960
trophy winner killing his wife i don't

5506
03:33:01,510 --> 03:32:58,720
know that's tough

5507
03:33:03,590 --> 03:33:01,520
it was huge i watched most of it okay i

5508
03:33:05,750 --> 03:33:03,600
watched it

5509
03:33:09,750 --> 03:33:05,760
i don't know how much uh time mr bassett

5510
03:33:11,990 --> 03:33:09,760
has left uh we surprised half hour so

5511
03:33:13,349 --> 03:33:12,000
i got a quick one hopefully

5512
03:33:15,429 --> 03:33:13,359
hopefully uh

5513
03:33:17,670 --> 03:33:15,439
we can get it in um steve you mentioned

5514
03:33:20,150 --> 03:33:17,680
extraterrestrials um are you convinced

5515
03:33:21,830 --> 03:33:20,160
that it is extraterrestrial and not

5516
03:33:23,750 --> 03:33:21,840
something else no it's they're

5517
03:33:26,150 --> 03:33:23,760
extraterrestrials okay by the way

5518
03:33:28,790 --> 03:33:26,160
they've told contact as they are

5519
03:33:33,750 --> 03:33:30,469
hundreds of thousands of contact e

5520
03:33:36,630 --> 03:33:33,760
reports uh 90 plus percent are almost

5521
03:33:38,389 --> 03:33:36,640
certainly fully valid um and on many

5522
03:33:40,550 --> 03:33:38,399
cases they actually tell them we're from

5523
03:33:42,229 --> 03:33:40,560
a planet such and such or we are from

5524
03:33:44,710 --> 03:33:42,239
other planets they've actually told them

5525
03:33:46,630 --> 03:33:44,720
that now admittedly the contact d did

5526
03:33:48,870 --> 03:33:46,640
not have their iphone with them in order

5527
03:33:50,710 --> 03:33:48,880
to record that you know say could you

5528
03:33:51,590 --> 03:33:50,720
say that again i want to film it on my

5529
03:33:53,590 --> 03:33:51,600
iphone

5530
03:33:55,590 --> 03:33:53,600
but in fairness you have

5531
03:33:57,750 --> 03:33:55,600
in all fairness you have people like mr

5532
03:33:58,830 --> 03:33:57,760
valet and you know one of the great

5533
03:34:02,550 --> 03:33:58,840
writers of

5534
03:34:04,710 --> 03:34:02,560
ufology john keel who says that these

5535
03:34:05,910 --> 03:34:04,720
things are sometimes uh

5536
03:34:08,630 --> 03:34:05,920
you know

5537
03:34:10,469 --> 03:34:08,640
provide deception and certain control

5538
03:34:12,309 --> 03:34:10,479
systems and and maybe

5539
03:34:15,190 --> 03:34:12,319
you know the things that they're telling

5540
03:34:17,750 --> 03:34:15,200
contactees is what they want to tell

5541
03:34:19,990 --> 03:34:17,760
them not necessarily what it is

5542
03:34:22,550 --> 03:34:20,000
yeah let's just say that let me put it

5543
03:34:23,990 --> 03:34:22,560
this way a valet is a brilliant guy

5544
03:34:25,750 --> 03:34:24,000
though i think most of his thinking is

5545
03:34:26,950 --> 03:34:25,760
still back in the 70s

5546
03:34:28,950 --> 03:34:26,960
um

5547
03:34:31,750 --> 03:34:28,960
so there and and

5548
03:34:35,110 --> 03:34:31,760
i think it is there's no question

5549
03:34:37,429 --> 03:34:35,120
that the totality of the phenomena

5550
03:34:39,269 --> 03:34:37,439
is is going to have some nuances there's

5551
03:34:40,870 --> 03:34:39,279
going to be plenty of things that we're

5552
03:34:43,510 --> 03:34:40,880
going to learn that we that we may

5553
03:34:45,429 --> 03:34:43,520
surprise us and so it would be foolish

5554
03:34:47,349 --> 03:34:45,439
to simply absolutely limit it to a

5555
03:34:49,110 --> 03:34:47,359
narrow interpretation

5556
03:34:51,269 --> 03:34:49,120
but from the standpoint of the political

5557
03:34:52,870 --> 03:34:51,279
process all we need to know

5558
03:34:55,110 --> 03:34:52,880
is that there's non-human beings from

5559
03:34:56,150 --> 03:34:55,120
elsewhere engaging the planet and we

5560
03:34:58,150 --> 03:34:56,160
probably and

5561
03:34:59,830 --> 03:34:58,160
that's been denied by our government and

5562
03:35:01,990 --> 03:34:59,840
that needs to be fixed

5563
03:35:03,590 --> 03:35:02,000
as you move from that

5564
03:35:04,950 --> 03:35:03,600
we may well we know they're telepathic

5565
03:35:06,870 --> 03:35:04,960
that's pretty cool

5566
03:35:08,389 --> 03:35:06,880
all right they may be able to cloak

5567
03:35:09,990 --> 03:35:08,399
that's pretty cool we know that they can

5568
03:35:11,670 --> 03:35:10,000
move through space in an extraordinary

5569
03:35:13,269 --> 03:35:11,680
way that's cool

5570
03:35:15,429 --> 03:35:13,279
do they have to come from another

5571
03:35:17,750 --> 03:35:15,439
dimension too

5572
03:35:19,429 --> 03:35:17,760
right uh we know that they're and we

5573
03:35:21,110 --> 03:35:19,439
know that because their physics or their

5574
03:35:23,110 --> 03:35:21,120
science is so well developed are we

5575
03:35:24,550 --> 03:35:23,120
shocked that that they do things that

5576
03:35:26,550 --> 03:35:24,560
seem magical

5577
03:35:28,710 --> 03:35:26,560
it seems

5578
03:35:30,550 --> 03:35:28,720
valet is kind of talked about

5579
03:35:32,229 --> 03:35:30,560
right they can make you see what what

5580
03:35:33,990 --> 03:35:32,239
they want you to see and so you'd be

5581
03:35:36,550 --> 03:35:34,000
sitting across them at the dinner table

5582
03:35:38,150 --> 03:35:36,560
at the at denny's and uh and and you'd

5583
03:35:39,830 --> 03:35:38,160
be seeing mickey mouse that's pretty

5584
03:35:41,910 --> 03:35:39,840
cool i mean there's plenty of cool stuff

5585
03:35:44,150 --> 03:35:41,920
we already know

5586
03:35:46,070 --> 03:35:44,160
but one of the problems i have is that

5587
03:35:48,150 --> 03:35:46,080
people a number of i'm not going to name

5588
03:35:50,630 --> 03:35:48,160
them but a number of individuals have

5589
03:35:52,870 --> 03:35:50,640
have have taken this tact

5590
03:35:54,389 --> 03:35:52,880
they're they're not ready to yield up on

5591
03:35:56,469 --> 03:35:54,399
the truth embargo they're not ready to

5592
03:35:58,070 --> 03:35:56,479
announce the e.t presence they know

5593
03:35:59,429 --> 03:35:58,080
there's an e.t presence but they're

5594
03:36:02,150 --> 03:35:59,439
involved and they get asked a lot of

5595
03:36:03,830 --> 03:36:02,160
questions and they they put forward this

5596
03:36:06,550 --> 03:36:03,840
concept

5597
03:36:09,110 --> 03:36:06,560
we really don't know everything about

5598
03:36:11,830 --> 03:36:09,120
this phenomena right we don't there's

5599
03:36:14,229 --> 03:36:11,840
things we don't fully understand

5600
03:36:17,110 --> 03:36:14,239
and so it's not appropriate for us to

5601
03:36:18,870 --> 03:36:17,120
say that there's et's here

5602
03:36:20,309 --> 03:36:18,880
and i'm going what

5603
03:36:22,150 --> 03:36:20,319
what in other words we have to know

5604
03:36:23,590 --> 03:36:22,160
where they were born

5605
03:36:25,750 --> 03:36:23,600
what what what what their what their

5606
03:36:28,150 --> 03:36:25,760
snack food preferences are

5607
03:36:30,790 --> 03:36:28,160
uh we have to know all of that before we

5608
03:36:32,550 --> 03:36:30,800
can just acknowledge that they're here

5609
03:36:34,150 --> 03:36:32,560
you see another it's a it's a ruse and

5610
03:36:36,550 --> 03:36:34,160
that's a ruse it's it's a it's a

5611
03:36:38,710 --> 03:36:36,560
distraction and you and if you listen

5612
03:36:40,870 --> 03:36:38,720
carefully you'll hear it well we're not

5613
03:36:42,630 --> 03:36:40,880
sure how they do that and we're not sure

5614
03:36:43,830 --> 03:36:42,640
how that happened so we're not prepared

5615
03:36:45,830 --> 03:36:43,840
to acknowledge that there's

5616
03:36:47,190 --> 03:36:45,840
extraterrestrials what

5617
03:36:49,110 --> 03:36:47,200
please

5618
03:36:50,309 --> 03:36:49,120
it's embarrassing it's insulting to hear

5619
03:36:52,070 --> 03:36:50,319
that kind of stuff

5620
03:36:53,750 --> 03:36:52,080
of course there's aspects of them we

5621
03:36:57,429 --> 03:36:53,760
don't understand

5622
03:36:59,429 --> 03:36:57,439
they got here

5623
03:37:01,190 --> 03:36:59,439
and that's worth considering

5624
03:37:03,190 --> 03:37:01,200
but using this lack of full

5625
03:37:04,630 --> 03:37:03,200
understanding as a basis for well we

5626
03:37:06,870 --> 03:37:04,640
probably shouldn't tell the people the

5627
03:37:08,710 --> 03:37:06,880
truth about it yet or we we don't

5628
03:37:10,309 --> 03:37:08,720
we don't have the right to know or we

5629
03:37:12,950 --> 03:37:10,319
can't handle this truth

5630
03:37:14,389 --> 03:37:12,960
is not acceptable to me there's an e.t

5631
03:37:15,910 --> 03:37:14,399
presence the government has denied it

5632
03:37:18,550 --> 03:37:15,920
now the government needs to confirm it

5633
03:37:19,910 --> 03:37:18,560
and then we will all learn more together

5634
03:37:20,950 --> 03:37:19,920
which is the way it should have been all

5635
03:37:23,269 --> 03:37:20,960
along

5636
03:37:24,710 --> 03:37:23,279
gotcha hey i appreciate your time mr

5637
03:37:28,870 --> 03:37:24,720
basset you have been

5638
03:37:34,550 --> 03:37:31,269
and you just diffused a lot of energy uh

5639
03:37:35,990 --> 03:37:34,560
in us to continue going so look i'm an

5640
03:37:38,150 --> 03:37:36,000
activist

5641
03:37:39,670 --> 03:37:38,160
uh my job is to get the public

5642
03:37:41,510 --> 03:37:39,680
interested and informed that's why i

5643
03:37:43,750 --> 03:37:41,520
like to use the humor right take a

5644
03:37:45,590 --> 03:37:43,760
little edge off except when i get into

5645
03:37:47,830 --> 03:37:45,600
the whole nuclear weapons thing and then

5646
03:37:49,269 --> 03:37:47,840
things get really dark but

5647
03:37:51,670 --> 03:37:49,279
tonight was an opportunity for me to

5648
03:37:53,510 --> 03:37:51,680
have some fun i enjoyed doing this and

5649
03:38:03,960 --> 03:37:53,520
i'm really looking forward to doing it

5650
03:38:08,229 --> 03:38:05,910
[Laughter]

5651
03:38:10,229 --> 03:38:08,239
awesome okay

5652
03:38:12,389 --> 03:38:10,239
yeah he went right up to 11 that's for

5653
03:38:17,269 --> 03:38:12,399
sure

5654
03:38:19,990 --> 03:38:17,279
yeah christian you're here

5655
03:38:24,550 --> 03:38:22,229
i'd like to start by saying christian

5656
03:38:26,710 --> 03:38:24,560
and dave you've both been awesome this

5657
03:38:28,630 --> 03:38:26,720
past year as well in your own respective

5658
03:38:30,550 --> 03:38:28,640
ways um really stood out in the

5659
03:38:32,550 --> 03:38:30,560
community dave with all the work you do

5660
03:38:34,790 --> 03:38:32,560
with uap media uk which obviously i'm

5661
03:38:37,229 --> 03:38:34,800
fully aware of and shadows of your mind

5662
03:38:39,910 --> 03:38:37,239
magazine christian the release of

5663
03:38:42,389 --> 03:38:39,920
uapdb.com has been you know you've set

5664
03:38:44,070 --> 03:38:42,399
the bar super high for a place where you

5665
03:38:46,710 --> 03:38:44,080
can go for all the information so both

5666
03:38:48,710 --> 03:38:46,720
of you guys i salute you

5667
03:38:51,030 --> 03:38:48,720
no i think we need to salute everybody

5668
03:38:53,110 --> 03:38:51,040
who's put in the effort this year yeah

5669
03:38:55,349 --> 03:38:53,120
yeah and and his previous as well

5670
03:38:57,590 --> 03:38:55,359
because it's not just

5671
03:38:58,710 --> 03:38:57,600
you know we wouldn't be doing what we do

5672
03:38:59,750 --> 03:38:58,720
without

5673
03:39:00,870 --> 03:38:59,760
you know the work that's been done

5674
03:39:04,309 --> 03:39:00,880
before us

5675
03:39:04,319 --> 03:39:07,590
boom might

5676
03:39:10,790 --> 03:39:09,269
i'll be drop back i got to take a fight

5677
03:39:12,389 --> 03:39:10,800
i got to take a fiver i started

5678
03:39:13,830 --> 03:39:12,399
something and then bassett came in a

5679
03:39:15,030 --> 03:39:13,840
little early and kind of screwed it up

5680
03:39:17,030 --> 03:39:15,040
so

5681
03:39:19,590 --> 03:39:17,040
well i mean you know i don't mean that

5682
03:39:22,790 --> 03:39:21,269
it just don't get those thoughts out of

5683
03:39:23,910 --> 03:39:22,800
your head i'll be right back

5684
03:39:28,630 --> 03:39:23,920
the pleasures

5685
03:39:30,790 --> 03:39:28,640
yeah yeah so so let's take it over to

5686
03:39:32,150 --> 03:39:30,800
dave or christian what do you guys want

5687
03:39:34,630 --> 03:39:32,160
to

5688
03:39:37,429 --> 03:39:34,640
say about it all or anything end uap

5689
03:39:41,269 --> 03:39:37,439
secrecy let's do it

5690
03:39:43,110 --> 03:39:41,279
i i have um i have written down

5691
03:39:45,750 --> 03:39:43,120
a small thing

5692
03:39:48,870 --> 03:39:45,760
that i call

5693
03:39:56,469 --> 03:39:52,309
from las vegas to dc

5694
03:39:59,030 --> 03:39:56,479
and it's a kind of a story about uh

5695
03:40:00,790 --> 03:39:59,040
where where we are right now

5696
03:40:05,429 --> 03:40:00,800
cool um

5697
03:40:07,349 --> 03:40:05,439
and it's all all start in las vegas

5698
03:40:09,349 --> 03:40:07,359
98

5699
03:40:10,469 --> 03:40:09,359
with john lear

5700
03:40:12,229 --> 03:40:10,479
cia

5701
03:40:13,590 --> 03:40:12,239
pilot

5702
03:40:17,429 --> 03:40:13,600
and

5703
03:40:18,630 --> 03:40:17,439
him taking a a photograph the first

5704
03:40:20,870 --> 03:40:18,640
photograph

5705
03:40:25,429 --> 03:40:20,880
of area 51

5706
03:40:29,349 --> 03:40:25,439
and even a stealth fighter on the runway

5707
03:40:31,269 --> 03:40:29,359
and he get famous for this in las vegas

5708
03:40:32,710 --> 03:40:31,279
goes to

5709
03:40:35,110 --> 03:40:32,720
k

5710
03:40:37,110 --> 03:40:35,120
l s t v

5711
03:40:39,590 --> 03:40:37,120
the the place where

5712
03:40:43,990 --> 03:40:39,600
george snap is working

5713
03:40:47,910 --> 03:40:45,670
goes to

5714
03:40:50,790 --> 03:40:47,920
the the former uh

5715
03:40:53,750 --> 03:40:50,800
joe snap bosch and with with this

5716
03:40:59,189 --> 03:40:53,760
photograph and he

5717
03:41:01,670 --> 03:40:59,199
said sets himself up as a form of

5718
03:41:05,830 --> 03:41:01,680
something is going on

5719
03:41:08,550 --> 03:41:05,840
in area 51. he he actually put

5720
03:41:13,030 --> 03:41:08,560
area 51 on the map

5721
03:41:16,870 --> 03:41:13,040
in in las vegas it was not known uh

5722
03:41:17,990 --> 03:41:16,880
before the 90s in in the world but

5723
03:41:19,830 --> 03:41:18,000
um

5724
03:41:21,590 --> 03:41:19,840
he he goes

5725
03:41:26,550 --> 03:41:21,600
and

5726
03:41:27,269 --> 03:41:26,560
uh make some contacts with with this um

5727
03:41:34,790 --> 03:41:27,279
k

5728
03:41:41,269 --> 03:41:34,800
a

5729
03:41:43,910 --> 03:41:41,279
wild

5730
03:41:46,150 --> 03:41:43,920
people are loving this show

5731
03:41:49,590 --> 03:41:46,160
and then

5732
03:41:51,349 --> 03:41:50,469
has

5733
03:42:06,950 --> 03:41:51,359
a

5734
03:42:10,550 --> 03:42:06,960
who's with

5735
03:42:13,189 --> 03:42:10,560
gene huffle it's bob lazar

5736
03:42:17,030 --> 03:42:13,199
and um

5737
03:42:19,110 --> 03:42:17,040
bob lazar is is measuring the house and

5738
03:42:22,309 --> 03:42:19,120
and they are

5739
03:42:23,670 --> 03:42:22,319
putting down notes and all that

5740
03:42:34,710 --> 03:42:23,680
and

5741
03:42:36,150 --> 03:42:34,720
espoused maybe there's ufos some aliens

5742
03:42:38,710 --> 03:42:36,160
on the base

5743
03:42:40,150 --> 03:42:38,720
and bubble assad just say

5744
03:42:41,269 --> 03:42:40,160
you are

5745
03:42:43,429 --> 03:42:41,279
pretty

5746
03:42:46,070 --> 03:42:43,439
wild on this story

5747
03:42:47,110 --> 03:42:46,080
if there should be anything i should

5748
03:42:50,550 --> 03:42:47,120
know

5749
03:42:53,590 --> 03:42:50,560
i have worked in places

5750
03:42:56,229 --> 03:42:53,600
where where nobody uh

5751
03:42:57,429 --> 03:42:56,239
shouldn't know what's going on at area

5752
03:43:00,389 --> 03:42:57,439
fifth one

5753
03:43:00,399 --> 03:43:03,189
then

5754
03:43:07,670 --> 03:43:06,389
he actually says i want to know but

5755
03:43:09,269 --> 03:43:07,680
pablo

5756
03:43:11,269 --> 03:43:09,279
says he want to know

5757
03:43:12,150 --> 03:43:11,279
and he

5758
03:43:13,429 --> 03:43:12,160
knew

5759
03:43:14,550 --> 03:43:13,439
uh

5760
03:43:15,510 --> 03:43:14,560
taylor

5761
03:43:18,830 --> 03:43:15,520
uh

5762
03:43:22,950 --> 03:43:18,840
dr taylor from from

5763
03:43:26,070 --> 03:43:22,960
um because of i'm telling you all this

5764
03:43:27,030 --> 03:43:26,080
is because i'm leading up to th the

5765
03:43:30,710 --> 03:43:27,040
certain

5766
03:43:32,150 --> 03:43:30,720
persons who's in the story

5767
03:43:35,750 --> 03:43:32,160
um

5768
03:43:37,349 --> 03:43:35,760
teller

5769
03:43:39,910 --> 03:43:37,359
as it goes

5770
03:43:43,890 --> 03:43:39,920
makes some phone calls and

5771
03:43:45,110 --> 03:43:43,900
and bob lazar is working at s4 um

5772
03:43:49,750 --> 03:43:45,120
[Music]

5773
03:43:54,870 --> 03:43:51,429
um

5774
03:43:58,309 --> 03:43:54,880
publisher comes to john leah's house and

5775
03:44:00,710 --> 03:43:58,319
tells him you're right there is ufos but

5776
03:44:02,950 --> 03:44:00,720
it's not an area 51 it's

5777
03:44:06,150 --> 03:44:02,960
s4

5778
03:44:06,950 --> 03:44:06,160
to just beat it a little up um

5779
03:44:10,389 --> 03:44:06,960
then

5780
03:44:13,269 --> 03:44:10,399
uh john lee deenhoff bubblesaar and

5781
03:44:16,309 --> 03:44:13,279
bob's wife goes out to

5782
03:44:18,070 --> 03:44:16,319
what they call fishing trips

5783
03:44:19,429 --> 03:44:18,080
that is

5784
03:44:23,110 --> 03:44:19,439
south of

5785
03:44:25,590 --> 03:44:23,120
area 51 where they see a lot of lights

5786
03:44:27,910 --> 03:44:25,600
in the sky in 89

5787
03:44:28,950 --> 03:44:27,920
at film it and

5788
03:44:31,750 --> 03:44:28,960
they

5789
03:44:33,830 --> 03:44:31,760
the lights are bouncing all over the

5790
03:44:34,790 --> 03:44:33,840
place

5791
03:44:38,710 --> 03:44:34,800
and

5792
03:44:42,389 --> 03:44:38,720
they actually got caught out there

5793
03:44:44,469 --> 03:44:42,399
bob lazar as wife

5794
03:44:45,590 --> 03:44:44,479
is having an

5795
03:44:48,229 --> 03:44:45,600
affair

5796
03:44:49,910 --> 03:44:48,239
with her flight instructor

5797
03:44:53,030 --> 03:44:49,920
and

5798
03:44:55,030 --> 03:44:53,040
bob lazar is getting noticed from

5799
03:44:57,030 --> 03:44:55,040
security at the base

5800
03:44:59,429 --> 03:44:57,040
as the story goes

5801
03:45:02,309 --> 03:44:59,439
and he is unstable

5802
03:45:07,670 --> 03:45:04,309
bob lazar is

5803
03:45:13,429 --> 03:45:09,750
kind of

5804
03:45:14,630 --> 03:45:13,439
is threatened because he's he's telling

5805
03:45:18,150 --> 03:45:14,640
everybo

5806
03:45:22,070 --> 03:45:18,160
some of his friends about s4

5807
03:45:23,110 --> 03:45:22,080
and his boss dennis as it goes

5808
03:45:28,630 --> 03:45:23,120
and

5809
03:45:32,070 --> 03:45:28,640
kind of a fight

5810
03:45:33,510 --> 03:45:32,080
publisher even says he he maybe has been

5811
03:45:36,150 --> 03:45:33,520
shot at

5812
03:45:43,349 --> 03:45:41,030
uh bob lazar goes to uh joe snap

5813
03:45:45,670 --> 03:45:43,359
and now the the

5814
03:45:47,590 --> 03:45:45,680
the wheels are really turning now

5815
03:45:48,790 --> 03:45:47,600
because george snap

5816
03:45:58,550 --> 03:45:48,800
is

5817
03:46:01,189 --> 03:45:59,349
as

5818
03:46:04,950 --> 03:46:01,199
a pseudo name

5819
03:46:09,269 --> 03:46:04,960
at dennis that were his boss

5820
03:46:13,269 --> 03:46:10,070
and

5821
03:46:14,550 --> 03:46:13,279
when they had done this interview

5822
03:46:15,590 --> 03:46:14,560
george snapp

5823
03:46:19,670 --> 03:46:15,600
went

5824
03:46:21,269 --> 03:46:19,680
all over to find out if bob lazar

5825
03:46:24,870 --> 03:46:21,279
was the real deal

5826
03:46:26,070 --> 03:46:24,880
they actually went to los alamos pablo

5827
03:46:27,030 --> 03:46:26,080
lazar

5828
03:46:29,910 --> 03:46:27,040
as

5829
03:46:32,229 --> 03:46:29,920
joe snap stated went in

5830
03:46:34,070 --> 03:46:32,239
he just passed the gate

5831
03:46:36,550 --> 03:46:34,080
with the security

5832
03:46:39,269 --> 03:46:36,560
and they went around and

5833
03:46:41,750 --> 03:46:39,279
i i i love to see this movie because i

5834
03:46:42,870 --> 03:46:41,760
know there's a movie where they go all

5835
03:46:45,590 --> 03:46:42,880
around

5836
03:46:47,030 --> 03:46:45,600
uh los alamos

5837
03:46:48,830 --> 03:46:47,040
um

5838
03:46:53,429 --> 03:46:48,840
then joe

5839
03:46:56,790 --> 03:46:53,439
snap does even more investigation on

5840
03:46:59,189 --> 03:46:56,800
on bob lazar he goes to

5841
03:47:00,630 --> 03:46:59,199
senator james

5842
03:47:05,510 --> 03:47:00,640
brillbraid

5843
03:47:09,110 --> 03:47:05,520
i i hope i pronounce it right and it

5844
03:47:09,990 --> 03:47:09,120
this senator is asking for bob lazar's

5845
03:47:11,990 --> 03:47:10,000
file

5846
03:47:15,830 --> 03:47:12,000
but

5847
03:47:18,950 --> 03:47:15,840
he's come out blank because he will not

5848
03:47:21,510 --> 03:47:18,960
get access to anything related to bob

5849
03:47:25,750 --> 03:47:21,520
lazar

5850
03:47:27,269 --> 03:47:25,760
then george knapp goes to senator harry

5851
03:47:30,070 --> 03:47:27,279
reid

5852
03:47:31,269 --> 03:47:30,080
and makes a lot of

5853
03:47:35,030 --> 03:47:31,279
trips

5854
03:47:38,870 --> 03:47:35,040
from and to the airport in las vegas uh

5855
03:47:40,070 --> 03:47:38,880
when harry reid are in in las vegas

5856
03:47:41,830 --> 03:47:40,080
um

5857
03:47:43,269 --> 03:47:41,840
and and then

5858
03:47:46,550 --> 03:47:43,279
um

5859
03:47:50,150 --> 03:47:46,560
as we all know

5860
03:47:54,870 --> 03:47:50,160
senator harry reid is forming atip with

5861
03:47:54,880 --> 03:47:58,830
and then

5862
03:48:02,630 --> 03:48:01,110
we we

5863
03:48:05,269 --> 03:48:02,640
go on to

5864
03:48:06,150 --> 03:48:05,279
um the three videos

5865
03:48:08,070 --> 03:48:06,160
with

5866
03:48:09,670 --> 03:48:08,080
ttsa

5867
03:48:12,710 --> 03:48:09,680
because

5868
03:48:19,830 --> 03:48:16,550
luis elisando was hired

5869
03:48:23,110 --> 03:48:19,840
you as you all know in to be a

5870
03:48:23,990 --> 03:48:23,120
director for atep

5871
03:48:27,189 --> 03:48:24,000
um

5872
03:48:31,510 --> 03:48:28,950
and

5873
03:48:33,189 --> 03:48:31,520
i believe that

5874
03:48:35,910 --> 03:48:33,199
like george knapp

5875
03:48:38,469 --> 03:48:35,920
louis alessandro get a little mad and

5876
03:48:41,110 --> 03:48:38,479
chris a melon too

5877
03:48:44,469 --> 03:48:41,120
that they couldn't get access

5878
03:48:46,070 --> 03:48:44,479
to any information with atep

5879
03:48:48,389 --> 03:48:46,080
and even

5880
03:48:50,389 --> 03:48:48,399
i know that

5881
03:48:53,910 --> 03:48:50,399
piccolo

5882
03:48:57,189 --> 03:48:53,920
were really deep into and get briefed on

5883
03:49:01,269 --> 03:48:57,199
what they had in ad information at atip

5884
03:49:09,349 --> 03:49:02,950
and

5885
03:49:11,030 --> 03:49:09,359
pressed for the three videos

5886
03:49:13,189 --> 03:49:11,040
and uh

5887
03:49:14,389 --> 03:49:13,199
josneth went to

5888
03:49:18,630 --> 03:49:14,399
uh

5889
03:49:20,229 --> 03:49:19,510
and

5890
03:49:21,750 --> 03:49:20,239
they

5891
03:49:26,309 --> 03:49:21,760
he were told

5892
03:49:29,750 --> 03:49:26,319
you can't get the story we we want the

5893
03:49:31,510 --> 03:49:29,760
new york times to get the story and then

5894
03:49:35,349 --> 03:49:31,520
is where

5895
03:49:39,750 --> 03:49:36,830
leslie come

5896
03:49:41,349 --> 03:49:39,760
in and

5897
03:49:43,590 --> 03:49:41,359
then

5898
03:49:47,110 --> 03:49:43,600
yeah it's it's maybe

5899
03:49:47,910 --> 03:49:47,120
a kind of going a little further then we

5900
03:49:49,670 --> 03:49:47,920
see

5901
03:49:52,469 --> 03:49:49,680
mike warner

5902
03:49:55,750 --> 03:49:52,479
come and and speak to

5903
03:49:56,630 --> 03:49:55,760
the press about the briefings that they

5904
03:49:59,189 --> 03:49:56,640
had

5905
03:50:00,790 --> 03:49:59,199
with uh fravor and

5906
03:50:05,349 --> 03:50:00,800
um

5907
03:50:07,349 --> 03:50:05,359
i i maybe think the alice dietrich were

5908
03:50:10,550 --> 03:50:07,359
dc also

5909
03:50:11,990 --> 03:50:10,560
and they were really impressed by it

5910
03:50:12,870 --> 03:50:12,000
and

5911
03:50:13,830 --> 03:50:12,880
then

5912
03:50:21,110 --> 03:50:13,840
we

5913
03:50:24,150 --> 03:50:21,120
testimony from david frava coming out

5914
03:50:26,469 --> 03:50:24,160
and later alex dietrich

5915
03:50:33,670 --> 03:50:29,670
then we have this

5916
03:50:36,550 --> 03:50:33,680
online media show that goes around

5917
03:50:38,790 --> 03:50:36,560
benny's starting up

5918
03:50:41,670 --> 03:50:38,800
and

5919
03:50:44,469 --> 03:50:41,680
the big phone home starts up

5920
03:50:45,510 --> 03:50:44,479
with with the unidentified celebrity

5921
03:50:47,750 --> 03:50:45,520
review

5922
03:50:49,510 --> 03:50:47,760
with louis

5923
03:50:51,990 --> 03:50:49,520
and that

5924
03:50:52,950 --> 03:50:52,000
really keeps the

5925
03:50:56,710 --> 03:50:52,960
role

5926
03:50:57,750 --> 03:50:56,720
uh the the ball rolling and then we we

5927
03:50:59,830 --> 03:50:57,760
have

5928
03:51:03,269 --> 03:50:59,840
a statement from

5929
03:51:05,830 --> 03:51:03,279
john um radcra 12

5930
03:51:07,510 --> 03:51:05,840
a former odni

5931
03:51:08,389 --> 03:51:07,520
chief

5932
03:51:09,429 --> 03:51:08,399
and

5933
03:51:11,429 --> 03:51:09,439
now

5934
03:51:13,110 --> 03:51:11,439
senator

5935
03:51:13,990 --> 03:51:13,120
gillibrand

5936
03:51:16,950 --> 03:51:14,000
has

5937
03:51:20,229 --> 03:51:16,960
made this um

5938
03:51:22,469 --> 03:51:20,239
yeah the the bill awesome

5939
03:51:23,269 --> 03:51:22,479
super cool

5940
03:51:27,830 --> 03:51:23,279
yeah

5941
03:51:29,750 --> 03:51:27,840
people could follow

5942
03:51:31,429 --> 03:51:29,760
yeah well it's not an easy test putting

5943
03:51:34,229 --> 03:51:31,439
that timeline together that's for sure

5944
03:51:36,469 --> 03:51:34,239
and by the way uh that's representing

5945
03:51:39,110 --> 03:51:36,479
denmark right there which is very

5946
03:51:40,630 --> 03:51:39,120
awesome that's adding to our worldwide

5947
03:51:42,630 --> 03:51:40,640
global effort here

5948
03:51:45,510 --> 03:51:42,640
i hope you can understand my

5949
03:51:47,990 --> 03:51:45,520
bad english i didn't know it's so good

5950
03:51:50,150 --> 03:51:48,000
so good oh it's great absolutely it's

5951
03:51:51,590 --> 03:51:50,160
better than one thing

5952
03:51:53,910 --> 03:51:51,600
one thing i got from that is the

5953
03:51:55,110 --> 03:51:53,920
emphasis

5954
03:51:57,110 --> 03:51:55,120
one thing i got from that was the

5955
03:51:58,710 --> 03:51:57,120
emphasis on bigelow and you're talking

5956
03:52:00,630 --> 03:51:58,720
about a tip and the lack of information

5957
03:52:02,150 --> 03:52:00,640
for lou and people like that is that

5958
03:52:04,389 --> 03:52:02,160
we've come to realize recently that

5959
03:52:07,510 --> 03:52:04,399
orsap were the ones that got the funding

5960
03:52:09,990 --> 03:52:07,520
and bigelow and bass and

5961
03:52:13,030 --> 03:52:10,000
it seems fairly clear that there are

5962
03:52:14,710 --> 03:52:13,040
there is a lot of data within bass

5963
03:52:16,309 --> 03:52:14,720
that's still hidden away that bigelow

5964
03:52:19,110 --> 03:52:16,319
may have acts you know that may have

5965
03:52:20,469 --> 03:52:19,120
hidden away this database that we've

5966
03:52:22,870 --> 03:52:20,479
heard from

5967
03:52:23,670 --> 03:52:22,880
column kelleher and and and that that

5968
03:52:25,910 --> 03:52:23,680
you know

5969
03:52:27,590 --> 03:52:25,920
might have some super ground breaking

5970
03:52:28,870 --> 03:52:27,600
information in you know

5971
03:52:31,830 --> 03:52:28,880
um

5972
03:52:35,750 --> 03:52:31,840
i will just get a shout out to to george

5973
03:52:37,990 --> 03:52:35,760
snap and and mr wheelwire if if

5974
03:52:41,349 --> 03:52:38,000
people haven't gone to that youtube

5975
03:52:42,870 --> 03:52:41,359
channel mr rewire go and check out all

5976
03:52:45,590 --> 03:52:42,880
of it

5977
03:52:47,349 --> 03:52:45,600
all of what i've just been telling you

5978
03:52:50,150 --> 03:52:47,359
is in there

5979
03:52:53,269 --> 03:52:50,160
yeah he's been uh

5980
03:52:55,990 --> 03:52:53,279
an investigative reporter on top of this

5981
03:52:58,469 --> 03:52:56,000
from just about the the start you know

5982
03:52:59,349 --> 03:52:58,479
as a start as he could be and he's you

5983
03:53:02,309 --> 03:52:59,359
know

5984
03:53:05,510 --> 03:53:02,319
the reason that senator reid met mr

5985
03:53:09,110 --> 03:53:05,520
bigelow and things got started there um

5986
03:53:11,349 --> 03:53:09,120
dave i wanted to ask you um you've been

5987
03:53:13,349 --> 03:53:11,359
putting together such amazing

5988
03:53:15,910 --> 03:53:13,359
uh magazines

5989
03:53:17,510 --> 03:53:15,920
which uh this day and age is near

5990
03:53:19,429 --> 03:53:17,520
impossible to

5991
03:53:21,429 --> 03:53:19,439
to do right but you found a way to

5992
03:53:24,070 --> 03:53:21,439
really make it beautiful and have an

5993
03:53:27,510 --> 03:53:24,080
online platform like that tell me a

5994
03:53:29,670 --> 03:53:27,520
little bit about your last uh magazine

5995
03:53:31,269 --> 03:53:29,680
and what you plan on doing

5996
03:53:33,590 --> 03:53:31,279
next

5997
03:53:35,990 --> 03:53:33,600
the last issue or the last mag

5998
03:53:39,030 --> 03:53:36,000
the last issue all right yeah the women

5999
03:53:41,429 --> 03:53:39,040
of ufology issue yeah yeah

6000
03:53:44,630 --> 03:53:41,439
um well yeah it's just edited by chase

6001
03:53:47,590 --> 03:53:44,640
koletsky um spokeswoman back in april i

6002
03:53:49,349 --> 03:53:47,600
think possibly even before that um just

6003
03:53:51,349 --> 03:53:49,359
through the idea out you know made your

6004
03:53:52,710 --> 03:53:51,359
fancy guest edits in the mag because

6005
03:53:54,309 --> 03:53:52,720
you're

6006
03:53:56,070 --> 03:53:54,319
you know you seem perfect for a feature

6007
03:53:58,389 --> 03:53:56,080
that i got lined up

6008
03:54:00,229 --> 03:53:58,399
which was just you know celebrating the

6009
03:54:01,510 --> 03:54:00,239
pioneer and female researchers of

6010
03:54:02,830 --> 03:54:01,520
ufology

6011
03:54:05,670 --> 03:54:02,840
um went

6012
03:54:08,150 --> 03:54:05,680
back um as far as i could

6013
03:54:11,030 --> 03:54:08,160
tell was probably carl lorenzon

6014
03:54:13,990 --> 03:54:11,040
who started the apro civilian research

6015
03:54:16,950 --> 03:54:14,000
i've been reading in the 50s yeah

6016
03:54:18,710 --> 03:54:16,960
yeah there she is

6017
03:54:21,870 --> 03:54:18,720
but you also had people like and rafael

6018
03:54:25,510 --> 03:54:21,880
who was working for nightcap at the time

6019
03:54:27,429 --> 03:54:25,520
[Laughter]

6020
03:54:30,710 --> 03:54:27,439
yeah i think everyone's got at least one

6021
03:54:34,630 --> 03:54:32,710
yeah but going through it you know it's

6022
03:54:35,670 --> 03:54:34,640
um

6023
03:54:37,510 --> 03:54:35,680
you know i tried to do it in a

6024
03:54:39,990 --> 03:54:37,520
chronological order as i was writing the

6025
03:54:42,150 --> 03:54:40,000
future um

6026
03:54:44,790 --> 03:54:42,160
and just seeing the number of people the

6027
03:54:46,389 --> 03:54:44,800
number of female researchers that helped

6028
03:54:49,510 --> 03:54:46,399
kind of like the people that we look up

6029
03:54:52,309 --> 03:54:49,520
to so you know john keel had mary hire

6030
03:54:54,229 --> 03:54:52,319
who did some phenomenal work during the

6031
03:54:56,790 --> 03:54:54,239
mothman um

6032
03:54:57,910 --> 03:54:56,800
you know investigations back in 66 67

6033
03:55:00,469 --> 03:54:57,920
written

6034
03:55:02,710 --> 03:55:00,479
you know point pleasant west virginia

6035
03:55:04,469 --> 03:55:02,720
um and then moving on you had like you

6036
03:55:06,710 --> 03:55:04,479
know linda moulton how

6037
03:55:10,229 --> 03:55:06,720
um then you kind of got the uk

6038
03:55:12,150 --> 03:55:10,239
researchers don't really get a mention

6039
03:55:13,830 --> 03:55:12,160
um when it comes to

6040
03:55:16,309 --> 03:55:13,840
talking about the female researchers but

6041
03:55:18,630 --> 03:55:16,319
you had people like jenny randles

6042
03:55:20,309 --> 03:55:18,640
yeah georgina bruni you know she wrote

6043
03:55:22,389 --> 03:55:20,319
probably one of the definitive books on

6044
03:55:25,110 --> 03:55:22,399
randall shim

6045
03:55:26,630 --> 03:55:25,120
uh back in the 90s and she was

6046
03:55:29,349 --> 03:55:26,640
you know the story always goes that she

6047
03:55:30,469 --> 03:55:29,359
was told by then prime minister margaret

6048
03:55:33,030 --> 03:55:30,479
thatcher that

6049
03:55:34,710 --> 03:55:33,040
in relation to the ufo phenomena

6050
03:55:36,710 --> 03:55:34,720
you can't tell the people which became

6051
03:55:38,469 --> 03:55:36,720
the title of a book

6052
03:55:40,830 --> 03:55:38,479
but i just wanted to like

6053
03:55:43,189 --> 03:55:40,840
have people acknowledge

6054
03:55:46,309 --> 03:55:43,199
um you know some of the people that we

6055
03:55:48,070 --> 03:55:46,319
all know as well yeah

6056
03:55:49,030 --> 03:55:48,080
there's an interesting story in there

6057
03:55:51,750 --> 03:55:49,040
what

6058
03:55:53,189 --> 03:55:51,760
it was about uh was it the queen or

6059
03:55:55,830 --> 03:55:53,199
something that said you can't tell the

6060
03:55:58,309 --> 03:55:55,840
people no that was thatcher it was their

6061
03:56:01,830 --> 03:55:58,319
chair okay yeah that's true

6062
03:56:05,750 --> 03:56:03,269
yeah once you looked on fondly and the

6063
03:56:07,670 --> 03:56:05,760
other ones not

6064
03:56:10,870 --> 03:56:07,680
yeah

6065
03:56:13,349 --> 03:56:10,880
the issues you know

6066
03:56:14,630 --> 03:56:13,359
yeah aside from that there was um an

6067
03:56:17,830 --> 03:56:14,640
interview with george knapp and colin

6068
03:56:19,830 --> 03:56:17,840
kelleher regarding osap and bass and um

6069
03:56:20,870 --> 03:56:19,840
you know the bigelow years as we call

6070
03:56:24,469 --> 03:56:20,880
them

6071
03:56:29,030 --> 03:56:27,750
as well there was um

6072
03:56:33,189 --> 03:56:29,040
you know i worked on it for so long i

6073
03:56:45,349 --> 03:56:34,550
because it's epic it's because there's

6074
03:56:49,590 --> 03:56:47,590
uh well you know um

6075
03:56:52,550 --> 03:56:49,600
the only way i can relate to that there

6076
03:56:54,309 --> 03:56:52,560
is like songs and writing too many songs

6077
03:56:55,910 --> 03:56:54,319
and releasing too many

6078
03:56:58,070 --> 03:56:55,920
i don't really remember how to play

6079
03:57:00,309 --> 03:56:58,080
pretty much any of them

6080
03:57:02,550 --> 03:57:00,319
to be quite honest with you

6081
03:57:04,469 --> 03:57:02,560
um and it's probably kind of the same

6082
03:57:06,950 --> 03:57:04,479
but i wonder like

6083
03:57:08,710 --> 03:57:06,960
when you're writing um and you have to

6084
03:57:11,030 --> 03:57:08,720
write so much like

6085
03:57:14,229 --> 03:57:11,040
what do you think it is that inspires

6086
03:57:17,030 --> 03:57:14,239
you and keeps you going and keeps you up

6087
03:57:18,550 --> 03:57:17,040
late you know to finish or

6088
03:57:20,469 --> 03:57:18,560
you know gives you the inspiration for

6089
03:57:22,229 --> 03:57:20,479
your topics or ideas

6090
03:57:23,750 --> 03:57:22,239
heavy metal

6091
03:57:25,830 --> 03:57:23,760
awesome

6092
03:57:27,269 --> 03:57:25,840
nothing to do with the ufos

6093
03:57:29,349 --> 03:57:27,279
and that will gets me through it you

6094
03:57:30,870 --> 03:57:29,359
know yeah

6095
03:57:32,389 --> 03:57:30,880
you know it's um it's people like

6096
03:57:36,229 --> 03:57:32,399
yourself shawn is you know it's vinnie

6097
03:57:41,910 --> 03:57:38,870
you know it's like dolan grant cameron

6098
03:57:43,670 --> 03:57:41,920
um linda molten how chase it's just all

6099
03:57:46,070 --> 03:57:43,680
these different

6100
03:57:48,550 --> 03:57:46,080
um researchers and

6101
03:57:50,229 --> 03:57:48,560
you know investigators have

6102
03:57:51,910 --> 03:57:50,239
put all the groundwork in and written

6103
03:57:53,590 --> 03:57:51,920
the books and

6104
03:57:56,790 --> 03:57:53,600
done the documentaries doing the

6105
03:57:58,229 --> 03:57:56,800
podcasts um you know everybody is an

6106
03:58:00,870 --> 03:57:58,239
inspiration

6107
03:58:01,990 --> 03:58:00,880
and that's how you get some of this um

6108
03:58:03,189 --> 03:58:02,000
some of this rubbish you're seeing in

6109
03:58:05,510 --> 03:58:03,199
front of you now

6110
03:58:06,950 --> 03:58:05,520
yeah well as long as i'm the main

6111
03:58:09,269 --> 03:58:06,960
inspiration i don't care if you have a

6112
03:58:11,030 --> 03:58:09,279
lot of inspiration

6113
03:58:14,830 --> 03:58:11,040
i've just posted a link a link to this

6114
03:58:19,830 --> 03:58:18,309
sure hopefully next issue um we'll have

6115
03:58:21,670 --> 03:58:19,840
you good self sean

6116
03:58:23,670 --> 03:58:21,680
um vinny as well

6117
03:58:25,750 --> 03:58:23,680
all things being good

6118
03:58:28,309 --> 03:58:25,760
um that ufo podcast will be in there

6119
03:58:29,510 --> 03:58:28,319
with you know andy and and dan will be

6120
03:58:31,830 --> 03:58:29,520
in there

6121
03:58:33,830 --> 03:58:31,840
and there's

6122
03:58:34,550 --> 03:58:33,840
a few others i'm working on which you

6123
03:58:36,550 --> 03:58:34,560
know

6124
03:58:39,590 --> 03:58:36,560
i'm going to keep quiet for now

6125
03:58:40,790 --> 03:58:39,600
oh come on spill the bees

6126
03:58:41,990 --> 03:58:40,800
come

6127
03:58:45,030 --> 03:58:42,000
[\h__\h]

6128
03:58:47,830 --> 03:58:45,040
don't want to get scooped

6129
03:58:49,990 --> 03:58:47,840
i do this whole thing eight hours and

6130
03:58:52,389 --> 03:58:50,000
you can't even give me a scoop of beans

6131
03:58:54,550 --> 03:58:52,399
no this interviews promised but not

6132
03:58:55,750 --> 03:58:54,560
confirmed so until they are we're not

6133
03:58:58,790 --> 03:58:55,760
gonna do it

6134
03:59:00,150 --> 03:58:58,800
i confirmed it's all good yeah

6135
03:59:01,429 --> 03:59:00,160
we've got vinnie and max doing like a

6136
03:59:06,229 --> 03:59:01,439
party boy

6137
03:59:13,670 --> 03:59:08,870
yeah you'll have max with his shirt off

6138
03:59:16,389 --> 03:59:15,189
happy birthday to him by the way it's

6139
03:59:18,790 --> 03:59:16,399
his birthday

6140
03:59:19,670 --> 03:59:18,800
well where what

6141
03:59:21,110 --> 03:59:19,680
quiet

6142
03:59:22,950 --> 03:59:21,120
yeah so

6143
03:59:25,590 --> 03:59:22,960
well thanks guys

6144
03:59:27,750 --> 03:59:25,600
i appreciate you guys uh hanging out

6145
03:59:29,830 --> 03:59:27,760
and doing this uh

6146
03:59:30,870 --> 03:59:29,840
christian dave you guys are the best so

6147
03:59:33,510 --> 03:59:30,880
and

6148
03:59:38,309 --> 03:59:33,520
if anybody out there want uh any

6149
03:59:49,429 --> 03:59:38,319
information about ufos go to uf pdb

6150
03:59:53,670 --> 03:59:51,110
dude dave i can't wait to have you back

6151
03:59:56,070 --> 03:59:53,680
christian um we'll we'll have you back

6152
03:59:57,670 --> 03:59:56,080
dave we'll talk about um you know i'd

6153
03:59:59,590 --> 03:59:57,680
love to go more in depth with with your

6154
04:00:01,269 --> 03:59:59,600
last uh meg so

6155
04:00:02,309 --> 04:00:01,279
yeah yeah just hit me up

6156
04:00:05,349 --> 04:00:02,319
all right

6157
04:00:08,309 --> 04:00:05,359
good night

6158
04:00:11,990 --> 04:00:08,319
cheers guys bye christian

6159
04:00:13,670 --> 04:00:12,000
ah awesome guys man absolutely awesome

6160
04:00:18,710 --> 04:00:13,680
yeah did you notice how he said i was

6161
04:00:22,469 --> 04:00:20,389
i was funny

6162
04:00:26,630 --> 04:00:22,479
i noticed we've got a 99p uh super

6163
04:00:30,389 --> 04:00:26,640
sticker here from oh look we did

6164
04:00:35,030 --> 04:00:32,630
yeah well i can't see it oh here it is

6165
04:00:36,790 --> 04:00:35,040
bam look at this guy

6166
04:00:37,910 --> 04:00:36,800
i just want to prompt everybody to say

6167
04:00:39,990 --> 04:00:37,920
look

6168
04:00:42,550 --> 04:00:40,000
all donations on that tonight will go

6169
04:00:44,229 --> 04:00:42,560
towards the galileo project so please if

6170
04:00:45,830 --> 04:00:44,239
you can spare anything it's all for a

6171
04:00:48,070 --> 04:00:45,840
good cause we're doing this eight hour

6172
04:00:54,950 --> 04:00:48,080
stream we could have made a lot of money

6173
04:00:59,110 --> 04:00:57,189
seriously anybody that wants to donate

6174
04:01:00,309 --> 04:00:59,120
you know for because we talk a lot about

6175
04:01:01,349 --> 04:01:00,319
the government and the gila brand

6176
04:01:03,429 --> 04:01:01,359
amendment and everything that's

6177
04:01:06,070 --> 04:01:03,439
happening but we still have these

6178
04:01:08,790 --> 04:01:06,080
entities these other entities like the

6179
04:01:10,150 --> 04:01:08,800
galileo project uapx and all these other

6180
04:01:12,309 --> 04:01:10,160
people who

6181
04:01:13,990 --> 04:01:12,319
may well be the ones that

6182
04:01:16,150 --> 04:01:14,000
help us break disclosure from the other

6183
04:01:18,229 --> 04:01:16,160
side so we want to donate to those

6184
04:01:20,389 --> 04:01:18,239
efforts as well we want to help those

6185
04:01:22,229 --> 04:01:20,399
people and we know some of those people

6186
04:01:25,429 --> 04:01:22,239
you know as friends

6187
04:01:27,750 --> 04:01:25,439
you know yeah abby loeb sean has spoken

6188
04:01:30,150 --> 04:01:27,760
to avilab i've had the privilege of

6189
04:01:32,469 --> 04:01:30,160
having a short conversation with him and

6190
04:01:34,150 --> 04:01:32,479
gary voorhees and the guys at uapx you

6191
04:01:36,870 --> 04:01:34,160
know these are our friends these are all

6192
04:01:40,150 --> 04:01:36,880
part of this community that is us on

6193
04:01:41,830 --> 04:01:40,160
screen you guys in the chat so you know

6194
04:01:43,590 --> 04:01:41,840
let's do it together so anything you can

6195
04:01:47,590 --> 04:01:43,600
spare will go towards

6196
04:01:50,309 --> 04:01:47,600
the right causes so yeah it will and you

6197
04:01:52,229 --> 04:01:50,319
know um i wanted to do this

6198
04:01:54,150 --> 04:01:52,239
because it it's easy to put something

6199
04:01:56,790 --> 04:01:54,160
like this together and um

6200
04:02:00,389 --> 04:01:56,800
you know try to reap rewards or

6201
04:02:02,790 --> 04:02:00,399
financial benefit for myself and um it's

6202
04:02:06,630 --> 04:02:02,800
not like uh i'm rich i could definitely

6203
04:02:08,389 --> 04:02:06,640
use the cash flow but this but this um

6204
04:02:11,990 --> 04:02:08,399
this topic in

6205
04:02:14,150 --> 04:02:12,000
in in this like it's it's not about me

6206
04:02:16,389 --> 04:02:14,160
and it's not about like you as an

6207
04:02:18,950 --> 04:02:16,399
individual this this is a bigger picture

6208
04:02:21,110 --> 04:02:18,960
thing you know and if somebody has the

6209
04:02:24,150 --> 04:02:21,120
wherewithal to to you know take us

6210
04:02:26,389 --> 04:02:24,160
farther in this on a citizen private

6211
04:02:28,550 --> 04:02:26,399
citizen basis um i'm all about

6212
04:02:30,309 --> 04:02:28,560
supporting that so because the

6213
04:02:33,269 --> 04:02:30,319
government has definitely put us in the

6214
04:02:35,510 --> 04:02:33,279
trash can and thrown us out a lot so if

6215
04:02:37,110 --> 04:02:35,520
we can usurp them with our own activity

6216
04:02:41,030 --> 04:02:37,120
uh i'm down

6217
04:02:44,469 --> 04:02:41,040
so with that being said we got some new

6218
04:02:46,870 --> 04:02:45,189
so

6219
04:02:49,349 --> 04:02:46,880
um

6220
04:02:53,110 --> 04:02:49,359
i guess i didn't realize exactly how big

6221
04:02:54,070 --> 04:02:53,120
uh calling all beings was but there's

6222
04:02:58,630 --> 04:02:54,080
love

6223
04:03:01,189 --> 04:02:59,990
hold on

6224
04:03:02,950 --> 04:03:01,199
hey nathan

6225
04:03:06,309 --> 04:03:02,960
what's up what's up guys what's up

6226
04:03:08,389 --> 04:03:06,319
nathan how are you all

6227
04:03:08,720 --> 04:03:08,399
good to see you yep there we go number

6228
04:03:11,750 --> 04:03:08,730
two

6229
04:03:11,750 --> 04:03:11,760
[Music]

6230
04:03:16,389 --> 04:03:14,150
oh you gotta mute yourself akashi chris

6231
04:03:18,150 --> 04:03:16,399
i'm here do i sound like okay here we go

6232
04:03:19,269 --> 04:03:18,160
yep

6233
04:03:21,189 --> 04:03:19,279
hey chris

6234
04:03:24,250 --> 04:03:21,199
oh my gosh you've got a framed picture

6235
04:03:36,229 --> 04:03:24,260
of tt is

6236
04:03:36,239 --> 04:03:50,710
can you guys hear

6237
04:03:50,720 --> 04:03:56,950
bullied

6238
04:04:00,950 --> 04:03:58,710
he's gotten pulled into a work thing

6239
04:04:02,870 --> 04:04:00,960
just all right just now so yeah i just

6240
04:04:06,229 --> 04:04:02,880
want i just wanted to say i've

6241
04:04:10,229 --> 04:04:06,239
for you cab guys uh kevin especially i

6242
04:04:14,870 --> 04:04:13,269
the bard himself yes

6243
04:04:17,590 --> 04:04:14,880
for you guys stratford-upon-avon

6244
04:04:19,030 --> 04:04:17,600
represent absolutely absolutely

6245
04:04:21,349 --> 04:04:19,040
the mean streets of

6246
04:04:23,189 --> 04:04:21,359
upon avon hey man we got a grind in this

6247
04:04:24,710 --> 04:04:23,199
building you know

6248
04:04:26,469 --> 04:04:24,720
uh

6249
04:04:28,950 --> 04:04:26,479
you know what

6250
04:04:29,990 --> 04:04:28,960
we're going to need some order here so

6251
04:04:35,750 --> 04:04:30,000
let's

6252
04:04:38,389 --> 04:04:35,760
silva so he feels included

6253
04:04:40,630 --> 04:04:38,399
he's got the bright 67 on

6254
04:04:42,469 --> 04:04:40,640
i don't know what jersey uh that is for

6255
04:04:44,389 --> 04:04:42,479
but it looks good on you

6256
04:04:46,229 --> 04:04:44,399
and

6257
04:04:48,870 --> 04:04:46,239
yeah so

6258
04:04:51,510 --> 04:04:48,880
we had this huge historic thing the the

6259
04:04:52,469 --> 04:04:51,520
bill and everything uh passing

6260
04:04:54,630 --> 04:04:52,479
um

6261
04:04:56,550 --> 04:04:54,640
and

6262
04:04:58,389 --> 04:04:56,560
you know i think a lot of the ufo

6263
04:05:00,229 --> 04:04:58,399
twitter stuff obviously has to do with

6264
04:05:03,830 --> 04:05:00,239
yourself and address

6265
04:05:05,510 --> 04:05:03,840
and getting that started um years ago so

6266
04:05:08,070 --> 04:05:05,520
first of all i wanted to say thank you

6267
04:05:09,830 --> 04:05:08,080
and second of all i wanted to ask you

6268
04:05:13,189 --> 04:05:09,840
how are you feeling

6269
04:05:14,790 --> 04:05:13,199
uh now that we're here at this point

6270
04:05:15,830 --> 04:05:14,800
man it's been it's been a long four

6271
04:05:17,910 --> 04:05:15,840
years i don't know if i could take

6272
04:05:21,670 --> 04:05:17,920
credit for ufo twitter but we were

6273
04:05:23,189 --> 04:05:21,680
definitely there um you know around uh

6274
04:05:24,870 --> 04:05:23,199
the beginning of the a tip article there

6275
04:05:25,670 --> 04:05:24,880
were some people around before that but

6276
04:05:27,429 --> 04:05:25,680
um

6277
04:05:29,189 --> 04:05:27,439
man it's been a long four years i was

6278
04:05:31,510 --> 04:05:29,199
tweeting like we could have like

6279
04:05:32,550 --> 04:05:31,520
went to college and graduated by now but

6280
04:05:34,389 --> 04:05:32,560
uh

6281
04:05:35,429 --> 04:05:34,399
crazy four years let's play in tears

6282
04:05:36,630 --> 04:05:35,439
right

6283
04:05:39,189 --> 04:05:36,640
and um

6284
04:05:40,309 --> 04:05:39,199
it's just amazing what elsando and uh

6285
04:05:41,349 --> 04:05:40,319
melon

6286
04:05:43,349 --> 04:05:41,359
um

6287
04:05:45,429 --> 04:05:43,359
george knapp jeremy carbell anyone

6288
04:05:46,790 --> 04:05:45,439
that's hit the mainstream media

6289
04:05:49,269 --> 04:05:46,800
um those are the four guys that have

6290
04:05:51,269 --> 04:05:49,279
really done it the most um

6291
04:05:54,070 --> 04:05:51,279
they've done it man and especially

6292
04:05:55,830 --> 04:05:54,080
elizondo you know if he hadn't came out

6293
04:05:57,910 --> 04:05:55,840
in 2017 i don't think we'd be here right

6294
04:06:00,630 --> 04:05:57,920
now and uh it's pretty amazing i'm just

6295
04:06:02,309 --> 04:06:00,640
waiting to see what comes of uh

6296
04:06:04,870 --> 04:06:02,319
of these new programs or program

6297
04:06:06,070 --> 04:06:04,880
whatever happens um yeah it's gonna be

6298
04:06:07,670 --> 04:06:06,080
interesting but i never thought i'd see

6299
04:06:10,389 --> 04:06:07,680
this stuff in the government

6300
04:06:13,189 --> 04:06:10,399
and it's been a slow uh

6301
04:06:15,269 --> 04:06:13,199
change like we at first it was anything

6302
04:06:16,630 --> 04:06:15,279
from the government was amazing and no

6303
04:06:17,990 --> 04:06:16,640
one was talking about meta materials

6304
04:06:19,830 --> 04:06:18,000
then it was all of a sudden meta

6305
04:06:20,950 --> 04:06:19,840
materials and no one was talking about

6306
04:06:25,510 --> 04:06:20,960
injuries

6307
04:06:26,469 --> 04:06:25,520
and um i've just seen this progress and

6308
04:06:28,710 --> 04:06:26,479
uh

6309
04:06:30,550 --> 04:06:28,720
the the slow rollout and it seems to be

6310
04:06:31,910 --> 04:06:30,560
happening that uh we're farther than

6311
04:06:32,790 --> 04:06:31,920
ever of course

6312
04:06:35,429 --> 04:06:32,800
yeah

6313
04:06:36,950 --> 04:06:35,439
well hey you know you sell yourself

6314
04:06:38,790 --> 04:06:36,960
short and that's probably why you do

6315
04:06:40,389 --> 04:06:38,800
such a good job and why everybody likes

6316
04:06:43,110 --> 04:06:40,399
so much

6317
04:06:46,070 --> 04:06:43,120
because uh yeah i mean

6318
04:06:47,590 --> 04:06:46,080
um you keep uh pounding good information

6319
04:06:49,030 --> 04:06:47,600
not to mention your website silver

6320
04:06:51,269 --> 04:06:49,040
record as well they just brought out

6321
04:06:53,670 --> 04:06:51,279
some really great information so

6322
04:06:56,150 --> 04:06:53,680
um you know do you feel

6323
04:06:58,389 --> 04:06:56,160
kind of like i do where maybe things are

6324
04:07:01,349 --> 04:06:58,399
just getting started like we got into

6325
04:07:03,030 --> 04:07:01,359
this point um there's a triumph and now

6326
04:07:04,550 --> 04:07:03,040
things are really going to get going and

6327
04:07:06,630 --> 04:07:04,560
we still got to stick around and hunker

6328
04:07:08,070 --> 04:07:06,640
down and be be smart

6329
04:07:09,590 --> 04:07:08,080
of course of course you know we don't

6330
04:07:10,469 --> 04:07:09,600
know what's going to happen still i mean

6331
04:07:12,150 --> 04:07:10,479
um

6332
04:07:13,990 --> 04:07:12,160
this whole thing could flop the whole

6333
04:07:16,070 --> 04:07:14,000
government side of stuff um i don't

6334
04:07:17,429 --> 04:07:16,080
think elizondo is going to stop i mean i

6335
04:07:18,389 --> 04:07:17,439
don't think the interest is going to

6336
04:07:19,990 --> 04:07:18,399
stop

6337
04:07:21,830 --> 04:07:20,000
but uh you know it's interesting just

6338
04:07:22,550 --> 04:07:21,840
going to be able to see what elizondo

6339
04:07:24,710 --> 04:07:22,560
and

6340
04:07:27,269 --> 04:07:24,720
melon um what what they're controlling

6341
04:07:28,630 --> 04:07:27,279
behind the scenes you know obviously

6342
04:07:30,309 --> 04:07:28,640
they have the year of a lot of these

6343
04:07:32,070 --> 04:07:30,319
politicians and some other name unnamed

6344
04:07:33,990 --> 04:07:32,080
people that we don't know about but i'm

6345
04:07:35,670 --> 04:07:34,000
just really shocked at how

6346
04:07:36,790 --> 04:07:35,680
they've been able to get the ear of

6347
04:07:38,950 --> 04:07:36,800
these politicians and get these

6348
04:07:40,710 --> 04:07:38,960
politicians talking about the same thing

6349
04:07:42,070 --> 04:07:40,720
that we're talking about basically i

6350
04:07:43,990 --> 04:07:42,080
mean these are generally politicians

6351
04:07:45,670 --> 04:07:44,000
that don't necessarily care and they've

6352
04:07:47,429 --> 04:07:45,680
been able to appeal to them

6353
04:07:49,590 --> 04:07:47,439
and get them on board so it's just

6354
04:07:51,110 --> 04:07:49,600
insane but uh we still gotta fight i

6355
04:07:52,790 --> 04:07:51,120
mean if anything we're at the end of the

6356
04:07:54,149 --> 04:07:52,800
beginning but maybe we're still at the

6357
04:07:56,070 --> 04:07:54,159
beginning of the beginning not to sound

6358
04:07:58,229 --> 04:07:56,080
like an idiot but um

6359
04:08:00,469 --> 04:07:58,239
no i hear you no i mean it's been a long

6360
04:08:01,670 --> 04:08:00,479
four years it's been a crazy four years

6361
04:08:04,070 --> 04:08:01,680
um

6362
04:08:05,189 --> 04:08:04,080
but you know we're still long ways away

6363
04:08:07,349 --> 04:08:05,199
i think uh

6364
04:08:08,870 --> 04:08:07,359
my friend ufo joe was tweeting today or

6365
04:08:11,110 --> 04:08:08,880
yesterday that like

6366
04:08:12,550 --> 04:08:11,120
ben affleck and jlo or ben affleck and

6367
04:08:13,510 --> 04:08:12,560
one of his wives are still getting more

6368
04:08:16,710 --> 04:08:13,520
press

6369
04:08:18,550 --> 04:08:16,720
than uh the gila brad brandon so

6370
04:08:21,349 --> 04:08:18,560
we still got we still got a ways to go

6371
04:08:23,670 --> 04:08:21,359
we got a ways to go but uh

6372
04:08:24,870 --> 04:08:23,680
they're really pretty so

6373
04:08:26,710 --> 04:08:24,880
we still have more tools i'm always

6374
04:08:28,870 --> 04:08:26,720
looking for tools and weapons

6375
04:08:30,710 --> 04:08:28,880
to bring to the public to use in our

6376
04:08:33,030 --> 04:08:30,720
arsenal to get people to take this thing

6377
04:08:34,149 --> 04:08:33,040
seriously and uh every year and every

6378
04:08:35,750 --> 04:08:34,159
month we're getting more and more of

6379
04:08:37,910 --> 04:08:35,760
those tools to use

6380
04:08:39,590 --> 04:08:37,920
yeah yeah i agree completely but you

6381
04:08:41,269 --> 04:08:39,600
know

6382
04:08:43,670 --> 04:08:41,279
it's funny how people on twitter when we

6383
04:08:45,670 --> 04:08:43,680
use words like weapons and tools and

6384
04:08:47,269 --> 04:08:45,680
battles and wars they take it so

6385
04:08:49,429 --> 04:08:47,279
seriously and think that we're like

6386
04:08:51,110 --> 04:08:49,439
trying to be militant about it but it it

6387
04:08:52,469 --> 04:08:51,120
is a figure of speech how do you see

6388
04:08:53,990 --> 04:08:52,479
that danny like how does that make you

6389
04:08:55,990 --> 04:08:54,000
feel when people think that you're

6390
04:08:57,510 --> 04:08:56,000
trying to kind of almost like wage war

6391
04:08:58,309 --> 04:08:57,520
on things you know that they don't see

6392
04:09:03,830 --> 04:08:58,319
the

6393
04:09:05,269 --> 04:09:03,840
he's a man you guys can twist our words

6394
04:09:07,110 --> 04:09:05,279
however they want

6395
04:09:09,110 --> 04:09:07,120
it's usually a few of them they can uh

6396
04:09:10,790 --> 04:09:09,120
say whatever they want the thing is um

6397
04:09:13,349 --> 04:09:10,800
you know it has been described to me as

6398
04:09:15,910 --> 04:09:13,359
a war it is a war between

6399
04:09:17,429 --> 04:09:15,920
the rogue programs the super secret you

6400
04:09:19,990 --> 04:09:17,439
know um

6401
04:09:22,149 --> 04:09:20,000
unacknowledged special access programs

6402
04:09:24,070 --> 04:09:22,159
the the irads the private industry i

6403
04:09:25,429 --> 04:09:24,080
mean this is a war it's pretty obvious

6404
04:09:27,510 --> 04:09:25,439
they've had these programs for what

6405
04:09:28,870 --> 04:09:27,520
decades and decades and decades they're

6406
04:09:30,790 --> 04:09:28,880
secret they're not even really telling a

6407
04:09:32,309 --> 04:09:30,800
lot of politicians about them so there's

6408
04:09:33,269 --> 04:09:32,319
a war between the more transparent

6409
04:09:35,030 --> 04:09:33,279
groups

6410
04:09:37,349 --> 04:09:35,040
that are trying to get the congress and

6411
04:09:39,030 --> 04:09:37,359
politicians up on this and the crazy

6412
04:09:42,550 --> 04:09:39,040
secret stuff the ropes there's a war

6413
04:09:44,550 --> 04:09:42,560
going on um i'm still you know real uh

6414
04:09:46,229 --> 04:09:44,560
worried about that because we're

6415
04:09:48,710 --> 04:09:46,239
fighting against the military industrial

6416
04:09:51,189 --> 04:09:48,720
complex and we're fighting against these

6417
04:09:52,070 --> 04:09:51,199
massive decades decades-long secret

6418
04:09:53,429 --> 04:09:52,080
keeper

6419
04:09:56,149 --> 04:09:53,439
so i'm just

6420
04:09:58,149 --> 04:09:56,159
i don't know how that's gonna pan out um

6421
04:09:59,670 --> 04:09:58,159
but i do think there's a war going on

6422
04:10:01,349 --> 04:09:59,680
between between people that want the

6423
04:10:04,149 --> 04:10:01,359
secret out and want this stuff more

6424
04:10:05,510 --> 04:10:04,159
public and people that don't and

6425
04:10:06,870 --> 04:10:05,520
maybe now there's more people that want

6426
04:10:08,550 --> 04:10:06,880
it out i'm not really sure i don't know

6427
04:10:09,510 --> 04:10:08,560
what goes on behind the scenes in the

6428
04:10:11,510 --> 04:10:09,520
government

6429
04:10:13,269 --> 04:10:11,520
but with the progress that's being made

6430
04:10:15,910 --> 04:10:13,279
it's definitely amazing

6431
04:10:18,950 --> 04:10:15,920
and uh but i mean that's why elizondo is

6432
04:10:20,870 --> 04:10:18,960
still tweeting about you know oio

6433
04:10:22,389 --> 04:10:20,880
aoi msg

6434
04:10:24,070 --> 04:10:22,399
you know being bad and it looks like

6435
04:10:25,830 --> 04:10:24,080
there's still pushback so i'm sure he's

6436
04:10:27,750 --> 04:10:25,840
still yeah getting a lot of pushback and

6437
04:10:29,830 --> 04:10:27,760
melanie gets pushback that we're not

6438
04:10:31,670 --> 04:10:29,840
privy to well they're not going to be

6439
04:10:34,149 --> 04:10:31,680
back for this long and then just give up

6440
04:10:35,429 --> 04:10:34,159
now okay we're done yeah just just one

6441
04:10:37,269 --> 04:10:35,439
more quick question for danny what are

6442
04:10:40,309 --> 04:10:37,279
your what would you say to people that

6443
04:10:41,830 --> 04:10:40,319
say well forget ao imsg

6444
04:10:43,110 --> 04:10:41,840
this new office is just going to be the

6445
04:10:44,309 --> 04:10:43,120
same thing it's going to be another

6446
04:10:47,030 --> 04:10:44,319
government

6447
04:10:49,030 --> 04:10:47,040
angle of keeping the the conspiracy

6448
04:10:50,550 --> 04:10:49,040
going keeping the cover-up going what

6449
04:10:52,309 --> 04:10:50,560
would you say to people why how could

6450
04:10:54,710 --> 04:10:52,319
you persuade them that this is going to

6451
04:10:56,550 --> 04:10:54,720
be any different

6452
04:10:58,070 --> 04:10:56,560
what i do is i listen to people that

6453
04:11:00,630 --> 04:10:58,080
know way more than me and those people

6454
04:11:04,070 --> 04:11:00,640
are elizando and melon and um you know i

6455
04:11:05,349 --> 04:11:04,080
was surprised to hear elizondo um

6456
04:11:08,710 --> 04:11:05,359
kind of go at

6457
04:11:11,030 --> 04:11:08,720
aoi msg like that yeah but you know what

6458
04:11:13,429 --> 04:11:11,040
uh he's earned that right because

6459
04:11:15,110 --> 04:11:13,439
um the last four years any government

6460
04:11:16,149 --> 04:11:15,120
acknowledgement at all was like amazing

6461
04:11:18,790 --> 04:11:16,159
to us

6462
04:11:20,389 --> 04:11:18,800
so i was surprised that he uh

6463
04:11:22,550 --> 04:11:20,399
he was kind of you know downplaying that

6464
04:11:24,070 --> 04:11:22,560
and saying maybe it was pushback so i

6465
04:11:25,110 --> 04:11:24,080
and i think a lot of ufo twitter was a

6466
04:11:26,229 --> 04:11:25,120
lot of people say they knew him

6467
04:11:27,830 --> 04:11:26,239
automatically but i don't really think

6468
04:11:29,830 --> 04:11:27,840
they did because we've been conditioned

6469
04:11:31,030 --> 04:11:29,840
to think anything is good and now we're

6470
04:11:32,870 --> 04:11:31,040
able to be a little bit more picky and

6471
04:11:34,070 --> 04:11:32,880
choosy and understand what's going on

6472
04:11:35,750 --> 04:11:34,080
and the games are being played and

6473
04:11:36,630 --> 04:11:35,760
that's thanks to melon and elizondo and

6474
04:11:37,830 --> 04:11:36,640
others

6475
04:11:39,750 --> 04:11:37,840
and um

6476
04:11:42,630 --> 04:11:39,760
so i don't know i mean maybe this will

6477
04:11:43,750 --> 04:11:42,640
be a big flop but i i don't think so and

6478
04:11:46,309 --> 04:11:43,760
especially if they're throwing a lot of

6479
04:11:48,790 --> 04:11:46,319
money at it um i don't know but we get

6480
04:11:51,110 --> 04:11:48,800
away to see we always have to be uh wary

6481
04:11:52,630 --> 04:11:51,120
of what the government is doing it it

6482
04:11:54,149 --> 04:11:52,640
there's a part of it that still doesn't

6483
04:11:56,389 --> 04:11:54,159
make a lot of sense

6484
04:11:58,309 --> 04:11:56,399
unless there's this war right because

6485
04:11:59,830 --> 04:11:58,319
they're creating programs but there's

6486
04:12:01,590 --> 04:11:59,840
already programs

6487
04:12:03,189 --> 04:12:01,600
that they're not being told about

6488
04:12:04,870 --> 04:12:03,199
so it is a dichotomy and i understand

6489
04:12:06,790 --> 04:12:04,880
when people get confused about that

6490
04:12:08,710 --> 04:12:06,800
because it is confusing we're creating

6491
04:12:10,309 --> 04:12:08,720
programs on top of programs eric davis

6492
04:12:12,550 --> 04:12:10,319
and others have talked about

6493
04:12:13,990 --> 04:12:12,560
how uh one sap may not know what the

6494
04:12:15,429 --> 04:12:14,000
other sap is doing

6495
04:12:17,030 --> 04:12:15,439
or the unacknowledged staffs at least

6496
04:12:18,950 --> 04:12:17,040
the rogue programs that's part of the

6497
04:12:20,309 --> 04:12:18,960
problem because they're duplicating what

6498
04:12:21,670 --> 04:12:20,319
each other may be doing because they

6499
04:12:23,590 --> 04:12:21,680
don't get to know what they they don't

6500
04:12:26,469 --> 04:12:23,600
share info so there's a lot of a

6501
04:12:27,910 --> 04:12:26,479
bureaucratic mess going on and um

6502
04:12:29,269 --> 04:12:27,920
we just want to see this stuff shared

6503
04:12:30,950 --> 04:12:29,279
but i don't know we just have to wait

6504
04:12:32,149 --> 04:12:30,960
and see and that's the that's what we've

6505
04:12:33,269 --> 04:12:32,159
been doing this whole darn time the

6506
04:12:34,870 --> 04:12:33,279
whole four years is trying to stay

6507
04:12:36,389 --> 04:12:34,880
positive and wait and see

6508
04:12:38,070 --> 04:12:36,399
all right man i'll take my hat off to

6509
04:12:40,229 --> 04:12:38,080
you man because you've been a huge

6510
04:12:43,830 --> 04:12:40,239
inspiration for me personally yourself

6511
04:12:45,429 --> 04:12:43,840
andrea adam um have really paved the way

6512
04:12:48,630 --> 04:12:45,439
for what we're doing here right now

6513
04:12:50,070 --> 04:12:48,640
tonight man so thank you from the bottom

6514
04:12:52,710 --> 04:12:50,080
of my heart for what you've done and i

6515
04:12:55,189 --> 04:12:52,720
hope to see the silver record continuing

6516
04:12:56,630 --> 04:12:55,199
to pave the way so thank you man thanks

6517
04:12:58,550 --> 04:12:56,640
vinnie and i'm not writing as much as i

6518
04:13:00,469 --> 04:12:58,560
used to i'm super busy in my work life

6519
04:13:01,670 --> 04:13:00,479
personally but uh i'm still here and i'm

6520
04:13:04,469 --> 04:13:01,680
still going to be talking and flapping

6521
04:13:06,309 --> 04:13:04,479
my mouth and um and you guys are also

6522
04:13:08,550 --> 04:13:06,319
picking up a lot of the slack now too

6523
04:13:09,750 --> 04:13:08,560
before it was just me and andreas and

6524
04:13:10,790 --> 04:13:09,760
there wasn't a lot of other people and

6525
04:13:12,469 --> 04:13:10,800
now there's so many other people

6526
04:13:14,070 --> 04:13:12,479
chipping in it's like we have less

6527
04:13:16,550 --> 04:13:14,080
pressure on ourselves but we're still

6528
04:13:18,229 --> 04:13:16,560
here too i know danny it's cool that you

6529
04:13:19,910 --> 04:13:18,239
say that man because i was just sitting

6530
04:13:21,830 --> 04:13:19,920
here thinking about the tool analogy

6531
04:13:23,750 --> 04:13:21,840
that you gave a little bit ago and like

6532
04:13:25,750 --> 04:13:23,760
how many people do you see now compared

6533
04:13:27,670 --> 04:13:25,760
to even a year ago with their own

6534
04:13:29,189 --> 04:13:27,680
individual chisel you know what i mean

6535
04:13:30,790 --> 04:13:29,199
like even if it's a little level it's

6536
04:13:33,189 --> 04:13:30,800
it's still something it still pushes

6537
04:13:34,630 --> 04:13:33,199
this conversation forward in a way

6538
04:13:35,590 --> 04:13:34,640
no doubt i mean it's huge everyone

6539
04:13:38,710 --> 04:13:35,600
there's a lot more people getting

6540
04:13:40,550 --> 04:13:38,720
involved and um you know the goal is

6541
04:13:42,469 --> 04:13:40,560
for all of us pushing to disco for

6542
04:13:44,710 --> 04:13:42,479
disclosure i always say this the goal is

6543
04:13:46,950 --> 04:13:44,720
for us to be obsolete and not be around

6544
04:13:48,630 --> 04:13:46,960
because hopefully disclosure will happen

6545
04:13:49,590 --> 04:13:48,640
and everyone that is focusing on the

6546
04:13:51,349 --> 04:13:49,600
government

6547
04:13:52,950 --> 04:13:51,359
is going to be obsolete and it won't

6548
04:13:54,550 --> 04:13:52,960
matter and then we'll just be focusing

6549
04:13:55,590 --> 04:13:54,560
on the phenomenon itself because we

6550
04:13:57,429 --> 04:13:55,600
don't want to be focusing on the

6551
04:13:59,670 --> 04:13:57,439
government it's a waste of time

6552
04:14:01,910 --> 04:13:59,680
danny danny

6553
04:14:05,429 --> 04:14:01,920
let's focus on the man right here the

6554
04:14:15,189 --> 04:14:05,439
william shakespeare of ufo twitter party

6555
04:14:19,990 --> 04:14:18,790
man come on danny what's up

6556
04:14:20,870 --> 04:14:20,000
shout out to vinnie shout out to all you

6557
04:14:22,950 --> 04:14:20,880
guys

6558
04:14:25,590 --> 04:14:22,960
shout out to you brother man six seven

6559
04:14:27,990 --> 04:14:25,600
man who's that jersey number

6560
04:14:30,309 --> 04:14:28,000
it's uh it's ralph lauren

6561
04:14:32,309 --> 04:14:30,319
hell yeah man

6562
04:14:34,870 --> 04:14:32,319
i don't know

6563
04:14:37,110 --> 04:14:34,880
i didn't go out offensive line

6564
04:14:39,750 --> 04:14:37,120
only rocks that nineties vibe that ralph

6565
04:14:42,790 --> 04:14:39,760
man that n y star man i love that man so

6566
04:14:50,229 --> 04:14:42,800
shout out 100 don't be putting it on me

6567
04:14:52,870 --> 04:14:51,590
that was great ralph lauren's my

6568
04:14:54,710 --> 04:14:52,880
favorite player

6569
04:14:55,910 --> 04:14:54,720
oh yeah

6570
04:14:57,510 --> 04:14:55,920
hard hitter

6571
04:14:58,870 --> 04:14:57,520
hell of a blocker man i'll tell you what

6572
04:15:00,950 --> 04:14:58,880
man

6573
04:15:02,550 --> 04:15:00,960
people made a lot of yards behind him

6574
04:15:05,110 --> 04:15:02,560
i'm just going to put this out there

6575
04:15:15,349 --> 04:15:05,120
that i there's no way i can keep order

6576
04:15:19,189 --> 04:15:16,389
man

6577
04:15:20,469 --> 04:15:19,199
i just want to say all donations go to

6578
04:15:24,389 --> 04:15:20,479
the um

6579
04:15:28,389 --> 04:15:25,910
cool that's it

6580
04:15:30,630 --> 04:15:28,399
thank you all right

6581
04:15:32,950 --> 04:15:30,640
that's

6582
04:15:34,149 --> 04:15:32,960
happy

6583
04:15:39,030 --> 04:15:34,159
all right

6584
04:15:41,670 --> 04:15:39,040
actually i have a question for danny and

6585
04:15:43,750 --> 04:15:41,680
something you just said danny and vinnie

6586
04:15:46,630 --> 04:15:43,760
so um you were saying that our roles

6587
04:15:48,630 --> 04:15:46,640
would be obsolete and i tend to disagree

6588
04:15:49,910 --> 04:15:48,640
a little bit because i think

6589
04:15:51,910 --> 04:15:49,920
um

6590
04:15:54,309 --> 04:15:51,920
there's a lot of people i'm not an

6591
04:15:55,750 --> 04:15:54,319
experiencer so i come from it from

6592
04:15:57,590 --> 04:15:55,760
different perspective i don't need a

6593
04:16:01,590 --> 04:15:57,600
physical you know i don't need to see it

6594
04:16:02,630 --> 04:16:01,600
in my face to believe it so um

6595
04:16:04,790 --> 04:16:02,640
won't

6596
04:16:07,670 --> 04:16:04,800
wouldn't our role based on how the

6597
04:16:09,429 --> 04:16:07,680
government has handled things so far

6598
04:16:12,790 --> 04:16:09,439
wouldn't our role be more of a

6599
04:16:15,429 --> 04:16:12,800
grassroots movement in helping

6600
04:16:18,309 --> 04:16:15,439
helping others because we're still down

6601
04:16:20,229 --> 04:16:18,319
the rabbit hole and other people don't

6602
04:16:23,189 --> 04:16:20,239
even know how deep we're in can you

6603
04:16:25,510 --> 04:16:23,199
imagine going from zero to 60.

6604
04:16:27,590 --> 04:16:25,520
oh yeah i'll say my my role would be

6605
04:16:30,070 --> 04:16:27,600
obviously but it will change sorry danny

6606
04:16:32,149 --> 04:16:30,080
my role will change i will take that

6607
04:16:34,389 --> 04:16:32,159
step back from pushing on the government

6608
04:16:36,149 --> 04:16:34,399
side because they we did that my role

6609
04:16:37,910 --> 04:16:36,159
will change then to the experiences to

6610
04:16:39,750 --> 04:16:37,920
the individual to the public

6611
04:16:41,189 --> 04:16:39,760
so i'm always going to be here for

6612
04:16:43,590 --> 04:16:41,199
everyone for the people you know it

6613
04:16:45,750 --> 04:16:43,600
won't it won't go away

6614
04:16:48,469 --> 04:16:45,760
i have a comment it's actually it's

6615
04:16:50,950 --> 04:16:48,479
actually a good question for uh mr lou

6616
04:16:53,670 --> 04:16:50,960
angeles because this man

6617
04:16:56,070 --> 04:16:53,680
um did a lot of work in the activism in

6618
04:16:57,349 --> 04:16:56,080
making uh getting people active to make

6619
04:16:58,790 --> 04:16:57,359
phone calls and reaching out to press

6620
04:17:01,110 --> 04:16:58,800
and doing twitter and all that kind of

6621
04:17:03,429 --> 04:17:01,120
stuff so now that we're here with like

6622
04:17:04,870 --> 04:17:03,439
um you know the amendment passed and

6623
04:17:07,189 --> 04:17:04,880
everything

6624
04:17:09,110 --> 04:17:07,199
how will your role change how will you

6625
04:17:10,710 --> 04:17:09,120
know what is your focus going to be on

6626
04:17:13,189 --> 04:17:10,720
at this point

6627
04:17:15,429 --> 04:17:13,199
um well i guess the focus is gonna be on

6628
04:17:19,349 --> 04:17:15,439
right now

6629
04:17:21,030 --> 04:17:19,359
180 days from the first you know see

6630
04:17:22,070 --> 04:17:21,040
who's appointed into the office see what

6631
04:17:23,429 --> 04:17:22,080
the office looks like what kind of

6632
04:17:25,110 --> 04:17:23,439
budget it gets

6633
04:17:27,189 --> 04:17:25,120
um you know all of these things are

6634
04:17:29,590 --> 04:17:27,199
going to determine sort of

6635
04:17:33,030 --> 04:17:29,600
where at least my efforts will go

6636
04:17:35,269 --> 04:17:33,040
um and and yeah i mean you know there's

6637
04:17:37,429 --> 04:17:35,279
we've got to give i think 2022 is going

6638
04:17:40,149 --> 04:17:37,439
to be very interesting here very very

6639
04:17:42,630 --> 04:17:40,159
fun um you know the last four years have

6640
04:17:46,469 --> 04:17:42,640
been a lot of fun this year

6641
04:17:47,990 --> 04:17:46,479
this year alone has been amazing um

6642
04:17:49,110 --> 04:17:48,000
you know

6643
04:17:51,910 --> 04:17:49,120
uh

6644
04:17:53,910 --> 04:17:51,920
so 2022 you know october 31st we're

6645
04:17:55,030 --> 04:17:53,920
gonna get our first report

6646
04:17:57,910 --> 04:17:55,040
um

6647
04:17:59,590 --> 04:17:57,920
uh so that'll be fun to analyze and talk

6648
04:18:01,269 --> 04:17:59,600
about and look at and then there's gonna

6649
04:18:03,349 --> 04:18:01,279
be a new ndaa

6650
04:18:05,510 --> 04:18:03,359
you know so there might be things added

6651
04:18:06,710 --> 04:18:05,520
to this office capabilities added to

6652
04:18:07,910 --> 04:18:06,720
this office

6653
04:18:10,229 --> 04:18:07,920
um

6654
04:18:11,830 --> 04:18:10,239
you know or we might as a community see

6655
04:18:13,830 --> 04:18:11,840
that that's what's needed and then

6656
04:18:15,750 --> 04:18:13,840
that's what we'll advocate for

6657
04:18:17,510 --> 04:18:15,760
um

6658
04:18:19,030 --> 04:18:17,520
i don't think we're gonna get public

6659
04:18:20,550 --> 04:18:19,040
hearings this year

6660
04:18:22,070 --> 04:18:20,560
but it wouldn't shock me if we get it in

6661
04:18:23,750 --> 04:18:22,080
2023.

6662
04:18:26,070 --> 04:18:23,760
i think 2023 is where you're going to

6663
04:18:27,670 --> 04:18:26,080
get better at some words with mr steve

6664
04:18:29,030 --> 04:18:27,680
bassett sir

6665
04:18:31,510 --> 04:18:29,040
um

6666
04:18:34,550 --> 04:18:31,520
sure yeah but steve bassett also said we

6667
04:18:36,950 --> 04:18:34,560
were going to have him this year yeah

6668
04:18:39,030 --> 04:18:36,960
you know so you know it's and it's okay

6669
04:18:40,790 --> 04:18:39,040
to be wrong like it's fine like we're

6670
04:18:41,750 --> 04:18:40,800
gonna be wrong on all of this stuff all

6671
04:18:44,229 --> 04:18:41,760
the time

6672
04:18:45,750 --> 04:18:44,239
you know and and we have to have room to

6673
04:18:47,830 --> 04:18:45,760
to be able to do that

6674
04:18:49,590 --> 04:18:47,840
yeah i mean and with coronavirus i think

6675
04:18:52,870 --> 04:18:49,600
everybody's expectations have been

6676
04:18:54,950 --> 04:18:52,880
completely off right yeah so and he even

6677
04:18:57,510 --> 04:18:54,960
said that about next series like there's

6678
04:18:58,790 --> 04:18:57,520
another you know um

6679
04:19:02,710 --> 04:18:58,800
there's another

6680
04:19:05,510 --> 04:19:02,720
there's like the the 15th coronavirus uh

6681
04:19:08,630 --> 04:19:05,520
transformation so that's really putting

6682
04:19:10,550 --> 04:19:08,640
a hamper on things too but somehow this

6683
04:19:12,550 --> 04:19:10,560
remained important enough to get past

6684
04:19:14,309 --> 04:19:12,560
which is pretty awesome because there's

6685
04:19:16,550 --> 04:19:14,319
so many different things

6686
04:19:19,349 --> 04:19:16,560
to pay attention to right now especially

6687
04:19:20,550 --> 04:19:19,359
with russia on the border of ukraine and

6688
04:19:22,950 --> 04:19:20,560
and

6689
04:19:24,950 --> 04:19:22,960
china going over taiwan every day

6690
04:19:26,950 --> 04:19:24,960
you know no there's a lot of real world

6691
04:19:28,149 --> 04:19:26,960
issues so there's a lot of pain here too

6692
04:19:29,590 --> 04:19:28,159
domestically

6693
04:19:31,750 --> 04:19:29,600
you know there's a lot of things that

6694
04:19:32,950 --> 04:19:31,760
need to be dealt with um

6695
04:19:38,309 --> 04:19:32,960
yeah

6696
04:19:40,309 --> 04:19:38,319
it's gonna be tough um

6697
04:19:44,710 --> 04:19:40,319
you know so we'll see what happens with

6698
04:19:46,550 --> 04:19:44,720
uh with regards to you know where where

6699
04:19:49,750 --> 04:19:46,560
attention is

6700
04:19:50,630 --> 04:19:49,760
emphasized within our our policies

6701
04:19:54,309 --> 04:19:50,640
um

6702
04:19:55,590 --> 04:19:54,319
unfortunately

6703
04:19:56,389 --> 04:19:55,600
uh

6704
04:19:59,030 --> 04:19:56,399
but

6705
04:20:02,710 --> 04:19:59,040
it's it's starting to creep in i think

6706
04:20:04,550 --> 04:20:02,720
to the top 10 most pressing issues

6707
04:20:05,910 --> 04:20:04,560
um yeah i think we're in the top 20

6708
04:20:08,950 --> 04:20:05,920
right now

6709
04:20:10,950 --> 04:20:08,960
yeah pressing issues in a domestic or

6710
04:20:13,990 --> 04:20:10,960
international standpoint

6711
04:20:15,750 --> 04:20:14,000
yeah most pressing yeah who's who's to

6712
04:20:18,149 --> 04:20:15,760
say i guess it depends

6713
04:20:20,229 --> 04:20:18,159
uh it all depends on where you're going

6714
04:20:21,910 --> 04:20:20,239
yeah and what more information comes out

6715
04:20:23,990 --> 04:20:21,920
and who gets to testify and how much

6716
04:20:26,870 --> 04:20:24,000
press it gets really right

6717
04:20:29,349 --> 04:20:26,880
uh study at uaps

6718
04:20:31,110 --> 04:20:29,359
i think you can just call me

6719
04:20:34,469 --> 04:20:31,120
yeah you can just call me deb everyone

6720
04:20:36,870 --> 04:20:34,479
calls me devs dj just said it all out on

6721
04:20:37,750 --> 04:20:36,880
youtube so it's out there so anyway good

6722
04:20:38,790 --> 04:20:37,760
job

6723
04:20:43,269 --> 04:20:38,800
yeah

6724
04:20:44,950 --> 04:20:43,279
you know i came into twitter a little

6725
04:20:47,510 --> 04:20:44,960
late to the party even though i was on

6726
04:20:49,750 --> 04:20:47,520
facebook for a while and i did a lot of

6727
04:20:51,750 --> 04:20:49,760
observing of what was going on with you

6728
04:20:55,189 --> 04:20:51,760
know the drama and how things were being

6729
04:20:57,510 --> 04:20:55,199
related to people etc and i have come to

6730
04:20:59,269 --> 04:20:57,520
the conclusion that in preparation for a

6731
04:21:00,710 --> 04:20:59,279
lot of new people just trying to get

6732
04:21:03,269 --> 04:21:00,720
information

6733
04:21:05,110 --> 04:21:03,279
um it's probably a good idea to simplify

6734
04:21:08,389 --> 04:21:05,120
some things for people and just kind of

6735
04:21:10,550 --> 04:21:08,399
walk them through baby step wise so as i

6736
04:21:14,229 --> 04:21:10,560
have said to sean before i'm going to

6737
04:21:17,110 --> 04:21:14,239
try to make a very simplified web page

6738
04:21:20,309 --> 04:21:17,120
where all the data can be found in one

6739
04:21:23,189 --> 04:21:20,319
place because as sean and i know it's

6740
04:21:25,110 --> 04:21:23,199
everywhere on the web it's all over it's

6741
04:21:26,870 --> 04:21:25,120
in the bajillion places and we need to

6742
04:21:30,630 --> 04:21:26,880
put it all together

6743
04:21:32,469 --> 04:21:30,640
and that is my major goal for 2022 and

6744
04:21:34,950 --> 04:21:32,479
of course you know some very key

6745
04:21:37,670 --> 04:21:34,960
podcasters will be linked on that page

6746
04:21:39,269 --> 04:21:37,680
just so you know but yeah and when

6747
04:21:41,349 --> 04:21:39,279
you're talking you're talking like

6748
04:21:43,110 --> 04:21:41,359
mainly about like research and all that

6749
04:21:45,670 --> 04:21:43,120
and now everything

6750
04:21:48,070 --> 04:21:45,680
okay gotcha because yet so you'll need

6751
04:21:50,630 --> 04:21:48,080
like new news research all that kind of

6752
04:21:53,349 --> 04:21:50,640
stuff all in one spot yeah i think some

6753
04:21:55,030 --> 04:21:53,359
of the key articles including ones that

6754
04:21:58,070 --> 04:21:55,040
i personally as someone who's done

6755
04:22:02,070 --> 04:21:58,080
research find really interesting from 30

6756
04:22:04,389 --> 04:22:02,080
40 50 years ago that already attempted

6757
04:22:06,710 --> 04:22:04,399
to disclose to the public what was going

6758
04:22:08,870 --> 04:22:06,720
on and people overlooked them

6759
04:22:10,950 --> 04:22:08,880
yeah some of those might be in there too

6760
04:22:12,710 --> 04:22:10,960
it's it's pretty upsetting

6761
04:22:14,870 --> 04:22:12,720
knowing that um

6762
04:22:16,309 --> 04:22:14,880
we were given this information before

6763
04:22:17,830 --> 04:22:16,319
and then people who keep acting like

6764
04:22:19,830 --> 04:22:17,840
it's new again

6765
04:22:22,550 --> 04:22:19,840
yeah we've talked about that it's like

6766
04:22:24,550 --> 04:22:22,560
disclosure for a lot of people you know

6767
04:22:25,990 --> 04:22:24,560
is within arm's reach the unfortunate

6768
04:22:27,830 --> 04:22:26,000
part is you have to read

6769
04:22:30,149 --> 04:22:27,840
so yes

6770
04:22:33,830 --> 04:22:30,159
i'm going to simplify that i'm going to

6771
04:22:36,550 --> 04:22:33,840
make it fun to find out everything

6772
04:22:38,070 --> 04:22:36,560
yeah yeah the work you do is awesome and

6773
04:22:39,429 --> 04:22:38,080
i'd like to see the brain trust here

6774
04:22:41,750 --> 04:22:39,439
kind of figure out a way that we could

6775
04:22:43,349 --> 04:22:41,760
put together some talking points because

6776
04:22:45,269 --> 04:22:43,359
um you know danny something that you

6777
04:22:47,349 --> 04:22:45,279
said just makes me think that we really

6778
04:22:48,870 --> 04:22:47,359
need to um

6779
04:22:50,710 --> 04:22:48,880
we need to have kind of a little bit of

6780
04:22:52,469 --> 04:22:50,720
a crib sheet that we can get give to

6781
04:22:54,389 --> 04:22:52,479
folks that can help jump start the

6782
04:22:56,149 --> 04:22:54,399
conversation outside of

6783
04:22:58,070 --> 04:22:56,159
the the community that we all know and

6784
04:22:59,830 --> 04:22:58,080
love you know what are the the sort of

6785
04:23:02,550 --> 04:22:59,840
entry points the on-ramps for this

6786
04:23:05,189 --> 04:23:02,560
conversation uh and let's identify those

6787
04:23:08,870 --> 04:23:05,199
and try to get those disseminated yeah

6788
04:23:11,269 --> 04:23:08,880
well adding that to this page

6789
04:23:13,670 --> 04:23:11,279
this time it's kind of flown by it and i

6790
04:23:15,750 --> 04:23:13,680
apologize we couldn't have more time but

6791
04:23:17,189 --> 04:23:15,760
um i'm going to have you all back on the

6792
04:23:19,670 --> 04:23:17,199
show for

6793
04:23:21,590 --> 04:23:19,680
you know some some one-on-one times

6794
04:23:23,830 --> 04:23:21,600
where we can really do this for a while

6795
04:23:25,189 --> 04:23:23,840
so but i really appreciate everybody

6796
04:23:27,349 --> 04:23:25,199
showing up

6797
04:23:29,030 --> 04:23:27,359
to support you know what i'm trying to

6798
04:23:31,830 --> 04:23:29,040
do which is really just bring people

6799
04:23:33,510 --> 04:23:31,840
together um in this topic

6800
04:23:35,110 --> 04:23:33,520
know that we can rely on each other and

6801
04:23:36,950 --> 04:23:35,120
be supportive of each other have

6802
04:23:39,429 --> 04:23:36,960
different views that's fine but we can

6803
04:23:40,229 --> 04:23:39,439
we can still you know love on each other

6804
04:23:41,910 --> 04:23:40,239
so

6805
04:23:45,110 --> 04:23:41,920
um and we're gonna need each other for

6806
04:23:46,389 --> 04:23:45,120
this because it this isn't easy uh as

6807
04:23:48,790 --> 04:23:46,399
lewis said

6808
04:23:51,269 --> 04:23:48,800
pursuit for truth it's not easy

6809
04:23:53,349 --> 04:23:51,279
and we need folks we need each other in

6810
04:23:55,189 --> 04:23:53,359
all different mindsets to do it right

6811
04:23:57,830 --> 04:23:55,199
but we just have to remember that it's

6812
04:24:00,950 --> 04:23:57,840
not about us it's about the pursuit for

6813
04:24:02,469 --> 04:24:00,960
truth so but that being said

6814
04:24:04,630 --> 04:24:02,479
do you mind if i just say i want to i

6815
04:24:06,469 --> 04:24:04,640
want to say thank you to danny for being

6816
04:24:09,030 --> 04:24:06,479
the og because you paved away for a lot

6817
04:24:11,830 --> 04:24:09,040
of us man so i really appreciate you

6818
04:24:14,870 --> 04:24:11,840
luis jimenez down there my brother love

6819
04:24:17,269 --> 04:24:14,880
you man what you're doing is phenomenal

6820
04:24:19,269 --> 04:24:17,279
and you kind of set the bar for the rest

6821
04:24:22,389 --> 04:24:19,279
of us that are doing it right now and

6822
04:24:24,389 --> 04:24:22,399
then nathan akashi chris kevin deb my

6823
04:24:26,229 --> 04:24:24,399
boy dj i don't know where he's gone but

6824
04:24:28,710 --> 04:24:26,239
you guys are kind of coming in

6825
04:24:30,870 --> 04:24:28,720
kind of new to the party but like even

6826
04:24:32,550 --> 04:24:30,880
now you've just jumped from

6827
04:24:34,309 --> 04:24:32,560
you just jumped to a super high level

6828
04:24:36,630 --> 04:24:34,319
already man so i just appreciate every

6829
04:24:37,510 --> 04:24:36,640
single one of you guys and i love you

6830
04:24:40,630 --> 04:24:37,520
man

6831
04:24:43,670 --> 04:24:40,640
peace out everybody

6832
04:24:48,840 --> 04:24:43,680
sure later guys thank you thank you bye

6833
04:24:54,790 --> 04:24:51,990
[Laughter]

6834
04:24:56,550 --> 04:24:54,800
right that was fun having them on very

6835
04:24:57,670 --> 04:24:56,560
fun for sure

6836
04:25:00,710 --> 04:24:57,680
um

6837
04:25:02,950 --> 04:25:00,720
and holy cow that was just like

6838
04:25:04,870 --> 04:25:02,960
a huge tsunami game and now it's gone to

6839
04:25:06,630 --> 04:25:04,880
hear the silence it's like what the heck

6840
04:25:08,790 --> 04:25:06,640
just

6841
04:25:09,670 --> 04:25:08,800
breathe breathe

6842
04:25:14,950 --> 04:25:09,680
man

6843
04:25:18,830 --> 04:25:14,960
this uh yeah so i gotta hand it to lou

6844
04:25:24,550 --> 04:25:22,950
um this isn't easy to do eight hours

6845
04:25:26,790 --> 04:25:24,560
you know

6846
04:25:29,910 --> 04:25:26,800
and he did it three days in a row

6847
04:25:33,349 --> 04:25:31,670
this is not enough

6848
04:25:35,590 --> 04:25:33,359
not enough cocaine in the world to keep

6849
04:25:38,070 --> 04:25:35,600
me doing this

6850
04:25:41,349 --> 04:25:38,080
yes dope knows that yeah

6851
04:25:42,790 --> 04:25:41,359
okay so with that being said

6852
04:25:46,870 --> 04:25:42,800
we have a couple people i'm gonna bring

6853
04:25:48,950 --> 04:25:46,880
back in first one is mr j

6854
04:25:51,510 --> 04:25:48,960
how are you i can't amuse you

6855
04:25:54,149 --> 04:25:51,520
okay there you go and then

6856
04:25:56,790 --> 04:25:54,159
we're gonna bring in a super duper guest

6857
04:25:58,870 --> 04:25:56,800
um who has really contributed a lot

6858
04:26:01,110 --> 04:25:58,880
towards this pursuit for truth

6859
04:26:04,149 --> 04:26:01,120
um in a couple ways

6860
04:26:05,590 --> 04:26:04,159
one via a beautiful book called in plain

6861
04:26:06,790 --> 04:26:05,600
sight

6862
04:26:09,110 --> 04:26:06,800
and i

6863
04:26:11,349 --> 04:26:09,120
if you guys have not read it tell me now

6864
04:26:13,590 --> 04:26:11,359
so i can kick you out i've read it and

6865
04:26:16,950 --> 04:26:13,600
i've read it and listened to it

6866
04:26:20,070 --> 04:26:16,960
oh now that's just weird okay

6867
04:26:21,990 --> 04:26:20,080
i'd like to do weird i did i did the

6868
04:26:24,389 --> 04:26:22,000
listening thing that was that was

6869
04:26:26,070 --> 04:26:24,399
the best way to do it uh in my opinion

6870
04:26:29,030 --> 04:26:26,080
because his

6871
04:26:30,389 --> 04:26:29,040
uh reenactments are beautiful and then

6872
04:26:33,910 --> 04:26:30,399
his documentary

6873
04:26:34,710 --> 04:26:33,920
um that just came out on youtube

6874
04:26:35,670 --> 04:26:34,720
uh

6875
04:26:37,910 --> 04:26:35,680
is

6876
04:26:39,830 --> 04:26:37,920
freaking great new witnesses

6877
04:26:41,349 --> 04:26:39,840
um and

6878
04:26:43,030 --> 04:26:41,359
he's really pushing this ball forward

6879
04:26:44,630 --> 04:26:43,040
now he's got a podcast so he's about to

6880
04:26:45,429 --> 04:26:44,640
put us out of business

6881
04:26:47,670 --> 04:26:45,439
so

6882
04:26:49,189 --> 04:26:47,680
with that being said let me bring him in

6883
04:26:50,229 --> 04:26:49,199
mr ross

6884
04:26:52,070 --> 04:26:50,239
how are you

6885
04:26:53,510 --> 04:26:52,080
g'day mate look there's no bloody way

6886
04:26:54,790 --> 04:26:53,520
i'm ever going to put you blake's out of

6887
04:26:57,429 --> 04:26:54,800
business you

6888
04:26:59,910 --> 04:26:57,439
i i i feel the love though guys so thank

6889
04:27:02,790 --> 04:26:59,920
you so much it's very kind of you

6890
04:27:05,750 --> 04:27:02,800
yeah i mean you you've been fantastic uh

6891
04:27:08,149 --> 04:27:05,760
ross really um you've been uh a bright

6892
04:27:09,030 --> 04:27:08,159
and shining spot in this topic

6893
04:27:10,309 --> 04:27:09,040
and

6894
04:27:14,630 --> 04:27:10,319
we always

6895
04:27:16,550 --> 04:27:14,640
um and you come so strong from

6896
04:27:18,229 --> 04:27:16,560
investigative journalism

6897
04:27:20,309 --> 04:27:18,239
um

6898
04:27:23,030 --> 04:27:20,319
and to take this so serious and put your

6899
04:27:24,950 --> 04:27:23,040
your career out there like this

6900
04:27:27,830 --> 04:27:24,960
means how much

6901
04:27:29,189 --> 04:27:27,840
authenticity you actually see in it and

6902
04:27:31,670 --> 04:27:29,199
i have a man of your stature and

6903
04:27:33,349 --> 04:27:31,680
integrity uh see that really means a lot

6904
04:27:35,110 --> 04:27:33,359
to all of us so

6905
04:27:36,550 --> 04:27:35,120
that's really kind of you i mean i i

6906
04:27:39,110 --> 04:27:36,560
just take the view to be honest sean

6907
04:27:41,670 --> 04:27:39,120
it's a bloody good story i mean i i i

6908
04:27:44,950 --> 04:27:41,680
don't get i really don't get why

6909
04:27:47,030 --> 04:27:44,960
mainstream media is now not full-time

6910
04:27:49,030 --> 04:27:47,040
like in a newsroom i've been in a chief

6911
04:27:50,149 --> 04:27:49,040
of staff role on a major national

6912
04:27:51,429 --> 04:27:50,159
newspaper

6913
04:27:53,030 --> 04:27:51,439
and that's

6914
04:27:55,269 --> 04:27:53,040
kind of the point where you make a

6915
04:27:57,269 --> 04:27:55,279
decision about who does what story that

6916
04:27:58,870 --> 04:27:57,279
day so you're looking at what's on in

6917
04:28:01,110 --> 04:27:58,880
the courts you're looking at what's

6918
04:28:02,710 --> 04:28:01,120
happening on the police blotter you're

6919
04:28:04,710 --> 04:28:02,720
looking at what's happening in politics

6920
04:28:06,229 --> 04:28:04,720
you're talking to the bureaus

6921
04:28:08,630 --> 04:28:06,239
what's going on in the different foreign

6922
04:28:10,710 --> 04:28:08,640
capitals where we've got people based

6923
04:28:13,510 --> 04:28:10,720
and you have issues that you look at

6924
04:28:15,990 --> 04:28:13,520
health education crime

6925
04:28:17,429 --> 04:28:16,000
i think we're at the stage now where the

6926
04:28:19,189 --> 04:28:17,439
phenomenon

6927
04:28:20,950 --> 04:28:19,199
the fact that you have a government in

6928
04:28:23,110 --> 04:28:20,960
your government the american government

6929
04:28:26,070 --> 04:28:23,120
the most powerful country in the world

6930
04:28:27,990 --> 04:28:26,080
is now saying this phenomenon is real

6931
04:28:33,429 --> 04:28:28,000
there is a genuine

6932
04:28:34,950 --> 04:28:33,439
enigma here that that they concede they

6933
04:28:36,429 --> 04:28:34,960
cannot explain

6934
04:28:39,910 --> 04:28:36,439
we've now got this

6935
04:28:41,670 --> 04:28:39,920
extraordinary gillibrand law which i i

6936
04:28:43,750 --> 04:28:41,680
take to bed at night and read in

6937
04:28:45,510 --> 04:28:43,760
disbelief you know

6938
04:28:48,630 --> 04:28:45,520
it's just amazing it's amazing to see

6939
04:28:50,469 --> 04:28:48,640
the words unidentified aerial phenomena

6940
04:28:52,950 --> 04:28:50,479
in a piece of legislation

6941
04:28:55,429 --> 04:28:52,960
that has now been ratified by your

6942
04:28:58,229 --> 04:28:55,439
parliament your congress it's such an

6943
04:29:00,149 --> 04:28:58,239
exciting time and i just i just guess i

6944
04:29:02,389 --> 04:29:00,159
i want to say

6945
04:29:04,950 --> 04:29:02,399
we've come an enormously long way here

6946
04:29:07,269 --> 04:29:04,960
we are so close to the anniversary

6947
04:29:08,870 --> 04:29:07,279
literally just one day on actually no

6948
04:29:09,590 --> 04:29:08,880
over your way it's the anniversary of

6949
04:29:17,429 --> 04:29:09,600
the

6950
04:29:18,950 --> 04:29:17,439
long way in four years it's quite

6951
04:29:20,469 --> 04:29:18,960
extraordinary if anybody had told me

6952
04:29:21,349 --> 04:29:20,479
when i first started looking at this

6953
04:29:23,429 --> 04:29:21,359
issue

6954
04:29:26,870 --> 04:29:23,439
that we were going to be talking about

6955
04:29:28,229 --> 04:29:26,880
legislation before the us congress that

6956
04:29:30,830 --> 04:29:28,239
stipulates

6957
04:29:33,349 --> 04:29:30,840
that uaps will be the subject of

6958
04:29:35,269 --> 04:29:33,359
investigation that and i mean wow some

6959
04:29:37,750 --> 04:29:35,279
of the stuff's great you know

6960
04:29:40,149 --> 04:29:37,760
an update they're requiring an update on

6961
04:29:43,670 --> 04:29:40,159
any efforts underway on the ability to

6962
04:29:46,790 --> 04:29:43,680
capture or exploit undiscovered aerial

6963
04:29:49,110 --> 04:29:46,800
phenomena an assessment of any health

6964
04:29:51,830 --> 04:29:49,120
related effects for individuals that

6965
04:29:52,950 --> 04:29:51,840
have accounted uaps

6966
04:29:57,590 --> 04:29:52,960
this is

6967
04:29:59,510 --> 04:29:57,600
important and significant and i'm i just

6968
04:30:02,149 --> 04:29:59,520
feel very privileged to be riding the

6969
04:30:04,229 --> 04:30:02,159
wave because as a journo there's only

6970
04:30:07,030 --> 04:30:04,239
one thing you hope for that what you're

6971
04:30:09,189 --> 04:30:07,040
running as a story is cutting edge that

6972
04:30:11,030 --> 04:30:09,199
it's it's ahead of the pack you want to

6973
04:30:11,910 --> 04:30:11,040
be the one that scoops everybody else

6974
04:30:14,229 --> 04:30:11,920
and

6975
04:30:16,630 --> 04:30:14,239
i take my hat off to all of you people

6976
04:30:18,870 --> 04:30:16,640
who've been doing such great work for so

6977
04:30:21,670 --> 04:30:18,880
many years to try and push

6978
04:30:23,670 --> 04:30:21,680
for transparency and push for disclosure

6979
04:30:36,309 --> 04:30:23,680
and all i'm doing is really

6980
04:30:39,269 --> 04:30:37,910
just wanted to

6981
04:30:40,950 --> 04:30:39,279
um

6982
04:30:43,189 --> 04:30:40,960
actually it's it's more of a statement i

6983
04:30:45,349 --> 04:30:43,199
just you know like the

6984
04:30:46,229 --> 04:30:45,359
excitement and the

6985
04:30:47,189 --> 04:30:46,239
um

6986
04:30:49,030 --> 04:30:47,199
yeah the

6987
04:30:50,309 --> 04:30:49,040
the breadth of excitement that that you

6988
04:30:54,070 --> 04:30:50,319
put into this

6989
04:30:55,269 --> 04:30:54,080
in what's happening right now makes it

6990
04:30:57,990 --> 04:30:55,279
so

6991
04:30:59,990 --> 04:30:58,000
easy to be excited about like i think we

6992
04:31:02,710 --> 04:31:00,000
we sometimes get lost in the the little

6993
04:31:05,030 --> 04:31:02,720
nuances of of what is it you know is

6994
04:31:07,750 --> 04:31:05,040
interdimensional e.t or

6995
04:31:10,550 --> 04:31:07,760
are they drones or are they hiding tech

6996
04:31:14,469 --> 04:31:10,560
or whatever this is or that is like

6997
04:31:15,269 --> 04:31:14,479
i appreciate how straightforward

6998
04:31:17,429 --> 04:31:15,279
and

6999
04:31:19,510 --> 04:31:17,439
you know direct you are with what is

7000
04:31:21,750 --> 04:31:19,520
actually happening and with excitement

7001
04:31:23,030 --> 04:31:21,760
because i feel like a lot of the times

7002
04:31:25,189 --> 04:31:23,040
um

7003
04:31:27,110 --> 04:31:25,199
ufo twitter just people in this world

7004
04:31:29,510 --> 04:31:27,120
kind of get lost with with

7005
04:31:31,189 --> 04:31:29,520
distractions so to speak and also if i

7006
04:31:32,309 --> 04:31:31,199
could interrupt there sean i apologize

7007
04:31:34,149 --> 04:31:32,319
for interrupting you there but if

7008
04:31:36,550 --> 04:31:34,159
there's one thing that breaks my heart

7009
04:31:39,189 --> 04:31:36,560
with ufo twitter is it eats its own

7010
04:31:42,469 --> 04:31:39,199
young you know it's it's just such a

7011
04:31:43,189 --> 04:31:42,479
[\h__\h] snide nasty sewer sometimes you

7012
04:31:47,910 --> 04:31:43,199
know

7013
04:31:50,469 --> 04:31:47,920
great amount of work all of you and

7014
04:31:52,550 --> 04:31:50,479
as an outsider looking in you're almost

7015
04:31:53,910 --> 04:31:52,560
as [\h__\h] as the mainstream media you

7016
04:31:56,070 --> 04:31:53,920
know you guys are

7017
04:31:58,950 --> 04:31:56,080
you guys are better than that seriously

7018
04:32:03,830 --> 04:32:01,110
you know i i think there's a lot to be

7019
04:32:05,590 --> 04:32:03,840
proud of and and i think here we are the

7020
04:32:07,750 --> 04:32:05,600
run-up to christmas it's one week to

7021
04:32:09,750 --> 04:32:07,760
christmas day

7022
04:32:11,189 --> 04:32:09,760
the sun's shining outside in my

7023
04:32:12,469 --> 04:32:11,199
beautiful part of the world it's a

7024
04:32:14,389 --> 04:32:12,479
gorgeous day

7025
04:32:17,990 --> 04:32:14,399
and i'm thinking there's a lot to be

7026
04:32:21,429 --> 04:32:18,000
optimistic about you know we now have

7027
04:32:23,990 --> 04:32:21,439
amazing stuff this is this is really

7028
04:32:24,710 --> 04:32:24,000
cool stuff that kirsten gillibrand and

7029
04:32:28,950 --> 04:32:24,720
uh

7030
04:32:30,870 --> 04:32:28,960
forgotten the other guy's name galago

7031
04:32:33,830 --> 04:32:30,880
have basically pushed through the senate

7032
04:32:35,429 --> 04:32:33,840
it's it's really exciting and i i guess

7033
04:32:37,750 --> 04:32:35,439
the most important thing is to keep the

7034
04:32:40,149 --> 04:32:37,760
pressure on to make sure that whatever

7035
04:32:42,710 --> 04:32:40,159
is declassified by the congress gives

7036
04:32:44,309 --> 04:32:42,720
the public what they need to know

7037
04:32:46,550 --> 04:32:44,319
ross i don't mean to burst your bubble

7038
04:32:49,110 --> 04:32:46,560
but i'm here in england it's not sunny

7039
04:32:49,910 --> 04:32:49,120
outside

7040
04:32:52,070 --> 04:32:49,920
um

7041
04:32:54,309 --> 04:32:52,080
listen yes it is incredible what we've

7042
04:32:56,870 --> 04:32:54,319
heard this this week with things passing

7043
04:32:58,630 --> 04:32:56,880
through the senate etc um but speaking

7044
04:33:00,830 --> 04:32:58,640
from someone within the five eyes

7045
04:33:04,310 --> 04:33:00,840
community myself in the uk you in

7046
04:33:06,390 --> 04:33:04,320
australia do you think in 2022 we're

7047
04:33:08,390 --> 04:33:06,400
going to play catch up have you heard

7048
04:33:10,789 --> 04:33:08,400
any inklings

7049
04:33:13,029 --> 04:33:10,799
well i noticed that in this legislation

7050
04:33:13,990 --> 04:33:13,039
there is a requirement on the united

7051
04:33:15,990 --> 04:33:14,000
states

7052
04:33:19,349 --> 04:33:16,000
intelligence and defense community to

7053
04:33:21,750 --> 04:33:19,359
consult with its five eyes allies

7054
04:33:24,070 --> 04:33:21,760
and it requires from the congress an

7055
04:33:26,949 --> 04:33:24,080
update on the coordination by the united

7056
04:33:30,310 --> 04:33:26,959
states with allies and partners on

7057
04:33:32,390 --> 04:33:30,320
efforts to track understand and address

7058
04:33:34,230 --> 04:33:32,400
an identified aerial phenomena and

7059
04:33:35,910 --> 04:33:34,240
that's really important because

7060
04:33:37,750 --> 04:33:35,920
mel hupfeld who's the head of our air

7061
04:33:38,789 --> 04:33:37,760
force here in australia he was asked a

7062
04:33:41,590 --> 04:33:38,799
question

7063
04:33:42,949 --> 04:33:41,600
in our senate a senate estimates hearing

7064
04:33:45,269 --> 04:33:42,959
which is like an oversight committee

7065
04:33:46,709 --> 04:33:45,279
hearing just a few weeks ago and mel's a

7066
04:33:48,470 --> 04:33:46,719
lovely bloke he's a straight arrow

7067
04:33:50,070 --> 04:33:48,480
fighter pilot former combat fighter

7068
04:33:51,269 --> 04:33:50,080
pilot in the middle east

7069
04:33:52,070 --> 04:33:51,279
and um

7070
04:33:54,070 --> 04:33:52,080
he's

7071
04:33:55,429 --> 04:33:54,080
you know i wouldn't say he ridiculed the

7072
04:33:57,510 --> 04:33:55,439
question but when he was asked a

7073
04:33:59,349 --> 04:33:57,520
question about it by a senator he

7074
04:34:01,269 --> 04:33:59,359
basically played down any suggestion

7075
04:34:03,990 --> 04:34:01,279
that there is any monitoring going on of

7076
04:34:05,029 --> 04:34:04,000
uaps inside our defense or intelligence

7077
04:34:09,269 --> 04:34:05,039
community

7078
04:34:10,390 --> 04:34:09,279
and it's funny because in the wake of

7079
04:34:12,310 --> 04:34:10,400
his

7080
04:34:13,830 --> 04:34:12,320
announcement to the senate i i did a

7081
04:34:15,990 --> 04:34:13,840
story that went to air on national

7082
04:34:18,949 --> 04:34:16,000
television we were kind of critical uh

7083
04:34:20,551 --> 04:34:18,959
we gave a greens senator an opportunity

7084
04:34:22,470 --> 04:34:20,561
to have a bit of a go at him and say

7085
04:34:23,910 --> 04:34:22,480
look you know seriously

7086
04:34:25,830 --> 04:34:23,920
we should be looking at this stuff you

7087
04:34:27,670 --> 04:34:25,840
know this is potentially a threat to

7088
04:34:29,590 --> 04:34:27,680
flight safety the united states has

7089
04:34:31,109 --> 04:34:29,600
conceded this is an issue why are we not

7090
04:34:32,789 --> 04:34:31,119
looking at this issue

7091
04:34:34,949 --> 04:34:32,799
and then my phone started ringing and

7092
04:34:36,310 --> 04:34:34,959
all my sources inside defence and

7093
04:34:38,470 --> 04:34:36,320
different parts of the intelligence

7094
04:34:40,070 --> 04:34:38,480
community started telling me oh my god

7095
04:34:42,150 --> 04:34:40,080
has a bomb gone off in our defense

7096
04:34:44,869 --> 04:34:42,160
department you know people now want to

7097
04:34:47,349 --> 04:34:44,879
know all about uaps and it's funny

7098
04:34:49,670 --> 04:34:47,359
because i'm i'm talking to people who

7099
04:34:52,230 --> 04:34:49,680
are aware i have to be careful here but

7100
04:34:54,551 --> 04:34:52,240
they're aware of the data stream between

7101
04:34:56,470 --> 04:34:54,561
the five eyes allies

7102
04:34:58,789 --> 04:34:56,480
about what's being reported

7103
04:35:00,629 --> 04:34:58,799
and and they've encouraged me i've just

7104
04:35:02,869 --> 04:35:00,639
recently come back from canberra the

7105
04:35:04,230 --> 04:35:02,879
capital of australia myself and i've had

7106
04:35:05,910 --> 04:35:04,240
meetings with a couple of people in

7107
04:35:08,629 --> 04:35:05,920
quiet cafes and

7108
04:35:11,269 --> 04:35:08,639
and they told me that that basically you

7109
04:35:13,029 --> 04:35:11,279
know there are intelligence reports

7110
04:35:15,510 --> 04:35:13,039
there are anomalous phenomena being

7111
04:35:17,830 --> 04:35:15,520
detected all the time by the different

7112
04:35:20,310 --> 04:35:17,840
sensor systems that australia operates

7113
04:35:21,750 --> 04:35:20,320
as an ally with the united states i mean

7114
04:35:23,590 --> 04:35:21,760
we are firmly

7115
04:35:25,429 --> 04:35:23,600
along with britain very much hand in

7116
04:35:27,830 --> 04:35:25,439
pocket with the united states in terms

7117
04:35:29,590 --> 04:35:27,840
of capabilities for monitoring

7118
04:35:30,629 --> 04:35:29,600
intercontinental ballistic missile

7119
04:35:32,629 --> 04:35:30,639
launches

7120
04:35:34,629 --> 04:35:32,639
early warning satellite

7121
04:35:36,551 --> 04:35:34,639
systems you know telemetry monitoring

7122
04:35:37,670 --> 04:35:36,561
systems that can pick up electronic

7123
04:35:40,070 --> 04:35:37,680
emissions

7124
04:35:42,470 --> 04:35:40,080
um we've got this brand new space

7125
04:35:44,551 --> 04:35:42,480
telescope that's based out at exmouth in

7126
04:35:46,789 --> 04:35:44,561
north west cape in australia

7127
04:35:48,949 --> 04:35:46,799
and so a lot of that data is being fed

7128
04:35:51,189 --> 04:35:48,959
back simultaneously in a real-time

7129
04:35:52,869 --> 04:35:51,199
stream to the united states

7130
04:35:54,789 --> 04:35:52,879
and ironically some of the early

7131
04:35:56,629 --> 04:35:54,799
breakthroughs that i had on this story

7132
04:35:58,709 --> 04:35:56,639
were from scientists and

7133
04:36:01,029 --> 04:35:58,719
people who are working monitoring those

7134
04:36:02,789 --> 04:36:01,039
data streams and they laughed when i

7135
04:36:05,029 --> 04:36:02,799
said to them look you know my government

7136
04:36:07,029 --> 04:36:05,039
tells me it's not interested in uaps and

7137
04:36:08,470 --> 04:36:07,039
they they said well your government

7138
04:36:09,830 --> 04:36:08,480
might not be but we're sure as hell

7139
04:36:11,830 --> 04:36:09,840
getting a lot of data from your

7140
04:36:13,349 --> 04:36:11,840
government and you know a lot of people

7141
04:36:15,910 --> 04:36:13,359
a lot of people are working on this

7142
04:36:17,349 --> 04:36:15,920
stuff uh in australia and mate it's the

7143
04:36:19,670 --> 04:36:17,359
same vinny over in your part of the

7144
04:36:22,150 --> 04:36:19,680
woods um you know yeah we

7145
04:36:23,990 --> 04:36:22,160
i i was just gonna say

7146
04:36:26,230 --> 04:36:24,000
the question was asked in the last week

7147
04:36:28,869 --> 04:36:26,240
whether the mod were aware of the or

7148
04:36:31,269 --> 04:36:28,879
have seen the full uap tf report from

7149
04:36:33,670 --> 04:36:31,279
june 25th the full report the classified

7150
04:36:36,230 --> 04:36:33,680
version and they said no they hadn't but

7151
04:36:37,990 --> 04:36:36,240
it's become apparent that gchq have seen

7152
04:36:40,390 --> 04:36:38,000
or had access

7153
04:36:42,470 --> 04:36:40,400
to that report now there seems to be

7154
04:36:43,670 --> 04:36:42,480
some miscommunication between those

7155
04:36:46,390 --> 04:36:43,680
departments

7156
04:36:48,789 --> 04:36:46,400
yeah can i tell you i i i know i've

7157
04:36:51,830 --> 04:36:48,799
spoken to people in australia and i know

7158
04:36:53,750 --> 04:36:51,840
people in the uk in gchq and your

7159
04:36:55,910 --> 04:36:53,760
equivalent of the nisa

7160
04:36:58,390 --> 04:36:55,920
who have read the full

7161
04:37:01,269 --> 04:36:58,400
uncle the full classified version of the

7162
04:37:03,349 --> 04:37:01,279
uap report it was originally a no-form

7163
04:37:05,670 --> 04:37:03,359
document noforn which is a

7164
04:37:07,109 --> 04:37:05,680
classification that limits

7165
04:37:09,990 --> 04:37:07,119
oversight to

7166
04:37:12,310 --> 04:37:10,000
american citizens but apparently

7167
04:37:15,029 --> 04:37:12,320
as a result funnily enough of this

7168
04:37:17,189 --> 04:37:15,039
legislation because they want allies now

7169
04:37:19,189 --> 04:37:17,199
to be aware of their interest in this

7170
04:37:21,910 --> 04:37:19,199
the the full

7171
04:37:23,750 --> 04:37:21,920
report the full classified report has

7172
04:37:24,709 --> 04:37:23,760
been made available to all the five eyes

7173
04:37:27,750 --> 04:37:24,719
partners

7174
04:37:29,269 --> 04:37:27,760
and i've got friends who work in

7175
04:37:31,349 --> 04:37:29,279
senior levels in

7176
04:37:32,949 --> 04:37:31,359
the political side of ministerial

7177
04:37:34,390 --> 04:37:32,959
advisory roles in defence and

7178
04:37:35,990 --> 04:37:34,400
intelligence and i'm going to be getting

7179
04:37:38,551 --> 04:37:36,000
onto them in the new year and asking

7180
04:37:41,429 --> 04:37:38,561
them you know is your minister being

7181
04:37:43,109 --> 04:37:41,439
briefed on this and if not why not

7182
04:37:45,910 --> 04:37:43,119
sure

7183
04:37:49,750 --> 04:37:47,269
good to hear

7184
04:37:52,470 --> 04:37:49,760
absolutely beautiful um ross it's great

7185
04:37:55,670 --> 04:37:52,480
to see you i i had a quick question um

7186
04:37:58,709 --> 04:37:55,680
you know uh your new podcasting co-host

7187
04:38:01,109 --> 04:37:58,719
bryce sable on his on his

7188
04:38:02,551 --> 04:38:01,119
uh medium recently uh there was an

7189
04:38:03,429 --> 04:38:02,561
article about

7190
04:38:06,629 --> 04:38:03,439
how

7191
04:38:08,949 --> 04:38:06,639
uh ufo bloggers ufology bloggers have

7192
04:38:11,590 --> 04:38:08,959
been scooping the mainstream media a bit

7193
04:38:13,109 --> 04:38:11,600
and um given your position and given

7194
04:38:14,869 --> 04:38:13,119
your heft and things like that i'm

7195
04:38:16,629 --> 04:38:14,879
wondering um

7196
04:38:18,949 --> 04:38:16,639
you know you've come into this field

7197
04:38:21,349 --> 04:38:18,959
with such gusto within the last few

7198
04:38:24,629 --> 04:38:21,359
years with your book and whatnot i'm

7199
04:38:27,029 --> 04:38:24,639
wondering if you have any advice for for

7200
04:38:28,230 --> 04:38:27,039
the rest of us in terms of uh you know

7201
04:38:29,670 --> 04:38:28,240
sean's been

7202
04:38:32,150 --> 04:38:29,680
recently writing articles we're gonna

7203
04:38:34,869 --> 04:38:32,160
have christopher sharp on later that has

7204
04:38:37,109 --> 04:38:34,879
also been doing that and you know plenty

7205
04:38:39,750 --> 04:38:37,119
of others as well so especially within

7206
04:38:41,910 --> 04:38:39,760
the realm of secrecy maybe but just in

7207
04:38:44,230 --> 04:38:41,920
in terms of like given your history in

7208
04:38:47,910 --> 04:38:44,240
general i'd love to hear some advice

7209
04:38:51,429 --> 04:38:47,920
okay i i think the role that is being

7210
04:38:53,830 --> 04:38:51,439
played on podcasts particularly but also

7211
04:38:56,230 --> 04:38:53,840
all of the social media that that is

7212
04:38:58,629 --> 04:38:56,240
putting out stuff about uaps is filling

7213
04:39:01,189 --> 04:38:58,639
a hole that the mainstream media is

7214
04:39:03,670 --> 04:39:01,199
failing on there is a chronic

7215
04:39:04,629 --> 04:39:03,680
failure jay here with the mainstream

7216
04:39:07,189 --> 04:39:04,639
media

7217
04:39:09,269 --> 04:39:07,199
i mean the new york times my good friend

7218
04:39:10,869 --> 04:39:09,279
leslie kane and ralph blumenthal you

7219
04:39:13,109 --> 04:39:10,879
know they've done wonderful work but

7220
04:39:15,269 --> 04:39:13,119
here we are four years on

7221
04:39:17,590 --> 04:39:15,279
the ndia the national defence

7222
04:39:20,709 --> 04:39:17,600
appropriations act has passed

7223
04:39:22,789 --> 04:39:20,719
the congress making uh absolutely

7224
04:39:24,949 --> 04:39:22,799
groundbreaking decision

7225
04:39:28,470 --> 04:39:24,959
about requirements for transparency on

7226
04:39:30,869 --> 04:39:28,480
uaps and this has not been yet recorded

7227
04:39:31,750 --> 04:39:30,879
as a matter of fact by the new york

7228
04:39:34,150 --> 04:39:31,760
times

7229
04:39:35,109 --> 04:39:34,160
the great newspaper of record what's

7230
04:39:36,470 --> 04:39:35,119
going on

7231
04:39:39,110 --> 04:39:36,480
why have they suddenly developed a

7232
04:39:42,230 --> 04:39:39,120
timidity with the subject matter

7233
04:39:44,070 --> 04:39:42,240
i i find it perplexing because

7234
04:39:46,230 --> 04:39:44,080
my sources

7235
04:39:47,910 --> 04:39:46,240
i suspect i don't know for sure but i

7236
04:39:49,910 --> 04:39:47,920
suspect they're talking to some of the

7237
04:39:51,030 --> 04:39:49,920
people at the new york times and and i

7238
04:39:53,030 --> 04:39:51,040
know

7239
04:39:55,030 --> 04:39:53,040
there's an awareness that this is an

7240
04:39:57,750 --> 04:39:55,040
issue that that certain people in the

7241
04:39:58,948 --> 04:39:57,760
u.s national security establishment want

7242
04:40:01,030 --> 04:39:58,958
told

7243
04:40:03,270 --> 04:40:01,040
they want this disgust

7244
04:40:06,070 --> 04:40:03,280
and and so why is there this reticence

7245
04:40:08,390 --> 04:40:06,080
by mainstream media and look frankly jay

7246
04:40:10,708 --> 04:40:08,400
i think it goes back to

7247
04:40:13,030 --> 04:40:10,718
the vestigial

7248
04:40:15,350 --> 04:40:13,040
fear of ridicule

7249
04:40:17,670 --> 04:40:15,360
uh people don't realize and this was the

7250
04:40:20,230 --> 04:40:17,680
revelation for me as a journalist just

7251
04:40:22,868 --> 04:40:20,240
to go back and look at i mean the thing

7252
04:40:25,270 --> 04:40:22,878
i love about america god bless you guys

7253
04:40:27,670 --> 04:40:25,280
you know you you're so open i mean the

7254
04:40:29,430 --> 04:40:27,680
the the the places that you and i come

7255
04:40:31,830 --> 04:40:29,440
from vinnie you know

7256
04:40:34,868 --> 04:40:31,840
british and australian bureaucrats we

7257
04:40:37,750 --> 04:40:34,878
just censor everything you know even the

7258
04:40:41,510 --> 04:40:37,760
the menu in the cafeteria in the the in

7259
04:40:43,190 --> 04:40:41,520
the gchq and our asd you know that would

7260
04:40:45,350 --> 04:40:43,200
be classified it would be a national

7261
04:40:47,430 --> 04:40:45,360
secret i'd go to jail i mean we have

7262
04:40:49,830 --> 04:40:47,440
ridiculous laws in this country now

7263
04:40:52,150 --> 04:40:49,840
which basically say if you come into

7264
04:40:54,470 --> 04:40:52,160
possession of information that might

7265
04:40:56,070 --> 04:40:54,480
pertain to a national security secret

7266
04:40:58,070 --> 04:40:56,080
you have to check with our government

7267
04:41:01,110 --> 04:40:58,080
first before you're allowed to run it

7268
04:41:03,030 --> 04:41:01,120
and it's similar in the uk and so the

7269
04:41:04,788 --> 04:41:03,040
thing that really blew me away when i

7270
04:41:07,830 --> 04:41:04,798
started looking at the subject matter

7271
04:41:10,788 --> 04:41:07,840
was the history and this has been where

7272
04:41:13,590 --> 04:41:10,798
the social media role played by ufo

7273
04:41:15,910 --> 04:41:13,600
twitter the podcasts different

7274
04:41:18,788 --> 04:41:15,920
places like reddit facebook

7275
04:41:20,628 --> 04:41:18,798
the web there's been fantastic work done

7276
04:41:22,310 --> 04:41:20,638
the work that you're doing sean is just

7277
04:41:24,230 --> 04:41:22,320
extraordinary

7278
04:41:26,868 --> 04:41:24,240
bringing to light the evidence the

7279
04:41:29,510 --> 04:41:26,878
historical evidence to show that this is

7280
04:41:32,390 --> 04:41:29,520
not a subject that has always been

7281
04:41:36,150 --> 04:41:32,400
ridiculed and derided by

7282
04:41:39,670 --> 04:41:36,160
officialdom i mean roscoe hillenkotter

7283
04:41:41,990 --> 04:41:39,680
the founding director of the cia

7284
04:41:44,868 --> 04:41:42,000
clearly became privy to something while

7285
04:41:47,430 --> 04:41:44,878
he was in service because in 1960 as my

7286
04:41:49,910 --> 04:41:47,440
friend bryce zabel discusses in our need

7287
04:41:51,830 --> 04:41:49,920
to know podcast he talks about the fact

7288
04:41:54,070 --> 04:41:51,840
in this letter to the new york times

7289
04:41:55,830 --> 04:41:54,080
roscoe helencotter admiral roscoe

7290
04:41:57,990 --> 04:41:55,840
hillenkotter one of the most senior

7291
04:42:00,628 --> 04:41:58,000
people to come out of the u.s national

7292
04:42:02,948 --> 04:42:00,638
security establishment in that era wrote

7293
04:42:05,110 --> 04:42:02,958
to the new york times basically saying

7294
04:42:07,590 --> 04:42:05,120
that the united states government was

7295
04:42:10,390 --> 04:42:07,600
not being candid with the american

7296
04:42:12,948 --> 04:42:10,400
public about what it knew

7297
04:42:15,670 --> 04:42:12,958
and clearly what happened was in the

7298
04:42:18,390 --> 04:42:15,680
1960s right through to that moment at

7299
04:42:20,230 --> 04:42:18,400
the end of project blue book literally

7300
04:42:23,510 --> 04:42:20,240
50 years ago

7301
04:42:26,788 --> 04:42:23,520
a half a century ago a decision was made

7302
04:42:29,990 --> 04:42:26,798
to shut down this issue

7303
04:42:32,470 --> 04:42:30,000
and the best way to neutralize media

7304
04:42:34,708 --> 04:42:32,480
is to ridicule something is to make the

7305
04:42:37,110 --> 04:42:34,718
media uncertain about whether or not

7306
04:42:39,590 --> 04:42:37,120
something is a legitimate issue or not

7307
04:42:43,030 --> 04:42:39,600
and it's done such a good job it's put a

7308
04:42:45,030 --> 04:42:43,040
ring fence around the subject of ufos

7309
04:42:46,788 --> 04:42:45,040
any time in my career as a younger

7310
04:42:48,948 --> 04:42:46,798
journalist when i raised the subject

7311
04:42:50,868 --> 04:42:48,958
matter of ufos

7312
04:42:53,270 --> 04:42:50,878
you know unidentified objects and ask

7313
04:42:56,628 --> 04:42:53,280
guys with editors or executive producers

7314
04:42:59,830 --> 04:42:56,638
of tv programs they'd normally giggle

7315
04:43:01,910 --> 04:42:59,840
they'd be this kind of reball chuckle

7316
04:43:03,910 --> 04:43:01,920
and then they'd go roscoe is this

7317
04:43:06,788 --> 04:43:03,920
another one of your tinfoil hat crazy

7318
04:43:08,868 --> 04:43:06,798
stories and i'd go but but the

7319
04:43:10,470 --> 04:43:08,878
historical evidence is there this is a

7320
04:43:13,350 --> 04:43:10,480
real phenomenon

7321
04:43:16,150 --> 04:43:13,360
and now i can say that with absolute

7322
04:43:18,628 --> 04:43:16,160
certainty and and this is again a key

7323
04:43:20,708 --> 04:43:18,638
mainstream media failure

7324
04:43:22,390 --> 04:43:20,718
they have failed to put it on the

7325
04:43:24,708 --> 04:43:22,400
historical record

7326
04:43:27,830 --> 04:43:24,718
properly and to to maintain the

7327
04:43:30,948 --> 04:43:27,840
significance of the admissions made by

7328
04:43:33,350 --> 04:43:30,958
the pentagon but it cannot explain these

7329
04:43:35,590 --> 04:43:33,360
anomalous videos and many other videos

7330
04:43:37,510 --> 04:43:35,600
that haven't been released which the us

7331
04:43:39,670 --> 04:43:37,520
navy and other sections of the military

7332
04:43:41,670 --> 04:43:39,680
and intelligence services have recorded

7333
04:43:44,470 --> 04:43:41,680
and it's not just videos guys some of

7334
04:43:45,590 --> 04:43:44,480
the most important data is telemetry

7335
04:43:51,670 --> 04:43:45,600
data

7336
04:43:53,670 --> 04:43:51,680
this gillibrand legislation is so

7337
04:43:55,350 --> 04:43:53,680
important because

7338
04:43:57,030 --> 04:43:55,360
people like chris mellon and luis

7339
04:43:58,868 --> 04:43:57,040
elizondo when they were pushing for this

7340
04:44:02,070 --> 04:43:58,878
legislation they really did their

7341
04:44:03,510 --> 04:44:02,080
homework and so there's a requirement

7342
04:44:06,230 --> 04:44:03,520
that um

7343
04:44:07,270 --> 04:44:06,240
that the congress report back

7344
04:44:09,110 --> 04:44:07,280
on

7345
04:44:11,110 --> 04:44:09,120
the signals intelligence you know that

7346
04:44:12,788 --> 04:44:11,120
the key intelligence agencies that are

7347
04:44:14,948 --> 04:44:12,798
actually roped in

7348
04:44:19,190 --> 04:44:14,958
by the congress now as a result of this

7349
04:44:21,030 --> 04:44:19,200
legislation to report on uaps

7350
04:44:23,670 --> 04:44:21,040
they include

7351
04:44:24,788 --> 04:44:23,680
i'm just finding them for you

7352
04:44:26,470 --> 04:44:24,798
um

7353
04:44:27,910 --> 04:44:26,480
you know essentially

7354
04:44:28,628 --> 04:44:27,920
i've got a good question for you after

7355
04:44:30,948 --> 04:44:28,638
this

7356
04:44:33,430 --> 04:44:30,958
yeah yeah yeah but essentially it's it's

7357
04:44:35,350 --> 04:44:33,440
it's it's it's basically all of the

7358
04:44:36,788 --> 04:44:35,360
agencies that some of which the

7359
04:44:38,550 --> 04:44:36,798
existence of which weren't even known

7360
04:44:40,550 --> 04:44:38,560
until very recently the national

7361
04:44:43,510 --> 04:44:40,560
reconnaissance organization

7362
04:44:45,750 --> 04:44:43,520
um the national oceanographic institute

7363
04:44:48,550 --> 04:44:45,760
you know why why would they be asking

7364
04:44:52,470 --> 04:44:48,560
the noaa to be about providing

7365
04:44:54,070 --> 04:44:52,480
information about uaps what do they know

7366
04:44:55,750 --> 04:44:54,080
they don't know

7367
04:44:58,070 --> 04:44:55,760
they know something they have they put

7368
04:44:59,350 --> 04:44:58,080
together that uh fine report on

7369
04:45:01,990 --> 04:44:59,360
lakenheath

7370
04:45:04,390 --> 04:45:02,000
um oh yeah that was that was really

7371
04:45:07,430 --> 04:45:04,400
juicy for sure but i wanted benji to get

7372
04:45:09,590 --> 04:45:07,440
a question in here first yeah benji is

7373
04:45:11,750 --> 04:45:09,600
uh ross just so you know benji's the one

7374
04:45:14,708 --> 04:45:11,760
that kind of keeps us all upstanding

7375
04:45:17,430 --> 04:45:14,718
he's been a fan like promoting our shows

7376
04:45:19,670 --> 04:45:17,440
constantly he doesn't have his own show

7377
04:45:21,910 --> 04:45:19,680
um and vinnie and i wanted to surprise

7378
04:45:24,868 --> 04:45:21,920
him as being a co-host so he could you

7379
04:45:26,868 --> 04:45:24,878
know meet some people like yourself so

7380
04:45:28,868 --> 04:45:26,878
um i i want to make sure

7381
04:45:30,708 --> 04:45:28,878
good to meet you benji good to meet you

7382
04:45:32,070 --> 04:45:30,718
too man i i just want to say i've been

7383
04:45:33,910 --> 04:45:32,080
following your interviews for a couple

7384
04:45:36,470 --> 04:45:33,920
months and like it's it's really awesome

7385
04:45:38,230 --> 04:45:36,480
to see somebody i guess in mainstream

7386
04:45:39,990 --> 04:45:38,240
journalism you know that is actually

7387
04:45:41,830 --> 04:45:40,000
covering this stuff and pushing past the

7388
04:45:44,310 --> 04:45:41,840
stigmas that you just talked about you

7389
04:45:45,830 --> 04:45:44,320
know um i guess

7390
04:45:47,110 --> 04:45:45,840
i got a lot of questions but i guess my

7391
04:45:48,390 --> 04:45:47,120
biggest one

7392
04:45:50,070 --> 04:45:48,400
i know for a fact you've done your

7393
04:45:51,030 --> 04:45:50,080
homework um

7394
04:45:52,390 --> 04:45:51,040
you know

7395
04:45:53,430 --> 04:45:52,400
i've been listening to a lot as i

7396
04:45:55,750 --> 04:45:53,440
mentioned but

7397
04:45:57,590 --> 04:45:55,760
if if somebody like me

7398
04:46:01,350 --> 04:45:57,600
was told the things that you've been

7399
04:46:05,270 --> 04:46:03,270
ah um

7400
04:46:07,990 --> 04:46:05,280
i i lie in bed at night and think about

7401
04:46:09,750 --> 04:46:08,000
the implications of what i've been told

7402
04:46:11,430 --> 04:46:09,760
and the problem that i have to be honest

7403
04:46:13,110 --> 04:46:11,440
with you is i don't know what to think

7404
04:46:14,868 --> 04:46:13,120
because some people tell me different

7405
04:46:16,310 --> 04:46:14,878
things

7406
04:46:18,230 --> 04:46:16,320
you know some of it must be

7407
04:46:19,990 --> 04:46:18,240
disinformation

7408
04:46:22,550 --> 04:46:20,000
and this is something i'm very wise to

7409
04:46:24,788 --> 04:46:22,560
as a journalist i've been lied to before

7410
04:46:26,470 --> 04:46:24,798
i did a big expose once and this has

7411
04:46:28,868 --> 04:46:26,480
been quite helpful for me in terms of

7412
04:46:31,030 --> 04:46:28,878
facilitating access to people in your

7413
04:46:33,350 --> 04:46:31,040
intelligence services i did a big expose

7414
04:46:34,470 --> 04:46:33,360
about a

7415
04:46:37,510 --> 04:46:34,480
cia

7416
04:46:39,270 --> 04:46:37,520
run bank called the nougat hand bank

7417
04:46:40,788 --> 04:46:39,280
that was set up here in australia in the

7418
04:46:43,110 --> 04:46:40,798
1970s

7419
04:46:45,030 --> 04:46:43,120
and it was run by a former green beret

7420
04:46:47,030 --> 04:46:45,040
called michael hand

7421
04:46:48,788 --> 04:46:47,040
and he linked up with a businessman

7422
04:46:51,590 --> 04:46:48,798
called frank neugen

7423
04:46:53,910 --> 04:46:51,600
and frank's body was found dead on a

7424
04:46:55,830 --> 04:46:53,920
highway in the middle of nowhere and far

7425
04:46:58,470 --> 04:46:55,840
western new south wales

7426
04:47:01,510 --> 04:46:58,480
quite a number of years ago in the 1970s

7427
04:47:03,910 --> 04:47:01,520
in very mysterious circumstances

7428
04:47:06,390 --> 04:47:03,920
an apparent suicide

7429
04:47:07,350 --> 04:47:06,400
and michael michael hand disappeared

7430
04:47:10,150 --> 04:47:07,360
and

7431
04:47:11,910 --> 04:47:10,160
a really clever fellow here in australia

7432
04:47:13,750 --> 04:47:11,920
who did the ground work i would love to

7433
04:47:16,230 --> 04:47:13,760
be able to claim the credit for this but

7434
04:47:18,310 --> 04:47:16,240
the guy called peter butt who's a very

7435
04:47:20,470 --> 04:47:18,320
good investigative filmmaker

7436
04:47:22,708 --> 04:47:20,480
he decided to try and solve the mystery

7437
04:47:24,788 --> 04:47:22,718
of what happened to

7438
04:47:26,868 --> 04:47:24,798
michael hand the former green beret

7439
04:47:28,868 --> 04:47:26,878
former intelligence operative and

7440
04:47:30,470 --> 04:47:28,878
hand disappeared basically into the

7441
04:47:31,990 --> 04:47:30,480
protection of the cia

7442
04:47:33,670 --> 04:47:32,000
and

7443
04:47:36,390 --> 04:47:33,680
peter to his great credit discovered

7444
04:47:38,310 --> 04:47:36,400
files inside our federal police that he

7445
04:47:39,110 --> 04:47:38,320
managed to get declassified which showed

7446
04:47:41,430 --> 04:47:39,120
that

7447
04:47:44,230 --> 04:47:41,440
when the contras were being trained by

7448
04:47:46,550 --> 04:47:44,240
the cia in central america during the

7449
04:47:49,590 --> 04:47:46,560
period of conflict with the sandinista

7450
04:47:51,510 --> 04:47:49,600
nicaraguan socialist regime the cia was

7451
04:47:54,150 --> 04:47:51,520
running a campaign and he was one of the

7452
04:47:55,670 --> 04:47:54,160
trainers so this guy fled australia goes

7453
04:47:58,390 --> 04:47:55,680
off to work

7454
04:48:00,628 --> 04:47:58,400
in central south america for the cia

7455
04:48:02,868 --> 04:48:00,638
and he's clearly being protected and the

7456
04:48:04,150 --> 04:48:02,878
short of it was we found him eventually

7457
04:48:05,510 --> 04:48:04,160
in

7458
04:48:07,670 --> 04:48:05,520
idaho

7459
04:48:09,670 --> 04:48:07,680
under a new name running of all things a

7460
04:48:11,430 --> 04:48:09,680
knife factory and

7461
04:48:14,470 --> 04:48:11,440
we confronted him and

7462
04:48:16,070 --> 04:48:14,480
did the story for 60 minutes australia

7463
04:48:18,948 --> 04:48:16,080
and in the course of all of that i

7464
04:48:20,550 --> 04:48:18,958
became aware just from numerous cia

7465
04:48:22,788 --> 04:48:20,560
contacts who were helping me and people

7466
04:48:25,670 --> 04:48:22,798
in the american intelligence community i

7467
04:48:27,910 --> 04:48:25,680
became aware of just how

7468
04:48:30,310 --> 04:48:27,920
intelligence works in the united states

7469
04:48:33,110 --> 04:48:30,320
i mean we we don't have intelligence

7470
04:48:35,990 --> 04:48:33,120
operatives like you guys do you know you

7471
04:48:38,708 --> 04:48:36,000
you've run cold war operations for years

7472
04:48:41,110 --> 04:48:38,718
in a way that just blows my mind and you

7473
04:48:42,868 --> 04:48:41,120
know there are people who've done

7474
04:48:45,510 --> 04:48:42,878
incredible things some of them quite

7475
04:48:47,510 --> 04:48:45,520
wicked uh in the name of protecting

7476
04:48:50,708 --> 04:48:47,520
freedom and democracy

7477
04:48:52,948 --> 04:48:50,718
and i got plugged into that network of

7478
04:48:54,550 --> 04:48:52,958
people and what interested me was way

7479
04:48:56,788 --> 04:48:54,560
back then that was

7480
04:48:58,550 --> 04:48:56,798
five to seven years ago

7481
04:49:02,550 --> 04:48:58,560
a couple of them started talking to me

7482
04:49:03,830 --> 04:49:02,560
about uaps about ufos and i freely admit

7483
04:49:05,750 --> 04:49:03,840
i giggled

7484
04:49:07,990 --> 04:49:05,760
benji i just thought it was hilarious

7485
04:49:10,150 --> 04:49:08,000
that somebody was encouraging me from

7486
04:49:11,350 --> 04:49:10,160
the spook community in america to look

7487
04:49:12,628 --> 04:49:11,360
at this issue

7488
04:49:14,628 --> 04:49:12,638
you know that's another question that i

7489
04:49:16,270 --> 04:49:14,638
had for you actually is if you've

7490
04:49:19,110 --> 04:49:16,280
already slow down

7491
04:49:23,510 --> 04:49:19,120
[Laughter]

7492
04:49:26,550 --> 04:49:24,788
i got something i got something i want

7493
04:49:27,590 --> 04:49:26,560
to throw at ross that's not been put to

7494
04:49:29,830 --> 04:49:27,600
him yet

7495
04:49:31,910 --> 04:49:29,840
so give me a chance after benji though

7496
04:49:34,070 --> 04:49:31,920
benji and chris well we'll roll the dice

7497
04:49:37,270 --> 04:49:34,080
if you know your ads are even okay i

7498
04:49:39,190 --> 04:49:37,280
like that man i'm just kidding

7499
04:49:40,788 --> 04:49:39,200
no that's um i was just going to say

7500
04:49:42,550 --> 04:49:40,798
have you encountered anybody that has

7501
04:49:44,310 --> 04:49:42,560
actually come up and tried to get you to

7502
04:49:47,590 --> 04:49:44,320
not pursue this

7503
04:49:51,910 --> 04:49:50,708
i've been fed disinformation i've become

7504
04:49:53,910 --> 04:49:51,920
aware of

7505
04:49:55,670 --> 04:49:53,920
people when i check them out they're

7506
04:49:57,510 --> 04:49:55,680
telling me lies

7507
04:49:59,110 --> 04:49:57,520
and

7508
04:50:01,110 --> 04:49:59,120
it's interesting because

7509
04:50:02,868 --> 04:50:01,120
i'm getting some audio feedback i think

7510
04:50:04,948 --> 04:50:02,878
somebody's got a mic open i'm getting

7511
04:50:06,550 --> 04:50:04,958
the sound of my voice coming back if

7512
04:50:08,948 --> 04:50:06,560
somebody's got a mic open ah that was

7513
04:50:10,550 --> 04:50:08,958
you benji sorry mate

7514
04:50:12,150 --> 04:50:10,560
oh no i don't know it's somebody it's

7515
04:50:13,750 --> 04:50:12,160
still happening but look it's okay uh

7516
04:50:15,510 --> 04:50:13,760
but look the um

7517
04:50:19,030 --> 04:50:15,520
yeah the the worst thing that's happened

7518
04:50:20,948 --> 04:50:19,040
to me is um disinformation i i i've got

7519
04:50:22,788 --> 04:50:20,958
people whom i suspect have deliberately

7520
04:50:25,430 --> 04:50:22,798
lied to me or misrepresented their

7521
04:50:26,708 --> 04:50:25,440
positions um misrepresented the role

7522
04:50:27,830 --> 04:50:26,718
that they play

7523
04:50:30,150 --> 04:50:27,840
and i don't know whether they're just

7524
04:50:32,868 --> 04:50:30,160
doing it for kicks because they like

7525
04:50:35,030 --> 04:50:32,878
misleading a journalist or or um you

7526
04:50:37,110 --> 04:50:35,040
know manipulating somebody

7527
04:50:38,550 --> 04:50:37,120
but uh that that's what i've come across

7528
04:50:40,550 --> 04:50:38,560
i haven't come across anybody trying to

7529
04:50:42,150 --> 04:50:40,560
stop me and in fact i'll be honest with

7530
04:50:45,110 --> 04:50:42,160
you um

7531
04:50:47,030 --> 04:50:45,120
i i think people would be

7532
04:50:49,750 --> 04:50:47,040
amazed if they knew

7533
04:50:51,830 --> 04:50:49,760
if i could reveal my sources you know

7534
04:50:52,948 --> 04:50:51,840
there are some really good well-known

7535
04:50:55,590 --> 04:50:52,958
people

7536
04:50:57,270 --> 04:50:55,600
who are facilitating my understanding of

7537
04:50:58,390 --> 04:50:57,280
the issue as a mainstream media

7538
04:51:01,430 --> 04:50:58,400
journalist

7539
04:51:03,670 --> 04:51:01,440
who want to engage with mainstream media

7540
04:51:06,150 --> 04:51:03,680
and and who are i think somewhat bemused

7541
04:51:07,190 --> 04:51:06,160
and puzzled that that mainstream media

7542
04:51:09,590 --> 04:51:07,200
is kind of

7543
04:51:11,270 --> 04:51:09,600
timid and stepping back and and

7544
04:51:13,830 --> 04:51:11,280
frightened of engaging

7545
04:51:16,550 --> 04:51:13,840
um i i think if the new york times or

7546
04:51:19,350 --> 04:51:16,560
the washington post or the los angeles

7547
04:51:21,190 --> 04:51:19,360
times or cnn or fox news i think fox

7548
04:51:23,670 --> 04:51:21,200
news is doing it a bit but if somebody

7549
04:51:24,868 --> 04:51:23,680
devoted investigative resources to

7550
04:51:27,430 --> 04:51:24,878
actually

7551
04:51:29,830 --> 04:51:27,440
asking questions and digging

7552
04:51:34,070 --> 04:51:29,840
i reckon you'd start breaking this open

7553
04:51:38,070 --> 04:51:36,390
that's great awesome awesome

7554
04:51:40,390 --> 04:51:38,080
keep kicking ass for us we're just going

7555
04:51:42,550 --> 04:51:40,400
to keep throwing them at you um

7556
04:51:44,788 --> 04:51:42,560
next person i got is mr christopher

7557
04:51:46,550 --> 04:51:44,798
sharp he's got a website liberation

7558
04:51:49,110 --> 04:51:46,560
times um

7559
04:51:49,910 --> 04:51:49,120
he's just kicking ass and taking names

7560
04:51:52,070 --> 04:51:49,920
so

7561
04:51:53,030 --> 04:51:52,080
um chris first of all welcome to the

7562
04:51:54,708 --> 04:51:53,040
show

7563
04:51:57,030 --> 04:51:54,718
hello hello to everyone thank you for

7564
04:51:59,430 --> 04:51:57,040
having me on it's called an absolute

7565
04:52:02,390 --> 04:51:59,440
privilege you're you're such a hero and

7566
04:52:04,868 --> 04:52:02,400
you've done such a remarkable job um an

7567
04:52:07,670 --> 04:52:04,878
amateur writer like me looks up to

7568
04:52:11,350 --> 04:52:07,680
someone like you um so

7569
04:52:14,550 --> 04:52:11,360
thank you i feel a little bit starstruck

7570
04:52:17,750 --> 04:52:14,560
um so yeah it was such a pleasure to um

7571
04:52:21,190 --> 04:52:19,670
uh chris i actually retweeted something

7572
04:52:22,628 --> 04:52:21,200
from the liberation times the other day

7573
04:52:24,390 --> 04:52:22,638
actually i think your new service is

7574
04:52:26,230 --> 04:52:24,400
actually quite a um

7575
04:52:27,510 --> 04:52:26,240
uh you know quite a breakthrough i have

7576
04:52:29,430 --> 04:52:27,520
to admit i've been reading your stuff

7577
04:52:32,550 --> 04:52:29,440
for a while and in australia the

7578
04:52:34,628 --> 04:52:32,560
liberation times used to be a far-left

7579
04:52:36,550 --> 04:52:34,638
socialist news weekly and so i was

7580
04:52:38,390 --> 04:52:36,560
intensely suspicious when i first saw it

7581
04:52:40,948 --> 04:52:38,400
i was i was waiting for you to start

7582
04:52:42,708 --> 04:52:40,958
sort of peddling you know the the uh

7583
04:52:44,470 --> 04:52:42,718
the redistribution of wealth and the you

7584
04:52:46,070 --> 04:52:44,480
know the communist manifesto but then i

7585
04:52:46,948 --> 04:52:46,080
realized you're not what i thought you

7586
04:52:49,350 --> 04:52:46,958
were

7587
04:52:51,030 --> 04:52:49,360
um and so i've started reading your

7588
04:52:52,390 --> 04:52:51,040
material and actually i recommend to

7589
04:52:54,708 --> 04:52:52,400
everybody they should they should read

7590
04:52:56,948 --> 04:52:54,718
the liberation times

7591
04:52:59,190 --> 04:52:56,958
thank you so much that piece you

7592
04:53:01,750 --> 04:52:59,200
retweeted is what chris river and i did

7593
04:53:03,270 --> 04:53:01,760
together so chris do you have a question

7594
04:53:06,628 --> 04:53:03,280
something on your mind that you would

7595
04:53:09,830 --> 04:53:06,638
just love to ask them

7596
04:53:11,830 --> 04:53:09,840
firstly i want to air my fears um that

7597
04:53:13,350 --> 04:53:11,840
all these security laws and all these

7598
04:53:16,628 --> 04:53:13,360
people going missing and stuff oh my

7599
04:53:18,948 --> 04:53:16,638
gosh my heart's pounding now um

7600
04:53:23,110 --> 04:53:18,958
i shouldn't um

7601
04:53:24,550 --> 04:53:23,120
um but yes yes um i'm i mean i i talk a

7602
04:53:26,550 --> 04:53:24,560
lot about politics and whatnot and i'm

7603
04:53:29,670 --> 04:53:26,560
talking about the ndaa a lot at the

7604
04:53:32,868 --> 04:53:29,680
moment um especially my last article

7605
04:53:35,270 --> 04:53:32,878
but i'm also heading down the um kind of

7606
04:53:38,150 --> 04:53:35,280
like the the more wu

7607
04:53:40,230 --> 04:53:38,160
aspects of the phenomenon as well um i'm

7608
04:53:42,230 --> 04:53:40,240
particularly heading towards the dna

7609
04:53:43,670 --> 04:53:42,240
part and lou

7610
04:53:45,590 --> 04:53:43,680
do you remember lou in an interview

7611
04:53:47,430 --> 04:53:45,600
recently he was talking about human

7612
04:53:48,708 --> 04:53:47,440
origins and whatnot and that really

7613
04:53:50,788 --> 04:53:48,718
interested me

7614
04:53:53,030 --> 04:53:50,798
so sorry this takes me back to australia

7615
04:53:55,270 --> 04:53:53,040
now um so one of the stories i'm

7616
04:53:56,788 --> 04:53:55,280
investigating at the moment um i've got

7617
04:53:57,990 --> 04:53:56,798
in touch with the guy and i just

7618
04:54:00,390 --> 04:53:58,000
wondered if you've heard about him

7619
04:54:02,390 --> 04:54:00,400
before um peter corey

7620
04:54:03,350 --> 04:54:02,400
um comes from sydney

7621
04:54:05,590 --> 04:54:03,360
um

7622
04:54:08,070 --> 04:54:05,600
and i just wondered what if you're aware

7623
04:54:09,190 --> 04:54:08,080
of that case and if so what your

7624
04:54:10,628 --> 04:54:09,200
thoughts are

7625
04:54:12,948 --> 04:54:10,638
yeah look

7626
04:54:15,270 --> 04:54:12,958
the guy who wrote the book about

7627
04:54:17,750 --> 04:54:15,280
peter corey's experience is bill chalker

7628
04:54:20,150 --> 04:54:17,760
who's one of australia's most respected

7629
04:54:21,990 --> 04:54:20,160
ufo researchers and bill's a good mate

7630
04:54:23,750 --> 04:54:22,000
of mine and he's been a bit of a mentor

7631
04:54:25,430 --> 04:54:23,760
to me throughout this whole

7632
04:54:27,910 --> 04:54:25,440
research process

7633
04:54:30,310 --> 04:54:27,920
and the story though of peter curry is

7634
04:54:33,350 --> 04:54:30,320
quite extraordinary i mean curry claims

7635
04:54:35,510 --> 04:54:33,360
that as best as i can tell it he woke up

7636
04:54:37,430 --> 04:54:35,520
and there are two stunning

7637
04:54:38,948 --> 04:54:37,440
it sounds like every boy's fantasy so i

7638
04:54:42,070 --> 04:54:38,958
preface everything here by saying you

7639
04:54:44,470 --> 04:54:42,080
know children go to bed

7640
04:54:47,750 --> 04:54:44,480
two beautiful swedish looking women with

7641
04:54:50,150 --> 04:54:47,760
slightly asiatic looks on their faces

7642
04:54:52,550 --> 04:54:50,160
sitting in his bedroom and

7643
04:54:55,270 --> 04:54:52,560
they proceed to engage with him in

7644
04:54:56,628 --> 04:54:55,280
sexual intercourse and

7645
04:55:02,550 --> 04:54:56,638
he

7646
04:55:04,310 --> 04:55:02,560
on his body

7647
04:55:07,750 --> 04:55:04,320
and um

7648
04:55:10,310 --> 04:55:07,760
that pubic hair is allegedly tested and

7649
04:55:12,310 --> 04:55:10,320
the way bill tells it uh to me and in

7650
04:55:14,470 --> 04:55:12,320
his book his excellent book i think it's

7651
04:55:17,830 --> 04:55:14,480
called the hair of the alien

7652
04:55:20,628 --> 04:55:17,840
uh the dna showed anomalous

7653
04:55:22,948 --> 04:55:20,638
dna that only came from some part of

7654
04:55:25,110 --> 04:55:22,958
northern china and bill will scream at

7655
04:55:27,270 --> 04:55:25,120
me i'm sure for getting this all wrong

7656
04:55:29,110 --> 04:55:27,280
but i haven't interviewed peter curry

7657
04:55:32,230 --> 04:55:29,120
because he's been pretty well told here

7658
04:55:35,350 --> 04:55:32,240
in australia and i'm trying to find um

7659
04:55:38,550 --> 04:55:35,360
uh original material and and frankly

7660
04:55:40,070 --> 04:55:38,560
i'll be honest with you um chris i

7661
04:55:41,510 --> 04:55:40,080
i've stayed away from it purely and

7662
04:55:43,430 --> 04:55:41,520
simply because i'm a little bit scared

7663
04:55:45,430 --> 04:55:43,440
of engaging with it because i'm already

7664
04:55:47,190 --> 04:55:45,440
pushing the boundaries of where i can go

7665
04:55:48,788 --> 04:55:47,200
as a journalist in mainstream media

7666
04:55:49,590 --> 04:55:48,798
without people laughing me out of the

7667
04:55:51,750 --> 04:55:49,600
room

7668
04:55:54,470 --> 04:55:51,760
and my editors they're prepared to

7669
04:55:56,788 --> 04:55:54,480
tolerate ufos they're prepared to

7670
04:55:59,030 --> 04:55:56,798
tolerate cattle mutilations because

7671
04:56:00,948 --> 04:55:59,040
there's physical evidence for that

7672
04:56:03,190 --> 04:56:00,958
but with a lot of these experiences that

7673
04:56:04,788 --> 04:56:03,200
people have like peter curry and

7674
04:56:06,948 --> 04:56:04,798
especially when we're talking about a

7675
04:56:09,350 --> 04:56:06,958
phenomenon that increasingly people like

7676
04:56:11,190 --> 04:56:09,360
louis lozando and others are suggesting

7677
04:56:13,750 --> 04:56:11,200
has the capacity to

7678
04:56:16,310 --> 04:56:13,760
manipulate people psychotronically i'm

7679
04:56:17,270 --> 04:56:16,320
thinking here of what we call slide

7680
04:56:19,510 --> 04:56:17,280
nine

7681
04:56:21,430 --> 04:56:19,520
the slide that was used in a classified

7682
04:56:24,628 --> 04:56:21,440
briefing for the under secretary of

7683
04:56:25,910 --> 04:56:24,638
defense thomas modley by the uap task

7684
04:56:27,110 --> 04:56:25,920
force

7685
04:56:29,190 --> 04:56:27,120
you know when we're talking about a

7686
04:56:30,948 --> 04:56:29,200
phenomenon that the pentagon has

7687
04:56:33,110 --> 04:56:30,958
formally admitted in confidential

7688
04:56:35,270 --> 04:56:33,120
briefing slides which were leaked

7689
04:56:36,390 --> 04:56:35,280
can manipulate human

7690
04:56:38,150 --> 04:56:36,400
perception

7691
04:56:41,670 --> 04:56:38,160
and consciousness

7692
04:56:43,510 --> 04:56:41,680
i'm not detracting from the reality of

7693
04:56:45,350 --> 04:56:43,520
the phenomenon or the experience that

7694
04:56:47,110 --> 04:56:45,360
peter curry engaged with it's just that

7695
04:56:48,948 --> 04:56:47,120
i'm no longer so sure

7696
04:56:50,628 --> 04:56:48,958
that it was a physical phenomenon aside

7697
04:56:52,628 --> 04:56:50,638
from the fact that as bill's book

7698
04:56:55,590 --> 04:56:52,638
excellently reports there was clearly a

7699
04:56:57,990 --> 04:56:55,600
hair recovered that shows some anomalous

7700
04:56:59,670 --> 04:56:58,000
phenomenon

7701
04:57:01,750 --> 04:56:59,680
frankly chris i just don't know what to

7702
04:57:03,750 --> 04:57:01,760
make of it i mean all i'm doing very

7703
04:57:06,470 --> 04:57:03,760
much as a journalist is stating the

7704
04:57:08,628 --> 04:57:06,480
mystery and there's nothing better

7705
04:57:11,350 --> 04:57:08,638
frankly as a journalist to be involved

7706
04:57:13,110 --> 04:57:11,360
in investigating a mystery

7707
04:57:15,350 --> 04:57:13,120
and and this is

7708
04:57:17,110 --> 04:57:15,360
the issue we're discussing

7709
04:57:19,990 --> 04:57:17,120
i think it's the biggest mystery of all

7710
04:57:21,910 --> 04:57:20,000
time and i think we're now coming closer

7711
04:57:23,830 --> 04:57:21,920
than ever before to finally being able

7712
04:57:25,910 --> 04:57:23,840
to get some answers but

7713
04:57:29,030 --> 04:57:25,920
when friends of mine as they often do

7714
04:57:30,868 --> 04:57:29,040
i'm i'm about to i pleaded uh to sean

7715
04:57:33,030 --> 04:57:30,878
earlier this week to leave a little bit

7716
04:57:35,110 --> 04:57:33,040
earlier at midday my time because which

7717
04:57:36,708 --> 04:57:35,120
is about half an hour because my wife

7718
04:57:38,628 --> 04:57:36,718
and i are going off to a christmas lunch

7719
04:57:40,708 --> 04:57:38,638
with some friends and

7720
04:57:41,990 --> 04:57:40,718
i'm a little wary because i just know

7721
04:57:43,430 --> 04:57:42,000
that what will happen is there'll be

7722
04:57:45,430 --> 04:57:43,440
that conversation where people are

7723
04:57:48,550 --> 04:57:45,440
saying oh you're the you're the chap

7724
04:57:51,030 --> 04:57:48,560
that's written the ufo book oh yes yes

7725
04:57:52,470 --> 04:57:51,040
and uh and i'll go yeah i am

7726
04:57:53,910 --> 04:57:52,480
and i normally get quite belligerent at

7727
04:57:54,948 --> 04:57:53,920
that stage and say

7728
04:57:56,788 --> 04:57:54,958
well what

7729
04:57:58,550 --> 04:57:56,798
what the [\h__\h] have you got a problem

7730
04:58:00,230 --> 04:57:58,560
with you know what why why you know just

7731
04:58:02,470 --> 04:58:00,240
explain to or be like i swear on this

7732
04:58:05,190 --> 04:58:02,480
podcast yeah

7733
04:58:07,510 --> 04:58:05,200
and i i get so tired of that kind of

7734
04:58:09,830 --> 04:58:07,520
kind of patronizing put down that you

7735
04:58:11,670 --> 04:58:09,840
get from ill-informed people who haven't

7736
04:58:13,350 --> 04:58:11,680
done their homework notably other

7737
04:58:14,628 --> 04:58:13,360
journalists yeah notably other

7738
04:58:17,430 --> 04:58:14,638
journalists

7739
04:58:19,430 --> 04:58:17,440
who just don't know how much is now on

7740
04:58:21,030 --> 04:58:19,440
the historical record to show that this

7741
04:58:23,190 --> 04:58:21,040
phenomenon is real

7742
04:58:24,868 --> 04:58:23,200
that it is a genuine mystery

7743
04:58:26,948 --> 04:58:24,878
uh i mean as recently as today i was

7744
04:58:29,910 --> 04:58:26,958
just reading the drive's latest report

7745
04:58:32,070 --> 04:58:29,920
about the drone swarms off the u.s

7746
04:58:34,390 --> 04:58:32,080
southern californian coast which

7747
04:58:35,910 --> 04:58:34,400
continues right through july august and

7748
04:58:37,830 --> 04:58:35,920
they're talking about how there's been

7749
04:58:40,550 --> 04:58:37,840
massive sightings of these drones that

7750
04:58:42,390 --> 04:58:40,560
are still unexplained i'm not saying the

7751
04:58:43,830 --> 04:58:42,400
extraterrestrial the u.s navy is not

7752
04:58:45,830 --> 04:58:43,840
saying they're extraterrestrial but

7753
04:58:47,430 --> 04:58:45,840
there is a mystery it might be linked to

7754
04:58:50,390 --> 04:58:47,440
what we're talking about

7755
04:58:52,470 --> 04:58:50,400
something is displaying

7756
04:58:55,430 --> 04:58:52,480
a technology that

7757
04:58:57,590 --> 04:58:55,440
needs explanation that that frankly

7758
04:58:59,830 --> 04:58:57,600
hasn't been explained who's deploying

7759
04:59:02,230 --> 04:58:59,840
drones off the coast in the deep ocean

7760
04:59:04,788 --> 04:59:02,240
off california that have the capacity to

7761
04:59:06,470 --> 04:59:04,798
befuddle u.s destroyers

7762
04:59:08,230 --> 04:59:06,480
um you know these are legitimate

7763
04:59:09,910 --> 04:59:08,240
mysteries and they should be being

7764
04:59:11,350 --> 04:59:09,920
investigated they shouldn't be being

7765
04:59:12,230 --> 04:59:11,360
ridiculed

7766
04:59:14,070 --> 04:59:12,240
yeah

7767
04:59:16,310 --> 04:59:14,080
uh one thing i can say is when they

7768
04:59:19,030 --> 04:59:16,320
write those articles they haven't read

7769
04:59:21,590 --> 04:59:19,040
too much on the technology aspect that

7770
04:59:23,510 --> 04:59:21,600
aspect of it which is the drones

7771
04:59:25,110 --> 04:59:23,520
communicating with each other and not

7772
04:59:26,550 --> 04:59:25,120
running into each other is actually the

7773
04:59:28,550 --> 04:59:26,560
hardest part of making those drone

7774
04:59:30,628 --> 04:59:28,560
swarms work and we currently don't have

7775
04:59:33,510 --> 04:59:30,638
that technology along with the other

7776
04:59:35,750 --> 04:59:33,520
technologies uh that are observable uh

7777
04:59:37,590 --> 04:59:35,760
for that to be what the case is but

7778
04:59:39,750 --> 04:59:37,600
while you're here i want to just bring

7779
04:59:41,350 --> 04:59:39,760
on one special moment because this will

7780
04:59:43,910 --> 04:59:41,360
just be beautiful i know you got to bow

7781
04:59:46,150 --> 04:59:43,920
out but this is going to be worth it so

7782
04:59:48,708 --> 04:59:46,160
we're going to bring on mr

7783
04:59:49,990 --> 04:59:48,718
real quick how about that

7784
04:59:51,350 --> 04:59:50,000
how about that

7785
04:59:52,948 --> 04:59:51,360
hey ross

7786
04:59:54,948 --> 04:59:52,958
g'day ralph how are you mate all right

7787
04:59:56,948 --> 04:59:54,958
good good to see you guys

7788
04:59:59,670 --> 04:59:56,958
hey i've just i've just finished reading

7789
05:00:02,230 --> 04:59:59,680
your book on the john mack ralph i loved

7790
05:00:04,788 --> 05:00:02,240
it absolutely love it thank you yeah we

7791
05:00:06,390 --> 05:00:04,798
miss his uh we miss his presence uh

7792
05:00:08,708 --> 05:00:06,400
that's for sure

7793
05:00:11,750 --> 05:00:08,718
he was a really interesting guy

7794
05:00:14,948 --> 05:00:11,760
i'm so excited to uh hear more about the

7795
05:00:16,628 --> 05:00:14,958
rua zimbabwe case from you because

7796
05:00:18,470 --> 05:00:16,638
you know he he was the guy that went

7797
05:00:20,310 --> 05:00:18,480
there and investigated rua i think

7798
05:00:21,670 --> 05:00:20,320
within weeks of the incident actually

7799
05:00:22,708 --> 05:00:21,680
happening and um

7800
05:00:29,190 --> 05:00:22,718
are you

7801
05:00:33,670 --> 05:00:31,110
randy nickerson uh it's been in the

7802
05:00:37,030 --> 05:00:33,680
works a long time and we've been very

7803
05:00:40,150 --> 05:00:37,040
eagerly anticipating its release um it's

7804
05:00:42,230 --> 05:00:40,160
it's wonderful because he uh he thought

7805
05:00:44,628 --> 05:00:42,240
he has the you know archival footage of

7806
05:00:47,270 --> 05:00:44,638
the kids then and john mack interviewing

7807
05:00:49,270 --> 05:00:47,280
them but he also goes back and connects

7808
05:00:51,590 --> 05:00:49,280
with these kids now grown up

7809
05:00:53,830 --> 05:00:51,600
and um you know it was the formative

7810
05:00:55,350 --> 05:00:53,840
event in in their lives uh even all

7811
05:00:58,948 --> 05:00:55,360
these years later

7812
05:00:59,830 --> 05:00:58,958
i mean that happened in 1994 so 25 years

7813
05:01:00,708 --> 05:00:59,840
later

7814
05:01:02,788 --> 05:01:00,718
more

7815
05:01:04,708 --> 05:01:02,798
almost 30 years

7816
05:01:06,868 --> 05:01:04,718
these people are still haunted by what

7817
05:01:09,350 --> 05:01:06,878
happened there so

7818
05:01:10,628 --> 05:01:09,360
i can't wait for it to come out

7819
05:01:12,390 --> 05:01:10,638
uh and do you think it will make an

7820
05:01:14,628 --> 05:01:12,400
effect i mean do you think it will take

7821
05:01:16,310 --> 05:01:14,638
us into new ground

7822
05:01:19,030 --> 05:01:16,320
well i think it's the most important

7823
05:01:21,910 --> 05:01:19,040
case i mean uh that i can think of that

7824
05:01:24,070 --> 05:01:21,920
and uh of course uh you know betty and

7825
05:01:26,310 --> 05:01:24,080
bonnie hill but

7826
05:01:29,110 --> 05:01:26,320
uh they're not many uh you know with

7827
05:01:31,590 --> 05:01:29,120
that level of documentation

7828
05:01:32,628 --> 05:01:31,600
and as john mack always said the kids

7829
05:01:35,110 --> 05:01:32,638
are

7830
05:01:37,670 --> 05:01:35,120
special witnesses because they're so you

7831
05:01:39,350 --> 05:01:37,680
know untouched i mean they haven't seen

7832
05:01:41,990 --> 05:01:39,360
movies they haven't read books on the

7833
05:01:43,910 --> 05:01:42,000
phenomenon um you know they're just

7834
05:01:45,750 --> 05:01:43,920
talking from their own experience and

7835
05:01:48,788 --> 05:01:45,760
their accounts were so

7836
05:01:51,030 --> 05:01:48,798
uh symmetrical and and so consistent and

7837
05:01:53,910 --> 05:01:51,040
the pictures they drew you know

7838
05:01:54,868 --> 05:01:53,920
were so striking and resembled uh you

7839
05:01:55,910 --> 05:01:54,878
know

7840
05:01:57,910 --> 05:01:55,920
each other

7841
05:02:00,550 --> 05:01:57,920
that it made for very very powerful

7842
05:02:03,190 --> 05:02:00,560
testimony so um

7843
05:02:04,550 --> 05:02:03,200
it's really one of the landmark cases

7844
05:02:06,550 --> 05:02:04,560
it's funny one of the people i've got

7845
05:02:09,270 --> 05:02:06,560
very friendly with is dan sheehan who

7846
05:02:10,868 --> 05:02:09,280
acted for john mack during that terrible

7847
05:02:12,230 --> 05:02:10,878
battle with harvard over whether or not

7848
05:02:13,830 --> 05:02:12,240
he was going to be allowed to continue

7849
05:02:14,628 --> 05:02:13,840
his tenure

7850
05:02:15,510 --> 05:02:14,638
and

7851
05:02:19,190 --> 05:02:15,520
dan

7852
05:02:21,190 --> 05:02:19,200
stories that i'm sure he's told you off

7853
05:02:22,628 --> 05:02:21,200
the record as well about things that he

7854
05:02:25,510 --> 05:02:22,638
uncovered during the course of his

7855
05:02:28,948 --> 05:02:25,520
research into that whole affair and

7856
05:02:31,430 --> 05:02:28,958
i i i just want i one day i would love

7857
05:02:33,030 --> 05:02:31,440
to see i i'm bemused because the the

7858
05:02:34,788 --> 05:02:33,040
moment that really made me sit up and

7859
05:02:36,550 --> 05:02:34,798
take notice in this whole subject matter

7860
05:02:37,750 --> 05:02:36,560
ralph was when dan told me the story

7861
05:02:40,550 --> 05:02:37,760
about how

7862
05:02:42,470 --> 05:02:40,560
he was retained by

7863
05:02:45,030 --> 05:02:42,480
the science advisor for the clint for

7864
05:02:47,590 --> 05:02:45,040
the carter white house to help in an

7865
05:02:49,590 --> 05:02:47,600
investigation into the phenomenon and to

7866
05:02:51,750 --> 05:02:49,600
actually provide jimmy carter as

7867
05:02:53,110 --> 05:02:51,760
president with some explanation about

7868
05:02:55,670 --> 05:02:53,120
the phenomenon

7869
05:02:57,990 --> 05:02:55,680
and it's that moment where dan describes

7870
05:03:00,788 --> 05:02:58,000
going into the library of congress and

7871
05:03:03,350 --> 05:03:00,798
and being allowed to view the still

7872
05:03:05,510 --> 05:03:03,360
unclassified files of project blue book

7873
05:03:08,628 --> 05:03:05,520
that that he saw that showed a

7874
05:03:10,390 --> 05:03:08,638
photograph he claims of a flying saucer

7875
05:03:12,948 --> 05:03:10,400
well did you tell you into that

7876
05:03:16,470 --> 05:03:12,958
documentation

7877
05:03:18,390 --> 05:03:16,480
uh it got lost in a flood or something

7878
05:03:20,230 --> 05:03:18,400
there's always a story i mean you know

7879
05:03:21,110 --> 05:03:20,240
this phenomenon does not want to be

7880
05:03:23,670 --> 05:03:21,120
known

7881
05:03:26,070 --> 05:03:23,680
uh and so he took surreptitious notes he

7882
05:03:28,868 --> 05:03:26,080
was not supposed to bring in any uh

7883
05:03:31,030 --> 05:03:28,878
writing materials but he had a pad or a

7884
05:03:32,390 --> 05:03:31,040
few sheets of paper and a pen that he

7885
05:03:35,030 --> 05:03:32,400
had snuck in

7886
05:03:36,868 --> 05:03:35,040
and uh he he took some notes and he i

7887
05:03:38,708 --> 05:03:36,878
think he copied the picture

7888
05:03:40,868 --> 05:03:38,718
and then it was later lost in a flood

7889
05:03:43,110 --> 05:03:40,878
which is you know what you always hear

7890
05:03:46,150 --> 05:03:43,120
that the you know the camera didn't work

7891
05:03:48,470 --> 05:03:46,160
the film got exposed the you know i mean

7892
05:03:50,390 --> 05:03:48,480
there's always a story which is not to

7893
05:03:52,628 --> 05:03:50,400
impugn the integrity of the of the

7894
05:03:54,310 --> 05:03:52,638
people encountering this phenomenon it's

7895
05:03:56,070 --> 05:03:54,320
just that's the nature of the phenomenon

7896
05:03:58,470 --> 05:03:56,080
it does not want to be known

7897
05:04:00,708 --> 05:03:58,480
and and these things keep happening well

7898
05:04:03,030 --> 05:04:00,718
i don't want to go to woo here ralph but

7899
05:04:05,190 --> 05:04:03,040
the the thing that blows me away is the

7900
05:04:06,788 --> 05:04:05,200
number of people who i've spoken to

7901
05:04:09,270 --> 05:04:06,798
who've had the most extraordinary

7902
05:04:11,350 --> 05:04:09,280
sightings experiences and they've had a

7903
05:04:13,590 --> 05:04:11,360
camera in their hand

7904
05:04:15,430 --> 05:04:13,600
and i said to them so did you you had a

7905
05:04:16,550 --> 05:04:15,440
camera did you take a photograph did you

7906
05:04:17,590 --> 05:04:16,560
get video

7907
05:04:18,470 --> 05:04:17,600
and they go

7908
05:04:20,230 --> 05:04:18,480
no

7909
05:04:21,190 --> 05:04:20,240
that's really strange i i didn't think

7910
05:04:23,910 --> 05:04:21,200
about it

7911
05:04:26,550 --> 05:04:23,920
and i i just wonder whether this psycho

7912
05:04:27,990 --> 05:04:26,560
psychotronic influence this capacity to

7913
05:04:31,030 --> 05:04:28,000
meddle with human consciousness and

7914
05:04:32,550 --> 05:04:31,040
perception is perhaps playing a role in

7915
05:04:34,708 --> 05:04:32,560
retarding our understanding at the

7916
05:04:37,030 --> 05:04:34,718
phenomenon that maybe as you say it

7917
05:04:38,470 --> 05:04:37,040
doesn't want to be revealed yeah no i

7918
05:04:40,868 --> 05:04:38,480
think that's definitely a part of it

7919
05:04:42,550 --> 05:04:40,878
that there's something here that more

7920
05:04:43,990 --> 05:04:42,560
than meets the eye it's not just

7921
05:04:47,750 --> 05:04:44,000
accidents that

7922
05:04:49,670 --> 05:04:47,760
uh you know get in the way um but um you

7923
05:04:51,350 --> 05:04:49,680
know there's an interference i mean as

7924
05:04:53,750 --> 05:04:51,360
you know so many of the

7925
05:04:56,390 --> 05:04:53,760
experiencers have said that uh their

7926
05:04:58,788 --> 05:04:56,400
memories were wiped and uh

7927
05:05:00,788 --> 05:04:58,798
you know that's why uh relaxation

7928
05:05:02,788 --> 05:05:00,798
techniques that john mack used you know

7929
05:05:05,350 --> 05:05:02,798
or hypnosis in the hands of people who

7930
05:05:07,190 --> 05:05:05,360
are not always the best equipped to do

7931
05:05:08,708 --> 05:05:07,200
it like bud hopkins

7932
05:05:10,868 --> 05:05:08,718
uh david jacobs who are not

7933
05:05:11,750 --> 05:05:10,878
professionals well-meaning

7934
05:05:14,310 --> 05:05:11,760
um

7935
05:05:16,390 --> 05:05:14,320
but uh they try to recover these these

7936
05:05:19,830 --> 05:05:16,400
memories which are uh

7937
05:05:22,868 --> 05:05:19,840
seemingly deliberately uh wiped out

7938
05:05:24,150 --> 05:05:22,878
so that's that's part of the phenomenon

7939
05:05:26,390 --> 05:05:24,160
absolutely

7940
05:05:28,628 --> 05:05:26,400
if you don't mind gentlemen before ross

7941
05:05:30,868 --> 05:05:28,638
goes as well you ross you mentioned the

7942
05:05:33,590 --> 05:05:30,878
ariel school case and ralph it's very

7943
05:05:35,350 --> 05:05:33,600
good to see you again my friend um

7944
05:05:36,788 --> 05:05:35,360
i have a good friend gunter hofer who

7945
05:05:38,788 --> 05:05:36,798
was um

7946
05:05:40,390 --> 05:05:38,798
he was the associate of cynthia hind

7947
05:05:43,910 --> 05:05:40,400
who's one of the first

7948
05:05:46,150 --> 05:05:43,920
to uh be on site a few days after the

7949
05:05:49,510 --> 05:05:46,160
aerial school case she she wrote the

7950
05:05:53,270 --> 05:05:49,520
book here uh ufos african encounters

7951
05:05:54,390 --> 05:05:53,280
now i speak to gunter regularly and um

7952
05:05:55,590 --> 05:05:54,400
i think he's

7953
05:05:57,030 --> 05:05:55,600
kind of taken a little bit of a back

7954
05:05:58,868 --> 05:05:57,040
seat but if anybody wants any

7955
05:06:00,788 --> 05:05:58,878
information

7956
05:06:02,708 --> 05:06:00,798
guns is always willing to speak as well

7957
05:06:04,550 --> 05:06:02,718
about you know you know his interaction

7958
05:06:06,070 --> 05:06:04,560
with the children you know i've had the

7959
05:06:08,470 --> 05:06:06,080
privilege of speaking to him and learned

7960
05:06:10,390 --> 05:06:08,480
some incredible pieces of information

7961
05:06:12,230 --> 05:06:10,400
and i think some of those investigators

7962
05:06:14,150 --> 05:06:12,240
have been kind of lost in the

7963
05:06:16,230 --> 05:06:14,160
in the background a little bit with with

7964
05:06:18,150 --> 05:06:16,240
regards to what happened there um i'm

7965
05:06:20,310 --> 05:06:18,160
not taking anything away from john mack

7966
05:06:21,350 --> 05:06:20,320
because i absolutely love the gentleman

7967
05:06:22,948 --> 05:06:21,360
and

7968
05:06:24,788 --> 05:06:22,958
if he was here now

7969
05:06:26,470 --> 05:06:24,798
things might be a little bit more

7970
05:06:28,310 --> 05:06:26,480
forward down the line but i just want to

7971
05:06:32,390 --> 05:06:28,320
throw out there because gunter is still

7972
05:06:34,788 --> 05:06:32,400
here he's still available and uh so yeah

7973
05:06:36,948 --> 05:06:34,798
absolutely right awesome

7974
05:06:39,350 --> 05:06:36,958
yeah well um

7975
05:06:42,470 --> 05:06:39,360
i guess my question is when are ross and

7976
05:06:45,110 --> 05:06:42,480
ralph going to combine on an article

7977
05:06:46,310 --> 05:06:45,120
together

7978
05:06:49,830 --> 05:06:46,320
well

7979
05:06:56,628 --> 05:06:52,948
we get the information first

7980
05:06:57,990 --> 05:06:56,638
well you know that's the point out later

7981
05:07:01,270 --> 05:06:58,000
one of the one of the things that ralph

7982
05:07:04,150 --> 05:07:01,280
and i both know is to get a story in a

7983
05:07:07,590 --> 05:07:04,160
fantastic paper like the new york times

7984
05:07:09,830 --> 05:07:07,600
i i am gobsmacked that ralph and leslie

7985
05:07:12,470 --> 05:07:09,840
achieved what they did achieve with

7986
05:07:15,350 --> 05:07:12,480
their wonderful groundbreaking 2017

7987
05:07:16,390 --> 05:07:15,360
story and the stories subsequently and i

7988
05:07:18,470 --> 05:07:16,400
i feel

7989
05:07:20,150 --> 05:07:18,480
it's a cheap it's a cheap shot really to

7990
05:07:21,990 --> 05:07:20,160
have a go at ralph and leslie and say

7991
05:07:24,150 --> 05:07:22,000
well why haven't there been more stories

7992
05:07:26,070 --> 05:07:24,160
because frankly i know how hard it is

7993
05:07:27,350 --> 05:07:26,080
i've done collaborative investigations

7994
05:07:30,310 --> 05:07:27,360
with the new york times and the

7995
05:07:31,510 --> 05:07:30,320
washington post with icij the group i

7996
05:07:34,310 --> 05:07:31,520
belong to

7997
05:07:37,430 --> 05:07:34,320
and it's bloody hard the the vetting and

7998
05:07:38,948 --> 05:07:37,440
the editorial checking that goes on is

7999
05:07:41,910 --> 05:07:38,958
intense

8000
05:07:44,868 --> 05:07:41,920
and you've also got individual line

8001
05:07:46,628 --> 05:07:44,878
editors that make decisions about what

8002
05:07:49,350 --> 05:07:46,638
warrants a story that may not

8003
05:07:51,190 --> 05:07:49,360
necessarily be the view of the senior

8004
05:07:52,868 --> 05:07:51,200
editorial command and if you want to get

8005
05:07:55,990 --> 05:07:52,878
a story in a particular section of a

8006
05:07:58,150 --> 05:07:56,000
newspaper or a tv network you've got to

8007
05:08:00,230 --> 05:07:58,160
get past those gatekeepers there's a lot

8008
05:08:01,910 --> 05:08:00,240
of politics in media and i'm sure ralph

8009
05:08:03,590 --> 05:08:01,920
would agree you know it's a small

8010
05:08:04,628 --> 05:08:03,600
miracle frankly that those stories

8011
05:08:06,390 --> 05:08:04,638
appeared

8012
05:08:08,230 --> 05:08:06,400
well everything came together especially

8013
05:08:10,868 --> 05:08:08,240
with the early story uh happy to tell

8014
05:08:12,948 --> 05:08:10,878
that story if we get around to it but

8015
05:08:17,590 --> 05:08:12,958
we had the documentation leslie had gone

8016
05:08:21,190 --> 05:08:19,350
you know and others were

8017
05:08:23,750 --> 05:08:21,200
discussing you know what was going on

8018
05:08:25,910 --> 05:08:23,760
and and we actually and leslie got lou's

8019
05:08:27,590 --> 05:08:25,920
letter resignation even before

8020
05:08:30,230 --> 05:08:27,600
jim mattis the defense secretary had

8021
05:08:32,390 --> 05:08:30,240
seen it so we had very good information

8022
05:08:34,868 --> 05:08:32,400
and when you come to the times with you

8023
05:08:36,708 --> 05:08:34,878
know solid documentation and no off the

8024
05:08:38,310 --> 05:08:36,718
record sources everybody was on the

8025
05:08:40,390 --> 05:08:38,320
record we had the

8026
05:08:42,948 --> 05:08:40,400
records of lou's service his

8027
05:08:44,628 --> 05:08:42,958
commendation so he was rock solid

8028
05:08:46,628 --> 05:08:44,638
despite what some have you know try to

8029
05:08:49,430 --> 05:08:46,638
say later that he wasn't who he said he

8030
05:08:50,708 --> 05:08:49,440
was it's nonsense uh we vetted him you

8031
05:08:52,868 --> 05:08:50,718
know 100

8032
05:08:54,868 --> 05:08:52,878
so when we had all that we came to the

8033
05:08:58,390 --> 05:08:54,878
times it really wasn't um it wasn't

8034
05:08:59,910 --> 05:08:58,400
difficult other stories down the line

8035
05:09:03,350 --> 05:08:59,920
you know like

8036
05:09:05,430 --> 05:09:03,360
crashes and material retrievals

8037
05:09:08,628 --> 05:09:05,440
we did get a part of that story in the

8038
05:09:10,948 --> 05:09:08,638
times that was more difficult but

8039
05:09:13,430 --> 05:09:10,958
you know when you have the goods

8040
05:09:15,350 --> 05:09:13,440
editors are editors and when you come to

8041
05:09:18,070 --> 05:09:15,360
them with with solid stuff

8042
05:09:19,830 --> 05:09:18,080
they want to run it too so um uh it

8043
05:09:25,270 --> 05:09:19,840
wasn't as hard as you know some may

8044
05:09:29,430 --> 05:09:26,788
well you're probably selling yourself

8045
05:09:32,708 --> 05:09:31,190
can i ask you this ralph i i mean

8046
05:09:34,070 --> 05:09:32,718
forgive me for jumping in because i'm

8047
05:09:36,788 --> 05:09:34,080
such a thrill to be able to speak with

8048
05:09:38,230 --> 05:09:36,798
you like this and

8049
05:09:41,670 --> 05:09:38,240
i i don't want to put you on the spot

8050
05:09:43,430 --> 05:09:41,680
about this but do you think

8051
05:09:45,350 --> 05:09:43,440
knowing how you know

8052
05:09:47,510 --> 05:09:45,360
you know how washington works and how

8053
05:09:50,310 --> 05:09:47,520
the media works in the u.s

8054
05:09:52,070 --> 05:09:50,320
any any classified report that went to

8055
05:09:54,470 --> 05:09:52,080
the australian parliament

8056
05:09:55,750 --> 05:09:54,480
on an issue like uaps would leak pretty

8057
05:09:57,750 --> 05:09:55,760
quickly

8058
05:09:59,350 --> 05:09:57,760
so i'm looking at this gillibrand

8059
05:10:01,270 --> 05:09:59,360
legislation and i'm looking at the

8060
05:10:04,470 --> 05:10:01,280
implications of

8061
05:10:07,350 --> 05:10:04,480
clauses like congress requesting updates

8062
05:10:08,708 --> 05:10:07,360
on quote the ability to capture or

8063
05:10:11,590 --> 05:10:08,718
exploit

8064
05:10:13,110 --> 05:10:11,600
unidentified aerial phenomena health

8065
05:10:15,110 --> 05:10:13,120
effects for individuals that have

8066
05:10:16,550 --> 05:10:15,120
encountered unidentified aerial

8067
05:10:19,270 --> 05:10:16,560
phenomena

8068
05:10:20,868 --> 05:10:19,280
you know we know that there will be now

8069
05:10:24,868 --> 05:10:20,878
as a result of the passing of this

8070
05:10:28,708 --> 05:10:24,878
legislation no later than october 31st

8071
05:10:31,510 --> 05:10:28,718
2022 a report that provides the congress

8072
05:10:33,910 --> 05:10:31,520
probably in classified form a very very

8073
05:10:35,510 --> 05:10:33,920
detailed appraisal of all of the answers

8074
05:10:37,750 --> 05:10:35,520
to all of those questions essentially

8075
05:10:40,070 --> 05:10:37,760
the holy grail if you like of what's

8076
05:10:42,868 --> 05:10:40,080
known about the phenomenon inside the

8077
05:10:45,190 --> 05:10:42,878
u.s intelligence community and and

8078
05:10:46,868 --> 05:10:45,200
i'm gobsmacked that the congress will be

8079
05:10:49,350 --> 05:10:46,878
receiving such a report because in my

8080
05:10:51,190 --> 05:10:49,360
country a report like that would leak

8081
05:10:52,948 --> 05:10:51,200
pretty very quickly

8082
05:10:54,708 --> 05:10:52,958
what do you think

8083
05:10:57,030 --> 05:10:54,718
well i think you know we have not had

8084
05:10:59,510 --> 05:10:57,040
much luck uh frankly getting information

8085
05:11:02,390 --> 05:10:59,520
out of congress they've been really good

8086
05:11:04,550 --> 05:11:02,400
now i know washington reporters uh and

8087
05:11:07,830 --> 05:11:04,560
i'm not you know at the times full-time

8088
05:11:08,868 --> 05:11:07,840
anymore i retired from the staff in 20

8089
05:11:11,110 --> 05:11:08,878
um

8090
05:11:13,990 --> 05:11:11,120
in 200 2009

8091
05:11:15,510 --> 05:11:14,000
uh so it's pretty hard for me to develop

8092
05:11:17,510 --> 05:11:15,520
the kind of sources that the people in

8093
05:11:20,070 --> 05:11:17,520
the washington bureau still have

8094
05:11:22,788 --> 05:11:20,080
they have very good sources but

8095
05:11:24,150 --> 05:11:22,798
neither i nor helene cooper my colleague

8096
05:11:25,430 --> 05:11:24,160
who's still at the times in the

8097
05:11:27,830 --> 05:11:25,440
washington bureau

8098
05:11:29,270 --> 05:11:27,840
really were able to get um

8099
05:11:30,868 --> 05:11:29,280
an awful lot of secret stuff out of

8100
05:11:31,670 --> 05:11:30,878
congress they're very tight-lipped on

8101
05:11:32,948 --> 05:11:31,680
this

8102
05:11:34,628 --> 05:11:32,958
so um

8103
05:11:36,390 --> 05:11:34,638
you know i'm not sure frankly we've had

8104
05:11:37,990 --> 05:11:36,400
better luck and i in my career have had

8105
05:11:40,150 --> 05:11:38,000
better luck in getting material from

8106
05:11:43,590 --> 05:11:40,160
third parties um

8107
05:11:45,270 --> 05:11:43,600
uh like you know the european union um

8108
05:11:46,868 --> 05:11:45,280
when i was a correspondent in germany i

8109
05:11:48,788 --> 05:11:46,878
was always able to get stuff from the

8110
05:11:49,910 --> 05:11:48,798
germans that i couldn't get from the

8111
05:11:51,350 --> 05:11:49,920
americans

8112
05:11:53,750 --> 05:11:51,360
so um

8113
05:11:56,470 --> 05:11:53,760
if if you know the pentagon shares

8114
05:11:57,910 --> 05:11:56,480
information uh with allies like

8115
05:12:00,390 --> 05:11:57,920
australia

8116
05:12:01,830 --> 05:12:00,400
or the french or the british uh frankly

8117
05:12:04,230 --> 05:12:01,840
i think there's a much better chance of

8118
05:12:05,910 --> 05:12:04,240
getting it out of those quarters than it

8119
05:12:07,270 --> 05:12:05,920
is out of the congress

8120
05:12:09,270 --> 05:12:07,280
it's really funny you should say that

8121
05:12:11,270 --> 05:12:09,280
because here in australia some of my

8122
05:12:12,948 --> 05:12:11,280
best investigative breakthroughs i was

8123
05:12:14,470 --> 05:12:12,958
involved in

8124
05:12:16,470 --> 05:12:14,480
breaking internationally and it was

8125
05:12:18,628 --> 05:12:16,480
ended up being reported by the european

8126
05:12:20,390 --> 05:12:18,638
parliament i worked collaboratively with

8127
05:12:23,030 --> 05:12:20,400
a scottish british journalist called

8128
05:12:26,310 --> 05:12:23,040
duncan campbell to investigate uh the

8129
05:12:29,430 --> 05:12:26,320
echelon communications spy system for

8130
05:12:32,788 --> 05:12:29,440
which is part of the yakuza uk usa five

8131
05:12:33,990 --> 05:12:32,798
eyes alliance and um in the end i think

8132
05:12:35,510 --> 05:12:34,000
because we were playing straight with

8133
05:12:37,430 --> 05:12:35,520
our intelligence service here the

8134
05:12:39,350 --> 05:12:37,440
defence signals directorate at the time

8135
05:12:41,910 --> 05:12:39,360
are equivalent of the nsa

8136
05:12:44,230 --> 05:12:41,920
they gave me an on the record statement

8137
05:12:47,110 --> 05:12:44,240
that basically confirmed

8138
05:12:50,310 --> 05:12:47,120
the existence of this spy system

8139
05:12:52,708 --> 05:12:50,320
and i went came to the united states

8140
05:12:54,390 --> 05:12:52,718
with that fore knowledge and

8141
05:12:57,270 --> 05:12:54,400
the nsa

8142
05:12:58,628 --> 05:12:57,280
i just they were so keen to make it

8143
05:13:00,230 --> 05:12:58,638
clear that they were doing the right

8144
05:13:01,430 --> 05:13:00,240
thing that they weren't breaking rules

8145
05:13:03,510 --> 05:13:01,440
that they were doing the you know

8146
05:13:05,190 --> 05:13:03,520
heeding the laws the second rules if you

8147
05:13:07,830 --> 05:13:05,200
like to make sure that the

8148
05:13:09,830 --> 05:13:07,840
communications interceptions were legal

8149
05:13:11,350 --> 05:13:09,840
that they actually gave me briefings and

8150
05:13:13,030 --> 05:13:11,360
there was one source one source

8151
05:13:14,470 --> 05:13:13,040
basically said to me he said look who

8152
05:13:16,150 --> 05:13:14,480
would you like to meet

8153
05:13:17,990 --> 05:13:16,160
i can't say i can't say who they were

8154
05:13:20,868 --> 05:13:18,000
but i was sat down in a bar in

8155
05:13:23,190 --> 05:13:20,878
georgetown at seven o'clock at night and

8156
05:13:24,788 --> 05:13:23,200
i'm sitting across a desk with a guy who

8157
05:13:27,510 --> 05:13:24,798
frankly i've been reading about for

8158
05:13:31,270 --> 05:13:27,520
years and it's the openness and the

8159
05:13:33,750 --> 05:13:31,280
candor of america in comparison with um

8160
05:13:35,030 --> 05:13:33,760
british influenced administrations like

8161
05:13:38,470 --> 05:13:35,040
australia

8162
05:13:40,150 --> 05:13:38,480
like canada new zealand and the uk uh

8163
05:13:43,030 --> 05:13:40,160
where we're essentially secrets are

8164
05:13:44,868 --> 05:13:43,040
essentially kept all the time yeah i i

8165
05:13:46,550 --> 05:13:44,878
one thing i really admire about america

8166
05:13:48,948 --> 05:13:46,560
is some of the biggest breakthroughs

8167
05:13:51,110 --> 05:13:48,958
that i've had in my stories have come as

8168
05:13:54,470 --> 05:13:51,120
a result of going to america and

8169
05:13:56,550 --> 05:13:54,480
levering our ally america into revealing

8170
05:13:58,708 --> 05:13:56,560
things that our defense and intelligence

8171
05:14:00,230 --> 05:13:58,718
communities don't want to talk about

8172
05:14:02,788 --> 05:14:00,240
and finally funnily enough that's been

8173
05:14:05,030 --> 05:14:02,798
my experience with this story maybe we

8174
05:14:07,590 --> 05:14:05,040
we have better luck with other countries

8175
05:14:08,550 --> 05:14:07,600
in our own yeah

8176
05:14:15,190 --> 05:14:08,560
maybe it may be that it's like

8177
05:14:19,750 --> 05:14:16,868
i'm just going to kick everybody out and

8178
05:14:23,590 --> 05:14:19,760
you two can just talk because this

8179
05:14:25,190 --> 05:14:23,600
it's charming special and beautiful um

8180
05:14:27,750 --> 05:14:25,200
but you know i know

8181
05:14:29,510 --> 05:14:27,760
ross might be grounded for a while so i

8182
05:14:31,270 --> 05:14:29,520
don't know yeah i've got about 10 more

8183
05:14:33,190 --> 05:14:31,280
minutes before i need to go short so

8184
05:14:35,190 --> 05:14:33,200
essentially i'll i'll leave in about 10

8185
05:14:36,628 --> 05:14:35,200
but uh yeah i mean it's a real privilege

8186
05:14:39,750 --> 05:14:36,638
it's a privilege to talk to you ralph

8187
05:14:41,670 --> 05:14:39,760
and um i i i i feel one of the things

8188
05:14:44,390 --> 05:14:41,680
that i've been copying recently is a lot

8189
05:14:46,310 --> 05:14:44,400
of anger from people on social media who

8190
05:14:48,788 --> 05:14:46,320
say you know why aren't you working

8191
05:14:50,390 --> 05:14:48,798
harder to expose this you know why why

8192
05:14:52,788 --> 05:14:50,400
aren't you basically breaking more

8193
05:14:54,788 --> 05:14:52,798
stories and and i i feel an intense

8194
05:14:56,948 --> 05:14:54,798
sense of frustration with that kind of

8195
05:14:58,470 --> 05:14:56,958
expectation because we're only ever as

8196
05:15:00,708 --> 05:14:58,480
good as our sources

8197
05:15:04,948 --> 05:15:00,718
and most of my sources have become

8198
05:15:07,830 --> 05:15:04,958
scared witless since i published my book

8199
05:15:09,270 --> 05:15:07,840
because um one name i do mention in my

8200
05:15:12,070 --> 05:15:09,280
book is nat

8201
05:15:12,788 --> 05:15:12,080
kobetz who was who's now dead but he was

8202
05:15:19,190 --> 05:15:12,798
the

8203
05:15:22,470 --> 05:15:19,200
and and he very kindly put me on to a

8204
05:15:24,948 --> 05:15:22,480
lot of people who he knew in science

8205
05:15:26,310 --> 05:15:24,958
especially who he was aware of were

8206
05:15:28,310 --> 05:15:26,320
involved in

8207
05:15:31,030 --> 05:15:28,320
what was euphemistically referred to as

8208
05:15:33,750 --> 05:15:31,040
the program and

8209
05:15:35,830 --> 05:15:33,760
there has been in recent months

8210
05:15:38,390 --> 05:15:35,840
especially since my book was published

8211
05:15:40,708 --> 05:15:38,400
a really intensive effort to shut people

8212
05:15:42,550 --> 05:15:40,718
up to shut people down and

8213
05:15:45,030 --> 05:15:42,560
people who were engaging with me a year

8214
05:15:47,910 --> 05:15:45,040
ago and now absolutely terrified every

8215
05:15:49,830 --> 05:15:47,920
time i try and call them and uh it's um

8216
05:15:51,430 --> 05:15:49,840
it's a real problem and i i that's why i

8217
05:15:53,190 --> 05:15:51,440
have great hope that what's going to

8218
05:15:54,628 --> 05:15:53,200
come now as a result of the gillibrand

8219
05:15:56,708 --> 05:15:54,638
amendment is

8220
05:15:58,628 --> 05:15:56,718
some kind of sanctioned release of

8221
05:16:00,868 --> 05:15:58,638
information well you know we also have

8222
05:16:01,910 --> 05:16:00,878
to think of how far we've come

8223
05:16:05,270 --> 05:16:01,920
and

8224
05:16:07,670 --> 05:16:05,280
the uap report of june of this year

8225
05:16:08,948 --> 05:16:07,680
um disappointed a lot of people but on

8226
05:16:11,110 --> 05:16:08,958
the other hand there were some very

8227
05:16:13,190 --> 05:16:11,120
important disclosures there for the

8228
05:16:15,830 --> 05:16:13,200
first time the government was saying

8229
05:16:18,070 --> 05:16:15,840
that these things are probably real uh

8230
05:16:20,628 --> 05:16:18,080
which was an enormous breakthrough and

8231
05:16:22,370 --> 05:16:20,638
that they threaten uh aviation that they

8232
05:16:23,510 --> 05:16:22,380
pose a possible threat to

8233
05:16:24,868 --> 05:16:23,520
[Music]

8234
05:16:28,390 --> 05:16:24,878
aviation

8235
05:16:30,230 --> 05:16:28,400
those are two big uh huge uh disclosures

8236
05:16:32,470 --> 05:16:30,240
for the government uh you know given its

8237
05:16:35,110 --> 05:16:32,480
history of you know denial all those

8238
05:16:38,150 --> 05:16:35,120
years so i think things are opening up

8239
05:16:40,788 --> 05:16:38,160
and you know the gillibrand amendment um

8240
05:16:41,670 --> 05:16:40,798
uh you know the the um

8241
05:16:43,510 --> 05:16:41,680
uh

8242
05:16:45,510 --> 05:16:43,520
the whole disclosure movement which i

8243
05:16:47,830 --> 05:16:45,520
know is very frustrated uh you know

8244
05:16:49,510 --> 05:16:47,840
wanting to accomplish more but i think

8245
05:16:50,310 --> 05:16:49,520
we have to look back on how far we've

8246
05:16:52,948 --> 05:16:50,320
come

8247
05:16:55,110 --> 05:16:52,958
and um i think there's you know a lot of

8248
05:16:57,430 --> 05:16:55,120
reasons for optimism there

8249
05:16:59,190 --> 05:16:57,440
i i agree i really agree and the thing

8250
05:17:02,070 --> 05:16:59,200
i'm most excited about is that

8251
05:17:03,990 --> 05:17:02,080
gillibrand's amendment went through with

8252
05:17:06,788 --> 05:17:04,000
very little change i mean the only thing

8253
05:17:08,150 --> 05:17:06,798
that that didn't go through was the

8254
05:17:10,550 --> 05:17:08,160
attempt to have an independent

8255
05:17:11,670 --> 05:17:10,560
scientific advisory body which you know

8256
05:17:14,150 --> 05:17:11,680
even i

8257
05:17:16,230 --> 05:17:14,160
as a journal was very skeptical would

8258
05:17:18,310 --> 05:17:16,240
ever have gone through because you know

8259
05:17:20,868 --> 05:17:18,320
i mean i love the blokes from and women

8260
05:17:23,110 --> 05:17:20,878
from scu but um you know the scientific

8261
05:17:24,628 --> 05:17:23,120
coalition for the investigation of uap

8262
05:17:27,590 --> 05:17:24,638
and they would have obviously had a key

8263
05:17:28,708 --> 05:17:27,600
role i think in any such advisory body

8264
05:17:30,708 --> 05:17:28,718
but

8265
05:17:32,948 --> 05:17:30,718
you know the bottom line is i i can

8266
05:17:35,110 --> 05:17:32,958
understand i'm not excusing but i can

8267
05:17:37,270 --> 05:17:35,120
understand why

8268
05:17:41,030 --> 05:17:37,280
if and i say if

8269
05:17:43,430 --> 05:17:41,040
if the us does have recovered non-human

8270
05:17:45,350 --> 05:17:43,440
technology if they do

8271
05:17:46,708 --> 05:17:45,360
and i suspect they do

8272
05:17:48,150 --> 05:17:46,718
then

8273
05:17:51,190 --> 05:17:48,160
i can understand why they probably want

8274
05:17:53,190 --> 05:17:51,200
to keep it secret i would say

8275
05:17:54,868 --> 05:17:53,200
um um

8276
05:17:56,868 --> 05:17:54,878
uh that would be of great interest to

8277
05:17:58,708 --> 05:17:56,878
our adversaries uh maybe they have you

8278
05:18:01,430 --> 05:17:58,718
know something similar and they're not

8279
05:18:03,030 --> 05:18:01,440
telling us about but um

8280
05:18:04,390 --> 05:18:03,040
you know there's certainly some

8281
05:18:06,070 --> 05:18:04,400
legitimate

8282
05:18:08,310 --> 05:18:06,080
defense reasons

8283
05:18:10,470 --> 05:18:08,320
to to maintain secrecy i mean given the

8284
05:18:14,150 --> 05:18:10,480
you know the arms race uh

8285
05:18:16,550 --> 05:18:14,160
um and uh you know the the race for this

8286
05:18:18,868 --> 05:18:16,560
technology uh it's not the kind of thing

8287
05:18:21,270 --> 05:18:18,878
any nation would would volunteer or

8288
05:18:22,788 --> 05:18:21,280
share with adversaries so uh

8289
05:18:25,030 --> 05:18:22,798
you know that's understandable but you

8290
05:18:29,430 --> 05:18:25,040
know you just think of

8291
05:18:32,948 --> 05:18:30,550
you know

8292
05:18:35,270 --> 05:18:32,958
it wasn't long ago that uh military

8293
05:18:37,670 --> 05:18:35,280
personnel were were ordered not to

8294
05:18:39,110 --> 05:18:37,680
discuss these sightings and now that

8295
05:18:40,948 --> 05:18:39,120
it's officially you know the navy's

8296
05:18:43,270 --> 05:18:40,958
encouraging the reports air force is a

8297
05:18:46,628 --> 05:18:43,280
little slower but they're you know

8298
05:18:47,990 --> 05:18:46,638
following suit so um there's there's a

8299
05:18:48,948 --> 05:18:48,000
momentum there

8300
05:18:50,868 --> 05:18:48,958
yeah

8301
05:18:52,230 --> 05:18:50,878
i'll tell you ralph i i sent a copy of

8302
05:18:53,990 --> 05:18:52,240
i'll just quickly tell ralph i said to

8303
05:18:57,510 --> 05:18:54,000
go ahead of your your new york times

8304
05:18:58,868 --> 05:18:57,520
story to uh three military sources

8305
05:19:02,470 --> 05:18:58,878
you've approached me in the last few

8306
05:19:04,390 --> 05:19:02,480
weeks as a result of another documentary

8307
05:19:06,230 --> 05:19:04,400
follow-up that i did just recently where

8308
05:19:09,270 --> 05:19:06,240
we had military witnesses talking about

8309
05:19:11,270 --> 05:19:09,280
sightings on australian navy vessels

8310
05:19:14,390 --> 05:19:11,280
and these people are toying with going

8311
05:19:17,590 --> 05:19:14,400
public about what they know and um

8312
05:19:19,030 --> 05:19:17,600
as a way of encouraging them i said hey

8313
05:19:21,110 --> 05:19:19,040
you realize of course the world's

8314
05:19:22,150 --> 05:19:21,120
greatest newspaper has reported on this

8315
05:19:23,430 --> 05:19:22,160
subject

8316
05:19:25,110 --> 05:19:23,440
and and they didn't know they didn't

8317
05:19:27,510 --> 05:19:25,120
they weren't aware of your of your

8318
05:19:29,590 --> 05:19:27,520
article and uh i i've sent them

8319
05:19:32,070 --> 05:19:29,600
everything basically i even went down to

8320
05:19:33,990 --> 05:19:32,080
a local printing shop and got it printed

8321
05:19:36,628 --> 05:19:34,000
out in broadsheet form

8322
05:19:38,708 --> 05:19:36,638
and uh sent it to them by mail and uh

8323
05:19:40,948 --> 05:19:38,718
i'm i'm just hoping it will propel them

8324
05:19:42,150 --> 05:19:40,958
to actually go

8325
05:19:43,670 --> 05:19:42,160
they told me public

8326
05:19:44,868 --> 05:19:43,680
videos did more than anything else i

8327
05:19:46,550 --> 05:19:44,878
mean that they were about the most

8328
05:19:47,990 --> 05:19:46,560
popular thing the new york times ever

8329
05:19:50,550 --> 05:19:48,000
put up online

8330
05:19:52,230 --> 05:19:50,560
and um uh because it wasn't just people

8331
05:19:53,830 --> 05:19:52,240
talking about things people you know

8332
05:19:56,628 --> 05:19:53,840
viewers could see with their own eyes

8333
05:19:57,990 --> 05:19:56,638
what everyone was so excited about um so

8334
05:20:00,628 --> 05:19:58,000
that that i think that was a huge

8335
05:20:02,230 --> 05:20:00,638
breakthrough and uh again you know these

8336
05:20:03,830 --> 05:20:02,240
it's just the tip of the iceberg we know

8337
05:20:05,750 --> 05:20:03,840
that there are more videos we only

8338
05:20:08,550 --> 05:20:05,760
showed you know a few

8339
05:20:09,910 --> 05:20:08,560
bare minutes of uh you know

8340
05:20:11,190 --> 05:20:09,920
what what's out there what the

8341
05:20:11,990 --> 05:20:11,200
government has

8342
05:20:14,470 --> 05:20:12,000
um

8343
05:20:16,948 --> 05:20:14,480
[Music]

8344
05:20:18,550 --> 05:20:16,958
but those videos were i think were

8345
05:20:19,830 --> 05:20:18,560
pivotal

8346
05:20:21,750 --> 05:20:19,840
absolutely

8347
05:20:23,830 --> 05:20:21,760
gentlemen if you don't mind i just

8348
05:20:26,548 --> 05:20:23,840
actually just got a message from luella

8349
05:20:29,350 --> 05:20:26,558
zondo a statement to read out on the

8350
05:20:32,390 --> 05:20:29,360
stream if you don't mind yeah

8351
05:20:33,430 --> 05:20:32,400
because he can't be here so sean is that

8352
05:20:35,030 --> 05:20:33,440
okay

8353
05:20:38,150 --> 05:20:35,040
no

8354
05:20:38,868 --> 05:20:38,160
yeah yeah go ahead

8355
05:20:41,030 --> 05:20:38,878
me

8356
05:20:43,030 --> 05:20:41,040
i gotta read this in my best voice now

8357
05:20:44,708 --> 05:20:43,040
so this is from lou he says better be

8358
05:20:47,030 --> 05:20:44,718
good

8359
05:20:50,548 --> 05:20:48,310
friends

8360
05:20:52,628 --> 05:20:50,558
through vinnie please allow me to offer

8361
05:20:53,670 --> 05:20:52,638
my sincerest appreciation for all that

8362
05:20:56,150 --> 05:20:53,680
you do

8363
05:20:57,910 --> 05:20:56,160
you bet on the right horses

8364
05:21:01,030 --> 05:20:57,920
and know that we are not finished

8365
05:21:02,708 --> 05:21:01,040
winning races for you we have only begun

8366
05:21:04,070 --> 05:21:02,718
the next year will be even better and

8367
05:21:06,150 --> 05:21:04,080
greater

8368
05:21:07,750 --> 05:21:06,160
thank you for being you and thank you

8369
05:21:10,628 --> 05:21:07,760
for your support

8370
05:21:12,230 --> 05:21:10,638
onwards until dawn take no quarter and

8371
05:21:15,510 --> 05:21:12,240
savor the moment

8372
05:21:17,270 --> 05:21:15,520
our armada has set sail and together we

8373
05:21:20,230 --> 05:21:17,280
are like a hurricane

8374
05:21:21,430 --> 05:21:20,240
unstoppable

8375
05:21:22,948 --> 05:21:21,440
you can tell he's in the middle of

8376
05:21:23,240 --> 05:21:22,958
writing his book because he's getting

8377
05:21:25,110 --> 05:21:23,250
good

8378
05:21:27,750 --> 05:21:25,120
[Laughter]

8379
05:21:30,628 --> 05:21:27,760
so i i gotta say thank you

8380
05:21:33,270 --> 05:21:30,638
yeah thanks and there you go gentlemen

8381
05:21:34,868 --> 05:21:33,280
i appreciate everybody everybody

8382
05:21:36,590 --> 05:21:34,878
it was beautiful and when you read it

8383
05:21:39,270 --> 05:21:36,600
too with that accent

8384
05:21:41,670 --> 05:21:39,280
[Music]

8385
05:21:43,190 --> 05:21:41,680
it's like um oh man that's like

8386
05:21:44,788 --> 05:21:43,200
braveheart or something something yeah

8387
05:21:46,230 --> 05:21:44,798
but you're missing the tattoos there

8388
05:21:48,230 --> 05:21:46,240
vinny

8389
05:21:50,070 --> 05:21:48,240
i i should be wearing a suit and a tie

8390
05:21:52,628 --> 05:21:50,080
when i'm speaking to such distinguished

8391
05:21:54,230 --> 05:21:52,638
guests you know ralph ross uh

8392
05:21:55,430 --> 05:21:54,240
many of you guys i've spoken to you

8393
05:21:57,510 --> 05:21:55,440
before but

8394
05:21:59,990 --> 05:21:57,520
every time it just hits home how

8395
05:22:02,868 --> 05:22:00,000
important it is um and how special i

8396
05:22:05,510 --> 05:22:02,878
feel to be in such distinguished company

8397
05:22:06,948 --> 05:22:05,520
so uh especially on this occasion ralph

8398
05:22:08,070 --> 05:22:06,958
four years on

8399
05:22:10,230 --> 05:22:08,080
i have to say

8400
05:22:12,070 --> 05:22:10,240
thank you so much because i wouldn't be

8401
05:22:13,190 --> 05:22:12,080
here without yourself

8402
05:22:16,390 --> 05:22:13,200
you know

8403
05:22:18,788 --> 05:22:16,400
so honestly thank you so much

8404
05:22:20,628 --> 05:22:18,798
yeah i i'd okay that i mean to me the

8405
05:22:24,230 --> 05:22:20,638
new york times

8406
05:22:26,628 --> 05:22:24,240
expose in 2017 is probably one of the

8407
05:22:28,230 --> 05:22:26,638
most historic stories i've read in my

8408
05:22:31,830 --> 05:22:28,240
lifetime and i think it will be

8409
05:22:33,190 --> 05:22:31,840
recognized as such in coming years

8410
05:22:34,548 --> 05:22:33,200
i think it's it's

8411
05:22:35,750 --> 05:22:34,558
it's basically at the moment we're in

8412
05:22:37,910 --> 05:22:35,760
this weird

8413
05:22:39,190 --> 05:22:37,920
phony war this kind of interregnum

8414
05:22:40,628 --> 05:22:39,200
period where there's a cognitive

8415
05:22:43,030 --> 05:22:40,638
dissonance between

8416
05:22:45,110 --> 05:22:43,040
what has been admitted

8417
05:22:46,390 --> 05:22:45,120
by the united states government what's

8418
05:22:48,470 --> 05:22:46,400
on the record

8419
05:22:50,470 --> 05:22:48,480
and what the public realizes

8420
05:22:53,590 --> 05:22:50,480
and it's when that realization catches

8421
05:22:56,070 --> 05:22:53,600
up with what is now accepted truth

8422
05:22:59,590 --> 05:22:56,080
and the revelations begin

8423
05:23:02,548 --> 05:22:59,600
it's going to be a really fun ride right

8424
05:23:04,310 --> 05:23:02,558
aren't you scared a little bit though

8425
05:23:06,070 --> 05:23:04,320
what off

8426
05:23:08,470 --> 05:23:06,080
whatever this stuff is and what it's

8427
05:23:09,510 --> 05:23:08,480
going to do to us

8428
05:23:17,990 --> 05:23:09,520
no

8429
05:23:20,708 --> 05:23:18,000
if the government ever does uh come

8430
05:23:22,708 --> 05:23:20,718
clean on this or if you know if it's

8431
05:23:25,670 --> 05:23:22,718
ever verified you know that there have

8432
05:23:27,830 --> 05:23:25,680
been landings or the presence of alien

8433
05:23:29,750 --> 05:23:27,840
beings etc you know won't this cause a

8434
05:23:30,948 --> 05:23:29,760
panic that's a question that comes up

8435
05:23:33,750 --> 05:23:30,958
again and again

8436
05:23:37,350 --> 05:23:33,760
and uh what i often think is that the

8437
05:23:41,750 --> 05:23:40,070
has been dealing with this a long time

8438
05:23:43,270 --> 05:23:41,760
and has come to

8439
05:23:44,390 --> 05:23:43,280
probably better terms of this and the

8440
05:23:45,830 --> 05:23:44,400
government the government has always

8441
05:23:48,390 --> 05:23:45,840
been afraid that what if we tell the

8442
05:23:50,310 --> 05:23:48,400
truth you know how will the public react

8443
05:23:53,030 --> 05:23:50,320
what you know kind of terrible things

8444
05:23:55,110 --> 05:23:53,040
with this unleash but um you know the

8445
05:23:57,030 --> 05:23:55,120
world war ii pilots who encountered this

8446
05:23:59,110 --> 05:23:57,040
phenomenon they know what they've seen

8447
05:24:01,830 --> 05:23:59,120
and they weren't misled by you know

8448
05:24:02,708 --> 05:24:01,840
story you you you saw the planet venus

8449
05:24:04,470 --> 05:24:02,718
you know

8450
05:24:07,590 --> 05:24:04,480
um

8451
05:24:09,510 --> 05:24:07,600
what they saw so and and uh

8452
05:24:11,910 --> 05:24:09,520
people who reported this phenomenon over

8453
05:24:14,070 --> 05:24:11,920
the decades know what they've seen so

8454
05:24:16,230 --> 05:24:14,080
it's not a big surprise to them

8455
05:24:19,030 --> 05:24:16,240
so i think um

8456
05:24:21,430 --> 05:24:19,040
the government is is perhaps needlessly

8457
05:24:23,590 --> 05:24:21,440
concerned here uh what the reaction will

8458
05:24:25,510 --> 05:24:23,600
be of course it would be an earthquake

8459
05:24:27,510 --> 05:24:25,520
obviously as as all

8460
05:24:30,470 --> 05:24:27,520
uh you know historical breakthroughs

8461
05:24:33,510 --> 05:24:30,480
from copernicus to to darwin to freud

8462
05:24:35,670 --> 05:24:33,520
have been but uh this idea that you know

8463
05:24:37,430 --> 05:24:35,680
the public would just fall apart

8464
05:24:38,948 --> 05:24:37,440
i think is

8465
05:24:41,030 --> 05:24:38,958
is misstated

8466
05:24:43,510 --> 05:24:41,040
well one of the most uh influential

8467
05:24:45,830 --> 05:24:43,520
things for me ralph was i spent a lot of

8468
05:24:47,670 --> 05:24:45,840
time going through the comments on your

8469
05:24:49,430 --> 05:24:47,680
new york times stories after your

8470
05:24:51,510 --> 05:24:49,440
stories were published

8471
05:24:54,548 --> 05:24:51,520
i thought it was fascinating to see the

8472
05:24:56,470 --> 05:24:54,558
depth of insight and the intensity of

8473
05:24:58,788 --> 05:24:56,480
the public reaction to your stories and

8474
05:25:00,948 --> 05:24:58,798
as you say i think it still remains the

8475
05:25:04,150 --> 05:25:00,958
most clicked the most viewed item on the

8476
05:25:06,230 --> 05:25:04,160
new york times website of all time and

8477
05:25:08,070 --> 05:25:06,240
this is the same with the documentary i

8478
05:25:09,590 --> 05:25:08,080
made i mean we knocked out a documentary

8479
05:25:11,430 --> 05:25:09,600
called the ufo

8480
05:25:14,230 --> 05:25:11,440
phenomenon for the network that i work

8481
05:25:16,548 --> 05:25:14,240
with here in australia channel 7

8482
05:25:18,310 --> 05:25:16,558
uh earlier this year and i

8483
05:25:21,110 --> 05:25:18,320
on all the different formats it's now

8484
05:25:22,070 --> 05:25:21,120
been seen close to 10 million times

8485
05:25:24,150 --> 05:25:22,080
which is

8486
05:25:25,590 --> 05:25:24,160
just unheard of for a tv documentary

8487
05:25:27,990 --> 05:25:25,600
here in australia

8488
05:25:29,430 --> 05:25:28,000
and and for me as a journalist the most

8489
05:25:31,190 --> 05:25:29,440
gratifying thing and i'm sure ralph

8490
05:25:32,868 --> 05:25:31,200
would echo this the thing that can make

8491
05:25:34,230 --> 05:25:32,878
you happy as a journalist is to know

8492
05:25:36,628 --> 05:25:34,240
that you are

8493
05:25:37,990 --> 05:25:36,638
digging into fertile soil

8494
05:25:40,948 --> 05:25:38,000
where a few other journalists are

8495
05:25:42,708 --> 05:25:40,958
treading that's the joy of a good dig as

8496
05:25:44,628 --> 05:25:42,718
an investigative journalist

8497
05:25:46,390 --> 05:25:44,638
and the thing that really strikes me is

8498
05:25:48,628 --> 05:25:46,400
interesting is the intensity of the

8499
05:25:51,990 --> 05:25:48,638
public reaction there's a wisdom of the

8500
05:25:54,390 --> 05:25:52,000
crowd here that is expressed in

8501
05:25:57,910 --> 05:25:54,400
the level of interest on shows like this

8502
05:25:59,590 --> 05:25:57,920
sean with your show and the volume of

8503
05:26:02,230 --> 05:25:59,600
podcasts

8504
05:26:03,190 --> 05:26:02,240
website pages facebook pages reddit

8505
05:26:05,270 --> 05:26:03,200
links

8506
05:26:07,670 --> 05:26:05,280
the number of people who are engaging

8507
05:26:09,190 --> 05:26:07,680
with people like myself and ralph and

8508
05:26:11,430 --> 05:26:09,200
everybody else who's taking an active

8509
05:26:12,868 --> 05:26:11,440
interest in the subject matter is just

8510
05:26:15,830 --> 05:26:12,878
overwhelming

8511
05:26:19,190 --> 05:26:15,840
and i i don't care if frankly mainstream

8512
05:26:21,670 --> 05:26:19,200
media doesn't engage because what's

8513
05:26:23,990 --> 05:26:21,680
happening is nothing emphasizes the

8514
05:26:26,708 --> 05:26:24,000
growing diminution of relevance of

8515
05:26:30,390 --> 05:26:26,718
mainstream media that it's missing the

8516
05:26:31,830 --> 05:26:30,400
biggest story of the moment

8517
05:26:34,310 --> 05:26:31,840
absolutely right

8518
05:26:36,310 --> 05:26:34,320
yeah i mean russ you've always said um

8519
05:26:37,510 --> 05:26:36,320
you you kind of like that no one else is

8520
05:26:40,150 --> 05:26:37,520
writing about this because that means

8521
05:26:41,030 --> 05:26:40,160
the story is all yours

8522
05:26:42,788 --> 05:26:41,040
well

8523
05:26:44,628 --> 05:26:42,798
yeah and yours because i mean one thing

8524
05:26:46,150 --> 05:26:44,638
i would never want i don't i don't want

8525
05:26:47,830 --> 05:26:46,160
to discourage i think it's really

8526
05:26:49,510 --> 05:26:47,840
important some of the best work on this

8527
05:26:53,430 --> 05:26:49,520
has been done by people

8528
05:26:54,868 --> 05:26:53,440
on podcasts like yours on you know ufo

8529
05:26:57,190 --> 05:26:54,878
researchers that have basically got

8530
05:26:59,030 --> 05:26:57,200
their teeth into historical archives

8531
05:27:01,350 --> 05:26:59,040
it's really important that that work

8532
05:27:03,910 --> 05:27:01,360
continues and um

8533
05:27:05,190 --> 05:27:03,920
i can't be the person that like one of

8534
05:27:07,110 --> 05:27:05,200
the things i've started doing for

8535
05:27:09,590 --> 05:27:07,120
example with our national archives we

8536
05:27:11,510 --> 05:27:09,600
have this thing called the 30-year rule

8537
05:27:12,948 --> 05:27:11,520
and so there's a lot of files i was

8538
05:27:14,628 --> 05:27:12,958
looking the other day there's the

8539
05:27:16,948 --> 05:27:14,638
valentich incident the frederick

8540
05:27:17,830 --> 05:27:16,958
valentich incident right over over best

8541
05:27:19,750 --> 05:27:17,840
straight

8542
05:27:21,910 --> 05:27:19,760
and there's a file that's still locked

8543
05:27:23,590 --> 05:27:21,920
up but i noticed the other day that some

8544
05:27:25,830 --> 05:27:23,600
of the documents are now within the

8545
05:27:28,390 --> 05:27:25,840
release period and so

8546
05:27:30,470 --> 05:27:28,400
you know ufo activism needs to basically

8547
05:27:31,430 --> 05:27:30,480
become aware of just monitoring that

8548
05:27:32,708 --> 05:27:31,440
stuff

8549
05:27:36,150 --> 05:27:32,718
and using

8550
05:27:38,310 --> 05:27:36,160
using the power of archives to push open

8551
05:27:40,470 --> 05:27:38,320
archives that that now are being

8552
05:27:42,070 --> 05:27:40,480
compelled to reveal material

8553
05:27:44,628 --> 05:27:42,080
interesting about that case is that's

8554
05:27:46,788 --> 05:27:44,638
one of the cases of mr dr dugan looked

8555
05:27:50,830 --> 05:27:46,798
into who was originally sent to

8556
05:27:54,390 --> 05:27:50,840
australia by heinek in valet

8557
05:27:56,948 --> 05:27:54,400
um and he was in the air force and

8558
05:27:59,430 --> 05:27:56,958
actually um general mccaslin actually

8559
05:28:01,670 --> 05:27:59,440
put a comment on his little eulogy page

8560
05:28:02,788 --> 05:28:01,680
so things get really interesting there

8561
05:28:05,110 --> 05:28:02,798
for sure

8562
05:28:06,788 --> 05:28:05,120
um so i can't wait to try and flesh that

8563
05:28:08,548 --> 05:28:06,798
out a little more

8564
05:28:10,708 --> 05:28:08,558
right and if you know archives start to

8565
05:28:12,470 --> 05:28:10,718
open up in the former soviet union as

8566
05:28:14,230 --> 05:28:12,480
they did with you know everything else

8567
05:28:16,868 --> 05:28:14,240
after the fall of the wall

8568
05:28:19,830 --> 05:28:16,878
and uh china i mean lord knows what's

8569
05:28:22,310 --> 05:28:19,840
buried in the archives there

8570
05:28:24,470 --> 05:28:22,320
it would be absolutely fascinating if

8571
05:28:26,150 --> 05:28:24,480
if any of that material would emerge you

8572
05:28:30,390 --> 05:28:26,160
speak chinese

8573
05:28:37,510 --> 05:28:31,750
um

8574
05:28:39,910 --> 05:28:37,520
is this a topic that

8575
05:28:42,948 --> 05:28:39,920
you'll ever like when's the finish line

8576
05:28:44,548 --> 05:28:42,958
what is there a finish line or is it

8577
05:28:46,310 --> 05:28:44,558
like kind of a

8578
05:28:50,150 --> 05:28:46,320
non-ending

8579
05:28:54,310 --> 05:28:51,990
well if there's a finish line we're not

8580
05:28:55,750 --> 05:28:54,320
close to it and it may be receding as we

8581
05:28:58,708 --> 05:28:55,760
get closer to it

8582
05:29:00,708 --> 05:28:58,718
um i mean there's so much

8583
05:29:02,470 --> 05:29:00,718
out there to be explored i mean it's

8584
05:29:03,670 --> 05:29:02,480
absolutely extraordinary

8585
05:29:06,070 --> 05:29:03,680
um

8586
05:29:07,990 --> 05:29:06,080
and as i said this phenomenon does not

8587
05:29:09,830 --> 05:29:08,000
necessarily want to be

8588
05:29:11,110 --> 05:29:09,840
you know explored unknown

8589
05:29:15,590 --> 05:29:11,120
so

8590
05:29:17,270 --> 05:29:15,600
i mean if you follow the skinwalker

8591
05:29:19,350 --> 05:29:17,280
ranch

8592
05:29:21,830 --> 05:29:19,360
disclosures and you know the new book by

8593
05:29:24,390 --> 05:29:21,840
george knapp and colin

8594
05:29:26,150 --> 05:29:24,400
kelleher

8595
05:29:28,548 --> 05:29:26,160
which is fascinating i found absolutely

8596
05:29:31,430 --> 05:29:28,558
fascinating

8597
05:29:34,628 --> 05:29:31,440
that uh i don't think we're in danger of

8598
05:29:36,628 --> 05:29:34,638
of getting to the end very quickly

8599
05:29:39,750 --> 05:29:36,638
i i echo that sentiment it's a rich

8600
05:29:41,750 --> 05:29:39,760
pasture for fertile investigation and

8601
05:29:43,430 --> 05:29:41,760
i've got no intention of dropping it

8602
05:29:45,030 --> 05:29:43,440
sean i'm gonna have to buy out my friend

8603
05:29:47,110 --> 05:29:45,040
because i've promised my wife i'd be

8604
05:29:49,270 --> 05:29:47,120
ready for a noon luncheon with some

8605
05:29:51,430 --> 05:29:49,280
friends so i'd better bolt

8606
05:29:53,590 --> 05:29:51,440
so uh merry christmas to all of you

8607
05:29:54,548 --> 05:29:53,600
thank you merry christmas ross take care

8608
05:29:55,910 --> 05:29:54,558
of ross

8609
05:29:58,310 --> 05:29:55,920
thanks for that gift for us you take

8610
05:30:00,788 --> 05:29:58,320
care we'll see you in january okay guys

8611
05:30:03,590 --> 05:30:00,798
see ya bye

8612
05:30:06,548 --> 05:30:03,600
oh that was great that was awesome

8613
05:30:09,030 --> 05:30:06,558
and ralph thanks for you know uh

8614
05:30:11,670 --> 05:30:09,040
going back and forth with him uh like

8615
05:30:13,270 --> 05:30:11,680
that for so many of us here watching and

8616
05:30:15,110 --> 05:30:13,280
intersect with him i mean we don't have

8617
05:30:16,548 --> 05:30:15,120
too many chances to talk like that so it

8618
05:30:18,628 --> 05:30:16,558
was terrific

8619
05:30:20,868 --> 05:30:18,638
i would like to say it's it's lovely to

8620
05:30:22,548 --> 05:30:20,878
see ralph obviously but ralph we miss

8621
05:30:26,788 --> 05:30:22,558
your office and your beautiful pictures

8622
05:30:31,590 --> 05:30:28,628
i moved my venue to be closer to the

8623
05:30:33,190 --> 05:30:31,600
sourcing of the wi-fi

8624
05:30:35,270 --> 05:30:33,200
let let me

8625
05:30:37,270 --> 05:30:35,280
start off with um

8626
05:30:40,310 --> 05:30:37,280
um asking one question then i'm going to

8627
05:30:42,230 --> 05:30:40,320
bow out for a little bit and and and let

8628
05:30:43,990 --> 05:30:42,240
you know and just watch and

8629
05:30:45,750 --> 05:30:44,000
and you know take care of business here

8630
05:30:47,910 --> 05:30:45,760
and maybe jake and and

8631
05:30:50,548 --> 05:30:47,920
can run the show for me but i got this

8632
05:30:51,670 --> 05:30:50,558
got it got to do something um but i'll

8633
05:30:53,990 --> 05:30:51,680
be right here

8634
05:30:56,230 --> 05:30:54,000
but i would just want to start off um

8635
05:30:58,470 --> 05:30:56,240
with this first [\h__\h] congratulations

8636
05:31:00,868 --> 05:30:58,480
it's been uh four years just about since

8637
05:31:03,590 --> 05:31:00,878
you completely shifted the paradigm of

8638
05:31:06,230 --> 05:31:03,600
the subject in the public in the public

8639
05:31:07,990 --> 05:31:06,240
eye and i'm really grateful and

8640
05:31:10,070 --> 05:31:08,000
honored and blessed to have you on this

8641
05:31:12,470 --> 05:31:10,080
show at that time especially when the

8642
05:31:14,628 --> 05:31:12,480
gilded brain amendment is is passed

8643
05:31:17,030 --> 05:31:14,638
um all those things coming together

8644
05:31:21,110 --> 05:31:17,040
are really special um

8645
05:31:22,868 --> 05:31:21,120
but what um i wanted to ask you is

8646
05:31:24,788 --> 05:31:22,878
you know when you initially sent that

8647
05:31:26,708 --> 05:31:24,798
piece off and when you were confident

8648
05:31:28,548 --> 05:31:26,718
they were gonna you know um put it in

8649
05:31:30,628 --> 05:31:28,558
the paper you know

8650
05:31:31,830 --> 05:31:30,638
you know just in general

8651
05:31:35,190 --> 05:31:31,840
um

8652
05:31:38,390 --> 05:31:35,200
where did you first of all think of uh

8653
05:31:39,910 --> 05:31:38,400
where it would go or be at this point

8654
05:31:42,310 --> 05:31:39,920
and if so

8655
05:31:43,990 --> 05:31:42,320
um how is that thought different from

8656
05:31:45,670 --> 05:31:44,000
where we are now

8657
05:31:47,510 --> 05:31:45,680
well it was really hard to imagine the

8658
05:31:49,430 --> 05:31:47,520
effect i mean you know a lot of people

8659
05:31:51,430 --> 05:31:49,440
say that it changed the paradigm i'm

8660
05:31:52,948 --> 05:31:51,440
very flattered to hear that uh we didn't

8661
05:31:54,150 --> 05:31:52,958
think that at the time we knew we had a

8662
05:31:55,670 --> 05:31:54,160
good story

8663
05:31:58,230 --> 05:31:55,680
um

8664
05:31:59,910 --> 05:31:58,240
but uh you know the fact that it would

8665
05:32:02,470 --> 05:31:59,920
sort of break down the barriers against

8666
05:32:04,390 --> 05:32:02,480
mainstream uh you know press reporting

8667
05:32:06,070 --> 05:32:04,400
of the subject it didn't didn't seem

8668
05:32:07,510 --> 05:32:06,080
likely at the time

8669
05:32:09,110 --> 05:32:07,520
it seemed like a very small step for

8670
05:32:11,910 --> 05:32:09,120
mankind

8671
05:32:13,910 --> 05:32:11,920
if any at the time

8672
05:32:16,310 --> 05:32:13,920
although as i say we we knew we had a

8673
05:32:18,230 --> 05:32:16,320
good story but as often happens in

8674
05:32:20,470 --> 05:32:18,240
journalism you don't know where things

8675
05:32:23,350 --> 05:32:20,480
will go and i must say i think we were

8676
05:32:25,750 --> 05:32:23,360
lucky we came in at the right time the

8677
05:32:29,110 --> 05:32:25,760
planets were aligned uh it was just a

8678
05:32:30,788 --> 05:32:29,120
very good time to bring that up um

8679
05:32:32,628 --> 05:32:30,798
and i don't know exactly why that is i

8680
05:32:35,590 --> 05:32:32,638
mean this this story's been around

8681
05:32:39,030 --> 05:32:35,600
obviously since you know 1947 if not

8682
05:32:41,110 --> 05:32:39,040
earlier uh and what made it uh so big

8683
05:32:43,350 --> 05:32:41,120
now suddenly but there's a momentum that

8684
05:32:45,590 --> 05:32:43,360
builds up and new stories have a life of

8685
05:32:46,390 --> 05:32:45,600
their own you know i found in my career

8686
05:32:47,990 --> 05:32:46,400
um

8687
05:32:50,070 --> 05:32:48,000
sometimes the story just sinks out of

8688
05:32:53,030 --> 05:32:50,080
sight it's a big story but it just seems

8689
05:32:55,430 --> 05:32:53,040
to pass and other times it seems

8690
05:32:57,510 --> 05:32:55,440
to to get to gain momentum as time

8691
05:32:59,110 --> 05:32:57,520
passes and seem more pivotal

8692
05:33:01,910 --> 05:32:59,120
um and i think this was one of those

8693
05:33:04,150 --> 05:33:01,920
times it just caught the zeitgeist

8694
05:33:05,750 --> 05:33:04,160
um there was a lot of pent-up feeling

8695
05:33:07,430 --> 05:33:05,760
that you know the issue had not been

8696
05:33:08,548 --> 05:33:07,440
handled well by the government to say

8697
05:33:09,670 --> 05:33:08,558
the least

8698
05:33:15,110 --> 05:33:09,680
um

8699
05:33:17,590 --> 05:33:15,120
it just fell into a little gap in in the

8700
05:33:19,910 --> 05:33:17,600
news you know uh cycle

8701
05:33:21,430 --> 05:33:19,920
uh but for for whatever reason it it

8702
05:33:22,868 --> 05:33:21,440
suddenly seemed to and i think the

8703
05:33:24,708 --> 05:33:22,878
videos had a lot to do with that too

8704
05:33:27,350 --> 05:33:24,718
because we're in an era now

8705
05:33:29,350 --> 05:33:27,360
of uh you know electronic i mean the

8706
05:33:30,708 --> 05:33:29,360
clinic electronic

8707
05:33:32,708 --> 05:33:30,718
social media

8708
05:33:33,670 --> 05:33:32,718
media revolution

8709
05:33:36,070 --> 05:33:33,680
where

8710
05:33:38,470 --> 05:33:36,080
you have access to video like that and

8711
05:33:41,030 --> 05:33:38,480
you know social media and that we never

8712
05:33:43,030 --> 05:33:41,040
had before so a story can really catch

8713
05:33:46,310 --> 05:33:43,040
on and i guess that's what happened

8714
05:33:47,670 --> 05:33:46,320
those videos have been seen and replayed

8715
05:33:48,788 --> 05:33:47,680
they're everywhere

8716
05:33:53,270 --> 05:33:48,798
um

8717
05:33:57,350 --> 05:33:53,280
question i didn't think it would have

8718
05:33:59,750 --> 05:33:57,360
the effect it had i'm glad it did and um

8719
05:34:01,750 --> 05:33:59,760
uh but uh you know the reporting that

8720
05:34:03,030 --> 05:34:01,760
leslie and i did since then those those

8721
05:34:03,830 --> 05:34:03,040
stories didn't

8722
05:34:05,750 --> 05:34:03,840
uh

8723
05:34:07,990 --> 05:34:05,760
you know fall into the paper they they

8724
05:34:09,030 --> 05:34:08,000
we had to struggle some of them

8725
05:34:12,470 --> 05:34:09,040
um

8726
05:34:14,628 --> 05:34:12,480
it wasn't always easy but we've been

8727
05:34:16,788 --> 05:34:14,638
very gratified by the response

8728
05:34:19,910 --> 05:34:16,798
the other interesting aspect of this

8729
05:34:21,030 --> 05:34:19,920
show i must say is that we are here with

8730
05:34:23,190 --> 05:34:21,040
um

8731
05:34:27,590 --> 05:34:23,200
uh kirsten

8732
05:34:29,350 --> 05:34:27,600
and uh ralph here who wrote a beautiful

8733
05:34:30,708 --> 05:34:29,360
article that came out not too long ago

8734
05:34:32,150 --> 05:34:30,718
with both of them

8735
05:34:34,548 --> 05:34:32,160
in it

8736
05:34:37,110 --> 05:34:34,558
so maybe one more question but

8737
05:34:39,590 --> 05:34:37,120
um how was it like

8738
05:34:42,230 --> 05:34:39,600
working with them and

8739
05:34:46,310 --> 05:34:42,240
you feel like kind of a sense of

8740
05:34:50,948 --> 05:34:46,320
duty to portray this story

8741
05:34:55,350 --> 05:34:52,548
when you say on their behalf who do you

8742
05:34:57,270 --> 05:34:55,360
mean well jay and you know kirsten when

8743
05:34:58,948 --> 05:34:57,280
you're telling their stories um well and

8744
05:35:01,830 --> 05:34:58,958
i actually wasn't sorry to interrupt you

8745
05:35:03,910 --> 05:35:01,840
sean i wasn't actually in the article um

8746
05:35:05,750 --> 05:35:03,920
as one of the experiencers um but i'm

8747
05:35:07,910 --> 05:35:05,760
part of the experiencer group so but jay

8748
05:35:09,190 --> 05:35:07,920
was yeah right

8749
05:35:11,190 --> 05:35:09,200
oh i didn't know

8750
05:35:13,670 --> 05:35:11,200
about the experiences yeah yeah yeah who

8751
05:35:15,750 --> 05:35:13,680
is the i met

8752
05:35:17,110 --> 05:35:15,760
there was jennifer

8753
05:35:18,868 --> 05:35:17,120
robin maybe

8754
05:35:20,948 --> 05:35:18,878
maybe he's robin yes

8755
05:35:24,708 --> 05:35:20,958
right

8756
05:35:25,670 --> 05:35:24,718
so how is that taking that um that on in

8757
05:35:28,470 --> 05:35:25,680
um

8758
05:35:30,628 --> 05:35:28,480
you know just that's a sensitive topic

8759
05:35:32,548 --> 05:35:30,638
to take on and try to portray to a lot

8760
05:35:33,350 --> 05:35:32,558
of people the right way

8761
05:35:34,708 --> 05:35:33,360
um

8762
05:35:37,270 --> 05:35:34,718
you know how do you go about doing

8763
05:35:39,430 --> 05:35:37,280
something like that i suppose

8764
05:35:41,910 --> 05:35:39,440
well with a great deal of humility

8765
05:35:43,750 --> 05:35:41,920
um you know i i mean uh

8766
05:35:45,830 --> 05:35:43,760
i want to be absolutely straight on this

8767
05:35:48,150 --> 05:35:45,840
none of our reporting for the times has

8768
05:35:49,270 --> 05:35:48,160
really touched on experiencers and

8769
05:35:51,270 --> 05:35:49,280
abduction

8770
05:35:52,708 --> 05:35:51,280
um

8771
05:35:53,910 --> 05:35:52,718
aliens

8772
05:35:55,350 --> 05:35:53,920
because

8773
05:35:56,868 --> 05:35:55,360
that is really

8774
05:35:58,150 --> 05:35:56,878
um

8775
05:36:00,628 --> 05:35:58,160
so

8776
05:36:03,590 --> 05:36:00,638
it's just another

8777
05:36:04,628 --> 05:36:03,600
a quantum leap in terms of uh you know

8778
05:36:06,310 --> 05:36:04,638
uh

8779
05:36:08,150 --> 05:36:06,320
backup information

8780
05:36:10,310 --> 05:36:08,160
uh so so we we're not there with the

8781
05:36:12,708 --> 05:36:10,320
times on that uh the stories have all

8782
05:36:14,390 --> 05:36:12,718
been about these objects and as i say

8783
05:36:15,590 --> 05:36:14,400
well we've gotten to the point i think

8784
05:36:17,430 --> 05:36:15,600
it's a great breakthrough that at least

8785
05:36:19,430 --> 05:36:17,440
we now can say the objects are real and

8786
05:36:21,110 --> 05:36:19,440
the times has basically acknowledged

8787
05:36:22,868 --> 05:36:21,120
that with its with our reporting in the

8788
05:36:24,868 --> 05:36:22,878
videos that these things are not

8789
05:36:26,948 --> 05:36:24,878
hallucinations they're not fly specs on

8790
05:36:28,868 --> 05:36:26,958
the windshield they're not marsh gas

8791
05:36:30,948 --> 05:36:28,878
they're not you know mental illness

8792
05:36:32,470 --> 05:36:30,958
there's some real thing out there that

8793
05:36:34,788 --> 05:36:32,480
nobody you know they don't know where it

8794
05:36:36,708 --> 05:36:34,798
comes from uh is it intelligent who's

8795
05:36:38,390 --> 05:36:36,718
sending it you know from where how does

8796
05:36:40,868 --> 05:36:38,400
it get here none of those questions have

8797
05:36:44,230 --> 05:36:40,878
been addressed but so that part

8798
05:36:47,030 --> 05:36:44,240
i think is uh is is is fascinating in

8799
05:36:47,830 --> 05:36:47,040
itself but we're not talking about

8800
05:36:49,270 --> 05:36:47,840
uh

8801
05:36:50,548 --> 05:36:49,280
alien intelligence we're not talking

8802
05:36:52,390 --> 05:36:50,558
about abductions we're not talking about

8803
05:36:53,750 --> 05:36:52,400
experiences in the new york times yet

8804
05:36:54,548 --> 05:36:53,760
maybe we'll we'll get there at some

8805
05:36:55,590 --> 05:36:54,558
point

8806
05:36:59,910 --> 05:36:55,600
um

8807
05:37:02,470 --> 05:36:59,920
but when i did my book on john mack and

8808
05:37:04,708 --> 05:37:02,480
i got into his research and i i met

8809
05:37:07,430 --> 05:37:04,718
experiences of my own i reached out to

8810
05:37:10,708 --> 05:37:07,440
them and heard the stories um it

8811
05:37:13,830 --> 05:37:10,718
absolutely uh you know put me on an

8812
05:37:15,510 --> 05:37:13,840
amazing you know voyage to to learn as

8813
05:37:17,430 --> 05:37:15,520
much as i could about it

8814
05:37:19,510 --> 05:37:17,440
and um

8815
05:37:22,548 --> 05:37:19,520
so that's why i put together this story

8816
05:37:25,830 --> 05:37:22,558
that eventually ran in the debrief

8817
05:37:27,350 --> 05:37:25,840
uh and i am very flattered that the

8818
05:37:29,110 --> 05:37:27,360
experience has trusted me enough with

8819
05:37:32,070 --> 05:37:29,120
their story because

8820
05:37:33,190 --> 05:37:32,080
what they what you i should say

8821
05:37:36,390 --> 05:37:33,200
and they

8822
05:37:38,310 --> 05:37:36,400
uh face uh in terms of skepticism and

8823
05:37:41,110 --> 05:37:38,320
ridicule and uh

8824
05:37:43,750 --> 05:37:41,120
scorn and and all the other things uh is

8825
05:37:46,628 --> 05:37:43,760
is extraordinary and uh to be willing

8826
05:37:48,788 --> 05:37:46,638
and again i made sure that i i had their

8827
05:37:51,110 --> 05:37:48,798
their their full names and their stories

8828
05:37:52,310 --> 05:37:51,120
you know this was not anonymous because

8829
05:37:54,470 --> 05:37:52,320
anonymous

8830
05:37:56,470 --> 05:37:54,480
stories don't have the same power

8831
05:37:58,390 --> 05:37:56,480
uh but when people put their names to a

8832
05:37:59,350 --> 05:37:58,400
story and you can tell people who they

8833
05:38:02,868 --> 05:37:59,360
are and

8834
05:38:04,948 --> 05:38:02,878
um in some cases their photographs um it

8835
05:38:06,788 --> 05:38:04,958
it it's something else so

8836
05:38:09,590 --> 05:38:06,798
i was deeply touched that they trusted

8837
05:38:11,670 --> 05:38:09,600
me with their stories i'm i'm amazed

8838
05:38:13,670 --> 05:38:11,680
and and i can't do justice to these

8839
05:38:14,948 --> 05:38:13,680
stories because they are more strange

8840
05:38:17,190 --> 05:38:14,958
and more

8841
05:38:18,868 --> 05:38:17,200
extraordinary than you could ever put

8842
05:38:22,470 --> 05:38:18,878
down i mean if you

8843
05:38:25,590 --> 05:38:22,480
i i wrote maybe a tiny fraction of of of

8844
05:38:27,270 --> 05:38:25,600
the stuff that they told me because

8845
05:38:28,470 --> 05:38:27,280
the other stuff was just impossible to

8846
05:38:29,510 --> 05:38:28,480
convey

8847
05:38:31,430 --> 05:38:29,520
right

8848
05:38:33,190 --> 05:38:31,440
no in in a sense you guys were kind of

8849
05:38:34,708 --> 05:38:33,200
both doing something for the first time

8850
05:38:36,628 --> 05:38:34,718
together too you're kind of taking a

8851
05:38:38,628 --> 05:38:36,638
risk writing that and trying to get it

8852
05:38:41,030 --> 05:38:38,638
out there as well as you know jay and

8853
05:38:42,548 --> 05:38:41,040
the others for um putting their story

8854
05:38:45,190 --> 05:38:42,558
out there publicly for the first time

8855
05:38:46,708 --> 05:38:45,200
with that um i gotta let other people

8856
05:38:49,670 --> 05:38:46,718
talk

8857
05:38:53,270 --> 05:38:49,680
yeah i i do wanna say ralph um just

8858
05:38:56,628 --> 05:38:53,280
briefly you know um

8859
05:38:59,430 --> 05:38:56,638
the experience of of of working with you

8860
05:39:02,868 --> 05:38:59,440
having you kind of synopsize

8861
05:39:05,110 --> 05:39:02,878
uh my my case history um working with

8862
05:39:06,628 --> 05:39:05,120
stuart and karen and robin and other

8863
05:39:08,708 --> 05:39:06,638
people that i i've

8864
05:39:09,590 --> 05:39:08,718
that i and kirsten have known for quite

8865
05:39:10,708 --> 05:39:09,600
a while

8866
05:39:12,788 --> 05:39:10,718
um

8867
05:39:15,030 --> 05:39:12,798
it it has been

8868
05:39:16,830 --> 05:39:15,040
absolutely life-changing for my personal

8869
05:39:18,788 --> 05:39:16,840
development you know it's been

8870
05:39:21,190 --> 05:39:18,798
absolutely

8871
05:39:22,470 --> 05:39:21,200
completely it's shifted my whole life

8872
05:39:25,270 --> 05:39:22,480
and i

8873
05:39:27,030 --> 05:39:25,280
and not just that but of course you know

8874
05:39:30,070 --> 05:39:27,040
here we are in the fourth

8875
05:39:33,190 --> 05:39:30,080
year anniversary of you and leslie and

8876
05:39:34,948 --> 05:39:33,200
helene's uh

8877
05:39:37,510 --> 05:39:34,958
article on the on the cover the new york

8878
05:39:38,868 --> 05:39:37,520
times you know the amount that you have

8879
05:39:40,788 --> 05:39:38,878
helped

8880
05:39:43,190 --> 05:39:40,798
change the debate not just for the

8881
05:39:45,670 --> 05:39:43,200
public specter

8882
05:39:46,548 --> 05:39:45,680
the public conversation but the amount

8883
05:39:53,350 --> 05:39:46,558
of

8884
05:39:54,150 --> 05:39:53,360
for experiencers

8885
05:39:57,430 --> 05:39:54,160
from

8886
05:39:59,830 --> 05:39:57,440
the the david fravors to

8887
05:40:03,030 --> 05:39:59,840
to the people that will never be known

8888
05:40:06,708 --> 05:40:03,040
you know is is absolutely

8889
05:40:09,750 --> 05:40:06,718
incredible and so admirable

8890
05:40:11,590 --> 05:40:09,760
so thank you thank you so much

8891
05:40:13,350 --> 05:40:11,600
thank you thank you for trusting me with

8892
05:40:14,868 --> 05:40:13,360
your stories

8893
05:40:17,350 --> 05:40:14,878
and i would just like to follow that up

8894
05:40:19,910 --> 05:40:17,360
because i feel exactly the same way from

8895
05:40:22,868 --> 05:40:19,920
the point of view of experiencers um

8896
05:40:26,310 --> 05:40:22,878
that article started a whole snowball

8897
05:40:30,070 --> 05:40:26,320
effect i believe um and as you said the

8898
05:40:31,830 --> 05:40:30,080
the the plight of the experiencer uh has

8899
05:40:33,910 --> 05:40:31,840
not come

8900
05:40:35,590 --> 05:40:33,920
up to the level of the new york times

8901
05:40:37,430 --> 05:40:35,600
just yet but

8902
05:40:39,350 --> 05:40:37,440
experiencers are

8903
05:40:40,788 --> 05:40:39,360
were able to talk and

8904
05:40:42,868 --> 05:40:40,798
one of the things that occurred to me

8905
05:40:45,590 --> 05:40:42,878
today and getting ready for this uh and

8906
05:40:49,590 --> 05:40:45,600
first of all i want to say hi to vinnie

8907
05:40:52,868 --> 05:40:49,600
and hi to benji and christopher and hi

8908
05:40:55,830 --> 05:40:52,878
hello jay who i see all the time but

8909
05:40:58,150 --> 05:40:55,840
lovely to see you in a tie my dear um

8910
05:40:59,990 --> 05:40:58,160
and ralph lovely to see you again it's

8911
05:41:01,030 --> 05:41:00,000
uh been a couple months i guess a month

8912
05:41:03,270 --> 05:41:01,040
and a half

8913
05:41:05,270 --> 05:41:03,280
i saw you yeah but you know one of the

8914
05:41:06,548 --> 05:41:05,280
things that sort of brings these

8915
05:41:08,548 --> 05:41:06,558
um

8916
05:41:10,628 --> 05:41:08,558
the revealing of these objects in sort

8917
05:41:12,628 --> 05:41:10,638
of the military aspect to the

8918
05:41:15,430 --> 05:41:12,638
experiencers is that right in the middle

8919
05:41:16,868 --> 05:41:15,440
we've got the military experiencers

8920
05:41:19,830 --> 05:41:16,878
and the

8921
05:41:21,030 --> 05:41:19,840
um also the experiencers from

8922
05:41:22,788 --> 05:41:21,040
um

8923
05:41:24,390 --> 05:41:22,798
you know aerospace

8924
05:41:25,270 --> 05:41:24,400
and nuclear

8925
05:41:26,628 --> 05:41:25,280
tech

8926
05:41:28,150 --> 05:41:26,638
and beyond

8927
05:41:31,430 --> 05:41:28,160
um who

8928
05:41:34,230 --> 05:41:31,440
have kept these secrets

8929
05:41:36,868 --> 05:41:34,240
inside of themselves first for sometimes

8930
05:41:39,190 --> 05:41:36,878
a life practically a lifetime

8931
05:41:41,270 --> 05:41:39,200
and now um

8932
05:41:43,430 --> 05:41:41,280
these things can come out

8933
05:41:45,110 --> 05:41:43,440
um they're coming out slowly but they're

8934
05:41:47,270 --> 05:41:45,120
happening and um

8935
05:41:49,030 --> 05:41:47,280
this is a an issue close to my heart

8936
05:41:50,868 --> 05:41:49,040
because my grandfather

8937
05:41:54,628 --> 05:41:50,878
worked for lockheed martin

8938
05:41:55,750 --> 05:41:54,638
and in the space program and also in

8939
05:41:57,350 --> 05:41:55,760
defense

8940
05:42:00,948 --> 05:41:57,360
and was

8941
05:42:02,788 --> 05:42:00,958
absolutely unable to speak about his job

8942
05:42:04,868 --> 05:42:02,798
whatsoever couldn't say a word about

8943
05:42:07,110 --> 05:42:04,878
what he did let me ask you did did you

8944
05:42:08,788 --> 05:42:07,120
ever get a sense from him that that they

8945
05:42:11,030 --> 05:42:08,798
were holding material that he couldn't

8946
05:42:13,670 --> 05:42:11,040
talk about or anything like that i mean

8947
05:42:15,270 --> 05:42:13,680
you know it's it's interesting because

8948
05:42:17,430 --> 05:42:15,280
um

8949
05:42:20,150 --> 05:42:17,440
in hindsight i actually wouldn't be

8950
05:42:22,230 --> 05:42:20,160
surprised i have no way of knowing um

8951
05:42:23,910 --> 05:42:22,240
but my grandfather

8952
05:42:27,350 --> 05:42:23,920
worked at moffett field which is right

8953
05:42:29,750 --> 05:42:27,360
there in sunnyvale and uh also right

8954
05:42:31,430 --> 05:42:29,760
around where stanford research institute

8955
05:42:35,430 --> 05:42:31,440
was doing all their work

8956
05:42:37,990 --> 05:42:35,440
um and he you know i would ask him every

8957
05:42:40,230 --> 05:42:38,000
day when i saw him what he did at work

8958
05:42:42,230 --> 05:42:40,240
that day and he's like i can't tell you

8959
05:42:43,110 --> 05:42:42,240
won't tell you you know

8960
05:42:44,150 --> 05:42:43,120
and

8961
05:42:45,990 --> 05:42:44,160
but one of the things about my

8962
05:42:48,310 --> 05:42:46,000
grandfather that points to these heavy

8963
05:42:50,470 --> 05:42:48,320
secrets is that he had a psychotic break

8964
05:42:52,948 --> 05:42:50,480
in the 1950s

8965
05:42:55,270 --> 05:42:52,958
um and had to have shock treatment

8966
05:42:57,670 --> 05:42:55,280
and of course that was not

8967
05:42:59,910 --> 05:42:57,680
he could not talk about that

8968
05:43:01,350 --> 05:42:59,920
um to anyone besides my grandmother

8969
05:43:03,110 --> 05:43:01,360
because he would have lost his security

8970
05:43:04,948 --> 05:43:03,120
clearance

8971
05:43:07,150 --> 05:43:04,958
and we didn't know that the rest of the

8972
05:43:09,510 --> 05:43:07,160
family didn't even know that until the

8973
05:43:11,830 --> 05:43:09,520
1990s when he had another psychotic

8974
05:43:13,670 --> 05:43:11,840
break after he retired

8975
05:43:16,788 --> 05:43:13,680
and this is a story we hear again and

8976
05:43:17,910 --> 05:43:16,798
again and again in uh with experiencers

8977
05:43:19,990 --> 05:43:17,920
is these

8978
05:43:22,150 --> 05:43:20,000
these psychotic breaks and mental

8979
05:43:24,070 --> 05:43:22,160
breakdowns within aerospace so that's

8980
05:43:27,990 --> 05:43:24,080
the only

8981
05:43:29,270 --> 05:43:28,000
he was carrying something quite heavy

8982
05:43:31,590 --> 05:43:29,280
wow

8983
05:43:33,030 --> 05:43:31,600
um well as you know as john mack found

8984
05:43:33,990 --> 05:43:33,040
and so many others

8985
05:43:35,750 --> 05:43:34,000
um

8986
05:43:39,430 --> 05:43:35,760
the relationship of any kind of

8987
05:43:42,150 --> 05:43:39,440
psychotic break and mental illness um

8988
05:43:44,310 --> 05:43:42,160
the illness was not the source of the

8989
05:43:46,310 --> 05:43:44,320
experience if anything was the it was

8990
05:43:48,708 --> 05:43:46,320
the other way around the experience was

8991
05:43:49,750 --> 05:43:48,718
so powerful that it caused all kinds of

8992
05:43:53,030 --> 05:43:49,760
trauma

8993
05:43:54,470 --> 05:43:53,040
um but the um the story that had always

8994
05:43:56,150 --> 05:43:54,480
gone around was well these people are

8995
05:43:59,830 --> 05:43:56,160
mentally ill and that's why they're

8996
05:44:01,190 --> 05:43:59,840
hallucinating these experiences but

8997
05:44:03,510 --> 05:44:01,200
as we know

8998
05:44:05,750 --> 05:44:03,520
it's the other way around that the

8999
05:44:08,150 --> 05:44:05,760
weight of the experience is is so

9000
05:44:10,868 --> 05:44:08,160
difficult to bear

9001
05:44:12,708 --> 05:44:10,878
and you know when you talk about

9002
05:44:15,430 --> 05:44:12,718
what the experiences have had to endure

9003
05:44:18,230 --> 05:44:15,440
i've seen a lot of tapes of john mack

9004
05:44:20,390 --> 05:44:18,240
um taking his experiences on the road

9005
05:44:22,310 --> 05:44:20,400
and you know talking going on the oprah

9006
05:44:24,948 --> 05:44:22,320
show and other shows

9007
05:44:27,430 --> 05:44:24,958
and um it's really very disheartening

9008
05:44:29,270 --> 05:44:27,440
the the level of abuse that they were

9009
05:44:30,548 --> 05:44:29,280
and scorn and ridicule that they were

9010
05:44:33,270 --> 05:44:30,558
subject to

9011
05:44:35,670 --> 05:44:33,280
and um i think that that's a big factor

9012
05:44:37,190 --> 05:44:35,680
today why so many so so

9013
05:44:41,510 --> 05:44:37,200
many people don't want to share their

9014
05:44:44,150 --> 05:44:41,520
experiences because um uh of the way uh

9015
05:44:45,990 --> 05:44:44,160
historically they were treated and uh

9016
05:44:48,150 --> 05:44:46,000
you look at those videos of the old

9017
05:44:49,510 --> 05:44:48,160
shows i mean they're cringe-worthy to

9018
05:44:51,350 --> 05:44:49,520
see what

9019
05:44:53,510 --> 05:44:51,360
uh what what happened and you know john

9020
05:44:55,030 --> 05:44:53,520
mack as i say in my book

9021
05:44:57,430 --> 05:44:55,040
he certainly wasn't perfect he made some

9022
05:44:59,590 --> 05:44:57,440
mistakes and one of the mistakes he made

9023
05:45:01,750 --> 05:44:59,600
was thinking that

9024
05:45:04,150 --> 05:45:01,760
this is a phenomenon that can be trotted

9025
05:45:06,628 --> 05:45:04,160
out for television or at least on that

9026
05:45:09,270 --> 05:45:06,638
those kind of talk shows

9027
05:45:11,110 --> 05:45:09,280
which uh were not geared to finding out

9028
05:45:12,788 --> 05:45:11,120
the truth of these experiences but

9029
05:45:15,670 --> 05:45:12,798
really it was entertainment and

9030
05:45:17,910 --> 05:45:15,680
sensationalism right so um

9031
05:45:19,590 --> 05:45:17,920
that was not a good way to handle these

9032
05:45:22,230 --> 05:45:19,600
accounts um

9033
05:45:24,150 --> 05:45:22,240
and uh but he was kind of guileless in

9034
05:45:25,990 --> 05:45:24,160
in the sense that he wanted to tell

9035
05:45:28,230 --> 05:45:26,000
everybody what he had learned and to you

9036
05:45:29,110 --> 05:45:28,240
know to to show this up for an audience

9037
05:45:30,390 --> 05:45:29,120
and to

9038
05:45:33,350 --> 05:45:30,400
put it out because he thought sort of

9039
05:45:35,430 --> 05:45:33,360
naively that if people knew the stories

9040
05:45:37,270 --> 05:45:35,440
that they would begin to understand that

9041
05:45:38,150 --> 05:45:37,280
these experiences were real on some

9042
05:45:39,190 --> 05:45:38,160
level

9043
05:45:40,150 --> 05:45:39,200
certainly

9044
05:45:42,628 --> 05:45:40,160
um

9045
05:45:45,110 --> 05:45:42,638
but uh it had the opposite effect it

9046
05:45:46,628 --> 05:45:45,120
really turned the public uh it

9047
05:45:49,190 --> 05:45:46,638
they be you know

9048
05:45:50,390 --> 05:45:49,200
became ridiculous and uh that was a

9049
05:45:52,150 --> 05:45:50,400
mistake

9050
05:45:53,670 --> 05:45:52,160
yeah well and how would he have known i

9051
05:45:55,830 --> 05:45:53,680
mean he was kind of the trailer

9052
05:45:58,948 --> 05:45:55,840
trailblazer

9053
05:46:00,788 --> 05:45:58,958
uh he was the first and uh it was such a

9054
05:46:01,990 --> 05:46:00,798
shock to him to hear these stories for

9055
05:46:04,470 --> 05:46:02,000
the first time when he heard them from

9056
05:46:05,190 --> 05:46:04,480
bud hopkins and then met that you know

9057
05:46:07,670 --> 05:46:05,200
he

9058
05:46:09,350 --> 05:46:07,680
convened his own circle of experiences

9059
05:46:10,548 --> 05:46:09,360
and heard the stories and he quickly

9060
05:46:12,868 --> 05:46:10,558
ruled out

9061
05:46:14,628 --> 05:46:12,878
um all the conventional explanations you

9062
05:46:16,948 --> 05:46:14,638
know mental illness they were looking

9063
05:46:19,350 --> 05:46:16,958
for to sell their stories they wanted to

9064
05:46:21,350 --> 05:46:19,360
become famous none of that was true the

9065
05:46:24,310 --> 05:46:21,360
people if anything as you know

9066
05:46:26,868 --> 05:46:24,320
were um desperately afraid of being

9067
05:46:28,230 --> 05:46:26,878
known and they were ashamed even though

9068
05:46:31,270 --> 05:46:28,240
they had nothing to be ashamed about

9069
05:46:32,868 --> 05:46:31,280
they were ashamed of these stories um

9070
05:46:35,350 --> 05:46:32,878
but um

9071
05:46:38,070 --> 05:46:35,360
uh he was just bubbling over with

9072
05:46:40,390 --> 05:46:38,080
enthusiasm to to share this amazing

9073
05:46:41,270 --> 05:46:40,400
thing he he he learned

9074
05:46:42,868 --> 05:46:41,280
and

9075
05:46:44,150 --> 05:46:42,878
again it was probably not the best

9076
05:46:47,510 --> 05:46:44,160
approach

9077
05:46:49,430 --> 05:46:47,520
yeah very very interesting um well

9078
05:46:51,350 --> 05:46:49,440
thank you again for being here i'm gonna

9079
05:46:52,948 --> 05:46:51,360
um i'm gonna i think someone else has a

9080
05:46:54,310 --> 05:46:52,958
question so i'm gonna

9081
05:46:56,868 --> 05:46:54,320
yield here

9082
05:46:59,350 --> 05:46:56,878
thank you kirsten and thank you ralph um

9083
05:47:01,510 --> 05:46:59,360
and and for those that don't know we

9084
05:47:02,868 --> 05:47:01,520
we were talking about this before ralph

9085
05:47:03,990 --> 05:47:02,878
that that

9086
05:47:06,548 --> 05:47:04,000
you know what

9087
05:47:08,390 --> 05:47:06,558
brought you you revealed earlier a few

9088
05:47:09,990 --> 05:47:08,400
months ago that what brought you and

9089
05:47:13,030 --> 05:47:10,000
leslie together

9090
05:47:15,270 --> 05:47:13,040
um initially how you guys met

9091
05:47:16,390 --> 05:47:15,280
was you actually researching the john

9092
05:47:19,110 --> 05:47:16,400
mack book

9093
05:47:21,830 --> 05:47:19,120
right um well over a decade ago way

9094
05:47:23,670 --> 05:47:21,840
before this front page article way back

9095
05:47:25,590 --> 05:47:23,680
before absolutely

9096
05:47:28,230 --> 05:47:25,600
i had no idea of anything for the new

9097
05:47:30,548 --> 05:47:28,240
york times back in 2004 i was in new

9098
05:47:32,628 --> 05:47:30,558
york times correspondent in texas and i

9099
05:47:35,110 --> 05:47:32,638
happened to cross a copy of john mack's

9100
05:47:37,430 --> 05:47:35,120
second book passport to the cosmos his

9101
05:47:38,868 --> 05:47:37,440
first book was abduction

9102
05:47:41,190 --> 05:47:38,878
the second book was passport to the

9103
05:47:43,190 --> 05:47:41,200
cosmos which was kind of toned down i

9104
05:47:47,350 --> 05:47:43,200
mean he had already learned

9105
05:47:49,110 --> 05:47:47,360
to avoid some of his early mistakes

9106
05:47:51,110 --> 05:47:49,120
so i saw that book and i read it and i

9107
05:47:53,350 --> 05:47:51,120
was amazed that a harvard psychiatrist

9108
05:47:55,750 --> 05:47:53,360
who had won a pulitzer prize by the way

9109
05:47:57,510 --> 05:47:55,760
for a biography of lawrence of arabia

9110
05:47:59,590 --> 05:47:57,520
who was so eminent in his field was

9111
05:48:00,628 --> 05:47:59,600
writing about you know aliens and alien

9112
05:48:03,590 --> 05:48:00,638
abduction

9113
05:48:06,150 --> 05:48:03,600
so um i said gee this is extraordinary i

9114
05:48:09,030 --> 05:48:06,160
got to interview this guy and now i was

9115
05:48:10,390 --> 05:48:09,040
naive because i had no idea how famous

9116
05:48:11,750 --> 05:48:10,400
he already was

9117
05:48:14,230 --> 05:48:11,760
um

9118
05:48:15,910 --> 05:48:14,240
this was 2004 he had already been the

9119
05:48:17,510 --> 05:48:15,920
subject of the harvard what i call the

9120
05:48:20,150 --> 05:48:17,520
harvard inquisition

9121
05:48:21,830 --> 05:48:20,160
uh which you know investigated him for

9122
05:48:26,150 --> 05:48:21,840
his uh

9123
05:48:29,670 --> 05:48:27,750
i had come across him and i thought that

9124
05:48:31,110 --> 05:48:29,680
he was unknown and i was going to call

9125
05:48:32,868 --> 05:48:31,120
him up and get an interview for the

9126
05:48:34,628 --> 05:48:32,878
times he'd already been in the times he

9127
05:48:36,310 --> 05:48:34,638
had been the subject of a magazine story

9128
05:48:37,910 --> 05:48:36,320
and other stories

9129
05:48:39,190 --> 05:48:37,920
and the next thing i pick up the paper

9130
05:48:42,788 --> 05:48:39,200
and find out he's been run over in

9131
05:48:44,788 --> 05:48:42,798
london um run down by a drunk driver um

9132
05:48:46,708 --> 05:48:44,798
the story immediately spread that he

9133
05:48:48,150 --> 05:48:46,718
he'd been assassinated which was not

9134
05:48:51,030 --> 05:48:48,160
true i found out

9135
05:48:52,628 --> 05:48:51,040
but um he was dead and uh

9136
05:48:54,390 --> 05:48:52,638
and that actually

9137
05:48:56,230 --> 05:48:54,400
you know piqued my interest even more i

9138
05:48:58,310 --> 05:48:56,240
couldn't interview him obviously but i

9139
05:49:00,390 --> 05:48:58,320
reached out to the family

9140
05:49:03,190 --> 05:49:00,400
and got access eventually to his

9141
05:49:05,590 --> 05:49:03,200
archives uh and his personal journals

9142
05:49:06,628 --> 05:49:05,600
and his tapes and stuff that was not

9143
05:49:09,110 --> 05:49:06,638
public

9144
05:49:11,670 --> 05:49:09,120
um he was a great record keeper

9145
05:49:14,070 --> 05:49:11,680
everything it was you know was taped and

9146
05:49:15,590 --> 05:49:14,080
videotaped and noted in his notebooks

9147
05:49:17,110 --> 05:49:15,600
and journals and

9148
05:49:19,670 --> 05:49:17,120
so i got access to that and that's what

9149
05:49:23,150 --> 05:49:19,680
started me off so that was 2004 and i

9150
05:49:27,030 --> 05:49:23,160
didn't start on the times story until

9151
05:49:28,310 --> 05:49:27,040
2017 13 years later

9152
05:49:29,750 --> 05:49:28,320
when leslie

9153
05:49:31,270 --> 05:49:29,760
who i had met in the course of my

9154
05:49:33,590 --> 05:49:31,280
research because she'd been the

9155
05:49:35,350 --> 05:49:33,600
companion of bud hopkins

9156
05:49:36,868 --> 05:49:35,360
so i certainly came across her name and

9157
05:49:37,990 --> 05:49:36,878
she helped me get access to some of

9158
05:49:40,230 --> 05:49:38,000
bud's

9159
05:49:42,390 --> 05:49:40,240
material and i had an interview with bud

9160
05:49:45,190 --> 05:49:42,400
before he died

9161
05:49:47,270 --> 05:49:45,200
but leslie came to me and said in 2017

9162
05:49:49,590 --> 05:49:47,280
she'd been at this meeting in washington

9163
05:49:51,430 --> 05:49:49,600
uh where lou elizondo was resigning

9164
05:49:53,910 --> 05:49:51,440
because he was unhappy with the way the

9165
05:49:55,910 --> 05:49:53,920
government was handling the ufo issue

9166
05:49:58,390 --> 05:49:55,920
but we had you know until then nobody

9167
05:49:59,910 --> 05:49:58,400
had any idea that there was a pentagon

9168
05:50:02,788 --> 05:49:59,920
ufo office

9169
05:50:03,910 --> 05:50:02,798
a tip that lou elizondo was the head of

9170
05:50:07,510 --> 05:50:03,920
so

9171
05:50:09,830 --> 05:50:07,520
people have asked me well

9172
05:50:11,350 --> 05:50:09,840
um did you

9173
05:50:15,350 --> 05:50:11,360
did the book grow out of your new york

9174
05:50:19,430 --> 05:50:17,590
yeah it's so important i think to hear

9175
05:50:21,350 --> 05:50:19,440
that and thank you so much ralph it's so

9176
05:50:23,830 --> 05:50:21,360
important to hear that you know chicken

9177
05:50:26,708 --> 05:50:23,840
and the egg issue uh in terms of like

9178
05:50:28,868 --> 05:50:26,718
where where did the initial inspiration

9179
05:50:31,670 --> 05:50:28,878
and just you know at this point it's

9180
05:50:33,910 --> 05:50:31,680
just a matter for history really

9181
05:50:35,830 --> 05:50:33,920
the idea of like how you and leslie got

9182
05:50:38,548 --> 05:50:35,840
together because it's it's been so

9183
05:50:40,868 --> 05:50:38,558
beneficial to the public record and

9184
05:50:41,750 --> 05:50:40,878
towards the history of ufology well i

9185
05:50:43,350 --> 05:50:41,760
mean

9186
05:50:45,990 --> 05:50:43,360
one you know she had broken all this

9187
05:50:47,270 --> 05:50:46,000
ground with her book in 2011

9188
05:50:50,310 --> 05:50:47,280
um

9189
05:50:53,270 --> 05:50:50,320
on ufos and pilots and

9190
05:50:55,110 --> 05:50:53,280
you know heads of state in france and

9191
05:50:56,708 --> 05:50:55,120
brazil and

9192
05:50:58,150 --> 05:50:56,718
other countries that have in many ways

9193
05:50:59,910 --> 05:50:58,160
been ahead of us in terms of

9194
05:51:01,110 --> 05:50:59,920
investigating ufos they didn't have

9195
05:51:03,590 --> 05:51:01,120
quite the same

9196
05:51:07,030 --> 05:51:03,600
uh ridicule factor operating in those

9197
05:51:09,030 --> 05:51:07,040
countries that we have here so they were

9198
05:51:10,150 --> 05:51:09,040
really kind of ahead of us and she wrote

9199
05:51:13,190 --> 05:51:10,160
a whole book

9200
05:51:16,390 --> 05:51:13,200
on um the approaches in other countries

9201
05:51:18,150 --> 05:51:16,400
in investigating this phenomenon um

9202
05:51:20,150 --> 05:51:18,160
so she's a real expert she's been at

9203
05:51:21,670 --> 05:51:20,160
this a long long time so she had the

9204
05:51:22,708 --> 05:51:21,680
sources so when she went down to

9205
05:51:24,628 --> 05:51:22,718
washington

9206
05:51:27,590 --> 05:51:24,638
to be part of this meeting

9207
05:51:29,270 --> 05:51:27,600
to hear um and she was uh

9208
05:51:31,510 --> 05:51:29,280
bowled over by the fact that there was a

9209
05:51:34,548 --> 05:51:31,520
secret pentagon office investigating

9210
05:51:36,070 --> 05:51:34,558
ufos uap as they called him because uh

9211
05:51:38,070 --> 05:51:36,080
officially the government was out of the

9212
05:51:40,708 --> 05:51:38,080
ufo business with blue book and you know

9213
05:51:42,868 --> 05:51:40,718
by the end of 1969

9214
05:51:44,310 --> 05:51:42,878
so um you know the government said

9215
05:51:47,350 --> 05:51:44,320
there's nothing to see here you know

9216
05:51:50,548 --> 05:51:47,360
they don't exist uh it's all explainable

9217
05:51:51,990 --> 05:51:50,558
even though there was 701 cases still

9218
05:51:52,948 --> 05:51:52,000
unexplained

9219
05:51:56,070 --> 05:51:52,958
um

9220
05:51:59,190 --> 05:51:56,080
so the fact that there was a pentagon

9221
05:52:01,510 --> 05:51:59,200
office actually operating uh thanks to

9222
05:52:04,070 --> 05:52:01,520
harry reid and the 22 million dollars he

9223
05:52:06,830 --> 05:52:04,080
got in you know black money to

9224
05:52:10,708 --> 05:52:06,840
you know pursue these investigations

9225
05:52:13,590 --> 05:52:10,718
um that was a revelation

9226
05:52:16,948 --> 05:52:13,600
thank you so much ralph i i know um

9227
05:52:19,350 --> 05:52:16,958
um christopher sharp uh has a question

9228
05:52:21,670 --> 05:52:19,360
for you he's a young independent

9229
05:52:23,190 --> 05:52:21,680
journalist running the liberation times

9230
05:52:27,190 --> 05:52:23,200
christopher uh

9231
05:52:37,510 --> 05:52:28,150
yo

9232
05:52:38,628 --> 05:52:37,520
yeah just all struck and yeah star

9233
05:52:39,670 --> 05:52:38,638
struck um

9234
05:52:44,390 --> 05:52:39,680
so

9235
05:52:47,110 --> 05:52:44,400
started this as a skeptic in terms of

9236
05:52:48,948 --> 05:52:47,120
experiences um and that was until i got

9237
05:52:51,190 --> 05:52:48,958
in touch with someone who's actually

9238
05:52:51,990 --> 05:52:51,200
part of your group jay um

9239
05:52:53,750 --> 05:52:52,000
and

9240
05:52:56,390 --> 05:52:53,760
she's only got so many great things to

9241
05:52:58,788 --> 05:52:56,400
say about you by the way um so that got

9242
05:52:59,830 --> 05:52:58,798
me really really interested

9243
05:53:02,230 --> 05:52:59,840
but it

9244
05:53:06,230 --> 05:53:02,240
it gets weirder i mean um there was a

9245
05:53:08,310 --> 05:53:06,240
story i was reading um which comes from

9246
05:53:11,670 --> 05:53:08,320
timothy good um

9247
05:53:14,548 --> 05:53:11,680
and it relates to sir peter horsley who

9248
05:53:15,990 --> 05:53:14,558
served in the royal household um under

9249
05:53:17,270 --> 05:53:16,000
prince philip

9250
05:53:19,190 --> 05:53:17,280
and

9251
05:53:24,190 --> 05:53:19,200
it really got me thinking because he

9252
05:53:27,750 --> 05:53:24,200
claims in his 1997 um biography that in

9253
05:53:30,788 --> 05:53:27,760
1954 i think it was that he was invited

9254
05:53:34,070 --> 05:53:30,798
by a former general of the british army

9255
05:53:36,470 --> 05:53:34,080
um to meet with an alien

9256
05:53:38,470 --> 05:53:36,480
called janice um

9257
05:53:40,948 --> 05:53:38,480
they had the meeting um

9258
05:53:42,150 --> 05:53:40,958
in on smith street in chelsea in

9259
05:53:43,350 --> 05:53:42,160
kensington

9260
05:53:44,470 --> 05:53:43,360
um

9261
05:53:47,990 --> 05:53:44,480
and

9262
05:53:48,948 --> 05:53:48,000
the the alien looked human

9263
05:53:50,948 --> 05:53:48,958
um

9264
05:53:52,390 --> 05:53:50,958
didn't look anything any different from

9265
05:53:54,548 --> 05:53:52,400
you know the person in the street very

9266
05:53:57,190 --> 05:53:54,558
very smartly dressed which is how

9267
05:54:00,070 --> 05:53:57,200
timothy good kind of kind of describes

9268
05:54:02,868 --> 05:54:00,080
um kind of human-looking tease i guess

9269
05:54:04,070 --> 05:54:02,878
and um peter horsley i mean a war hero

9270
05:54:07,030 --> 05:54:04,080
as well

9271
05:54:09,270 --> 05:54:07,040
very very high-ranking person um

9272
05:54:11,190 --> 05:54:09,280
he basically just said that in his

9273
05:54:14,230 --> 05:54:11,200
encounter he would think about a

9274
05:54:16,788 --> 05:54:14,240
question that he was going to ask and

9275
05:54:18,708 --> 05:54:16,798
before he could even say something

9276
05:54:20,708 --> 05:54:18,718
this person he met with just had the

9277
05:54:22,310 --> 05:54:20,718
answer straight away and said what he

9278
05:54:23,110 --> 05:54:22,320
answered what he was thinking in his

9279
05:54:25,270 --> 05:54:23,120
head

9280
05:54:26,708 --> 05:54:25,280
and he did that again and again so the

9281
05:54:28,628 --> 05:54:26,718
guy was thinking okay this is what i'm

9282
05:54:31,030 --> 05:54:28,638
going to ask this person next and

9283
05:54:34,230 --> 05:54:31,040
the guy would just say it um

9284
05:54:37,110 --> 05:54:34,240
and the guy apparently knew all of the

9285
05:54:41,030 --> 05:54:37,120
nuclear secrets of the uk

9286
05:54:42,470 --> 05:54:41,040
and i was like out astounded and um

9287
05:54:44,628 --> 05:54:42,480
he obviously went back and told prince

9288
05:54:46,868 --> 05:54:44,638
philip the story which is why principal

9289
05:54:48,548 --> 05:54:46,878
well partially why prince philip was so

9290
05:54:51,430 --> 05:54:48,558
interested in the topic

9291
05:54:52,868 --> 05:54:51,440
um but the astounding thing is that

9292
05:54:54,150 --> 05:54:52,878
i mean he was you were saying earlier

9293
05:54:57,430 --> 05:54:54,160
that experiences you know they were

9294
05:55:00,150 --> 05:54:57,440
called crazy and whatnot but this guy he

9295
05:55:02,548 --> 05:55:00,160
went on basically i think in that in the

9296
05:55:04,948 --> 05:55:02,558
late 60s and 70s to command he was like

9297
05:55:07,110 --> 05:55:04,958
one of the top guys in the raf

9298
05:55:09,510 --> 05:55:07,120
commanding like a squadron

9299
05:55:11,990 --> 05:55:09,520
no no commanding an air wing which could

9300
05:55:13,830 --> 05:55:12,000
basically send nuclear weapons to russia

9301
05:55:15,910 --> 05:55:13,840
so far be it from being crazy i mean

9302
05:55:16,868 --> 05:55:15,920
this guy went to the top

9303
05:55:18,548 --> 05:55:16,878
of the

9304
05:55:21,270 --> 05:55:18,558
you know echelons or the british

9305
05:55:23,110 --> 05:55:21,280
military um so i mean that really just

9306
05:55:25,350 --> 05:55:23,120
like it convinced me that there is

9307
05:55:27,350 --> 05:55:25,360
something going on and as i reported the

9308
05:55:29,910 --> 05:55:27,360
other day as well about the italian case

9309
05:55:32,948 --> 05:55:29,920
um looking at a leonid stringfield book

9310
05:55:34,548 --> 05:55:32,958
about um right patterson air force base

9311
05:55:37,430 --> 05:55:34,558
and there being these kind of like

9312
05:55:39,750 --> 05:55:37,440
nordic looking beings um that have been

9313
05:55:42,788 --> 05:55:39,760
brought over apparently from italy from

9314
05:55:43,990 --> 05:55:42,798
the italian crash of 1933

9315
05:55:45,590 --> 05:55:44,000
so

9316
05:55:47,270 --> 05:55:45,600
i i guess what i'm getting on to in

9317
05:55:48,868 --> 05:55:47,280
terms of questions boy this is really

9318
05:55:51,110 --> 05:55:48,878
long unwinding here

9319
05:55:52,868 --> 05:55:51,120
at the long and winding road um

9320
05:55:55,990 --> 05:55:52,878
so i mean

9321
05:55:57,670 --> 05:55:56,000
i i just guess like taking into account

9322
05:56:00,390 --> 05:55:57,680
um

9323
05:56:02,708 --> 05:56:00,400
what i think it came from bigelow that

9324
05:56:05,190 --> 05:56:02,718
they're walking among amongst us and

9325
05:56:07,430 --> 05:56:05,200
taking in account your experiences

9326
05:56:08,948 --> 05:56:07,440
kirsten and jay as well

9327
05:56:11,350 --> 05:56:08,958
what are we dealing with we did it

9328
05:56:13,670 --> 05:56:11,360
because we got on one side we've got

9329
05:56:15,910 --> 05:56:13,680
skinwalker which is kind of like these

9330
05:56:18,070 --> 05:56:15,920
strange entities we've also got like

9331
05:56:20,070 --> 05:56:18,080
shadow people

9332
05:56:22,070 --> 05:56:20,080
that i i think have been seen near

9333
05:56:23,430 --> 05:56:22,080
nuclear facilities i'm speaking to

9334
05:56:25,430 --> 05:56:23,440
someone at the moment who's experienced

9335
05:56:28,470 --> 05:56:25,440
this he was a nuclear technician

9336
05:56:29,670 --> 05:56:28,480
um nuclear weapons technician and then

9337
05:56:31,910 --> 05:56:29,680
kind of we've got all these older

9338
05:56:34,070 --> 05:56:31,920
accounts as well from like you know the

9339
05:56:36,788 --> 05:56:34,080
50s 60s and 70s about kind of like

9340
05:56:38,470 --> 05:56:36,798
human-looking um et's and actually the

9341
05:56:40,310 --> 05:56:38,480
experience that i i'm speaking to who

9342
05:56:42,310 --> 05:56:40,320
knows you jay was saying that they

9343
05:56:44,230 --> 05:56:42,320
they do look kind of a human the ones

9344
05:56:46,628 --> 05:56:44,240
that take her anyhow so

9345
05:56:47,830 --> 05:56:46,638
my question is

9346
05:56:49,350 --> 05:56:47,840
what do you think we're dealing with

9347
05:56:51,750 --> 05:56:49,360
here are we dealing with multiple

9348
05:56:55,750 --> 05:56:51,760
entities like all of the above or do you

9349
05:56:56,628 --> 05:56:55,760
think we're dealing with one phenomenon

9350
05:56:57,830 --> 05:56:56,638
wow

9351
05:56:59,350 --> 05:56:57,840
christopher

9352
05:57:07,590 --> 05:56:59,360
um

9353
05:57:11,910 --> 05:57:10,070
there are many stories of encounters

9354
05:57:14,628 --> 05:57:11,920
with with alien beings

9355
05:57:21,270 --> 05:57:18,548
and the difficulty uh

9356
05:57:23,190 --> 05:57:21,280
throughout is is verifying these stories

9357
05:57:25,350 --> 05:57:23,200
and they don't leave a lot of evidence

9358
05:57:27,430 --> 05:57:25,360
behind that's that's the problem that's

9359
05:57:29,350 --> 05:57:27,440
the problem john mack faced and he

9360
05:57:34,868 --> 05:57:29,360
acknowledged it he said he's only

9361
05:57:37,750 --> 05:57:34,878
dealing with with very fragmentary uh um

9362
05:57:41,830 --> 05:57:37,760
evidence bits of evidence uh among which

9363
05:57:45,510 --> 05:57:44,470
scars that people don't remember

9364
05:57:48,390 --> 05:57:45,520
uh

9365
05:57:50,150 --> 05:57:48,400
you know getting until they had this

9366
05:57:52,230 --> 05:57:50,160
encounter with

9367
05:57:53,110 --> 05:57:52,240
alien beings that they talked about

9368
05:57:56,390 --> 05:57:53,120
um

9369
05:57:58,070 --> 05:57:56,400
the association with ufos

9370
05:57:59,590 --> 05:57:58,080
so john mack was piecing this together

9371
05:58:01,990 --> 05:57:59,600
and he says well what is the evidence

9372
05:58:04,708 --> 05:58:02,000
that these beings exist so with the

9373
05:58:08,070 --> 05:58:04,718
scars the dissociation they were often

9374
05:58:11,670 --> 05:58:08,080
seen in association with ufos or landing

9375
05:58:12,390 --> 05:58:11,680
sometimes people were who said that

9376
05:58:15,270 --> 05:58:12,400
who

9377
05:58:17,910 --> 05:58:15,280
remembered later having been abducted

9378
05:58:20,150 --> 05:58:17,920
uh were found missing by third parties

9379
05:58:21,750 --> 05:58:20,160
including parents in one case

9380
05:58:23,590 --> 05:58:21,760
of children who said that they were

9381
05:58:27,270 --> 05:58:23,600
abducted so they're all these little

9382
05:58:32,070 --> 05:58:29,910
the landing sites of ufos showed some

9383
05:58:33,590 --> 05:58:32,080
disturbance of the of the grass and

9384
05:58:35,830 --> 05:58:33,600
trees etc

9385
05:58:38,868 --> 05:58:35,840
all which fall short

9386
05:58:40,628 --> 05:58:38,878
of producing an actual alien being

9387
05:58:42,070 --> 05:58:40,638
that's that's the problem

9388
05:58:42,948 --> 05:58:42,080
so

9389
05:58:48,390 --> 05:58:42,958
um

9390
05:58:50,470 --> 05:58:48,400
but anecdotal evidence as john mack said

9391
05:58:52,070 --> 05:58:50,480
has its place i mean people get

9392
05:58:55,510 --> 05:58:52,080
convicted in court and sentenced to

9393
05:58:56,628 --> 05:58:55,520
death on the basis of anecdotal evidence

9394
05:59:01,030 --> 05:58:56,638
um

9395
05:59:02,948 --> 05:59:01,040
so we we do uh give it some regard in in

9396
05:59:04,948 --> 05:59:02,958
in certain cases it's the only evidence

9397
05:59:07,270 --> 05:59:04,958
there is it's what john might call the

9398
05:59:08,470 --> 05:59:07,280
science of witnessing and the catholic

9399
05:59:11,430 --> 05:59:08,480
church has been

9400
05:59:14,070 --> 05:59:11,440
um you know notable in crediting the

9401
05:59:16,310 --> 05:59:14,080
accounts of witnesses in the

9402
05:59:18,070 --> 05:59:16,320
uh very strange stories of you know

9403
05:59:18,868 --> 05:59:18,080
mystical experiences

9404
05:59:20,590 --> 05:59:18,878
um

9405
05:59:23,750 --> 05:59:20,600
uh but again

9406
05:59:26,230 --> 05:59:23,760
um uh the difficulty is the lack of

9407
05:59:29,830 --> 05:59:26,240
physical evidence which we take as

9408
05:59:33,350 --> 05:59:29,840
as proof in our uh you know

9409
05:59:34,390 --> 05:59:33,360
mindset and the way we we verify things

9410
05:59:36,470 --> 05:59:34,400
um

9411
05:59:38,230 --> 05:59:36,480
so uh

9412
05:59:39,030 --> 05:59:38,240
not to say that these things can't be

9413
05:59:40,470 --> 05:59:39,040
true

9414
05:59:43,430 --> 05:59:40,480
uh it's just that we don't have the

9415
05:59:45,190 --> 05:59:43,440
tools yet to to to to properly

9416
05:59:47,430 --> 05:59:45,200
investigate these things so we have we

9417
05:59:49,670 --> 05:59:47,440
have to maintain a certain level of

9418
05:59:51,430 --> 05:59:49,680
distance of skepticism so there have

9419
05:59:53,670 --> 05:59:51,440
been all these stories of encounters

9420
05:59:54,470 --> 05:59:53,680
with aliens and um

9421
05:59:58,310 --> 05:59:54,480
uh

9422
06:00:01,430 --> 05:59:58,320
the the

9423
06:00:02,830 --> 06:00:01,440
the most recent um stories of the

9424
06:00:06,150 --> 06:00:02,840
israeli

9425
06:00:07,990 --> 06:00:06,160
um uh scientists who said that uh

9426
06:00:11,270 --> 06:00:08,000
there's a secret base on the moon i

9427
06:00:13,830 --> 06:00:11,280
think where aliens and and uh you know

9428
06:00:15,910 --> 06:00:13,840
uh human scientists are working together

9429
06:00:17,590 --> 06:00:15,920
and the people say well he's a notable

9430
06:00:18,708 --> 06:00:17,600
israeli scientist he must be telling the

9431
06:00:20,230 --> 06:00:18,718
truth well

9432
06:00:22,628 --> 06:00:20,240
it's just

9433
06:00:24,868 --> 06:00:22,638
hard to credit without

9434
06:00:25,750 --> 06:00:24,878
you know more more evidence

9435
06:00:27,190 --> 06:00:25,760
um

9436
06:00:28,948 --> 06:00:27,200
so

9437
06:00:30,708 --> 06:00:28,958
they're fascinating the stories and you

9438
06:00:32,470 --> 06:00:30,718
know the prince phillips story they all

9439
06:00:34,788 --> 06:00:32,480
have to be run down we got to find this

9440
06:00:37,190 --> 06:00:34,798
guy who it was the origin of the story

9441
06:00:37,990 --> 06:00:37,200
what did he say did he ever memorialize

9442
06:00:41,670 --> 06:00:38,000
this

9443
06:00:44,948 --> 06:00:41,680
um account in print at the time uh

9444
06:00:49,030 --> 06:00:44,958
prince philip is not around anymore um

9445
06:00:50,470 --> 06:00:49,040
but um it's it's it's a challenge and in

9446
06:00:51,910 --> 06:00:50,480
order to get these stories into

9447
06:00:53,990 --> 06:00:51,920
mainstream media it's particularly

9448
06:00:55,190 --> 06:00:54,000
difficult which is why we

9449
06:00:56,230 --> 06:00:55,200
you know we were

9450
06:00:58,548 --> 06:00:56,240
so happy

9451
06:01:00,310 --> 06:00:58,558
that we're able to get the you know

9452
06:01:01,910 --> 06:01:00,320
ufo story into the new york times

9453
06:01:04,390 --> 06:01:01,920
because they represented a breakthrough

9454
06:01:06,948 --> 06:01:04,400
but as i said we're not close to getting

9455
06:01:09,670 --> 06:01:06,958
stories of experiencers into the into

9456
06:01:11,030 --> 06:01:09,680
new york times yet so um

9457
06:01:12,628 --> 06:01:11,040
if you ask me what i make of those

9458
06:01:14,070 --> 06:01:12,638
stories they're very interesting i came

9459
06:01:17,430 --> 06:01:14,080
across them with you know obviously with

9460
06:01:20,230 --> 06:01:17,440
all the john mack material but um

9461
06:01:23,110 --> 06:01:20,240
uh they're not possible to verify by the

9462
06:01:25,350 --> 06:01:23,120
standards that that we need

9463
06:01:27,510 --> 06:01:25,360
today to uh

9464
06:01:28,788 --> 06:01:27,520
that are expected in in scientific

9465
06:01:31,350 --> 06:01:28,798
verification

9466
06:01:33,110 --> 06:01:31,360
so we have to be very cautious

9467
06:01:35,430 --> 06:01:33,120
isn't that interesting how

9468
06:01:38,628 --> 06:01:35,440
um that's not a whole lot different from

9469
06:01:41,510 --> 06:01:38,638
the objects themselves as far as we know

9470
06:01:42,868 --> 06:01:41,520
you know we've seen that we see things

9471
06:01:45,030 --> 06:01:42,878
in the sky

9472
06:01:47,590 --> 06:01:45,040
even pictures like looking at all these

9473
06:01:51,190 --> 06:01:47,600
old blue book pictures

9474
06:01:54,070 --> 06:01:51,200
nothing's very like that's obviously a

9475
06:01:57,110 --> 06:01:54,080
spaceship you know or or whatever and

9476
06:01:58,948 --> 06:01:57,120
when it is obvious you don't believe it

9477
06:02:01,190 --> 06:01:58,958
like oh that that can't be a real one

9478
06:02:02,548 --> 06:02:01,200
that's not real no but you didn't

9479
06:02:04,548 --> 06:02:02,558
yeah but no but we've made a lot of

9480
06:02:07,190 --> 06:02:04,558
progress on that we have bravers you

9481
06:02:10,868 --> 06:02:07,200
know who are bringing their expertise to

9482
06:02:12,628 --> 06:02:10,878
life we have the radar tracks um we have

9483
06:02:18,628 --> 06:02:12,638
um

9484
06:02:19,830 --> 06:02:18,638
now that that verifies that

9485
06:02:22,230 --> 06:02:19,840
and we have the government itself

9486
06:02:24,230 --> 06:02:22,240
acknowledging it so

9487
06:02:26,628 --> 06:02:24,240
you know it it's it's a small step it's

9488
06:02:27,990 --> 06:02:26,638
progress yeah hopefully yeah that

9489
06:02:29,110 --> 06:02:28,000
carries over

9490
06:02:33,670 --> 06:02:29,120
um

9491
06:02:36,788 --> 06:02:33,680
because

9492
06:02:39,590 --> 06:02:36,798
oftentimes i mean really

9493
06:02:42,628 --> 06:02:39,600
you know there's the air defense issue

9494
06:02:44,628 --> 06:02:42,638
and and all that but um

9495
06:02:47,670 --> 06:02:44,638
i think it's the emotional aspect the

9496
06:02:51,670 --> 06:02:47,680
the the those stories

9497
06:02:53,670 --> 06:02:51,680
uh the experience or stories that um

9498
06:02:55,510 --> 06:02:53,680
could be a large reason why we're even

9499
06:02:57,830 --> 06:02:55,520
here i mean otherwise why would we care

9500
06:03:00,070 --> 06:02:57,840
so much right if it wasn't for those

9501
06:03:02,310 --> 06:03:00,080
personal experiences

9502
06:03:04,390 --> 06:03:02,320
well it certainly has gripped the

9503
06:03:05,270 --> 06:03:04,400
grip the public imagination

9504
06:03:07,590 --> 06:03:05,280
yeah

9505
06:03:09,590 --> 06:03:07,600
oh you know and then there's that old

9506
06:03:11,430 --> 06:03:09,600
quote you know if you see something say

9507
06:03:12,470 --> 06:03:11,440
something right what are you supposed to

9508
06:03:14,788 --> 06:03:12,480
do

9509
06:03:18,868 --> 06:03:14,798
um uh kirsten did you have a question

9510
06:03:20,708 --> 06:03:18,878
for ron i do actually um so

9511
06:03:21,990 --> 06:03:20,718
sean just brought up documents and sean

9512
06:03:25,030 --> 06:03:22,000
has been

9513
06:03:28,150 --> 06:03:25,040
sending me these wonderful um

9514
06:03:30,548 --> 06:03:28,160
found documents about angel hair

9515
06:03:33,430 --> 06:03:30,558
um because he knows that i had an

9516
06:03:34,788 --> 06:03:33,440
experience uh in a schoolyard with angel

9517
06:03:37,030 --> 06:03:34,798
hair

9518
06:03:38,390 --> 06:03:37,040
when i was really little in the bay area

9519
06:03:39,590 --> 06:03:38,400
in california

9520
06:03:41,430 --> 06:03:39,600
and so

9521
06:03:42,868 --> 06:03:41,440
what shawn has been sending me and i

9522
06:03:44,150 --> 06:03:42,878
thank you so much sean because every

9523
06:03:45,750 --> 06:03:44,160
time i get that it's like opening a

9524
06:03:46,788 --> 06:03:45,760
little christmas present

9525
06:03:49,990 --> 06:03:46,798
um

9526
06:03:52,708 --> 06:03:50,000
is that angel hair as you may know ralph

9527
06:03:55,670 --> 06:03:52,718
was something that kind of fell was shed

9528
06:03:57,670 --> 06:03:55,680
fell from the sky after a sighting mine

9529
06:03:59,590 --> 06:03:57,680
there was no sighting that i know of but

9530
06:04:01,830 --> 06:03:59,600
it came down and it and it was the type

9531
06:04:03,670 --> 06:04:01,840
that dissolved in your fingers it was

9532
06:04:05,110 --> 06:04:03,680
not spider webs even though that's what

9533
06:04:09,910 --> 06:04:05,120
we were told

9534
06:04:11,590 --> 06:04:09,920
um and i was able to verify um

9535
06:04:13,750 --> 06:04:11,600
sort of the timing in the place with

9536
06:04:15,670 --> 06:04:13,760
another member of the experiencer group

9537
06:04:18,390 --> 06:04:15,680
because she had the same experience in

9538
06:04:19,590 --> 06:04:18,400
the same town probably the same year

9539
06:04:24,390 --> 06:04:19,600
um

9540
06:04:26,548 --> 06:04:24,400
this information coming out about angel

9541
06:04:28,948 --> 06:04:26,558
hair is what it's you know it's it's

9542
06:04:31,910 --> 06:04:28,958
made up of you know magnesium and boron

9543
06:04:33,750 --> 06:04:31,920
and silicon and stuff like that in your

9544
06:04:35,590 --> 06:04:33,760
journey through this work did you ever

9545
06:04:37,430 --> 06:04:35,600
come across any of those stories or any

9546
06:04:39,350 --> 06:04:37,440
of that um

9547
06:04:40,948 --> 06:04:39,360
because it's diluted evidence to a

9548
06:04:42,470 --> 06:04:40,958
certain extent and i'm just curious if

9549
06:04:45,270 --> 06:04:42,480
that if you ever come across the angel

9550
06:04:47,590 --> 06:04:45,280
hair phenomenon well i did i mean i read

9551
06:04:50,070 --> 06:04:47,600
about that episode in brazil wasn't it

9552
06:04:53,350 --> 06:04:50,080
where um it was shed uh

9553
06:04:56,230 --> 06:04:53,360
and uh again the the problem is that um

9554
06:04:58,708 --> 06:04:56,240
i'm not aware of actual samples having

9555
06:05:01,270 --> 06:04:58,718
been retrieved and and studied

9556
06:05:02,708 --> 06:05:01,280
scientifically now jack valet and gary

9557
06:05:03,670 --> 06:05:02,718
nolan

9558
06:05:06,948 --> 06:05:03,680
are

9559
06:05:09,270 --> 06:05:06,958
eminent in actual

9560
06:05:10,390 --> 06:05:09,280
the field of studying uh physical

9561
06:05:11,190 --> 06:05:10,400
evidence

9562
06:05:12,708 --> 06:05:11,200
so

9563
06:05:15,510 --> 06:05:12,718
i know there's certain things you know

9564
06:05:17,990 --> 06:05:15,520
going on underway and and uh louis

9565
06:05:19,190 --> 06:05:18,000
elizondo has alluded to this about uh

9566
06:05:19,990 --> 06:05:19,200
you know

9567
06:05:23,030 --> 06:05:20,000
uh

9568
06:05:25,750 --> 06:05:23,040
scientific testing um

9569
06:05:27,670 --> 06:05:25,760
uh but i'm not i i don't know for a fact

9570
06:05:30,548 --> 06:05:27,680
what the results of that test you know

9571
06:05:32,708 --> 06:05:30,558
that testing is or you know uh i know

9572
06:05:34,868 --> 06:05:32,718
what what john mack encountered is it

9573
06:05:36,390 --> 06:05:34,878
again it was very elusive when whenever

9574
06:05:37,750 --> 06:05:36,400
they thought they had something they had

9575
06:05:40,470 --> 06:05:37,760
an artifact

9576
06:05:41,990 --> 06:05:40,480
um for an implant let's say

9577
06:05:43,750 --> 06:05:42,000
um

9578
06:05:46,708 --> 06:05:43,760
uh there was always a reason why it

9579
06:05:49,190 --> 06:05:46,718
could it it it couldn't be tested or was

9580
06:05:50,548 --> 06:05:49,200
lost or it didn't you know it didn't

9581
06:05:53,190 --> 06:05:50,558
have the properties they thought it

9582
06:05:55,670 --> 06:05:53,200
would have again this is part of the

9583
06:05:57,990 --> 06:05:55,680
uh elusiveness of the phenomenon that

9584
06:06:00,708 --> 06:05:58,000
that somehow um

9585
06:06:02,390 --> 06:06:00,718
doesn't want to be studied uh i mean

9586
06:06:04,788 --> 06:06:02,400
it's it you know

9587
06:06:08,470 --> 06:06:04,798
it comes down to that uh for whatever

9588
06:06:10,948 --> 06:06:08,480
reason it it it evades study or the

9589
06:06:12,390 --> 06:06:10,958
studies never quite materialize or they

9590
06:06:13,430 --> 06:06:12,400
don't show what we think they're going

9591
06:06:16,548 --> 06:06:13,440
to show

9592
06:06:18,708 --> 06:06:16,558
um so that's the problem and i mean uh

9593
06:06:20,948 --> 06:06:18,718
i'm not up on all the latest research

9594
06:06:23,750 --> 06:06:20,958
some of it um

9595
06:06:26,628 --> 06:06:23,760
is not public i know robert bigelow did

9596
06:06:29,350 --> 06:06:26,638
a lot of scientific research with

9597
06:06:32,150 --> 06:06:29,360
uh his organization um and all that

9598
06:06:34,390 --> 06:06:32,160
material is not public all that

9599
06:06:35,270 --> 06:06:34,400
you know scholarly research is not

9600
06:06:37,910 --> 06:06:35,280
public

9601
06:06:40,070 --> 06:06:37,920
uh he he owns it and uh

9602
06:06:41,030 --> 06:06:40,080
you know it stayed

9603
06:06:42,470 --> 06:06:41,040
you know

9604
06:06:43,750 --> 06:06:42,480
it's not classified because it's not

9605
06:06:45,270 --> 06:06:43,760
government but it's it's his

9606
06:06:46,070 --> 06:06:45,280
classification

9607
06:06:49,830 --> 06:06:46,080
um

9608
06:06:51,590 --> 06:06:49,840
so that's the problem i mean

9609
06:06:53,350 --> 06:06:51,600
was it was this angel hair something

9610
06:06:54,788 --> 06:06:53,360
that you you ended up with that you

9611
06:06:56,310 --> 06:06:54,798
could

9612
06:06:58,548 --> 06:06:56,320
retrieve or

9613
06:07:00,548 --> 06:06:58,558
hold on to somebody for study

9614
06:07:02,868 --> 06:07:00,558
well generally speaking with the angel

9615
06:07:05,350 --> 06:07:02,878
hair phenomenon it does disappear it

9616
06:07:08,150 --> 06:07:05,360
disappears and goes away

9617
06:07:10,628 --> 06:07:08,160
um sean just put up this excellent uh

9618
06:07:12,390 --> 06:07:10,638
photo that he sent me of an australian i

9619
06:07:13,270 --> 06:07:12,400
believe this is an australian case right

9620
06:07:15,270 --> 06:07:13,280
sean

9621
06:07:18,230 --> 06:07:15,280
uh from the 1950s where they actually

9622
06:07:19,750 --> 06:07:18,240
were able to um

9623
06:07:22,230 --> 06:07:19,760
preserve a sample

9624
06:07:25,270 --> 06:07:22,240
as it got smaller

9625
06:07:28,230 --> 06:07:25,280
and analyze it and

9626
06:07:31,830 --> 06:07:28,240
it says nylon-like amorphous mass with

9627
06:07:33,670 --> 06:07:31,840
traces of magnesium calcium boron and

9628
06:07:36,390 --> 06:07:33,680
silicon

9629
06:07:38,868 --> 06:07:36,400
which is fascinating because magnesium

9630
06:07:40,628 --> 06:07:38,878
keeps coming up um now i know magnesium

9631
06:07:42,230 --> 06:07:40,638
is a very common element here on earth

9632
06:07:44,470 --> 06:07:42,240
but um

9633
06:07:47,030 --> 06:07:44,480
it's an i i would be so fascinated to

9634
06:07:49,590 --> 06:07:47,040
find out what magnesium does as a

9635
06:07:51,750 --> 06:07:49,600
conductor of information or i don't know

9636
06:07:55,190 --> 06:07:51,760
these things you know but anyway i love

9637
06:07:58,310 --> 06:07:55,200
this this image that shawn just put up

9638
06:08:00,628 --> 06:07:58,320
yeah one more actually you know me i i

9639
06:08:02,230 --> 06:08:00,638
love doing the documents so

9640
06:08:05,190 --> 06:08:02,240
can i just say that we know where we

9641
06:08:07,590 --> 06:08:05,200
know where that information is held it's

9642
06:08:09,750 --> 06:08:07,600
within bigelow bass it's from the osap

9643
06:08:12,150 --> 06:08:09,760
program this is part of the database

9644
06:08:14,868 --> 06:08:12,160
that we've heard from colin kelleher and

9645
06:08:16,628 --> 06:08:14,878
it's all hidden it's that kind of

9646
06:08:17,750 --> 06:08:16,638
it's almost that

9647
06:08:19,510 --> 06:08:17,760
it's just

9648
06:08:21,510 --> 06:08:19,520
i was going to say a piece of the puzzle

9649
06:08:23,110 --> 06:08:21,520
it's just that piece of information that

9650
06:08:24,788 --> 06:08:23,120
we really want now that we've learned

9651
06:08:26,788 --> 06:08:24,798
everything since the release of

9652
06:08:28,470 --> 06:08:26,798
skinwalkers from the pentagon you know

9653
06:08:29,910 --> 06:08:28,480
now this is interesting when it says

9654
06:08:32,150 --> 06:08:29,920
soraka case

9655
06:08:34,390 --> 06:08:32,160
is that

9656
06:08:36,628 --> 06:08:34,400
the sorako case

9657
06:08:41,430 --> 06:08:36,638
are you thinking of security

9658
06:08:42,548 --> 06:08:41,440
it's not the 1964 case no okay yeah

9659
06:08:44,150 --> 06:08:42,558
yeah

9660
06:08:47,190 --> 06:08:44,160
wait wait wait

9661
06:08:49,270 --> 06:08:47,200
it says socorro i know yes

9662
06:08:50,708 --> 06:08:49,280
you said sirocco wait i'm not i don't

9663
06:09:01,350 --> 06:08:50,718
know yeah

9664
06:09:04,788 --> 06:09:03,750
uh what's his name uh lonnie femora

9665
06:09:07,270 --> 06:09:04,798
samora

9666
06:09:09,670 --> 06:09:07,280
um i see that's the same case that they

9667
06:09:12,470 --> 06:09:09,680
recovered that from yeah i guess so i

9668
06:09:16,310 --> 06:09:12,480
don't i don't know this was in uh um i

9669
06:09:19,990 --> 06:09:16,320
read a lot of old uh like newsletters um

9670
06:09:23,590 --> 06:09:20,000
like um apro or fsr flag saucer review

9671
06:09:25,830 --> 06:09:23,600
or australian flag saucer review and i

9672
06:09:27,750 --> 06:09:25,840
have the full one somewhere but um i

9673
06:09:28,948 --> 06:09:27,760
believe this was you know from an

9674
06:09:31,750 --> 06:09:28,958
american one

9675
06:09:34,708 --> 06:09:31,760
so but that's where i actually grabbed a

9676
06:09:36,868 --> 06:09:34,718
flying saucer picture with uh

9677
06:09:38,948 --> 06:09:36,878
jimmy carter leaving on a helicopter and

9678
06:09:41,110 --> 06:09:38,958
i got it confirmed that it was the

9679
06:09:44,390 --> 06:09:41,120
actual real picture because grant

9680
06:09:47,270 --> 06:09:44,400
cameron has that original and he emailed

9681
06:09:48,868 --> 06:09:47,280
it to me i was like holy crap

9682
06:09:50,868 --> 06:09:48,878
so i mean this is the

9683
06:09:53,270 --> 06:09:50,878
the saucer that jimmy carter said he saw

9684
06:09:55,270 --> 06:09:53,280
and he was leaving in a helicopter at

9685
06:09:56,708 --> 06:09:55,280
that time that that confirms that he was

9686
06:09:59,510 --> 06:09:56,718
in a position to

9687
06:10:01,990 --> 06:09:59,520
yeah i suppose so yeah i mean and going

9688
06:10:04,230 --> 06:10:02,000
through the blue book photos there are a

9689
06:10:07,990 --> 06:10:04,240
few others that look exactly like it and

9690
06:10:11,190 --> 06:10:08,000
they're just truly like um they s i'll

9691
06:10:13,030 --> 06:10:11,200
say they stand out um amongst all the

9692
06:10:15,110 --> 06:10:13,040
rest that's for sure

9693
06:10:17,190 --> 06:10:15,120
well look i gotta say that one of the

9694
06:10:20,150 --> 06:10:17,200
wonders and and the

9695
06:10:21,270 --> 06:10:20,160
great things of our time is that we have

9696
06:10:26,150 --> 06:10:21,280
um

9697
06:10:26,948 --> 06:10:26,160
weaponry

9698
06:10:28,548 --> 06:10:26,958
there

9699
06:10:30,708 --> 06:10:28,558
and people who

9700
06:10:33,110 --> 06:10:30,718
are interested and who can document

9701
06:10:35,030 --> 06:10:33,120
things with you know

9702
06:10:37,510 --> 06:10:35,040
cell phones and uh

9703
06:10:39,590 --> 06:10:37,520
and study things uh the trouble is

9704
06:10:41,750 --> 06:10:39,600
there's so much information coming out

9705
06:10:43,030 --> 06:10:41,760
and and it's hard to

9706
06:10:45,430 --> 06:10:43,040
um

9707
06:10:48,868 --> 06:10:45,440
you know each case has to be you know

9708
06:10:51,670 --> 06:10:48,878
verified and substantiated so on the one

9709
06:10:53,510 --> 06:10:51,680
hand you know tremendous amounts of

9710
06:10:55,910 --> 06:10:53,520
material are available that were never

9711
06:10:56,948 --> 06:10:55,920
available before but it's very very hard

9712
06:10:57,990 --> 06:10:56,958
to vet

9713
06:11:00,708 --> 06:10:58,000
uh

9714
06:11:03,510 --> 06:11:00,718
your other stuff and again as you know

9715
06:11:05,110 --> 06:11:03,520
um the internet is unsupervised so there

9716
06:11:06,868 --> 06:11:05,120
are a lot of people out there who don't

9717
06:11:08,948 --> 06:11:06,878
adhere to the highest journalistic

9718
06:11:10,868 --> 06:11:08,958
standards there are hulksters there's

9719
06:11:13,190 --> 06:11:10,878
all kinds of people out there so just

9720
06:11:14,948 --> 06:11:13,200
the fact that it's it's on the internet

9721
06:11:17,670 --> 06:11:14,958
or that someone has put it out doesn't

9722
06:11:19,590 --> 06:11:17,680
mean that um you know it's it's it's

9723
06:11:21,590 --> 06:11:19,600
real true or accurate

9724
06:11:23,190 --> 06:11:21,600
so on the one hand we have

9725
06:11:25,350 --> 06:11:23,200
with the beneficiary of all this

9726
06:11:27,350 --> 06:11:25,360
information that that that is being

9727
06:11:29,110 --> 06:11:27,360
churned up that was never available

9728
06:11:30,628 --> 06:11:29,120
before but

9729
06:11:32,230 --> 06:11:30,638
it all has to be

9730
06:11:33,990 --> 06:11:32,240
tested

9731
06:11:36,230 --> 06:11:34,000
and there are many people out there who

9732
06:11:39,350 --> 06:11:36,240
are taking advantage of the confusion or

9733
06:11:41,750 --> 06:11:39,360
jumping to conclusions and uh um you

9734
06:11:45,830 --> 06:11:41,760
know uh when when ross was talking about

9735
06:11:48,150 --> 06:11:45,840
the difficulty earlier of

9736
06:11:49,910 --> 06:11:48,160
people getting in the way of his

9737
06:11:51,430 --> 06:11:49,920
his stories and investigation leslie and

9738
06:11:53,350 --> 06:11:51,440
i found that when we were doing our

9739
06:11:56,310 --> 06:11:53,360
research there were so many people

9740
06:11:57,830 --> 06:11:56,320
tracking us really on online every time

9741
06:12:00,070 --> 06:11:57,840
we interviewed someone they would put it

9742
06:12:01,830 --> 06:12:00,080
up you know on the internet oh ralph and

9743
06:12:03,430 --> 06:12:01,840
leslie talk to some so that must mean

9744
06:12:04,948 --> 06:12:03,440
that they're doing this and this and it

9745
06:12:06,868 --> 06:12:04,958
really got in the way it got very

9746
06:12:09,750 --> 06:12:06,878
intrusive and

9747
06:12:12,708 --> 06:12:09,760
investigative reporting really requires

9748
06:12:14,628 --> 06:12:12,718
um kind of a cone of silence around you

9749
06:12:16,628 --> 06:12:14,638
you've got to have the time to evaluate

9750
06:12:18,948 --> 06:12:16,638
the information you can't do it in

9751
06:12:21,190 --> 06:12:18,958
public yeah um

9752
06:12:22,948 --> 06:12:21,200
but this was all happening with people

9753
06:12:24,948 --> 06:12:22,958
you know weighing in on every step we

9754
06:12:26,628 --> 06:12:24,958
were taking and

9755
06:12:28,948 --> 06:12:26,638
i complained about it on the air and you

9756
06:12:32,708 --> 06:12:28,958
know when i was interviewed and um

9757
06:12:34,230 --> 06:12:32,718
uh to this day i i i gotta say it it

9758
06:12:36,310 --> 06:12:34,240
really made our lives very very

9759
06:12:38,868 --> 06:12:36,320
difficult um

9760
06:12:40,070 --> 06:12:38,878
uh and so and on the one hand it's great

9761
06:12:41,350 --> 06:12:40,080
that there's so many people who are

9762
06:12:43,590 --> 06:12:41,360
interested and they're putting out all

9763
06:12:45,190 --> 06:12:43,600
this information but it can be a curse

9764
06:12:47,670 --> 06:12:45,200
as well because it means that everyone

9765
06:12:50,310 --> 06:12:47,680
be careful of him be careful be careful

9766
06:12:52,830 --> 06:12:50,320
yeah i agree i i want to just say

9767
06:12:56,230 --> 06:12:52,840
quickly that my rule of thumb uh

9768
06:12:58,310 --> 06:12:56,240
with information out there um in this

9769
06:13:01,830 --> 06:12:58,320
community and in this anomalous world

9770
06:13:04,390 --> 06:13:01,840
culture is the more sure people are the

9771
06:13:06,390 --> 06:13:04,400
more they have the definitive answer the

9772
06:13:10,150 --> 06:13:06,400
less i listen to them

9773
06:13:11,670 --> 06:13:10,160
because i how do we know how do we know

9774
06:13:13,670 --> 06:13:11,680
any of this

9775
06:13:15,830 --> 06:13:13,680
yeah absolutely right kristen you know

9776
06:13:17,830 --> 06:13:15,840
when i get comments on my stories i

9777
06:13:20,310 --> 06:13:17,840
often see that someone is you know

9778
06:13:22,150 --> 06:13:20,320
commenting oh this is obviously this and

9779
06:13:24,948 --> 06:13:22,160
this is you know we know this and you

9780
06:13:27,030 --> 06:13:24,958
know we don't know that um and so i

9781
06:13:30,310 --> 06:13:27,040
agree with you 100 the more sure someone

9782
06:13:31,750 --> 06:13:30,320
is the more weary i am because

9783
06:13:34,788 --> 06:13:31,760
the one thing we know about this

9784
06:13:36,390 --> 06:13:34,798
phenomenon is that it's very elusive

9785
06:13:37,910 --> 06:13:36,400
it's very difficult it's very

9786
06:13:38,868 --> 06:13:37,920
contradictory

9787
06:13:39,830 --> 06:13:38,878
um

9788
06:13:41,750 --> 06:13:39,840
and

9789
06:13:42,788 --> 06:13:41,760
there's a lot of ways to make mistakes

9790
06:13:47,270 --> 06:13:42,798
and

9791
06:13:48,548 --> 06:13:47,280
in this business is to you know be out

9792
06:13:50,628 --> 06:13:48,558
there with something and say something

9793
06:13:53,110 --> 06:13:50,638
that's not true because that will follow

9794
06:13:55,110 --> 06:13:53,120
you forever so you're much better off

9795
06:13:57,830 --> 06:13:55,120
holding back and waiting till there's

9796
06:14:00,070 --> 06:13:57,840
confirmation and i must say that um the

9797
06:14:02,310 --> 06:14:00,080
story that leslie and i did in 2017 has

9798
06:14:04,150 --> 06:14:02,320
held up uh you know no one ever

9799
06:14:06,788 --> 06:14:04,160
questioned that they never contradicted

9800
06:14:08,708 --> 06:14:06,798
it and you know so that feels good and

9801
06:14:11,110 --> 06:14:08,718
that's that's the kind of you know

9802
06:14:13,190 --> 06:14:11,120
reaction that all reporters strive for

9803
06:14:14,708 --> 06:14:13,200
they want to the stories to hold up

9804
06:14:16,470 --> 06:14:14,718
first of all

9805
06:14:18,070 --> 06:14:16,480
i know we didn't get it all

9806
06:14:20,230 --> 06:14:18,080
i know that there's a lot of stuff out

9807
06:14:22,310 --> 06:14:20,240
there that i keep hearing and you know

9808
06:14:24,708 --> 06:14:22,320
but i'm not saying it in print because i

9809
06:14:27,030 --> 06:14:24,718
i can't i can't back it up

9810
06:14:29,190 --> 06:14:27,040
i think that's the best advice probably

9811
06:14:31,350 --> 06:14:29,200
that christopher sharp or i or us

9812
06:14:34,788 --> 06:14:31,360
podcasters or youtubers could really

9813
06:14:37,510 --> 06:14:34,798
take from this and even fans or not fans

9814
06:14:38,948 --> 06:14:37,520
but you know ufo twitters um who are

9815
06:14:41,270 --> 06:14:38,958
watching and waiting for people to

9816
06:14:43,350 --> 06:14:41,280
release things like articles or videos

9817
06:14:44,310 --> 06:14:43,360
in our impatient myself sometimes

9818
06:14:46,628 --> 06:14:44,320
included

9819
06:14:48,230 --> 06:14:46,638
um i think you know that's a lot of the

9820
06:14:50,948 --> 06:14:48,240
reason why is because when you put out

9821
06:14:54,150 --> 06:14:50,958
false information like that um

9822
06:14:56,230 --> 06:14:54,160
it is not forgiving at all you know and

9823
06:14:58,470 --> 06:14:56,240
you could be ruined by just one little

9824
06:14:59,910 --> 06:14:58,480
yeah uh wrong fact

9825
06:15:02,310 --> 06:14:59,920
if you get all you have to do is be

9826
06:15:03,270 --> 06:15:02,320
caught once in a while by the way john

9827
06:15:05,270 --> 06:15:03,280
mack

9828
06:15:06,708 --> 06:15:05,280
you those of you who followed his story

9829
06:15:09,030 --> 06:15:06,718
probably know

9830
06:15:09,830 --> 06:15:09,040
what happened that um a woman came to

9831
06:15:11,910 --> 06:15:09,840
him

9832
06:15:13,830 --> 06:15:11,920
with a story that she had been on a

9833
06:15:15,910 --> 06:15:13,840
spaceship during the cuban missile

9834
06:15:18,230 --> 06:15:15,920
crisis with nikita khrushchev

9835
06:15:20,390 --> 06:15:18,240
of russia and john f kennedy

9836
06:15:22,628 --> 06:15:20,400
and um

9837
06:15:24,390 --> 06:15:22,638
and khrushchev was crying in her lap and

9838
06:15:26,548 --> 06:15:24,400
ken you know and

9839
06:15:29,270 --> 06:15:26,558
and john mack who had heard so many

9840
06:15:31,750 --> 06:15:29,280
stories of experiencers he'd heard all

9841
06:15:32,868 --> 06:15:31,760
kinds of crazy stuff

9842
06:15:36,390 --> 06:15:32,878
this

9843
06:15:37,990 --> 06:15:36,400
struck him as really interesting and

9844
06:15:40,830 --> 06:15:38,000
he

9845
06:15:44,470 --> 06:15:40,840
to

9846
06:15:46,470 --> 06:15:44,480
um his antenna was not up let's put it

9847
06:15:48,548 --> 06:15:46,480
that way as a matter of fact the woman

9848
06:15:50,310 --> 06:15:48,558
who uh then

9849
06:15:52,548 --> 06:15:50,320
said that she'd hoaxed him and made it

9850
06:15:54,868 --> 06:15:52,558
all up it turns out that she did have a

9851
06:15:56,948 --> 06:15:54,878
kind of a history as an experiencer so

9852
06:15:58,628 --> 06:15:56,958
she may not have made up her whole story

9853
06:16:01,270 --> 06:15:58,638
although she may she apparently made up

9854
06:16:04,230 --> 06:16:01,280
this story about the interesting things

9855
06:16:05,670 --> 06:16:04,240
but uh so even john mack was hoaxed and

9856
06:16:07,910 --> 06:16:05,680
time magazine

9857
06:16:08,628 --> 06:16:07,920
made a big thing of it and embarrassed

9858
06:16:10,310 --> 06:16:08,638
him

9859
06:16:12,948 --> 06:16:10,320
uh and that's what really got the

9860
06:16:15,830 --> 06:16:12,958
harvard investigation going against him

9861
06:16:18,628 --> 06:16:15,840
uh because uh he was held up to ridicule

9862
06:16:21,270 --> 06:16:18,638
for for the story about uh believing or

9863
06:16:22,548 --> 06:16:21,280
seeming to believe uh this story about

9864
06:16:25,030 --> 06:16:22,558
the you know the spaceship with

9865
06:16:26,628 --> 06:16:25,040
khrushchev and kennedy

9866
06:16:28,628 --> 06:16:26,638
so all you have to do in this business

9867
06:16:36,390 --> 06:16:28,638
is make one mistake and

9868
06:16:40,390 --> 06:16:39,110
we have another guest we do have another

9869
06:16:42,230 --> 06:16:40,400
guest and

9870
06:16:43,670 --> 06:16:42,240
addressing the uh

9871
06:16:45,350 --> 06:16:43,680
the um

9872
06:16:50,230 --> 06:16:45,360
smooth

9873
06:16:52,788 --> 06:16:50,240
perpetually unsure

9874
06:16:54,230 --> 06:16:52,798
that's right we've got uh stuart davis

9875
06:16:56,628 --> 06:16:54,240
here to uh

9876
06:16:57,990 --> 06:16:56,638
hi friends how are you

9877
06:17:00,070 --> 06:16:58,000
hey

9878
06:17:02,310 --> 06:17:00,080
ralph i just wanted to swoop through

9879
06:17:04,470 --> 06:17:02,320
here and you know first of all

9880
06:17:05,510 --> 06:17:04,480
extend a high five from across the

9881
06:17:07,670 --> 06:17:05,520
continent

9882
06:17:10,470 --> 06:17:07,680
i apologize for my dark lighting it's

9883
06:17:12,708 --> 06:17:10,480
not reflective of my inner mood which is

9884
06:17:14,548 --> 06:17:12,718
quite elated

9885
06:17:17,030 --> 06:17:14,558
always good to see okay i was creeped

9886
06:17:18,470 --> 06:17:17,040
out all right very very atmospheric

9887
06:17:21,670 --> 06:17:18,480
stewart

9888
06:17:23,350 --> 06:17:21,680
yeah it's uh it's a very tarkovsky vibe

9889
06:17:24,470 --> 06:17:23,360
in the hotel room right now where i am

9890
06:17:26,470 --> 06:17:24,480
at but

9891
06:17:28,470 --> 06:17:26,480
i'm so excited to be here with you and

9892
06:17:29,590 --> 06:17:28,480
first of all you know kudos to you all

9893
06:17:31,510 --> 06:17:29,600
for this

9894
06:17:33,350 --> 06:17:31,520
marathon

9895
06:17:35,430 --> 06:17:33,360
beautiful odyssey that you're putting on

9896
06:17:38,708 --> 06:17:35,440
today i've been tracking it and

9897
06:17:41,030 --> 06:17:38,718
listening in as it's been going on am i

9898
06:17:42,868 --> 06:17:41,040
allowed a question for ralph can i

9899
06:17:44,948 --> 06:17:42,878
intercede with a little

9900
06:17:47,110 --> 06:17:44,958
ah you better write it down and pass it

9901
06:17:48,708 --> 06:17:47,120
to me first

9902
06:17:51,190 --> 06:17:48,718
yeah of course

9903
06:17:53,190 --> 06:17:51,200
so ralph i'm just wondering

9904
06:17:55,590 --> 06:17:53,200
i i heard

9905
06:17:57,110 --> 06:17:55,600
it brought up in passing

9906
06:17:58,470 --> 06:17:57,120
i don't recall who but in this

9907
06:18:00,830 --> 06:17:58,480
conversation

9908
06:18:04,070 --> 06:18:00,840
the position that

9909
06:18:06,868 --> 06:18:04,080
experiencers who are also

9910
06:18:08,470 --> 06:18:06,878
employees of alphabet agencies the

9911
06:18:09,670 --> 06:18:08,480
military

9912
06:18:12,470 --> 06:18:09,680
this

9913
06:18:15,830 --> 06:18:12,480
special category of experiencers who are

9914
06:18:18,868 --> 06:18:15,840
bound by oaths of secrecy and clearances

9915
06:18:21,350 --> 06:18:18,878
who nonetheless are contending with all

9916
06:18:23,910 --> 06:18:21,360
of the same ontological shock and

9917
06:18:26,548 --> 06:18:23,920
struggle of integration

9918
06:18:28,390 --> 06:18:26,558
finding a way forward as family members

9919
06:18:29,430 --> 06:18:28,400
friends and

9920
06:18:31,670 --> 06:18:29,440
they

9921
06:18:33,590 --> 06:18:31,680
are contending with all of the big

9922
06:18:34,708 --> 06:18:33,600
difficult stuff that all experiences are

9923
06:18:36,548 --> 06:18:34,718
and they're also

9924
06:18:40,070 --> 06:18:36,558
they're also doubly

9925
06:18:42,708 --> 06:18:40,080
uh beset with their clearances and

9926
06:18:45,590 --> 06:18:42,718
security issues and i'm wondering

9927
06:18:47,110 --> 06:18:45,600
how many of them you've heard from in

9928
06:18:48,628 --> 06:18:47,120
your work and your research over the

9929
06:18:50,788 --> 06:18:48,638
years that

9930
06:18:52,390 --> 06:18:50,798
you can't talk about or don't talk about

9931
06:18:55,430 --> 06:18:52,400
and maybe in an

9932
06:18:57,750 --> 06:18:55,440
oblique way you could give us a view

9933
06:18:59,030 --> 06:18:57,760
on this particular subset of experiencer

9934
06:19:01,110 --> 06:18:59,040
populations

9935
06:19:03,510 --> 06:19:01,120
and that kind of a part two to that is

9936
06:19:05,590 --> 06:19:03,520
how would you feel about amnesty

9937
06:19:07,510 --> 06:19:05,600
being granted like let's just do a pie

9938
06:19:09,990 --> 06:19:07,520
in the sky theoretical day when

9939
06:19:12,468 --> 06:19:10,000
disclosure has transpired

9940
06:19:15,030 --> 06:19:12,478
how does the notion of amnesty for those

9941
06:19:16,788 --> 06:19:15,040
who've been keeping secrets sit for you

9942
06:19:19,590 --> 06:19:16,798
do those two make sense

9943
06:19:22,708 --> 06:19:19,600
uh yeah well first of all i i have not

9944
06:19:25,350 --> 06:19:22,718
uh dealt with uh people from you know

9945
06:19:27,910 --> 06:19:25,360
the alphabet agencies uh with the

9946
06:19:29,190 --> 06:19:27,920
experience of stories i'd like to i'd be

9947
06:19:30,468 --> 06:19:29,200
very interested

9948
06:19:32,468 --> 06:19:30,478
um

9949
06:19:34,788 --> 06:19:32,478
uh and i can understand why they would

9950
06:19:38,230 --> 06:19:34,798
be particularly reluctant to come

9951
06:19:40,708 --> 06:19:38,240
forward um but as you know

9952
06:19:41,750 --> 06:19:40,718
you people that you put in touch with me

9953
06:19:45,830 --> 06:19:41,760
have been

9954
06:19:49,830 --> 06:19:48,310
courageous enough to tell their stories

9955
06:19:51,030 --> 06:19:49,840
on the record

9956
06:19:52,230 --> 06:19:51,040
part of the problem is if they don't

9957
06:19:54,070 --> 06:19:52,240
want to be if they can't be on the

9958
06:19:55,830 --> 06:19:54,080
record the stories of not much value to

9959
06:19:57,190 --> 06:19:55,840
me because i can't

9960
06:19:59,750 --> 06:19:57,200
write a story in the new york times or

9961
06:20:01,430 --> 06:19:59,760
anywhere else about somebody whose name

9962
06:20:04,150 --> 06:20:01,440
i can't provide

9963
06:20:08,070 --> 06:20:04,160
and background i have to hide

9964
06:20:09,590 --> 06:20:08,080
who tells me that he's in the cia or nsa

9965
06:20:12,310 --> 06:20:09,600
or whatever and it was he's an

9966
06:20:14,070 --> 06:20:12,320
experiencer but i can't give a name

9967
06:20:16,390 --> 06:20:14,080
so um

9968
06:20:18,390 --> 06:20:16,400
that's a problem so what i would need to

9969
06:20:20,628 --> 06:20:18,400
do i'd be interested in meeting people

9970
06:20:22,628 --> 06:20:20,638
like that uh but the chance of getting

9971
06:20:24,310 --> 06:20:22,638
that story into into a mainstream

9972
06:20:27,830 --> 06:20:24,320
publication without

9973
06:20:29,190 --> 06:20:27,840
um use of a name is is pretty

9974
06:20:30,468 --> 06:20:29,200
pretty limited

9975
06:20:33,510 --> 06:20:30,478
um

9976
06:20:35,270 --> 06:20:33,520
and the second part of that you know i

9977
06:20:37,510 --> 06:20:35,280
think realistically it's not going to

9978
06:20:39,350 --> 06:20:37,520
happen i mean i just don't think that

9979
06:20:41,430 --> 06:20:39,360
there's going to be a it's kind of you

9980
06:20:42,868 --> 06:20:41,440
take utopian steward to think that

9981
06:20:44,310 --> 06:20:42,878
there'll be suddenly a moment where

9982
06:20:45,910 --> 06:20:44,320
everybody can

9983
06:20:48,310 --> 06:20:45,920
um

9984
06:20:49,510 --> 06:20:48,320
amnesty you know for their stories or so

9985
06:20:51,830 --> 06:20:49,520
i don't think it's going to work that

9986
06:20:54,390 --> 06:20:51,840
way i think it's a fight it's going to

9987
06:20:57,190 --> 06:20:54,400
be a fight for for quite a while to but

9988
06:20:58,150 --> 06:20:57,200
it'll but i think that little by little

9989
06:21:00,628 --> 06:20:58,160
this

9990
06:21:03,030 --> 06:21:00,638
the more stories we can get into

9991
06:21:05,430 --> 06:21:03,040
mainstream publications of credible

9992
06:21:07,990 --> 06:21:05,440
people the more

9993
06:21:09,270 --> 06:21:08,000
uh that door will open up

9994
06:21:10,548 --> 06:21:09,280
but i don't think it's going to be

9995
06:21:12,468 --> 06:21:10,558
magical i don't think it's going to

9996
06:21:14,948 --> 06:21:12,478
happen suddenly

9997
06:21:17,110 --> 06:21:14,958
it's going to be a struggle but

9998
06:21:18,948 --> 06:21:17,120
just like the ufo story opened up i

9999
06:21:21,990 --> 06:21:18,958
think little by little

10000
06:21:23,030 --> 06:21:22,000
uh the experiences story can open up but

10001
06:21:24,390 --> 06:21:23,040
i'm not gonna

10002
06:21:26,070 --> 06:21:24,400
you know mislead anybody i think it's

10003
06:21:28,310 --> 06:21:26,080
gonna be very difficult

10004
06:21:29,510 --> 06:21:28,320
yeah could i do a tiny little follow-up

10005
06:21:31,350 --> 06:21:29,520
on that

10006
06:21:34,150 --> 06:21:31,360
i i guess to

10007
06:21:37,030 --> 06:21:34,160
go more toward the detail of

10008
06:21:39,030 --> 06:21:37,040
the principle behind the idea right so

10009
06:21:39,950 --> 06:21:39,040
this side this notion that there are

10010
06:21:41,190 --> 06:21:39,960
people within

10011
06:21:43,350 --> 06:21:41,200
[Music]

10012
06:21:44,830 --> 06:21:43,360
alphabet agencies or other extra

10013
06:21:47,270 --> 06:21:44,840
governmental

10014
06:21:51,670 --> 06:21:47,280
programs that

10015
06:21:54,468 --> 06:21:51,680
have the spirit of wanting more

10016
06:21:56,628 --> 06:21:54,478
transparency and going public with this

10017
06:21:59,190 --> 06:21:56,638
in the interest of the larger human

10018
06:22:01,190 --> 06:21:59,200
issues involved and that they sometimes

10019
06:22:03,190 --> 06:22:01,200
do not do so because

10020
06:22:04,468 --> 06:22:03,200
they feel caught between a rock and a

10021
06:22:05,910 --> 06:22:04,478
hard place

10022
06:22:08,310 --> 06:22:05,920
is there any

10023
06:22:11,190 --> 06:22:08,320
argument or perspective that

10024
06:22:13,110 --> 06:22:11,200
makes a good case for creating an

10025
06:22:15,990 --> 06:22:13,120
amnesty category

10026
06:22:17,670 --> 06:22:16,000
that could encourage and protect

10027
06:22:19,990 --> 06:22:17,680
those that want a

10028
06:22:21,990 --> 06:22:20,000
larger human interest

10029
06:22:23,430 --> 06:22:22,000
to come to the fore in disclosing what

10030
06:22:26,310 --> 06:22:23,440
they know and i don't mean disclosure

10031
06:22:29,110 --> 06:22:26,320
with a capital d even necessarily

10032
06:22:31,590 --> 06:22:29,120
more amnesty along

10033
06:22:33,350 --> 06:22:31,600
individual cases does that make more

10034
06:22:35,990 --> 06:22:33,360
sense you know when you say amnesty

10035
06:22:38,230 --> 06:22:36,000
steward you mean i mean

10036
06:22:41,190 --> 06:22:38,240
amnesty is some governmental agency

10037
06:22:43,830 --> 06:22:41,200
giving that amnesty uh you know the

10038
06:22:45,670 --> 06:22:43,840
media doesn't give amnesty but what i'm

10039
06:22:47,270 --> 06:22:45,680
saying is that i think that process

10040
06:22:48,390 --> 06:22:47,280
could could happen

10041
06:22:51,110 --> 06:22:48,400
um

10042
06:22:54,070 --> 06:22:51,120
in a natural way

10043
06:22:56,948 --> 06:22:54,080
if somebody with credibility

10044
06:22:58,468 --> 06:22:56,958
uh were to be courageous enough to come

10045
06:22:59,350 --> 06:22:58,478
forward and say

10046
06:23:03,910 --> 06:22:59,360
um

10047
06:23:06,390 --> 06:23:03,920
particular agency and i've had this

10048
06:23:08,310 --> 06:23:06,400
experience and this is the documentation

10049
06:23:11,030 --> 06:23:08,320
of my experience

10050
06:23:15,110 --> 06:23:11,040
and here's all i can you know say and

10051
06:23:17,270 --> 06:23:15,120
and and it's verified by my my my wife

10052
06:23:19,350 --> 06:23:17,280
my children my neighbor you know the

10053
06:23:21,430 --> 06:23:19,360
more evidence that can be

10054
06:23:23,510 --> 06:23:21,440
added to the story the more credible

10055
06:23:27,670 --> 06:23:23,520
it'll be and that would

10056
06:23:33,670 --> 06:23:31,270
a natural uh opening of the issue

10057
06:23:37,830 --> 06:23:33,680
so i don't think we have to wait or

10058
06:23:39,990 --> 06:23:37,840
hope for you know government amnesty

10059
06:23:41,270 --> 06:23:40,000
uh because i think that's utopian i

10060
06:23:43,590 --> 06:23:41,280
don't think that's going to happen but i

10061
06:23:46,948 --> 06:23:43,600
think that the way our society works is

10062
06:23:48,708 --> 06:23:46,958
if if as somebody um

10063
06:23:50,948 --> 06:23:48,718
with credibility were to come forward

10064
06:23:53,270 --> 06:23:50,958
with a story like that and and

10065
06:23:54,548 --> 06:23:53,280
we we could get that into a mainstream

10066
06:23:57,190 --> 06:23:54,558
publication

10067
06:23:58,628 --> 06:23:57,200
um that would go a long way to achieving

10068
06:23:59,750 --> 06:23:58,638
the same goal it wouldn't you wouldn't

10069
06:24:01,750 --> 06:23:59,760
have to wait for the government to

10070
06:24:04,390 --> 06:24:01,760
decide to give amnesty

10071
06:24:07,750 --> 06:24:04,400
uh it would create a momentum of its own

10072
06:24:10,070 --> 06:24:07,760
if if that makes any sense

10073
06:24:12,548 --> 06:24:10,080
it does yeah thank you i think i'm just

10074
06:24:15,030 --> 06:24:12,558
it's a general curiosity around the

10075
06:24:17,788 --> 06:24:15,040
mechanisms of

10076
06:24:20,788 --> 06:24:17,798
secrecy and compar hyper

10077
06:24:22,708 --> 06:24:20,798
compartmentalization really um so thank

10078
06:24:24,948 --> 06:24:22,718
you for that i think christopher maybe

10079
06:24:27,910 --> 06:24:24,958
had a follow-up thought on amnesty from

10080
06:24:28,868 --> 06:24:27,920
his article i saw in the chat here

10081
06:24:31,350 --> 06:24:28,878
yes

10082
06:24:32,390 --> 06:24:31,360
um vinnie did you want to say something

10083
06:24:35,190 --> 06:24:32,400
first

10084
06:24:37,190 --> 06:24:35,200
if you could guys listen

10085
06:24:38,948 --> 06:24:37,200
i just wanted to say thank you to all of

10086
06:24:41,270 --> 06:24:38,958
you guys i am

10087
06:24:44,390 --> 06:24:41,280
i've been here for about six and a half

10088
06:24:47,510 --> 06:24:44,400
hours now um i'm afraid my time is done

10089
06:24:49,830 --> 06:24:47,520
i want to say thank you to everyone here

10090
06:24:51,190 --> 06:24:49,840
right now i'm sorry that i have to dip

10091
06:24:53,750 --> 06:24:51,200
out um

10092
06:24:55,670 --> 06:24:53,760
but yeah thank you so much ralph it's

10093
06:24:57,190 --> 06:24:55,680
good to see you again and i hope we get

10094
06:24:59,510 --> 06:24:57,200
to speak in the future

10095
06:25:02,468 --> 06:24:59,520
chris chris you know i love you

10096
06:25:04,788 --> 06:25:02,478
kirsten we'll have our time and jay yes

10097
06:25:07,030 --> 06:25:04,798
jay you know we'll have our time brother

10098
06:25:08,390 --> 06:25:07,040
oh absolutely i made it

10099
06:25:11,190 --> 06:25:08,400
you made it till

10100
06:25:12,868 --> 06:25:11,200
gosh uh eight and eight minutes till two

10101
06:25:14,070 --> 06:25:12,878
in the morning and [\h__\h] at 2 am i've

10102
06:25:16,230 --> 06:25:14,080
been going for

10103
06:25:17,910 --> 06:25:16,240
a long time sure i've always wondered if

10104
06:25:18,580 --> 06:25:17,920
you ever slept vinnie i've always

10105
06:25:20,548 --> 06:25:18,590
wondered that

10106
06:25:22,788 --> 06:25:20,558
[Laughter]

10107
06:25:25,190 --> 06:25:22,798
no when i first when i first did this i

10108
06:25:27,670 --> 06:25:25,200
i asked you to be a co-host you know in

10109
06:25:29,110 --> 06:25:27,680
the fact that you just went this long

10110
06:25:31,350 --> 06:25:29,120
with me

10111
06:25:33,590 --> 06:25:31,360
it's i just love you bro thank you so

10112
06:25:35,190 --> 06:25:33,600
much for doing that thank you so much

10113
06:25:37,270 --> 06:25:35,200
thank you so much guys i love you all

10114
06:25:38,788 --> 06:25:37,280
benji ralph

10115
06:25:42,830 --> 06:25:38,798
all the best

10116
06:25:46,948 --> 06:25:42,840
love you all goodbye for now see you

10117
06:25:52,150 --> 06:25:49,670
um jay but on that point i mean i wrote

10118
06:25:55,510 --> 06:25:52,160
an article today just um really just

10119
06:25:57,670 --> 06:25:55,520
like analyzing the um ndaa and what's

10120
06:25:58,468 --> 06:25:57,680
being said by louis alexander what not

10121
06:26:00,708 --> 06:25:58,478
lately

10122
06:26:01,990 --> 06:26:00,718
um just to kind of like see what we

10123
06:26:05,030 --> 06:26:02,000
might expect

10124
06:26:07,430 --> 06:26:05,040
in 2022 um i have kind of like said in

10125
06:26:08,708 --> 06:26:07,440
my title expect the unexpected i mean

10126
06:26:10,628 --> 06:26:08,718
i'm not saying any of these gonna come

10127
06:26:13,030 --> 06:26:10,638
true sometimes you'll just be hit by a

10128
06:26:14,868 --> 06:26:13,040
curb and also obviously as well it's not

10129
06:26:17,110 --> 06:26:14,878
strength it's not a straightforward path

10130
06:26:19,510 --> 06:26:17,120
i can imagine there are still obstacles

10131
06:26:21,510 --> 06:26:19,520
um there are still factions within a dad

10132
06:26:24,788 --> 06:26:21,520
so we don't have a straight path ahead

10133
06:26:27,990 --> 06:26:24,798
of us um but but on that i mean

10134
06:26:30,788 --> 06:26:28,000
i spoke to someone within washington dc

10135
06:26:32,948 --> 06:26:30,798
um regarding this and ralph you may want

10136
06:26:33,910 --> 06:26:32,958
to correct economy of this if i'm wrong

10137
06:26:36,468 --> 06:26:33,920
at all because you may have more

10138
06:26:38,390 --> 06:26:36,478
experience than this but i mean um

10139
06:26:39,750 --> 06:26:38,400
congressional staff my understanding

10140
06:26:41,590 --> 06:26:39,760
they wanted to

10141
06:26:43,510 --> 06:26:41,600
they could provide

10142
06:26:45,110 --> 06:26:43,520
potential with um incentives

10143
06:26:47,670 --> 06:26:45,120
whistleblowers

10144
06:26:49,910 --> 06:26:47,680
um so they can come forward

10145
06:26:52,868 --> 06:26:49,920
um so although i'm not saying the word

10146
06:26:54,390 --> 06:26:52,878
amnesty but i mean if they're providing

10147
06:26:55,990 --> 06:26:54,400
incentives

10148
06:26:57,510 --> 06:26:56,000
um then that can

10149
06:26:58,548 --> 06:26:57,520
expedite the process of getting more

10150
06:27:01,270 --> 06:26:58,558
data

10151
06:27:02,868 --> 06:27:01,280
um from those places where they're

10152
06:27:05,030 --> 06:27:02,878
finding it difficult at the moment to

10153
06:27:06,548 --> 06:27:05,040
get information perhaps like the air

10154
06:27:09,430 --> 06:27:06,558
force for example

10155
06:27:13,350 --> 06:27:09,440
um so that that's something that i i

10156
06:27:15,510 --> 06:27:13,360
found kind of quite interesting

10157
06:27:17,910 --> 06:27:15,520
well first of all i think congressional

10158
06:27:20,310 --> 06:27:17,920
staff are very reluctant to to do

10159
06:27:22,548 --> 06:27:20,320
anything without the clear direction of

10160
06:27:25,190 --> 06:27:22,558
their members of congress now

10161
06:27:27,350 --> 06:27:25,200
and as harry reid has often said that

10162
06:27:28,468 --> 06:27:27,360
members of congress have been notably

10163
06:27:30,230 --> 06:27:28,478
cowardly

10164
06:27:33,030 --> 06:27:30,240
in confronting this issue they don't

10165
06:27:35,190 --> 06:27:33,040
want to be associated with it in in any

10166
06:27:38,548 --> 06:27:35,200
way with a few notable exceptions marco

10167
06:27:39,990 --> 06:27:38,558
rubio a senator in florida has has been

10168
06:27:41,670 --> 06:27:40,000
pretty outspoken

10169
06:27:43,990 --> 06:27:41,680
of course harry reid when he was senate

10170
06:27:46,390 --> 06:27:44,000
majority leader and since

10171
06:27:49,270 --> 06:27:46,400
but he's not in congress anymore

10172
06:27:51,750 --> 06:27:49,280
but very very few

10173
06:27:52,628 --> 06:27:51,760
members legislators who

10174
06:27:53,990 --> 06:27:52,638
uh

10175
06:27:55,990 --> 06:27:54,000
would

10176
06:27:57,830 --> 06:27:56,000
you know they're not shy people as we

10177
06:27:59,910 --> 06:27:57,840
know they love the limelight they talk

10178
06:28:01,670 --> 06:27:59,920
about a lot of things but on this issue

10179
06:28:02,830 --> 06:28:01,680
then nowhere to be found

10180
06:28:05,910 --> 06:28:02,840
so

10181
06:28:08,390 --> 06:28:05,920
um uh yes if they would if they were to

10182
06:28:11,110 --> 06:28:08,400
grant whistleblower status to

10183
06:28:12,708 --> 06:28:11,120
somebody with a great story um i mean

10184
06:28:15,030 --> 06:28:12,718
you only give whistleblower status to

10185
06:28:17,110 --> 06:28:15,040
somebody who would expose wrongdoing so

10186
06:28:20,708 --> 06:28:17,120
there's no real wrongdoing here it's

10187
06:28:22,948 --> 06:28:20,718
just a a whole field of secrecy that in

10188
06:28:25,830 --> 06:28:22,958
many ways is unwarranted in some ways

10189
06:28:26,948 --> 06:28:25,840
it's probably

10190
06:28:29,270 --> 06:28:26,958
legitimate

10191
06:28:31,590 --> 06:28:29,280
national security stuff we want to keep

10192
06:28:33,350 --> 06:28:31,600
information away from our adversaries

10193
06:28:34,468 --> 06:28:33,360
but um

10194
06:28:35,270 --> 06:28:34,478
uh

10195
06:28:38,788 --> 06:28:35,280
so

10196
06:28:40,548 --> 06:28:38,798
from a lack of courage here

10197
06:28:42,150 --> 06:28:40,558
and that's what we try to do with the

10198
06:28:43,990 --> 06:28:42,160
new york times we try to chip away at

10199
06:28:44,948 --> 06:28:44,000
that and get people to talk to us on the

10200
06:28:47,030 --> 06:28:44,958
record

10201
06:28:48,708 --> 06:28:47,040
and that's what we're gonna have to keep

10202
06:28:51,430 --> 06:28:48,718
doing you know it's actually quite

10203
06:28:54,310 --> 06:28:51,440
interesting having gone through um kind

10204
06:28:56,788 --> 06:28:54,320
of behind the scenes congressional of of

10205
06:28:59,110 --> 06:28:56,798
uh previous attempts by you know

10206
06:29:00,468 --> 06:28:59,120
representatives to either have public

10207
06:29:02,788 --> 06:29:00,478
hearings or

10208
06:29:05,030 --> 06:29:02,798
you know have their own investigations

10209
06:29:07,510 --> 06:29:05,040
or private hearings i have behind the

10210
06:29:08,868 --> 06:29:07,520
scenes records of the air force talking

10211
06:29:11,030 --> 06:29:08,878
about this stuff and how they're going

10212
06:29:13,110 --> 06:29:11,040
to throw heinek to him because he's got

10213
06:29:15,590 --> 06:29:13,120
a reputable name or

10214
06:29:17,910 --> 06:29:15,600
another instance is

10215
06:29:20,548 --> 06:29:17,920
um you know them being relieved like on

10216
06:29:21,590 --> 06:29:20,558
the the article i did with mr sharp

10217
06:29:23,270 --> 06:29:21,600
there

10218
06:29:25,510 --> 06:29:23,280
we put one of the papers up about how

10219
06:29:27,670 --> 06:29:25,520
they were pretty much relieved that you

10220
06:29:30,628 --> 06:29:27,680
know they got congress off their back

10221
06:29:33,110 --> 06:29:30,638
one letter i have from a congregation to

10222
06:29:35,910 --> 06:29:33,120
the air force i think is robert freed

10223
06:29:38,548 --> 06:29:35,920
her friend he's he's livid he's pissed

10224
06:29:41,270 --> 06:29:38,558
off because he read don quijo's book

10225
06:29:42,868 --> 06:29:41,280
and he's going after the guy like you

10226
06:29:45,110 --> 06:29:42,878
got to explain this to me this to me and

10227
06:29:46,948 --> 06:29:45,120
that to me and then they talk to the air

10228
06:29:47,910 --> 06:29:46,958
force and then it's over

10229
06:29:50,468 --> 06:29:47,920
you know

10230
06:29:52,708 --> 06:29:50,478
and they haven't tried it again since

10231
06:29:54,628 --> 06:29:52,718
literally university of colorado and

10232
06:29:56,390 --> 06:29:54,638
sometimes i think is maybe that's why

10233
06:29:58,948 --> 06:29:56,400
they said they gave up the study

10234
06:30:00,628 --> 06:29:58,958
so they wouldn't have congress people um

10235
06:30:02,310 --> 06:30:00,638
barking down their necks for oversight

10236
06:30:03,750 --> 06:30:02,320
anymore but

10237
06:30:05,830 --> 06:30:03,760
that was correct yeah that was that was

10238
06:30:07,510 --> 06:30:05,840
a really interesting article and i mean

10239
06:30:09,830 --> 06:30:07,520
what i kind of take away from all this

10240
06:30:11,510 --> 06:30:09,840
is that i mean we had to say we had

10241
06:30:13,190 --> 06:30:11,520
similar problems didn't we in terms of

10242
06:30:14,708 --> 06:30:13,200
what the air force had similar problems

10243
06:30:16,948 --> 06:30:14,718
to what we're encountering today we

10244
06:30:19,750 --> 06:30:16,958
heard about you know um

10245
06:30:22,948 --> 06:30:19,760
objects basically penetrating um

10246
06:30:25,190 --> 06:30:22,958
supposedly secured military airspace um

10247
06:30:28,070 --> 06:30:25,200
them trying to get a hand on it and

10248
06:30:30,230 --> 06:30:28,080
obviously it's not really been um solved

10249
06:30:32,390 --> 06:30:30,240
after all these years but i think my

10250
06:30:34,070 --> 06:30:32,400
problem is that um

10251
06:30:35,750 --> 06:30:34,080
it's fine like if they want to keep

10252
06:30:38,310 --> 06:30:35,760
information away from

10253
06:30:41,030 --> 06:30:38,320
the public fine fine because it does

10254
06:30:43,430 --> 06:30:41,040
pose the security risks however

10255
06:30:45,590 --> 06:30:43,440
if and i say if

10256
06:30:48,230 --> 06:30:45,600
they are kind of not

10257
06:30:50,468 --> 06:30:48,240
providing information to

10258
06:30:51,750 --> 06:30:50,478
elected representatives

10259
06:30:53,190 --> 06:30:51,760
who are elect

10260
06:30:55,350 --> 06:30:53,200
especially to defense committees and

10261
06:30:57,910 --> 06:30:55,360
portfolio holders for defense

10262
06:31:00,230 --> 06:30:57,920
and intelligence and foreign relations

10263
06:31:03,430 --> 06:31:00,240
if information is not being passed over

10264
06:31:04,390 --> 06:31:03,440
to those elected members of incidents

10265
06:31:07,750 --> 06:31:04,400
that say

10266
06:31:09,270 --> 06:31:07,760
in relation to um nuclear weapons

10267
06:31:11,750 --> 06:31:09,280
um

10268
06:31:13,990 --> 06:31:11,760
ships warships being harassed by

10269
06:31:15,190 --> 06:31:14,000
you know drones whatever it may be i

10270
06:31:17,910 --> 06:31:15,200
mean if that's

10271
06:31:19,190 --> 06:31:17,920
i mean these people are elected to make

10272
06:31:21,190 --> 06:31:19,200
these decisions and if they're not

10273
06:31:23,750 --> 06:31:21,200
getting a full picture

10274
06:31:25,750 --> 06:31:23,760
of the situation

10275
06:31:28,468 --> 06:31:25,760
how are they supposed to make decisions

10276
06:31:30,070 --> 06:31:28,478
that can help kind of protect um your

10277
06:31:32,948 --> 06:31:30,080
country and i guess the western world as

10278
06:31:35,430 --> 06:31:32,958
well being the dominant military power

10279
06:31:37,110 --> 06:31:35,440
yeah that's the problem that um it's a

10280
06:31:40,150 --> 06:31:37,120
chicken and egg thing i mean someone has

10281
06:31:42,150 --> 06:31:40,160
to start uh you know the someone has to

10282
06:31:44,230 --> 06:31:42,160
take the lead be courageous

10283
06:31:46,070 --> 06:31:44,240
um but until someone takes a lead no

10284
06:31:48,070 --> 06:31:46,080
one's gonna take you know

10285
06:31:50,230 --> 06:31:48,080
everybo everyone in congress is afraid

10286
06:31:52,708 --> 06:31:50,240
that their political

10287
06:31:54,230 --> 06:31:52,718
uh adversaries or opponents will use

10288
06:31:56,788 --> 06:31:54,240
this information against them and make

10289
06:32:00,070 --> 06:31:56,798
fun of them um you know we saw that with

10290
06:32:03,030 --> 06:32:00,080
fife symington in arizona um who made

10291
06:32:04,868 --> 06:32:03,040
fun of the whole uh flying saucer thing

10292
06:32:07,430 --> 06:32:04,878
and he used that as a

10293
06:32:09,350 --> 06:32:07,440
you know campaign tactic and later on he

10294
06:32:11,350 --> 06:32:09,360
apologized for it he was very

10295
06:32:14,628 --> 06:32:11,360
embarrassed by what he had done because

10296
06:32:17,510 --> 06:32:14,638
he took a you know cheap shot

10297
06:32:19,750 --> 06:32:17,520
so so that's the problem um

10298
06:32:23,190 --> 06:32:19,760
but i think as i said opening the door

10299
06:32:26,310 --> 06:32:23,200
little by little uh will um

10300
06:32:29,110 --> 06:32:26,320
uh will bring results and uh

10301
06:32:31,190 --> 06:32:29,120
uh and i think we've got some really

10302
06:32:32,868 --> 06:32:31,200
impressive results so far i mean this

10303
06:32:35,430 --> 06:32:32,878
gillibrand uh

10304
06:32:39,350 --> 06:32:35,440
new agency that'll be starting up uh the

10305
06:32:40,390 --> 06:32:39,360
uap report uh uh task force report of

10306
06:32:41,270 --> 06:32:40,400
this year

10307
06:32:43,510 --> 06:32:41,280
uh

10308
06:32:45,830 --> 06:32:43,520
our stories in the times other stories

10309
06:32:46,788 --> 06:32:45,840
um this big story in the new yorker this

10310
06:32:47,910 --> 06:32:46,798
year

10311
06:32:49,670 --> 06:32:47,920
um

10312
06:32:51,590 --> 06:32:49,680
so uh you know we got to take a little

10313
06:32:53,670 --> 06:32:51,600
bit of the longer view and say we're

10314
06:32:56,948 --> 06:32:53,680
moving in the right direction

10315
06:32:58,548 --> 06:32:56,958
uh mr blue mythol do you have time for

10316
06:33:00,230 --> 06:32:58,558
maybe two or three more questions or how

10317
06:33:03,990 --> 06:33:00,240
you feel maybe one or two because i do

10318
06:33:05,750 --> 06:33:04,000
have to go ahead no problem um

10319
06:33:07,430 --> 06:33:05,760
whoever talks first gets it i don't know

10320
06:33:09,510 --> 06:33:07,440
what does that mean i got a question for

10321
06:33:11,270 --> 06:33:09,520
you guys actually this is this is

10322
06:33:13,670 --> 06:33:11,280
honestly open to anybody who wants to

10323
06:33:15,430 --> 06:33:13,680
answer but i'm i i sit here and i listen

10324
06:33:16,468 --> 06:33:15,440
to all these conversations and like each

10325
06:33:18,548 --> 06:33:16,478
one of us

10326
06:33:20,468 --> 06:33:18,558
obviously you guys way more than me have

10327
06:33:21,910 --> 06:33:20,478
a lot more inside information on this

10328
06:33:23,990 --> 06:33:21,920
stuff

10329
06:33:26,468 --> 06:33:24,000
but the thing i'm seeing is i see

10330
06:33:28,548 --> 06:33:26,478
content creators i see musicians i see

10331
06:33:31,510 --> 06:33:28,558
writers i see storytellers it's the same

10332
06:33:33,590 --> 06:33:31,520
types of people i see when i go on ufo

10333
06:33:35,110 --> 06:33:33,600
twitter or you know any of these spaces

10334
06:33:37,670 --> 06:33:35,120
involved with this so

10335
06:33:39,430 --> 06:33:37,680
my question to you guys is what is it

10336
06:33:42,390 --> 06:33:39,440
about artistic

10337
06:33:44,468 --> 06:33:42,400
types of people and creatives in general

10338
06:33:50,868 --> 06:33:44,478
that have such a fixation on this

10339
06:33:55,430 --> 06:33:53,190
i mean i know one guy that runs a

10340
06:33:56,468 --> 06:33:55,440
podcast called aliens and artists that's

10341
06:33:59,510 --> 06:33:56,478
that's

10342
06:34:01,990 --> 06:33:59,520
sitting in a weird dark corner

10343
06:34:03,430 --> 06:34:02,000
of a hotel room in california right now

10344
06:34:05,590 --> 06:34:03,440
hey i don't like the way you combine

10345
06:34:06,868 --> 06:34:05,600
weird and dark it's a beautiful dark

10346
06:34:09,030 --> 06:34:06,878
corner over here

10347
06:34:12,868 --> 06:34:09,040
that's my favorite question in life and

10348
06:34:15,350 --> 06:34:12,878
i'm i'm so gratified that you asked that

10349
06:34:16,948 --> 06:34:15,360
and for my own personal

10350
06:34:18,150 --> 06:34:16,958
part of this exploration i could just

10351
06:34:21,030 --> 06:34:18,160
say that

10352
06:34:23,670 --> 06:34:21,040
i think the

10353
06:34:25,510 --> 06:34:23,680
tradition that artists and creators

10354
06:34:27,830 --> 06:34:25,520
participate in

10355
06:34:30,230 --> 06:34:27,840
when they reach into nothing

10356
06:34:33,190 --> 06:34:30,240
and pull for something whether that's a

10357
06:34:35,670 --> 06:34:33,200
screenplay or a song or a painting

10358
06:34:37,670 --> 06:34:35,680
i think there's a mechanism in play

10359
06:34:40,708 --> 06:34:37,680
with human creativity

10360
06:34:42,948 --> 06:34:40,718
that's the oldest most deeply human

10361
06:34:46,628 --> 06:34:42,958
thing about us

10362
06:34:48,788 --> 06:34:46,638
and my own speculation would be that

10363
06:34:50,788 --> 06:34:48,798
some non-human intelligences have a

10364
06:34:54,230 --> 06:34:50,798
great appreciation

10365
06:34:58,310 --> 06:34:54,240
and magnetism toward that

10366
06:34:59,270 --> 06:34:58,320
profound creative capacity we have

10367
06:35:02,230 --> 06:34:59,280
and

10368
06:35:03,030 --> 06:35:02,240
it's also where our greatest promise is

10369
06:35:06,548 --> 06:35:03,040
so

10370
06:35:08,868 --> 06:35:06,558
all the wild cards all the surprises

10371
06:35:11,830 --> 06:35:08,878
come from this ritual

10372
06:35:13,830 --> 06:35:11,840
we conduct which is to bring something

10373
06:35:15,190 --> 06:35:13,840
forth from nothing

10374
06:35:18,230 --> 06:35:15,200
and

10375
06:35:21,190 --> 06:35:18,240
if i had to venture a guess i feel that

10376
06:35:22,310 --> 06:35:21,200
some of these non-human relationships

10377
06:35:23,430 --> 06:35:22,320
are

10378
06:35:26,948 --> 06:35:23,440
betting

10379
06:35:28,948 --> 06:35:26,958
or banking on our capacity to truly

10380
06:35:32,868 --> 06:35:28,958
reinvent ourselves

10381
06:35:34,788 --> 06:35:32,878
and obtain an other order of being

10382
06:35:37,430 --> 06:35:34,798
because again if i were to speculate i

10383
06:35:40,510 --> 06:35:37,440
think that is what will be required if

10384
06:35:43,350 --> 06:35:40,520
we are ever to enter into a truly

10385
06:35:45,350 --> 06:35:43,360
egalitarian relationship with them of of

10386
06:35:47,750 --> 06:35:45,360
some kind something with a little bit

10387
06:35:50,310 --> 06:35:47,760
more parody so that we don't

10388
06:35:53,230 --> 06:35:50,320
constantly feel ourselves

10389
06:35:55,750 --> 06:35:53,240
disjointed and in this

10390
06:35:57,990 --> 06:35:55,760
irreconcilable void between

10391
06:35:59,190 --> 06:35:58,000
their exotic technology

10392
06:36:01,350 --> 06:35:59,200
and

10393
06:36:03,350 --> 06:36:01,360
our great inner lives

10394
06:36:05,030 --> 06:36:03,360
so yeah i do definitely go that's why we

10395
06:36:06,708 --> 06:36:05,040
made the show jay's been on there

10396
06:36:08,310 --> 06:36:06,718
kirsten's been on there i hope i'm

10397
06:36:09,430 --> 06:36:08,320
hoping ralph's gonna come on sean's

10398
06:36:10,948 --> 06:36:09,440
gonna come on

10399
06:36:12,390 --> 06:36:10,958
and this is the question we ask over and

10400
06:36:14,070 --> 06:36:12,400
over again which is how does human

10401
06:36:15,750 --> 06:36:14,080
creativity

10402
06:36:19,590 --> 06:36:15,760
connect to non-human intelligence and

10403
06:36:22,788 --> 06:36:19,600
how does contact with non-human entities

10404
06:36:24,150 --> 06:36:22,798
alter and perhaps transmute human

10405
06:36:25,830 --> 06:36:24,160
creativity

10406
06:36:27,350 --> 06:36:25,840
i love that you asked that question i

10407
06:36:29,270 --> 06:36:27,360
don't have the ultimate answer to it but

10408
06:36:31,270 --> 06:36:29,280
i'm living that question every day and i

10409
06:36:32,788 --> 06:36:31,280
just want to thank you for bringing it

10410
06:36:34,548 --> 06:36:32,798
into the picture

10411
06:36:36,070 --> 06:36:34,558
you know um

10412
06:36:38,788 --> 06:36:36,080
i'll say that some of the great

10413
06:36:40,948 --> 06:36:38,798
breakthroughs in in science have come

10414
06:36:43,590 --> 06:36:40,958
from apparent downloads

10415
06:36:45,350 --> 06:36:43,600
um and so you know is this the universe

10416
06:36:47,030 --> 06:36:45,360
reaching out to certain people to

10417
06:36:49,990 --> 06:36:47,040
implant ideas

10418
06:36:51,830 --> 06:36:50,000
um carrie mullis who had a very

10419
06:36:54,390 --> 06:36:51,840
interesting encounter

10420
06:36:57,430 --> 06:36:54,400
and not a not a spaceship encounter but

10421
06:37:00,150 --> 06:36:57,440
an encounter with a luminous raccoon who

10422
06:37:02,948 --> 06:37:00,160
spoke to him and he won a nobel prize

10423
06:37:05,990 --> 06:37:02,958
and she had a nobel prize in chemistry

10424
06:37:07,270 --> 06:37:06,000
um died just a couple years ago

10425
06:37:10,390 --> 06:37:07,280
and he

10426
06:37:12,628 --> 06:37:10,400
invented a way of replicating dna

10427
06:37:15,430 --> 06:37:12,638
billions of times for research and it's

10428
06:37:17,030 --> 06:37:15,440
kind of came to him suddenly i mean and

10429
06:37:19,350 --> 06:37:17,040
all those scientists who ponder a

10430
06:37:21,110 --> 06:37:19,360
problem and then when they least expect

10431
06:37:23,190 --> 06:37:21,120
it the idea pops into their head well

10432
06:37:25,190 --> 06:37:23,200
where does that come from i mean is that

10433
06:37:26,310 --> 06:37:25,200
non-human intelligence reaching out to

10434
06:37:28,468 --> 06:37:26,320
implant

10435
06:37:29,910 --> 06:37:28,478
uh you know a breakthrough in somebody

10436
06:37:32,070 --> 06:37:29,920
who can

10437
06:37:32,948 --> 06:37:32,080
you know use it properly

10438
06:37:35,350 --> 06:37:32,958
um

10439
06:37:37,190 --> 06:37:35,360
so i in a way i agree with stuart that

10440
06:37:39,990 --> 06:37:37,200
this may be something some force

10441
06:37:42,548 --> 06:37:40,000
reaching out to people who can

10442
06:37:45,830 --> 06:37:42,558
uh you know the artists uh

10443
06:37:48,150 --> 06:37:45,840
and you know bud hopkins said um

10444
06:37:50,070 --> 06:37:48,160
he was happy to do this uh alien

10445
06:37:52,548 --> 06:37:50,080
research because nobody cares what an

10446
06:37:54,548 --> 06:37:52,558
artist thinks

10447
06:37:57,590 --> 06:37:54,558
he didn't have to worry like john mack

10448
06:37:59,750 --> 06:37:57,600
had to worry about his career um

10449
06:38:01,110 --> 06:37:59,760
no one was gonna you know tell him not

10450
06:38:04,070 --> 06:38:01,120
to make um

10451
06:38:06,548 --> 06:38:04,080
you know uh his his guardian sculptures

10452
06:38:09,510 --> 06:38:06,558
because he he was having uh

10453
06:38:13,030 --> 06:38:09,520
he he was crediting uh you know

10454
06:38:16,230 --> 06:38:13,040
alien beings with um

10455
06:38:19,350 --> 06:38:16,240
manifesting in the universe so anyway um

10456
06:38:21,990 --> 06:38:19,360
but that's that's a good question i mean

10457
06:38:24,868 --> 06:38:22,000
who's reaching out to whom and why

10458
06:38:27,510 --> 06:38:24,878
is there something behind all this

10459
06:38:30,150 --> 06:38:27,520
uh it is fascinating grant cameron's

10460
06:38:31,190 --> 06:38:30,160
actually a great source on that um

10461
06:38:33,110 --> 06:38:31,200
he's

10462
06:38:35,350 --> 06:38:33,120
you know i just had him on thursday and

10463
06:38:37,670 --> 06:38:35,360
we were talking about the same thing

10464
06:38:39,510 --> 06:38:37,680
like the whole show telling me and he

10465
06:38:42,788 --> 06:38:39,520
told me a very interesting story about

10466
06:38:44,708 --> 06:38:42,798
paul mccartney and let him let it be oh

10467
06:38:47,110 --> 06:38:44,718
you know um so you'll have to watch the

10468
06:38:50,468 --> 06:38:47,120
episode for that but

10469
06:38:52,868 --> 06:38:50,478
uh mother mary is is not uh from church

10470
06:38:55,350 --> 06:38:52,878
let's say that mother mary is that

10471
06:38:56,230 --> 06:38:55,360
mother who came to him uh in his dream

10472
06:38:58,868 --> 06:38:56,240
and

10473
06:39:00,468 --> 06:38:58,878
um there was a another song yesterday i

10474
06:39:02,070 --> 06:39:00,478
believe it was that he just couldn't get

10475
06:39:03,590 --> 06:39:02,080
it out of his head and being a

10476
06:39:05,990 --> 06:39:03,600
songwriter and having written hundreds

10477
06:39:07,670 --> 06:39:06,000
of songs i don't know where my content

10478
06:39:08,868 --> 06:39:07,680
comes from you know

10479
06:39:11,430 --> 06:39:08,878
my words

10480
06:39:13,670 --> 06:39:11,440
and everything else just comes out and i

10481
06:39:16,788 --> 06:39:13,680
don't think about it i don't plan ahead

10482
06:39:18,788 --> 06:39:16,798
so to speak you know it's just it comes

10483
06:39:20,708 --> 06:39:18,798
and i can't force it either there's just

10484
06:39:22,948 --> 06:39:20,718
a feeling that comes over you

10485
06:39:25,750 --> 06:39:22,958
um and you know some people say it's

10486
06:39:27,990 --> 06:39:25,760
called inspired and you just decide to

10487
06:39:31,270 --> 06:39:28,000
try to do something stream of conscious

10488
06:39:32,628 --> 06:39:31,280
lyrics um and the sound stuff for

10489
06:39:35,030 --> 06:39:32,638
instance just

10490
06:39:36,788 --> 06:39:35,040
it fits when it fits you know and i

10491
06:39:38,948 --> 06:39:36,798
don't it's not based on a key it's like

10492
06:39:40,948 --> 06:39:38,958
oh that's the wrong key it's a feeling

10493
06:39:43,590 --> 06:39:40,958
it's an emotion it's a vibe that has to

10494
06:39:45,590 --> 06:39:43,600
sink in perfectly with that sense of

10495
06:39:47,750 --> 06:39:45,600
inspiration you have it and then there

10496
06:39:51,110 --> 06:39:47,760
you go you know people have called it

10497
06:39:53,030 --> 06:39:51,120
flow where does flow come from right um

10498
06:39:54,390 --> 06:39:53,040
anyway gang listen i gotta run but this

10499
06:40:07,590 --> 06:39:54,400
has been terrific

10500
06:40:11,110 --> 06:40:09,510
wow

10501
06:40:12,230 --> 06:40:11,120
what do you guys think should we do want

10502
06:40:14,548 --> 06:40:12,240
do you want to have like a little

10503
06:40:17,510 --> 06:40:14,558
follow-up convo you want to call me

10504
06:40:19,750 --> 06:40:17,520
dude oh like i have to come back

10505
06:40:21,590 --> 06:40:19,760
you've been on a lot longer than i have

10506
06:40:23,030 --> 06:40:21,600
so i'm all fired up and ready to go at

10507
06:40:28,070 --> 06:40:23,040
this point

10508
06:40:31,510 --> 06:40:29,990
i could i could do like a two-minute

10509
06:40:35,110 --> 06:40:31,520
kitchen and bathroom break and then i

10510
06:40:37,190 --> 06:40:35,120
i'm like good to i'm good to like okay

10511
06:40:38,230 --> 06:40:37,200
put our put our brain cells together

10512
06:40:40,628 --> 06:40:38,240
understood

10513
06:40:41,590 --> 06:40:40,638
our hashtag for about another 15 guys

10514
06:40:43,990 --> 06:40:41,600
i'm cool

10515
06:40:45,430 --> 06:40:44,000
okay uh i'm gonna do a bathroom break

10516
06:40:47,430 --> 06:40:45,440
too so

10517
06:40:50,390 --> 06:40:47,440
you know

10518
06:40:52,150 --> 06:40:50,400
uh kirsten christopher with each other

10519
06:41:00,548 --> 06:40:52,160
yeah all right sounds good i'll be right

10520
06:41:04,548 --> 06:41:03,110
i wanted to come back and say you know

10521
06:41:06,150 --> 06:41:04,558
i could not be

10522
06:41:07,030 --> 06:41:06,160
i could not miss the end of this you

10523
06:41:09,990 --> 06:41:07,040
know

10524
06:41:10,788 --> 06:41:10,000
all of you guys on the panel right now

10525
06:41:11,670 --> 06:41:10,798
are

10526
06:41:13,110 --> 06:41:11,680
people

10527
06:41:14,788 --> 06:41:13,120
i mean kirsten we've not really met

10528
06:41:16,948 --> 06:41:14,798
before but

10529
06:41:18,548 --> 06:41:16,958
you know i followed you for for a little

10530
06:41:20,788 --> 06:41:18,558
while now and

10531
06:41:22,390 --> 06:41:20,798
you're awesome chris thank you you know

10532
06:41:28,788 --> 06:41:22,400
we've had we've got our history chris

10533
06:41:32,310 --> 06:41:30,310
this is the first year on the wine i'm

10534
06:41:34,230 --> 06:41:32,320
on the rivena

10535
06:41:35,670 --> 06:41:34,240
no i'm not on the wine anymore benji you

10536
06:41:38,070 --> 06:41:35,680
know i love you bro you know you're my

10537
06:41:39,590 --> 06:41:38,080
brother and i just wanted to kind of you

10538
06:41:41,430 --> 06:41:39,600
know i spent

10539
06:41:43,270 --> 06:41:41,440
how could i dip out like in the last

10540
06:41:44,788 --> 06:41:43,280
hour before it all finished and that i

10541
06:41:46,548 --> 06:41:44,798
just wanted to say

10542
06:41:48,150 --> 06:41:46,558
thank you to all of you guys for being

10543
06:41:51,510 --> 06:41:48,160
here and

10544
06:41:53,430 --> 06:41:51,520
sean has gone sean i love you man

10545
06:41:55,110 --> 06:41:53,440
um

10546
06:41:57,270 --> 06:41:55,120
yeah i had to come back and and finish

10547
06:41:58,628 --> 06:41:57,280
it off with the big end uab secrecy

10548
06:42:00,948 --> 06:41:58,638
banner

10549
06:42:01,830 --> 06:42:00,958
and just say i love you all and i think

10550
06:42:03,670 --> 06:42:01,840
we're

10551
06:42:07,030 --> 06:42:03,680
entering in a new

10552
06:42:09,670 --> 06:42:07,040
paradigm 2022 is going to be incredible

10553
06:42:11,190 --> 06:42:09,680
i'm so glad to be a part of it i hope to

10554
06:42:14,150 --> 06:42:11,200
speak to all of you

10555
06:42:16,468 --> 06:42:14,160
more and more in the new year so yeah

10556
06:42:17,910 --> 06:42:16,478
that would be lovely yeah

10557
06:42:19,750 --> 06:42:17,920
you know you're my guy bro i'll probably

10558
06:42:20,730 --> 06:42:19,760
talk to you tomorrow

10559
06:42:23,270 --> 06:42:20,740
you know that man

10560
06:42:25,510 --> 06:42:23,280
[Laughter]

10561
06:42:27,430 --> 06:42:25,520
well and christopher and benji it's a

10562
06:42:29,030 --> 06:42:27,440
pleasure to meet you both and um

10563
06:42:30,948 --> 06:42:29,040
likewise chris this is the first time

10564
06:42:33,750 --> 06:42:30,958
i've played yeah so

10565
06:42:35,990 --> 06:42:33,760
um i i've got to get on the

10566
06:42:36,948 --> 06:42:36,000
on the ball and and start following you

10567
06:42:41,190 --> 06:42:36,958
to

10568
06:42:42,868 --> 06:42:41,200
about you both

10569
06:42:45,510 --> 06:42:42,878
chris i was actually i was going to ask

10570
06:42:48,310 --> 06:42:45,520
you really quick man i i i watch a lot

10571
06:42:49,910 --> 06:42:48,320
of videos i haven't seen too many of you

10572
06:42:51,910 --> 06:42:49,920
on camera though man like if you don't

10573
06:42:53,830 --> 06:42:51,920
mind me asking for anybody that doesn't

10574
06:42:54,480 --> 06:42:53,840
know already but what got you interested

10575
06:42:56,150 --> 06:42:54,490
in this topic

10576
06:42:57,830 --> 06:42:56,160
[Music]

10577
06:42:59,750 --> 06:42:57,840
oh gosh oh that's a very very good

10578
06:43:02,390 --> 06:42:59,760
question um

10579
06:43:04,230 --> 06:43:02,400
i guess like i was in i i mean i got

10580
06:43:05,750 --> 06:43:04,240
into it like three like corbell

10581
06:43:08,390 --> 06:43:05,760
um people like that on the joe rogan

10582
06:43:09,990 --> 06:43:08,400
show um i saw tom delange i thought he

10583
06:43:11,670 --> 06:43:10,000
lost his marbles when he went on joe

10584
06:43:13,750 --> 06:43:11,680
rogan

10585
06:43:15,030 --> 06:43:13,760
but then all of a sudden this story came

10586
06:43:17,030 --> 06:43:15,040
out and

10587
06:43:18,868 --> 06:43:17,040
it kind of like had like tom delonge was

10588
06:43:20,230 --> 06:43:18,878
all over it with ttsa and whatnot i was

10589
06:43:22,310 --> 06:43:20,240
like bloody hell like maybe he was

10590
06:43:25,110 --> 06:43:22,320
telling the truth so i had to revisit

10591
06:43:26,948 --> 06:43:25,120
everything he said to this day

10592
06:43:29,510 --> 06:43:26,958
when something new comes out i go back

10593
06:43:31,350 --> 06:43:29,520
to what tom originally said and see kind

10594
06:43:33,350 --> 06:43:31,360
of like how

10595
06:43:35,830 --> 06:43:33,360
it kind of like fits so i really enjoy

10596
06:43:37,990 --> 06:43:35,840
doing that um but but i guess fast

10597
06:43:41,830 --> 06:43:38,000
forward um i mean i'm working in the

10598
06:43:42,868 --> 06:43:41,840
city of london um you know pop

10599
06:43:43,670 --> 06:43:42,878
should i do

10600
06:43:45,590 --> 06:43:43,680
um

10601
06:43:48,070 --> 06:43:45,600
and then all of a sudden covered hits

10602
06:43:50,390 --> 06:43:48,080
and my wife being a nurse um like her

10603
06:43:52,868 --> 06:43:50,400
and her ward all course at the same time

10604
06:43:55,910 --> 06:43:52,878
um and then by de facto i caught it and

10605
06:43:57,430 --> 06:43:55,920
i got it quite bad um and i think i was

10606
06:43:59,030 --> 06:43:57,440
i was like ill for like three weeks

10607
06:44:00,310 --> 06:43:59,040
almost had to go to the hospital and

10608
06:44:03,030 --> 06:44:00,320
kind of like i remember laying down on

10609
06:44:05,030 --> 06:44:03,040
my bed like unable to breathe just like

10610
06:44:06,628 --> 06:44:05,040
really horrible um and then all of a

10611
06:44:09,190 --> 06:44:06,638
sudden i see this story like my friend

10612
06:44:11,110 --> 06:44:09,200
sends it to me about um the pentagon

10613
06:44:13,510 --> 06:44:11,120
kind of like releasing the videos

10614
06:44:16,548 --> 06:44:13,520
themselves which kind of like blew me

10615
06:44:18,390 --> 06:44:16,558
away and you know in a dark time and

10616
06:44:20,390 --> 06:44:18,400
cove it was here and it felt like the

10617
06:44:22,468 --> 06:44:20,400
end of the world all of a sudden it

10618
06:44:25,510 --> 06:44:22,478
seemed like there was hope

10619
06:44:28,468 --> 06:44:25,520
there was hope um so that that's what

10620
06:44:31,510 --> 06:44:28,478
got me into it um and

10621
06:44:34,708 --> 06:44:31,520
you know i started on ufa twitter and um

10622
06:44:35,830 --> 06:44:34,718
got involved like uap media uk and place

10623
06:44:38,628 --> 06:44:35,840
like that

10624
06:44:41,110 --> 06:44:38,638
um and then i guess just

10625
06:44:45,110 --> 06:44:41,120
to look after my son because it's pretty

10626
06:44:46,150 --> 06:44:45,120
pretty hard um i quit my job in um

10627
06:44:49,670 --> 06:44:46,160
august

10628
06:44:51,590 --> 06:44:49,680
and um i decided to do freelance public

10629
06:44:54,708 --> 06:44:51,600
repairs and public creations but also i

10630
06:44:55,830 --> 06:44:54,718
i started liberation times as well

10631
06:44:58,310 --> 06:44:55,840
um

10632
06:45:00,628 --> 06:44:58,320
and it's been such a wonderful journey

10633
06:45:02,788 --> 06:45:00,638
and i think a lot of what i cover is

10634
06:45:03,910 --> 06:45:02,798
kind of like um politics or anything

10635
06:45:05,030 --> 06:45:03,920
like that

10636
06:45:09,990 --> 06:45:05,040
um

10637
06:45:11,670 --> 06:45:10,000
i'm really getting into the moment is

10638
06:45:12,948 --> 06:45:11,680
i'm really getting into the um the

10639
06:45:15,190 --> 06:45:12,958
experience and stuff as well as i

10640
06:45:18,070 --> 06:45:15,200
mentioned earlier and i really want to

10641
06:45:20,708 --> 06:45:18,080
um get involved with um peter cool peter

10642
06:45:22,230 --> 06:45:20,718
curry um the australian guy because that

10643
06:45:24,948 --> 06:45:22,240
guy has

10644
06:45:26,948 --> 06:45:24,958
dna basically to say look this thing

10645
06:45:28,628 --> 06:45:26,958
happens i've got the dna and they've

10646
06:45:29,990 --> 06:45:28,638
done the analysis on it and it's kind of

10647
06:45:31,110 --> 06:45:30,000
like it's half

10648
06:45:34,390 --> 06:45:31,120
celtic

10649
06:45:35,590 --> 06:45:34,400
and half um like chinese a rare form of

10650
06:45:37,670 --> 06:45:35,600
like [\h__\h]

10651
06:45:39,750 --> 06:45:37,680
chinese but it's a blonde hair like

10652
06:45:42,310 --> 06:45:39,760
really really cool like suggesting that

10653
06:45:45,030 --> 06:45:42,320
you need littles you get little sun

10654
06:45:48,708 --> 06:45:45,040
you know they they took um

10655
06:45:51,510 --> 06:45:48,718
i think it was uh there is not too long

10656
06:45:53,110 --> 06:45:51,520
ago another analysis came out on betty's

10657
06:45:54,628 --> 06:45:53,120
dress i think it was

10658
06:45:58,230 --> 06:45:54,638
uh betty hill

10659
06:45:59,910 --> 06:45:58,240
and if they found dna that was uh very

10660
06:46:01,270 --> 06:45:59,920
similar to what you're describing as far

10661
06:46:04,468 --> 06:46:01,280
as the

10662
06:46:05,750 --> 06:46:04,478
uh mongolian something i'm not

10663
06:46:07,830 --> 06:46:05,760
you know

10664
06:46:09,830 --> 06:46:07,840
up enough to

10665
06:46:11,990 --> 06:46:09,840
um say exactly what it was but it was

10666
06:46:12,868 --> 06:46:12,000
something like that so that's it you

10667
06:46:14,948 --> 06:46:12,878
know

10668
06:46:17,830 --> 06:46:14,958
right yeah i i did another story the

10669
06:46:19,990 --> 06:46:17,840
other day um about italy and it was a

10670
06:46:22,390 --> 06:46:20,000
story um like i was mentioning to you

10671
06:46:25,030 --> 06:46:22,400
jay from leonard spring stringfield i

10672
06:46:27,750 --> 06:46:25,040
wanna say springfield stringfield um

10673
06:46:31,910 --> 06:46:27,760
and um it related to the italian crash

10674
06:46:36,230 --> 06:46:34,628
documents exist from mussolini authentic

10675
06:46:37,830 --> 06:46:36,240
documents they tested which says that

10676
06:46:40,310 --> 06:46:37,840
look there was a crash

10677
06:46:41,750 --> 06:46:40,320
and then apparently the vatican

10678
06:46:42,948 --> 06:46:41,760
told america

10679
06:46:44,868 --> 06:46:42,958
um when

10680
06:46:47,750 --> 06:46:44,878
you know he was allying with when the

10681
06:46:49,830 --> 06:46:47,760
duche mussolini was allying with germany

10682
06:46:51,830 --> 06:46:49,840
that look they've got this thing this is

10683
06:46:54,310 --> 06:46:51,840
where it's stored and american intel it

10684
06:46:56,868 --> 06:46:54,320
bombed every like complex military

10685
06:46:58,548 --> 06:46:56,878
complex in northern italy apart from

10686
06:47:00,868 --> 06:46:58,558
this single one where apparently this

10687
06:47:02,390 --> 06:47:00,878
craft was kept and then the story goes

10688
06:47:03,910 --> 06:47:02,400
and there's two accounts that there were

10689
06:47:06,310 --> 06:47:03,920
two bodies

10690
06:47:07,510 --> 06:47:06,320
right past an air force base nordic

10691
06:47:08,468 --> 06:47:07,520
looking

10692
06:47:10,788 --> 06:47:08,478
um

10693
06:47:13,270 --> 06:47:10,798
they've got the blonde hair

10694
06:47:16,628 --> 06:47:13,280
but the funny thing is this is they're

10695
06:47:18,628 --> 06:47:16,638
described as having asiatic eyes

10696
06:47:20,390 --> 06:47:18,638
so again that kind of like fits with

10697
06:47:22,070 --> 06:47:20,400
what you guys are saying with barney and

10698
06:47:25,030 --> 06:47:22,080
betty hill kind of like the chinese

10699
06:47:26,390 --> 06:47:25,040
mongolian dna and it fits to this peter

10700
06:47:27,270 --> 06:47:26,400
curry case as well

10701
06:47:29,030 --> 06:47:27,280
okay

10702
06:47:31,830 --> 06:47:29,040
so you've got these like blond beings of

10703
06:47:34,070 --> 06:47:31,840
like blue eyes but with asiatic features

10704
06:47:35,270 --> 06:47:34,080
and i find that really really incredible

10705
06:47:36,788 --> 06:47:35,280
just like

10706
06:47:40,628 --> 06:47:36,798
this

10707
06:47:42,708 --> 06:47:40,638
you know again i'm just going to throw

10708
06:47:45,030 --> 06:47:42,718
something similar out there the

10709
06:47:48,468 --> 06:47:45,040
uh eric geary the last person to bring

10710
06:47:49,510 --> 06:47:48,478
this topic to the u.n there was a story

10711
06:47:51,750 --> 06:47:49,520
um

10712
06:47:53,990 --> 06:47:51,760
and the person who wrote it his name

10713
06:47:57,590 --> 06:47:54,000
eludes me now but it was a story about

10714
06:47:59,430 --> 06:47:57,600
why uh eric gary had done that and

10715
06:48:01,430 --> 06:47:59,440
basically he

10716
06:48:02,788 --> 06:48:01,440
he had a bar he owned many bars but at

10717
06:48:05,750 --> 06:48:02,798
one of them

10718
06:48:07,590 --> 06:48:05,760
people would come up and pay money to

10719
06:48:09,910 --> 06:48:07,600
basically go over their grievances with

10720
06:48:13,190 --> 06:48:09,920
the guy right and one time a guy comes

10721
06:48:15,430 --> 06:48:13,200
up and says hey there's this thing that

10722
06:48:17,110 --> 06:48:15,440
washed up on the beach

10723
06:48:18,868 --> 06:48:17,120
these these things washed up on the

10724
06:48:21,510 --> 06:48:18,878
beach these beings and everything in the

10725
06:48:22,948 --> 06:48:21,520
craft so they're like all right and they

10726
06:48:24,708 --> 06:48:22,958
got everybody together and they went to

10727
06:48:27,030 --> 06:48:24,718
the beach to go look for this thing and

10728
06:48:29,350 --> 06:48:27,040
there were two like nordic blond-haired

10729
06:48:30,708 --> 06:48:29,360
blue-eyed uh beings

10730
06:48:33,110 --> 06:48:30,718
on the beach

10731
06:48:34,788 --> 06:48:33,120
and um a part of the craft and

10732
06:48:38,230 --> 06:48:34,798
apparently they took them to the medical

10733
06:48:40,230 --> 06:48:38,240
college um and then um

10734
06:48:42,548 --> 06:48:40,240
this is all speculative but

10735
06:48:44,948 --> 06:48:42,558
in the guam when we went to i think it

10736
06:48:46,390 --> 06:48:44,958
was no not guam whatever country that is

10737
06:48:49,990 --> 06:48:46,400
i'm forgetting about it

10738
06:48:51,590 --> 06:48:50,000
um but anyways we like invaded like a

10739
06:48:53,830 --> 06:48:51,600
couple years later

10740
06:48:55,110 --> 06:48:53,840
and the story is is that it was just a

10741
06:48:56,628 --> 06:48:55,120
ruse

10742
06:48:58,628 --> 06:48:56,638
uh because we went straight to the

10743
06:49:00,310 --> 06:48:58,638
medical college and evacuated all the

10744
06:49:01,510 --> 06:49:00,320
american students out there and the

10745
06:49:03,590 --> 06:49:01,520
story was

10746
06:49:05,830 --> 06:49:03,600
a ruse that we it wasn't really an

10747
06:49:07,990 --> 06:49:05,840
invasion we just went there to

10748
06:49:10,390 --> 06:49:08,000
go get those bodies out of there and

10749
06:49:11,110 --> 06:49:10,400
take them back to the country i had you

10750
06:49:13,430 --> 06:49:11,120
know

10751
06:49:14,948 --> 06:49:13,440
that part is speculation and written by

10752
06:49:16,948 --> 06:49:14,958
somebody um

10753
06:49:20,468 --> 06:49:16,958
but uh the rest of the united nations

10754
06:49:22,468 --> 06:49:20,478
part you know is very true and it was

10755
06:49:25,190 --> 06:49:22,478
about to actually get approved in the

10756
06:49:26,708 --> 06:49:25,200
united nations and voted in

10757
06:49:28,948 --> 06:49:26,718
um but

10758
06:49:30,070 --> 06:49:28,958
the i think it was maybe the day before

10759
06:49:33,030 --> 06:49:30,080
or something they were going to have

10760
06:49:35,030 --> 06:49:33,040
that vote there is a um

10761
06:49:37,270 --> 06:49:35,040
a coup attempt coup attempt it's a

10762
06:49:38,548 --> 06:49:37,280
cooler coupe i always screw that up

10763
06:49:40,310 --> 06:49:38,558
yeah

10764
06:49:42,070 --> 06:49:40,320
it's cool but you should probably say

10765
06:49:44,150 --> 06:49:42,080
coupe that sounds like a [\h__\h]

10766
06:49:48,230 --> 06:49:44,160
i think that's great there's a chevy

10767
06:49:51,750 --> 06:49:50,868
gary got ousted in like two hours

10768
06:49:54,788 --> 06:49:51,760
dude

10769
06:49:57,110 --> 06:49:54,798
um and then they never heard about it

10770
06:49:58,708 --> 06:49:57,120
again since and there's communications

10771
06:50:01,670 --> 06:49:58,718
with our government

10772
06:50:02,948 --> 06:50:01,680
and the new leader there to talking

10773
06:50:05,670 --> 06:50:02,958
afterwards

10774
06:50:07,830 --> 06:50:05,680
and um the the new guy the prime

10775
06:50:10,868 --> 06:50:07,840
minister whatever told them

10776
06:50:13,830 --> 06:50:10,878
that he's selling eric gary is now like

10777
06:50:16,310 --> 06:50:13,840
fixing to sell arms and this this is on

10778
06:50:17,270 --> 06:50:16,320
this is documented he's fixing to sell

10779
06:50:20,548 --> 06:50:17,280
arms

10780
06:50:22,788 --> 06:50:20,558
to the people back there to now

10781
06:50:25,590 --> 06:50:22,798
um chevy coupe him

10782
06:50:27,990 --> 06:50:25,600
so they were they were tracking him

10783
06:50:30,310 --> 06:50:28,000
literally for almost eight years while

10784
06:50:32,628 --> 06:50:30,320
he spent his time here in america

10785
06:50:35,030 --> 06:50:32,638
so it's it's just very interesting like

10786
06:50:37,190 --> 06:50:35,040
why do you do that you know

10787
06:50:39,990 --> 06:50:37,200
very interesting

10788
06:50:42,390 --> 06:50:40,000
and and along along the lines of what

10789
06:50:44,150 --> 06:50:42,400
christopher was also mentioning you know

10790
06:50:45,830 --> 06:50:44,160
we

10791
06:50:49,190 --> 06:50:45,840
having ralph here is such such an

10792
06:50:50,948 --> 06:50:49,200
amazing thing tonight and and ross and

10793
06:50:52,788 --> 06:50:50,958
you know one thing that we

10794
06:50:55,590 --> 06:50:52,798
lose sight of sometimes within this

10795
06:50:57,190 --> 06:50:55,600
community you know having held up lynn

10796
06:50:58,868 --> 06:50:57,200
stringfield's book

10797
06:51:00,230 --> 06:50:58,878
coral lorenzen's

10798
06:51:01,350 --> 06:51:00,240
work you know

10799
06:51:03,910 --> 06:51:01,360
uh

10800
06:51:05,590 --> 06:51:03,920
dolan's ufos and national security state

10801
06:51:08,868 --> 06:51:05,600
you know

10802
06:51:10,868 --> 06:51:08,878
there's a sense of historicism that we

10803
06:51:13,830 --> 06:51:10,878
think that we adhere to and at the same

10804
06:51:17,990 --> 06:51:13,840
time there are these trends that go in

10805
06:51:19,830 --> 06:51:18,000
and out of favor right and so for we

10806
06:51:21,350 --> 06:51:19,840
some of us we we kind of take for

10807
06:51:25,110 --> 06:51:21,360
granted that for

10808
06:51:27,190 --> 06:51:25,120
at least 50 straight years basically

10809
06:51:29,030 --> 06:51:27,200
like humanoid

10810
06:51:32,548 --> 06:51:29,040
uh

10811
06:51:33,670 --> 06:51:32,558
alien e.t cases um were completely out

10812
06:51:35,430 --> 06:51:33,680
of favor

10813
06:51:37,670 --> 06:51:35,440
and it was you know because of like the

10814
06:51:40,150 --> 06:51:37,680
space brothers cases adamski and things

10815
06:51:42,390 --> 06:51:40,160
like that that there are all these

10816
06:51:44,230 --> 06:51:42,400
yeah billy meyer and whatnot that there

10817
06:51:45,590 --> 06:51:44,240
are that there are all those early cases

10818
06:51:47,990 --> 06:51:45,600
where it's like oh they look like us

10819
06:51:50,468 --> 06:51:48,000
they look like us and then you know a

10820
06:51:53,510 --> 06:51:50,478
few of those people turned out to be

10821
06:51:55,510 --> 06:51:53,520
hoaxers or many of them did or you know

10822
06:52:00,070 --> 06:51:55,520
however you want to process the stuff

10823
06:52:02,468 --> 06:52:00,080
and then it it became like so passe and

10824
06:52:04,070 --> 06:52:02,478
like borderline

10825
06:52:05,990 --> 06:52:04,080
you know

10826
06:52:08,788 --> 06:52:06,000
it comes down to taste a lot of times

10827
06:52:10,310 --> 06:52:08,798
and for so many years you couldn't even

10828
06:52:12,310 --> 06:52:10,320
talk about

10829
06:52:15,270 --> 06:52:12,320
another being another

10830
06:52:17,590 --> 06:52:15,280
non-human intelligence or non-human even

10831
06:52:19,750 --> 06:52:17,600
that word right you couldn't talk about

10832
06:52:20,390 --> 06:52:19,760
hybrids you couldn't talk about other

10833
06:52:27,910 --> 06:52:20,400
like

10834
06:52:30,548 --> 06:52:27,920
but then you know here we are and as as

10835
06:52:32,070 --> 06:52:30,558
time goes by like there's

10836
06:52:34,070 --> 06:52:32,080
you know and within the experiencer

10837
06:52:36,788 --> 06:52:34,080
group we just we hear about the stuff

10838
06:52:39,270 --> 06:52:36,798
all the time yeah and if you look at bud

10839
06:52:40,708 --> 06:52:39,280
hopkins you look at john mack you look

10840
06:52:42,070 --> 06:52:40,718
at a lot of these

10841
06:52:43,270 --> 06:52:42,080
more

10842
06:52:45,750 --> 06:52:43,280
you know

10843
06:52:48,390 --> 06:52:45,760
cases with a foundation

10844
06:52:51,350 --> 06:52:48,400
people that had you know hundreds

10845
06:52:53,590 --> 06:52:51,360
of cases to look through people

10846
06:52:54,948 --> 06:52:53,600
and now that we've had close to 1200

10847
06:52:56,628 --> 06:52:54,958
people come through the experiencer

10848
06:52:57,590 --> 06:52:56,638
group just this year alone

10849
06:52:59,910 --> 06:52:57,600
you know

10850
06:53:03,110 --> 06:52:59,920
i've seen this a lot too

10851
06:53:05,590 --> 06:53:03,120
right yeah yeah there's one and so you

10852
06:53:09,270 --> 06:53:05,600
know it's it's interesting and and it's

10853
06:53:13,750 --> 06:53:11,430
we have to recognize that that that kind

10854
06:53:16,628 --> 06:53:13,760
of faddishness that those kinds of

10855
06:53:18,708 --> 06:53:16,638
cliques and those kinds of ideas like we

10856
06:53:20,628 --> 06:53:18,718
need to remain like

10857
06:53:22,070 --> 06:53:20,638
very very open-minded when we look at

10858
06:53:23,750 --> 06:53:22,080
this stuff because

10859
06:53:27,190 --> 06:53:23,760
because sometimes

10860
06:53:29,190 --> 06:53:27,200
we get into these cultural associations

10861
06:53:31,110 --> 06:53:29,200
and it may as well be like stonewashed

10862
06:53:32,390 --> 06:53:31,120
jeans or something like that right where

10863
06:53:35,110 --> 06:53:32,400
it's like ah

10864
06:53:37,350 --> 06:53:35,120
you know like you know like ah that was

10865
06:53:39,830 --> 06:53:37,360
so ten years ago and it's like

10866
06:53:42,708 --> 06:53:39,840
you know what like let's keep let's keep

10867
06:53:44,390 --> 06:53:42,718
accruing data let's keep our minds open

10868
06:53:46,868 --> 06:53:44,400
let's take things seriously and hold

10869
06:53:48,390 --> 06:53:46,878
them lightly and and get to a better

10870
06:53:51,030 --> 06:53:48,400
understanding for what all's going on

10871
06:53:53,430 --> 06:53:51,040
because it you know according to many

10872
06:53:55,670 --> 06:53:53,440
people including myself i don't make

10873
06:53:57,590 --> 06:53:55,680
many conclusions about things but

10874
06:54:00,390 --> 06:53:57,600
i have to think that there's more than

10875
06:54:05,270 --> 06:54:00,400
one thing going on here yeah you know

10876
06:54:10,070 --> 06:54:07,750
benji go ahead you guys hey guys i just

10877
06:54:12,150 --> 06:54:10,080
wanted to say i gotta head out i gotta i

10878
06:54:14,468 --> 06:54:12,160
got a party to go to actually so all

10879
06:54:17,910 --> 06:54:14,478
right

10880
06:54:21,750 --> 06:54:19,830
representing for us bro

10881
06:54:24,230 --> 06:54:21,760
yeah well i expect you to get to the

10882
06:54:25,910 --> 06:54:24,240
party and then just like tune in

10883
06:54:27,990 --> 06:54:25,920
you know get back to the stream yard

10884
06:54:29,350 --> 06:54:28,000
link what's probably gonna happen is i'm

10885
06:54:30,708 --> 06:54:29,360
gonna get to the party i'm probably

10886
06:54:32,390 --> 06:54:30,718
gonna drink one beer and then i'll fall

10887
06:54:34,070 --> 06:54:32,400
asleep

10888
06:54:37,110 --> 06:54:34,080
you're gonna share the youtube link with

10889
06:54:38,868 --> 06:54:37,120
everybody in the body oh sure for sure

10890
06:54:41,030 --> 06:54:38,878
you're gonna re-watch it definitely go

10891
06:54:42,708 --> 06:54:41,040
check it out

10892
06:54:44,948 --> 06:54:42,718
wonderful to meet you benji it was

10893
06:54:47,430 --> 06:54:44,958
awesome

10894
06:54:52,150 --> 06:54:47,440
jay chris benji you know i love you

10895
06:54:55,750 --> 06:54:54,150
thanks guys have fun for all of us spend

10896
06:55:01,590 --> 06:54:55,760
time with yourself

10897
06:55:06,468 --> 06:55:04,390
it's so great to meet him it's wonderful

10898
06:55:07,910 --> 06:55:06,478
he's incredible absolutely i wanted to

10899
06:55:09,350 --> 06:55:07,920
just follow up on what you were saying

10900
06:55:11,910 --> 06:55:09,360
because um

10901
06:55:13,830 --> 06:55:11,920
you know dipping back into historical

10902
06:55:15,750 --> 06:55:13,840
writings you know you and i both know

10903
06:55:17,910 --> 06:55:15,760
this is this is something we both talk

10904
06:55:20,948 --> 06:55:17,920
about a lot and christopher

10905
06:55:22,788 --> 06:55:20,958
it is so important to go backwards and

10906
06:55:24,150 --> 06:55:22,798
look at what has been written i'm

10907
06:55:27,830 --> 06:55:24,160
rereading

10908
06:55:30,708 --> 06:55:27,840
um the work of albert bender and uh gray

10909
06:55:33,590 --> 06:55:30,718
uh barker right now and that stuff was

10910
06:55:35,590 --> 06:55:33,600
written in the 1950s and

10911
06:55:38,310 --> 06:55:35,600
you know i'm sure it got thrown in the

10912
06:55:41,270 --> 06:55:38,320
trash a lot over the years but if you

10913
06:55:43,590 --> 06:55:41,280
pick it up again and you re-read it

10914
06:55:44,468 --> 06:55:43,600
there's so much that resonates

10915
06:55:46,628 --> 06:55:44,478
um

10916
06:55:49,430 --> 06:55:46,638
it's it is it's like fashion it's like

10917
06:55:52,150 --> 06:55:49,440
it comes back around and suddenly

10918
06:55:53,590 --> 06:55:52,160
um a humanoid being who is cloaked as a

10919
06:55:56,070 --> 06:55:53,600
human and

10920
06:56:00,548 --> 06:55:56,080
looks like sean does right at this very

10921
06:56:00,558 --> 06:56:05,180
is is what people are saying

10922
06:56:05,190 --> 06:56:12,708
[Laughter]

10923
06:56:16,628 --> 06:56:14,788
momentum with my um my website i'm

10924
06:56:19,270 --> 06:56:16,638
getting people contact me which is

10925
06:56:21,190 --> 06:56:19,280
really cool um i can tell you that a

10926
06:56:23,350 --> 06:56:21,200
story that i will be working on

10927
06:56:24,788 --> 06:56:23,360
hopefully very soon i've got a source

10928
06:56:25,910 --> 06:56:24,798
it's got a connection there is the

10929
06:56:26,868 --> 06:56:25,920
vatican

10930
06:56:27,830 --> 06:56:26,878
um

10931
06:56:29,910 --> 06:56:27,840
so

10932
06:56:40,230 --> 06:56:29,920
i i mean i can't really divulge much at

10933
06:56:44,468 --> 06:56:42,390
which is the main italian organization

10934
06:56:46,230 --> 06:56:44,478
behind yes

10935
06:56:48,390 --> 06:56:46,240
but they've got a lot to do about with

10936
06:56:51,430 --> 06:56:48,400
ice

10937
06:56:54,150 --> 06:56:51,440
we know them don't we vinnie and oh yeah

10938
06:56:55,670 --> 06:56:54,160
cfas which is connected to them which is

10939
06:56:59,110 --> 06:56:55,680
like a think tank

10940
06:57:01,750 --> 06:56:59,120
cfas has actually um

10941
06:57:04,150 --> 06:57:01,760
held a lot of conferences for the last

10942
06:57:06,548 --> 06:57:04,160
six years well 10 years or so at the

10943
06:57:09,030 --> 06:57:06,558
vatican on this topic

10944
06:57:11,110 --> 06:57:09,040
they're very very well connected

10945
06:57:13,510 --> 06:57:11,120
and you could argue that perhaps the

10946
06:57:16,468 --> 06:57:13,520
vatican is following stuff

10947
06:57:18,230 --> 06:57:16,478
through these organizations as well so

10948
06:57:19,990 --> 06:57:18,240
um that's going to be very very

10949
06:57:21,350 --> 06:57:20,000
interesting and i mean in terms of

10950
06:57:24,948 --> 06:57:21,360
history i can

10951
06:57:27,750 --> 06:57:24,958
go as far back as the um the greek the

10952
06:57:30,310 --> 06:57:27,760
greek gods and greek mythology it even

10953
06:57:33,190 --> 06:57:30,320
made me think the other day um when lou

10954
06:57:36,070 --> 06:57:33,200
posted the pictures of his um his dogs

10955
06:57:40,150 --> 06:57:36,080
they're named after like um greek

10956
06:57:43,910 --> 06:57:42,310
funny thing about hercules his dog's

10957
06:57:47,110 --> 06:57:43,920
name is i heard that and then i was

10958
06:57:48,468 --> 06:57:47,120
going on this long like rabbit hole of

10959
06:57:55,670 --> 06:57:48,478
uh

10960
06:57:57,350 --> 06:57:55,680
wilson emerald wilson and following like

10961
06:58:00,070 --> 06:57:57,360
the the companies

10962
06:58:04,468 --> 06:58:00,080
that uh where he works now what they

10963
06:58:06,948 --> 06:58:04,478
were and one of them was called hercules

10964
06:58:09,190 --> 06:58:06,958
and you know sometimes like i'm like is

10965
06:58:12,628 --> 06:58:09,200
that a clue or am i just thinking too

10966
06:58:14,230 --> 06:58:12,638
hard i'm like yeah i'm just doing

10967
06:58:16,310 --> 06:58:14,240
a long story do you remember on his joe

10968
06:58:17,990 --> 06:58:16,320
rogan interview he said that he was

10969
06:58:19,670 --> 06:58:18,000
speaking to one of the former directors

10970
06:58:22,070 --> 06:58:19,680
of the cia when he was working one of

10971
06:58:23,990 --> 06:58:22,080
his books and then the guy who was like

10972
06:58:26,948 --> 06:58:24,000
the former director of the cia basically

10973
06:58:28,390 --> 06:58:26,958
said to him um you know what i really

10974
06:58:30,390 --> 06:58:28,400
used to be into the greek gods when i

10975
06:58:31,990 --> 06:58:30,400
was younger i think you should um

10976
06:58:34,390 --> 06:58:32,000
probably add a little bit more about the

10977
06:58:39,910 --> 06:58:34,400
greek gods in your book and like this is

10978
06:58:43,430 --> 06:58:41,350
i mean that was a

10979
06:58:45,110 --> 06:58:43,440
that was a huge book when it came out

10980
06:58:46,628 --> 06:58:45,120
i don't know how people that that feels

10981
06:58:49,510 --> 06:58:46,638
like another thing that maybe went out

10982
06:58:53,190 --> 06:58:49,520
of style like jason that book but

10983
06:58:54,868 --> 06:58:53,200
and the movie the movie deserves to be

10984
06:58:57,830 --> 06:58:54,878
seen

10985
06:58:58,708 --> 06:58:57,840
well

10986
06:59:02,708 --> 06:58:58,718
and then

10987
06:59:04,548 --> 06:59:02,718
like right off the [\h__\h] cliff if we

10988
06:59:06,948 --> 06:59:04,558
wanted to you know like it's too bad

10989
06:59:07,750 --> 06:59:06,958
that that steward peace out on the call

10990
06:59:10,150 --> 06:59:07,760
because

10991
06:59:11,510 --> 06:59:10,160
you know there's also the idea of

10992
06:59:14,070 --> 06:59:11,520
you know when

10993
06:59:18,788 --> 06:59:14,080
when people meditate when people

10994
06:59:23,750 --> 06:59:21,030
like who do you

10995
06:59:26,468 --> 06:59:23,760
look up to as an archetype you know

10996
06:59:28,628 --> 06:59:26,478
there are ways that that people can use

10997
06:59:30,628 --> 06:59:28,638
their subconscious that they could use

10998
06:59:33,350 --> 06:59:30,638
their imaginal that could use a

10999
06:59:36,070 --> 06:59:33,360
meditative framework to try to bring in

11000
06:59:38,070 --> 06:59:36,080
these kind of archetypal constructs and

11001
06:59:41,590 --> 06:59:38,080
people use them

11002
06:59:42,788 --> 06:59:41,600
and and in very useful ways

11003
06:59:44,708 --> 06:59:42,798
to help

11004
06:59:46,150 --> 06:59:44,718
even just protect themselves in

11005
06:59:47,350 --> 06:59:46,160
situations where they might be

11006
06:59:49,430 --> 06:59:47,360
encountering something like a

11007
06:59:52,628 --> 06:59:49,440
poltergeist or what or

11008
06:59:55,030 --> 06:59:52,638
or like other like strange seemingly

11009
06:59:56,868 --> 06:59:55,040
interdimensional entities

11010
06:59:59,670 --> 06:59:56,878
and you know this and it's an

11011
07:00:00,468 --> 06:59:59,680
inconvenient truth but it goes back for

11012
07:00:02,548 --> 07:00:00,478
for

11013
07:00:03,590 --> 07:00:02,558
thousands of years you know

11014
07:00:06,230 --> 07:00:03,600
it's like

11015
07:00:08,310 --> 07:00:06,240
why is it the case that people can can

11016
07:00:09,750 --> 07:00:08,320
bring up the idea of jesus christ or

11017
07:00:12,708 --> 07:00:09,760
something like that without even

11018
07:00:15,270 --> 07:00:12,718
necessarily believing in jesus christ

11019
07:00:18,150 --> 07:00:15,280
right in these kinds of situations but

11020
07:00:20,708 --> 07:00:18,160
it's true you know it's like you know if

11021
07:00:22,390 --> 07:00:20,718
you have an exorcism in in the offing

11022
07:00:25,110 --> 07:00:22,400
like you can you can run towards these

11023
07:00:27,350 --> 07:00:25,120
kinds of situations and so in that in

11024
07:00:29,110 --> 07:00:27,360
that way then then looking towards the

11025
07:00:31,110 --> 07:00:29,120
greek gods or looking into these other

11026
07:00:33,510 --> 07:00:31,120
archetypes can be helpful in terms of

11027
07:00:35,270 --> 07:00:33,520
like how do you frame things when you're

11028
07:00:37,670 --> 07:00:35,280
trying to

11029
07:00:39,270 --> 07:00:37,680
orient yourself within regards to the

11030
07:00:40,708 --> 07:00:39,280
phenomena

11031
07:00:41,750 --> 07:00:40,718
absolutely

11032
07:00:44,790 --> 07:00:41,760
yeah

11033
07:00:50,788 --> 07:00:44,800
i'm i'm like totally

11034
07:00:54,628 --> 07:00:53,110
this was so wonderful i just thank you

11035
07:00:57,430 --> 07:00:54,638
so much for putting this all together

11036
07:01:00,070 --> 07:00:57,440
sean and jay and christopher and lovely

11037
07:01:01,350 --> 07:01:00,080
to see you as as you know vinnie um but

11038
07:01:03,270 --> 07:01:01,360
this was right i'm glad you're here and

11039
07:01:05,190 --> 07:01:03,280
i'm glad you brought up uh the angel

11040
07:01:07,110 --> 07:01:05,200
here that was so cool

11041
07:01:08,150 --> 07:01:07,120
well you're my angel hair angel my

11042
07:01:12,070 --> 07:01:08,160
friend

11043
07:01:16,150 --> 07:01:13,590
great

11044
07:01:19,110 --> 07:01:16,160
thank you so much and um

11045
07:01:19,910 --> 07:01:19,120
take care oh thank you lovely meeting

11046
07:01:24,468 --> 07:01:19,920
you

11047
07:01:25,750 --> 07:01:24,478
oh amazing

11048
07:01:27,910 --> 07:01:25,760
so when we're gonna get the drinks out

11049
07:01:29,430 --> 07:01:27,920
anyway guys i can give i can give a

11050
07:01:30,868 --> 07:01:29,440
little uh

11051
07:01:33,270 --> 07:01:30,878
i'm gonna i'm gonna go because i'm

11052
07:01:35,750 --> 07:01:33,280
absolutely shattered i'll give a little

11053
07:01:42,948 --> 07:01:35,760
little uh heads up for something i've

11054
07:01:45,990 --> 07:01:44,390
um so

11055
07:01:47,750 --> 07:01:46,000
i wanted everyone

11056
07:01:49,430 --> 07:01:47,760
to kind of know i've got i've got a

11057
07:01:51,670 --> 07:01:49,440
friend who i've been talking to for a

11058
07:01:54,230 --> 07:01:51,680
very long time i'm gonna go and see i'm

11059
07:01:56,070 --> 07:01:54,240
gonna go and hang out with soon in

11060
07:01:59,030 --> 07:01:56,080
colombia

11061
07:02:04,070 --> 07:02:01,110
this is my friend what's your friend's

11062
07:02:06,230 --> 07:02:04,080
name so my friend's name is ashley cowie

11063
07:02:09,190 --> 07:02:06,240
ashley is a scottish explorer he's a

11064
07:02:11,590 --> 07:02:09,200
filmmaker television presenter

11065
07:02:14,230 --> 07:02:11,600
writer he currently lives in colombia

11066
07:02:16,708 --> 07:02:14,240
currently features with josh gates on

11067
07:02:19,350 --> 07:02:16,718
expedition unknown

11068
07:02:22,150 --> 07:02:19,360
so i am having actually

11069
07:02:25,510 --> 07:02:22,160
on on my channel this tuesday for a kind

11070
07:02:27,350 --> 07:02:25,520
of little christmas special and on that

11071
07:02:29,270 --> 07:02:27,360
on on this upcoming

11072
07:02:30,708 --> 07:02:29,280
show we're going to reveal something

11073
07:02:32,230 --> 07:02:30,718
else

11074
07:02:33,110 --> 07:02:32,240
oh you said you're going to reveal it

11075
07:02:35,990 --> 07:02:33,120
tonight

11076
07:02:37,350 --> 07:02:36,000
i got a double double reveal ah

11077
07:02:38,788 --> 07:02:37,360
do you know what i'm gonna do though i'm

11078
07:02:40,468 --> 07:02:38,798
doing this because i'm gonna sign off

11079
07:02:42,070 --> 07:02:40,478
for a few days for christmas because man

11080
07:02:44,070 --> 07:02:42,080
i need a break

11081
07:02:46,468 --> 07:02:44,080
yeah me too after this yeah everybody

11082
07:02:49,990 --> 07:02:46,478
does because listen guys you know i've

11083
07:02:52,468 --> 07:02:50,000
been it's 2 30 a.m here you know and

11084
07:02:56,468 --> 07:02:52,478
that's when the secrets come out bro

11085
07:03:00,390 --> 07:02:58,230
dude

11086
07:03:01,590 --> 07:03:00,400
what more do you want from me you gotta

11087
07:03:03,750 --> 07:03:01,600
do it now

11088
07:03:05,990 --> 07:03:03,760
i got you adam goldsack i got you lou

11089
07:03:07,990 --> 07:03:06,000
elizondo i got statements galore coming

11090
07:03:09,830 --> 07:03:08,000
out your ears tonight man

11091
07:03:13,190 --> 07:03:09,840
i did my part

11092
07:03:15,430 --> 07:03:13,200
you did awesome i'm so thank you

11093
07:03:17,430 --> 07:03:15,440
for what you did absolutely i'm kidding

11094
07:03:19,990 --> 07:03:17,440
man i love you guys and i'm so happy to

11095
07:03:21,270 --> 07:03:20,000
be a part of this man so yeah yeah thank

11096
07:03:24,310 --> 07:03:21,280
you brother

11097
07:03:26,868 --> 07:03:24,320
this is amazing stuff that's amazing

11098
07:03:29,030 --> 07:03:26,878
memorable day that's for sure absolutely

11099
07:03:31,670 --> 07:03:29,040
man yeah absolutely incredible who'da

11100
07:03:33,030 --> 07:03:31,680
thought we'd have been here tonight

11101
07:03:35,990 --> 07:03:33,040
doing this

11102
07:03:38,548 --> 07:03:36,000
you know like come on man this is crazy

11103
07:03:39,990 --> 07:03:38,558
yeah it sure is it's beautiful

11104
07:03:41,430 --> 07:03:40,000
and what's the next year going to be

11105
07:03:51,270 --> 07:03:41,440
like you know

11106
07:03:54,310 --> 07:03:52,788
don't worry about reading the news or

11107
07:03:55,830 --> 07:03:54,320
going on twitter just read my article

11108
07:03:58,310 --> 07:03:55,840
and then just relax and ask me you

11109
07:04:00,468 --> 07:03:58,320
already know what's going on now

11110
07:04:02,150 --> 07:04:00,478
you're listening

11111
07:04:04,468 --> 07:04:02,160
chris lives in a time walk he's like a

11112
07:04:06,548 --> 07:04:04,478
day ahead of all of us man he's like

11113
07:04:08,948 --> 07:04:06,558
boom and it's not just an article it's

11114
07:04:10,548 --> 07:04:08,958
like an in-depth article so chris kudos

11115
07:04:14,150 --> 07:04:10,558
to you my brother you know i love you

11116
07:04:18,150 --> 07:04:14,160
man they like

11117
07:04:20,150 --> 07:04:18,160
all right incredibly gorgeous well um

11118
07:04:21,590 --> 07:04:20,160
i guess i'm just going to kick you out

11119
07:04:23,270 --> 07:04:21,600
one by one

11120
07:04:24,788 --> 07:04:23,280
and see if any

11121
07:04:26,468 --> 07:04:24,798
i want to say goodbye to the chat

11122
07:04:28,150 --> 07:04:26,478
because the chat has been live tonight

11123
07:04:29,590 --> 07:04:28,160
and i love all these guys as well

11124
07:04:31,670 --> 07:04:29,600
because they've been

11125
07:04:33,830 --> 07:04:31,680
dedicated to the course also i love you

11126
07:04:36,230 --> 07:04:33,840
guys but the chat as well love you guys

11127
07:04:37,510 --> 07:04:36,240
too thank you

11128
07:04:39,750 --> 07:04:37,520
thank you vinnie look at all these

11129
07:04:41,510 --> 07:04:39,760
wonderful people in the chat water lily

11130
07:04:43,190 --> 07:04:41,520
like people that i know just off the top

11131
07:04:45,910 --> 07:04:43,200
of my head there's so many giorgio

11132
07:04:48,230 --> 07:04:45,920
piocenza bob marley showed up great

11133
07:04:49,990 --> 07:04:48,240
great great guy yeah bob the ghost of

11134
07:04:51,350 --> 07:04:50,000
bob marley showed up

11135
07:04:53,910 --> 07:04:51,360
you know uh

11136
07:04:56,310 --> 07:04:53,920
kate chessey there's so many people in

11137
07:04:58,468 --> 07:04:56,320
the chat that i i'm so happy to see i

11138
07:04:59,750 --> 07:04:58,478
got someone said can you re re-read the

11139
07:05:03,110 --> 07:04:59,760
loot text

11140
07:05:04,868 --> 07:05:03,120
uh join me to reread luke

11141
07:05:07,750 --> 07:05:04,878
no then you gotta watch it again you

11142
07:05:09,670 --> 07:05:07,760
know you gotta you could you know but

11143
07:05:10,548 --> 07:05:09,680
you have to do lose voice if you did it

11144
07:05:13,990 --> 07:05:10,558
again

11145
07:05:15,750 --> 07:05:14,000
let me let me give a shout out to

11146
07:05:18,868 --> 07:05:15,760
my folks that are here with me just

11147
07:05:21,270 --> 07:05:18,878
about every day and if you're here now

11148
07:05:22,708 --> 07:05:21,280
please subscribe hit the like button all

11149
07:05:25,030 --> 07:05:22,718
that kind of stuff

11150
07:05:25,910 --> 07:05:25,040
um i don't get paid but that stuff feels

11151
07:05:27,670 --> 07:05:25,920
good

11152
07:05:28,868 --> 07:05:27,680
um when

11153
07:05:31,110 --> 07:05:28,878
you know

11154
07:05:33,110 --> 07:05:31,120
the one this moment is really special

11155
07:05:35,830 --> 07:05:33,120
when when i can share it with everybody

11156
07:05:38,310 --> 07:05:35,840
who is like really here with me

11157
07:05:41,430 --> 07:05:38,320
um you know on the monday shows the

11158
07:05:43,510 --> 07:05:41,440
tuesday shows like lara you know

11159
07:05:46,868 --> 07:05:43,520
uh k42d

11160
07:05:48,628 --> 07:05:46,878
um and taylor um

11161
07:05:50,468 --> 07:05:48,638
and i'll probably miss some robert

11162
07:05:52,628 --> 07:05:50,478
cofort i want to give a shout out to

11163
07:05:54,150 --> 07:05:52,638
robert cowford robert cofort has has

11164
07:05:56,948 --> 07:05:54,160
become a good friend and he has helped

11165
07:05:59,030 --> 07:05:56,958
me so much with my research and you know

11166
07:06:00,948 --> 07:05:59,040
what to make of what and he's really

11167
07:06:04,230 --> 07:06:00,958
been a guide to me through a lot of this

11168
07:06:07,670 --> 07:06:04,240
stuff diesel girl toby am my subscriber

11169
07:06:09,350 --> 07:06:07,680
dope knows um

11170
07:06:11,190 --> 07:06:09,360
grand master you've been kind of

11171
07:06:13,830 --> 07:06:11,200
slacking on coming but i still

11172
07:06:15,030 --> 07:06:13,840
appreciate you

11173
07:06:15,910 --> 07:06:15,040
um

11174
07:06:17,430 --> 07:06:15,920
and

11175
07:06:19,110 --> 07:06:17,440
you know i'm probably missing other

11176
07:06:22,548 --> 07:06:19,120
people but that's just because i'm tired

11177
07:06:24,390 --> 07:06:22,558
og skywatch um definitely benji

11178
07:06:25,910 --> 07:06:24,400
um edmundstar

11179
07:06:27,270 --> 07:06:25,920
pontificator

11180
07:06:29,910 --> 07:06:27,280
um

11181
07:06:32,310 --> 07:06:29,920
i'm scrolling do these as fast as i can

11182
07:06:35,670 --> 07:06:32,320
disclosure team thank you

11183
07:06:39,990 --> 07:06:37,590
and there's more but you know those are

11184
07:06:41,350 --> 07:06:40,000
the latest comments that i could tell so

11185
07:06:43,670 --> 07:06:41,360
um

11186
07:06:45,670 --> 07:06:43,680
and yeah and thanks christopher sharp i

11187
07:06:48,548 --> 07:06:45,680
met you during the first big home phone

11188
07:06:50,230 --> 07:06:48,558
home and we hit it off because

11189
07:06:51,510 --> 07:06:50,240
um you were taking care of business and

11190
07:06:52,548 --> 07:06:51,520
you could tell that i took care of

11191
07:06:53,510 --> 07:06:52,558
business

11192
07:06:55,910 --> 07:06:53,520
and

11193
07:06:56,868 --> 07:06:55,920
we really got along ever since then

11194
07:06:58,310 --> 07:06:56,878
um

11195
07:07:07,750 --> 07:06:58,320
yeah and vinnie

11196
07:07:11,110 --> 07:07:09,830
no but you've been great i've

11197
07:07:12,468 --> 07:07:11,120
enjoyed

11198
07:07:14,868 --> 07:07:12,478
every experience i've had with the

11199
07:07:17,510 --> 07:07:14,878
anonymous uh always

11200
07:07:19,190 --> 07:07:17,520
always and and doing what we do together

11201
07:07:20,868 --> 07:07:19,200
so and i really appreciate you having my

11202
07:07:23,030 --> 07:07:20,878
back on this and helping promote and

11203
07:07:25,510 --> 07:07:23,040
being here for the long haul and getting

11204
07:07:27,750 --> 07:07:25,520
the loo message which was super touching

11205
07:07:29,910 --> 07:07:27,760
uh and andres i mean this wouldn't have

11206
07:07:33,990 --> 07:07:29,920
been complete without his his uh

11207
07:07:35,510 --> 07:07:34,000
statement um both so so powerful uh what

11208
07:07:37,750 --> 07:07:35,520
an amazing night

11209
07:07:39,430 --> 07:07:37,760
and jay like i was i was said in the

11210
07:07:42,390 --> 07:07:39,440
chat when i wasn't here but if it wasn't

11211
07:07:45,830 --> 07:07:42,400
for the ralph blumenthal uh article

11212
07:07:48,548 --> 07:07:45,840
you know that he wrote um

11213
07:07:50,628 --> 07:07:48,558
i wouldn't have met you you know i

11214
07:07:52,548 --> 07:07:50,638
probably wouldn't be here right now and

11215
07:07:55,670 --> 07:07:52,558
you become one of my better friends you

11216
07:07:57,110 --> 07:07:55,680
know and you're your co-host with me now

11217
07:07:59,270 --> 07:07:57,120
and i feel like

11218
07:08:01,990 --> 07:07:59,280
you're just like i vibe with you so well

11219
07:08:03,750 --> 07:08:02,000
and i'm so happy that i met you um the

11220
07:08:05,830 --> 07:08:03,760
experiencer group and and the

11221
07:08:08,390 --> 07:08:05,840
experiences we'll share in the future

11222
07:08:11,990 --> 07:08:08,400
and it's just so um amazing that ralph

11223
07:08:13,510 --> 07:08:12,000
was here um and you know just without

11224
07:08:15,510 --> 07:08:13,520
that i wouldn't imagine and i'm so

11225
07:08:16,868 --> 07:08:15,520
thankful for that and you being a good

11226
07:08:19,270 --> 07:08:16,878
friend too so

11227
07:08:21,830 --> 07:08:19,280
it's amazing it's absolutely amazing

11228
07:08:23,110 --> 07:08:21,840
same thing and you know like it's it's

11229
07:08:25,110 --> 07:08:23,120
incredible to see this kind of

11230
07:08:28,390 --> 07:08:25,120
continuity within the community having

11231
07:08:30,868 --> 07:08:28,400
people like ralph and ross and stephen

11232
07:08:33,910 --> 07:08:30,878
and and linda thompson and people that

11233
07:08:34,948 --> 07:08:33,920
have been in this in this whole in this

11234
07:08:37,190 --> 07:08:34,958
whole

11235
07:08:38,708 --> 07:08:37,200
area for decades

11236
07:08:40,468 --> 07:08:38,718
and them

11237
07:08:43,110 --> 07:08:40,478
giving us their time

11238
07:08:45,750 --> 07:08:43,120
and us being able to learn from them is

11239
07:08:48,150 --> 07:08:45,760
so extraordinarily important so yeah

11240
07:08:50,548 --> 07:08:48,160
this has been an absolutely amazing day

11241
07:08:52,868 --> 07:08:50,558
and i think that it points towards a

11242
07:08:55,030 --> 07:08:52,878
great future in the next year and the

11243
07:08:58,390 --> 07:08:55,040
years to come yeah

11244
07:09:01,350 --> 07:08:58,400
with that with that being said everybody

11245
07:09:03,670 --> 07:09:01,360
you all have a great night okay

11246
07:09:05,270 --> 07:09:03,680
absolutely take care everyone lovely

11247
07:09:07,750 --> 07:09:05,280
well what a great effort every one of

11248
07:09:09,430 --> 07:09:07,760
you guys just brilliant stuff guys thank

11249
07:09:12,468 --> 07:09:09,440
you so much for having me on

11250
07:09:12,478 --> 07:09:17,990
see you soon

11251
07:09:25,830 --> 07:09:21,190
oh don't do that love you guys peace out

11252
07:09:25,840 --> 07:09:36,390
and we're done

11253
07:09:36,400 --> 07:09:40,708
okay well that was fun

11254
07:09:45,990 --> 07:09:42,948
that was super fun thank you everybody

11255
07:09:47,590 --> 07:09:46,000
uh for hanging out and watching um

11256
07:09:49,030 --> 07:09:47,600
you know just be good to each other

11257
07:09:51,510 --> 07:09:49,040
that's all i got to say

11258
07:09:53,430 --> 07:09:51,520
here is my song i played earlier

11259
07:09:56,628 --> 07:09:53,440
someone wanted me to make a uap song so

11260
07:10:00,350 --> 07:09:56,638
i did so hope you like it

11261
07:10:02,600 --> 07:10:02,270
[Music]

11262
07:10:11,760 --> 07:10:02,610
[Laughter]

11263
07:10:13,040 --> 07:10:11,770
[Music]

11264
07:10:22,628 --> 07:10:13,050
[Laughter]

11265
07:10:25,090 --> 07:10:22,638
[Music]

11266
07:10:27,750 --> 07:10:25,100
even with the western winds

11267
07:10:29,430 --> 07:10:27,760
[Music]

11268
07:10:33,830 --> 07:10:29,440
taking me away

11269
07:10:45,980 --> 07:10:36,548
don't need a telescope to see

11270
07:10:51,190 --> 07:10:48,468
[Music]

11271
07:10:53,590 --> 07:10:51,200
and this is for all the voices

11272
07:11:00,170 --> 07:10:53,600
[Music]

11273
07:11:14,788 --> 07:11:04,240
[Laughter]

11274
07:11:19,190 --> 07:11:14,798
[Music]

11275
07:11:20,788 --> 07:11:19,200
all roads lead to a sudden departure

11276
07:11:24,230 --> 07:11:20,798
although

11277
07:11:31,290 --> 07:11:24,240
when we bleed we go farther

11278
07:11:31,300 --> 07:11:40,310
[Music]

11279
07:11:45,990 --> 07:11:41,730
unidentified

11280
07:11:50,390 --> 07:11:49,080
meaning is blurry as it gets attention

11281
07:11:58,548 --> 07:11:50,400
[Music]

11282
07:12:01,190 --> 07:11:58,558
up in my room with documents in my

11283
07:12:06,190 --> 07:12:03,510
gotta go the distance or you'll end up

11284
07:12:08,230 --> 07:12:06,200
with torture

11285
07:12:10,548 --> 07:12:08,240
[Music]

11286
07:12:13,510 --> 07:12:10,558
positive in nature

11287
07:12:17,030 --> 07:12:13,520
but harmful making me safer

11288
07:12:17,040 --> 07:12:21,910
don't get it started long ago

11289
07:12:25,750 --> 07:12:24,540
many eyes on the sky

11290
07:12:38,070 --> 07:12:25,760
[Music]

11291
07:12:42,390 --> 07:12:40,070
told we bleed

11292
07:12:45,030 --> 07:12:42,400
your fire

11293
07:12:49,628 --> 07:12:45,040
but it takes enough heart

11294
07:12:49,638 --> 07:12:54,660
bother you

11295
07:12:54,670 --> 07:13:18,310
[Music]

11296
07:13:25,590 --> 07:13:20,750
these noises

11297
07:13:29,030 --> 07:13:25,600
[Music]

11298
07:13:29,040 --> 07:13:34,220
couldn't hear these noises